new fentynal patch

[mephist00]

well, someone i know gets these..

anyways they picked them up today, and they were different then before..
they are not the gel ones, and they arent the newer gel free ones..

its got a piece of foil on it.. or some metal looking material... anyone ever see these? its teh same size as older ones

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Sandoz brand is what I am guessing. They have gel like the Duragesic, and most people enjoy them just as much as them.

[mephist00]

you think they are safe to chew? kinda feelin weird about the metal material

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Can you take that metal piece off and scrape the gel onto something that you CAN chew? As far as I know, if they are the Sandoz that is, they are perfectly fine to chew. Same as the old Duragesic's.

[mephist00]

well, they are made by TEVA USA..

that metal material part doesnt come off easy..

but my friend popped one.. the metal material came off in his mouth.. nothing bad so maybe its not a metal, kinda disitegrated in his mouth.. these patches are chewy, and strechy, like rubbery bubble gum :P

says its working, and it doesnt taste the same, tastes alot better then older fentynal

[Feelings Of U4ia]

UGH Teva? Teva is the horrible company that started making the shitty Oxy's that gelled up. Hopefully they aren't fucking up the patches now too. There isn't too much information about them on the internet, it seems like they just got approved for distribution. If they have the gel, I would assume it's the same as the Duragesic, but assuming is not always the best option, haha.

Let us know how it goes, and if you can, get a couple pictures of these on here for us.

[mephist00]

well its not the gel, package says Generic for DURAGESIC.. and yea i didnt find anything about these on the net either

anyways, we got the 'foil' looking material off.. it just took some careful peeling.. doesnt seem to be metal.. now that we have separated those materials, im chewing it now, tastes like the non-gel patches, its strechy and gummy.. i can strech this half a patch almost like 2 feet lol

yea man ill get some pics up tomorrow, im not at my house/PC and dont have a decent cam.. but to give you a visual on it.. they look like the non-gel patches, same size and shape.. different color, and that foil is on it..

i guess its nice tho.. the person i know who gets these has trouble seeing.. and she always complained about the older ones, how she could never see them because they were almost perfectly clear.. she can see these ones great, so she likes them better..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^So is there actually gel in them? Your post makes it sound like there isn't at first, but then at the end it makes it sound like it does have gel. I am confused, lol.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^If there is no gel, it's most likely the same type of matrix that the Mylan company used....it was designed so it couldn't be abused. No matter how you take it...i.e. put it on skin, chew it, etc. it doesn't release the Fentanyl any faster because of the matrix delivery system they implemented into them. Mylans suck because of this, and Duragesics are amazing. Since Teva was the brand that fucked the OC's up, they probably have the same type of anti-abuse system that the Mylan ones do.

I just came across some Fentanyl lollipops, the 800mcg, I will be getting 4 tomorrow. So excited!

[mephist00]

sorry i didnt mean to make it sound like it had gel..
No Gel, just a flat patch like the regular gel-less ones

but, i can chew them and get effects, so i dont think the anti-abuse system is working lol

WTF 800mcg!! lollipops!! awww i want some :( damn man be careful, i know u always are but thats alot :)

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Nah it's not too much...that isn't even the strongest dose, they come in 600, 800, and 1200.

They are yummy. You know I will be careful. :)

I'm very experienced with Fentanyl. I actually was into Fentanyl before Oxycodone.

[mephist00]

cool :)

yea sorry to confuse you on this subject. this is a solid gel.. just when you first have the patch, it doesnt appear to be any gel substance..

but once you get the foil off.. it is a solid type gel, you have to carefully peel it from the foil, kinda scratch it off.. it doesnt bind back together very well.. im chewing on about 50mcg piece right now, i dont like it.. feels weird in my mouth.. feels like ive been chewing on a gummy bear for 3 hours and it wont break down... lol, i like the other non gel ones.

ill get some good pics tomorrow of all its forms

[orison319]

I believe you can free the fentynal from the base with a chloroform methanol sol, Its stripped from the plastics, the plastics sink in the sol. Fen stays suspended?
plz dont quote me on it.. :)

[mephist00]

lol sup orison, but no, im not messin with chloroform unless im in a lab ;) dangerous stuff! plus, the only plastic on this patch is the safety plastic. thats removed before you put it on your body/in your mouth. ill get some good pics tomorrow of the whole process on this specific patch..

but i would like to know how to make the lollipops.. are they prescription or do people make them?

this stuff is tasteless.. this new patch has its ups and downs i guess..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^Also, you say that 800mcg is a lot? You are taking a patch that is intended to last 3 days. You are taking a 50mcg piece, but remember that is supposed to be released at 50mcg per hour, if I am not mistaken?

So wouldn't that be like taking 3600mcg at once if my basic math is correct?

[orison319]

lol sup orison, but no, im not messin with chloroform unless im in a lab ;) dangerous stuff!
oh, um, Id take a tanker truck full of chloroform over lifetimes worth of patches.. but thats just me.. http://www.scuba2000.com/forum/images/smilies/chairfall.gif

[mephist00]

well, hell yea 800mcg would be alot for me..
one 100mcg patch lasts me a few days even though i chew on it..

so yea 800mcg is alot compared to what i get and actually do.. :)

this 50mcg piece im chewing on, chewed it for like an hour.. took a break.. so on.. thats how i get down with the fentanyl.. but idk, this new patch is not working right..

i only use this stuff when im out of oxy.. but im gonna be starting methadone tomorrow so i might be quiting oxy for a few months.. just save the pills i dont use and have a nice stash for when my tolerence go's down.

but yea i dont think this fentanyl is working!! been chewing this stuff, but im not where i should be from a half a patch.. i did 80mg's of OC throughout the day, but i should be dazing from this much fentanyl.
i dont think this stuff is working when you chew it.. im not sure, i have a feeling that the metal looking material on the patch is an activator of some sort..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

well, hell yea 800mcg would be alot for me..
one 100mcg patch lasts me a few days even though i chew on it..

so yea 800mcg is alot compared to what i get and actually do.. :)

this 50mcg piece im chewing on, chewed it for like an hour.. took a break.. so on.. thats how i get down with the fentanyl.. but idk, this new patch is not working right..

i only use this stuff when im out of oxy.. but im gonna be starting methadone tomorrow so i might be quiting oxy for a few months.. just save the pills i dont use and have a nice stash for when my tolerence go's down.

but yea i dont think this fentanyl is working!! been chewing this stuff, but im not where i should be from a half a patch.. i did 80mg's of OC throughout the day, but i should be dazing from this much fentanyl.
i dont think this stuff is working when you chew it.. im not sure, i have a feeling that the metal looking material on the patch is an activator of some sort..

When you chew on the patch, ALL of it is released, especially if you are chewing on it for an hour...so you are taking 3600mcg all at once.

That is how it works with the gel Duragesic ones, but like I said, the ones with no gel have this matrix that was made so that it doesn't release any faster even when chewing it.

But yeah dude, if you try that with a Duragesic, you will be taking 3600mcg ALL AT ONCE. More then 4 times the amount that I am taking....

That is why people chew on them..and after an hour of chewing, all of it has absorbed...it doesn't keep working after that. You can't chew on the same piece for 3 days, none of the gel is left and all of it is absorbed after you chew on it for about an hour.

This is how it works with the Duragesic, at least.

Yeah dude, you can't chew on it for 3 days, lol. Like I said, that is the point of cutting them open and chewing on them, you get all 72 hours at ONCE. So in your case, 3600mcg.

So you are LUCKY you don't have the actual patches that would have released 3600mcg all at once, because the way you are doing it, that is how it works. On top of 80mg of OC today? Dude be careful man, and thank god that you didn't get the real gel patches. If you ever do, don't try and eat half a patch and think it lasts for 3 days as if you put it on you, it's ALL RELEASED AT ONCE.

[mephist00]

i know what ur talkin about man, and i know my opiates, im careful, and i have a high tolerance.. :P thats why im gonna be doin methadone tomorrow, need to lower my opiate tolerance man.. when i have em, i can do 6 80mg oxy's a day, easy, without gettin sick.. thats to high of a tolerance for me.. i need to be at 1-2 80mg oxy a day, max..

we use to get the gel ones, i know what ur talkin about, i only took that fentanyl once, with a little gel from one.. and i didnt like it, tasted horrible, and made me sick as fuck lol, i didnt take alot, but my opiate tolerence wasnt that high at the time..

the ones we were just getting before this new one, i chew on.. the clear plastic looking ones..? they def release faster when you chew on them.. they still last for a while, not 72 hours of chewing though, no way.. like i said i dont chew on it all day.. i chew on it for maybe 2-4 hours in a day

i know ur gonna tell me ehhe, but i swear chewin these release faster then when they are on your body, pretty sure we are talkin about the same patch here.. its not the gel one hehe, dont worry id never chew a whole one of those :P

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^Yeah, I know which ones you are talking about. I got one a while back and was pissed when I found out it wasn't a Duragesic. Turns out that is why he still had so many lying around. I researched about them, and the basic consensus was that they suck.

It was a 75mcg patch...and my gf who has hardly an opiate tolerance whatsoever didn't feel a thing after chewing half of the patch for over 5 hours. 3 hours after that, she chewed the rest, and barely got a slight buzz.

I tried one with the same effects.

Glad you can get an effect from them though...it seemed like 90% of people I talked to hated them, and 10% said they were okay, but not as good as the original gel ones. 100% of the people I talked to said they worked just as good when they stuck it on their body, and it lasted a lot longer obviously, since you can't chew on a patch for 3 days, haha.

Yeah I was referring to the gel ones...you can't like reuse those ones. But the whole purpose of eating the patch is to get ALL 72 hours at once, which is why most people hate the Mylan ones, because that obviously doesn't happen.

[mephist00]

Yea man the gel ones are too hardcore, even for me, i have higher tolerance then most people i know, except you lol..
I dont really hate those patches, they work great :) however they do taste terrible, and the release is too FAST, it was hard to control a prime dose from those patches, well at least when i was at that lower tolerance.

but the plastic ones, yea man i swear they release faster when you chew them.. the lady i get them from has cancer, so she is in pain alot and she knows how it is.. but she usually chews on one for fast release, and leaves a patch on her body.. thats where i first got fentanyl, and shes the one who told me to chew it, either way i guess it works, but chewing on this doesnt last 72 hours..
sorry man this is kinda confusing lol, bunch of different kinds of fentanyl, all with pretty unique features.

im being told right now that we can still get the mylan gel patches at wal-mart lol, but i dont know for sure..

[Guitar]

I would love to smoke fentanyl gel, that sounds like an awesome high although dangerous. I've gotten the patches only a couple times, the first was the durestic ( dont know how its spelled) which fucked me up hardcore after rubbing a little bit on my gums. The next time I got a mylan patch 100mcg an hour, so like 10 mgs of fentanyl, and I did the same thing, rubbed a little on my cheeks and gums, which did work but not as much. I've also gotten the lollipops before, 800 mcg and 1600 mcg. One time I did an 80 and a 1600 mcg lollipop for some stupid reason. Threw up all night and couldnt move out of bed. Felt so amazing though.

[mephist00]

well i guess i cant get a picture of these..
the lady complained too the pharmacist, and he said its the 3rd complaint they have had in 2 days on these specific fentanyl patches. So she was re-prescribed the other plastic, duragesic fentanyl patches..

doesnt really matter anyways, because the ones im mentioning in this thread suck ass.

[Guitar]

did she get to keep both boxes on fent? if so thats awesome.

[mephist00]

naw she had to bring the new fent back to the doctor i think, either that the pharmacist..

either way, the new patches suck.. it has a solid gel that doesnt activate unless it has the backing on it... so you cant chew on these new patches, i chewed one for 5 hours and nothing, so its a new Anti-Abuse feature.. we got the old ones back, put one in my mouth, a few hours later i was about to puke :P

[Guitar]

you mean the new ones, as in the new generic patches, or the new box she got of the durastics? so your saying the generics didnt fuck you up?

[TooCrisp]

Can anyone explain what a patch is like? How does it compare to blowing oxy?

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^Fentanyl is a completely different high, and MUCH more powerful. Less euphoric, more sedating, IMO.

Anyways, I just took two 800mcg lollipops, and barely feel anything. I hate tolerance...and this is the first time I have done Fentanyl in over 2 years.

[mephist00]

you mean the new ones, as in the new generic patches, or the new box she got of the durastics? so your saying the generics didnt fuck you up?

yea the new generic brand, is a solid type gel, the back silver foil part must be a release for the fent, cuz i chewed on the gel for hours, and got nothing.. the solid gel is a new anti-abuse feature from that company.

i put 2 pieces on me from one patch and i got fucked up though, so im pretty sure its an anti-abuse feature.

anyways, the ones she is getting now, and was getting before.. are the Mylan brand.. (i think its mylan) they work great when you chew em ;)

and yea fent is strong, one patch lasts alot longer then oxy, and is alot stronger then oxy.. but u4ia is right, its simply more sedating then euphoric.. but still good in my opinion.. definitely fixes an opiate crave.

[Poppy Planter]

^If there is no gel, it's most likely the same type of matrix that the Mylan company used....it was designed so it couldn't be abused. No matter how you take it...i.e. put it on skin, chew it, etc. it doesn't release the Fentanyl any faster because of the matrix delivery system they implemented into them. Mylans suck because of this, and Duragesics are amazing. Since Teva was the brand that fucked the OC's up, they probably have the same type of anti-abuse system that the Mylan ones do.

I just came across some Fentanyl lollipops, the 800mcg, I will be getting 4 tomorrow. So excited!

Fuck that Mylan is the best fentanyl company because the gel tastes like absolute shit and I dont feel they are as strong. Plus I love how you can cut the mylan patches into 5 strips, stack them, suran wrap them and easily smuggle them on airplanes!!!! Best Key Bisquene vacation ever, LOL! I also think the mylan's taste good , I actually enjoy the taste whereas the alchohol content in the duragesic patches is so gross. I would pay an extra 10-15 bucks for Mylan over any duragesic brand. I don't beleive in the matrix shit because when you put them in your mouth the saliva makes it absorb really fast, I know this because I have tried wearing the patches, both kinds and I have tried eating both kinds. Eating them GREATLY intensifies effects. The one positive about the duragesic is you can cut a bunch of slits in it, drop it in some hawaiin punch and shake it up, let it steep for a few hours and you got some serious gangsta lean punch! PS : DO NOT FOLLOW MY DOSING INSTRUCTIONS AS FENTANYL IS THE MOST POWERFUL SYNTHETIC OPIATE ON THE PLANET! Or so I've read, although I bet an anethiesiolgist might disagree!

[Slingblade]

why do u keep bringing back old posts?