pissed (Suboxone related)

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

I'm so pissed. I popped down 5 oxycodone 5 mgs and I had 6mg of Subxone about 55 hours ago.. and I'm feeling nothing. Usually 5 would make me feel really good... it's been an hour - and NOTHING. is this normal? God damnit, what a waste of money.. my dealer got fucked, so he sold me these for $4 a piece. Fucking A

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

Nothing. FUCK!!! So pissed. It's hard enough to find oxycodone where I live. WHY did the 6 mg of Sub make me feel NOTHING!? God fucking damnit im so dissapointed :(

[Morphoxycode1]

That sucks! Yeah, this stuff isn't cheap. I don't know much about suboxone, but there are a couple possibilities. The opiate in it could have been filling the spots on your opiate receptors so it blocked the oxy. Or, I've heard that subs have an opiate antagonist as well as opiate. That would block your receptors as well.

Is it possible you got fake pills? Still sucks to feel nothing when you expect a warm fuzzy.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

That sucks! Yeah, this stuff isn't cheap. I don't know much about suboxone, but there are a couple possibilities. The opiate in it could have been filling the spots on your opiate receptors so it blocked the oxy. Or, I've heard that subs have an opiate antagonist as well as opiate. That would block your receptors as well.

Is it possible you got fake pills? Still sucks to feel nothing when you expect a warm fuzzy.

Nah, my friend took them and he was feelin great. I know Suboxone is an opiate blocker, but still, after 55 or so hours, and only taking 6mg and it being my first time ever, I thought it'd be mostly worn off so I could feel the 5 i took at least MOSTLY, u know?

[weallhumalong]

if youre taking 6mg of suboxone you must have some sort of tolerance or else you'd be sick. ive had friends with no tolerance take 4mg and be puking well into the next day.. maybe the problem is that with this tolerance, 25mg of oxy isnt enough to do anything to you.

[SpENS93]

umm the subs block ur opiate receptors so u just wasted all the ocs i think? ssubs are supposed to prevent u from getting high when ur w/d someone correct me if im wrong...

[Feelings Of U4ia]

I think you are supposed to wait around 72 hours after sub to began taking opiates to get high, could be wrong though.

[weallhumalong]

i highly doubt that the sub blocked it after more than 2 days... i can get high after just 24 hours, granted its not as good as it could be but by 48 hours im pretty much back to normal

[BeanTwnJnky]

U4ia is correct subz last 72 hours not saying they are there and u wont get high for that long but they will still be presant in your receptors for 72 hours sometimes less depending on the person, i can get high after taking 2 n8's in a day the next day but i have to take like 3-4 80's at once when usually 2 will get me nice.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^Yeah. If you want the FULL effect, you need to wait around 72 hours from what I have gathered, and personal use. Not to mention that 25mg of Oxycodone is NOTHING. Why are you using Subs in the first place if 25mg of Oxycodone can get you high?

[Guitar]

If you only need 25 mgs to feel great, then theres no reason to use 6mg of subs, thats wayyy too much. I don't even understand why you would take that much, i only need 2mgs or less. I mean I dont know you but if it takes only 25 mgs to get high, then im sure you could quit without suboxone, unless if you werre taking it for recreational use. Also, I 'm suprised you didnt feel anything, i know 72 hours is where the sub is completely out but I can get high 24 hours later, but I only snort 2mgs a day.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

okay, so I just put about 10 mg of suboxone under my tongue to dissolve about 40 min. ago or so, and I still dont feel anything.. I havent done any suboxone (about 6mg) since monday.. when is it supposed to kick in? hmm

I felt very euphoric off just 6mg last time (my FIRST time) for hours.. so now that i've waited about 4 or 5 days, will it feel just as amazing, if not better now that i've taken about 10mg? I'm sitll waiting on the high.. hrm..

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

^Yeah. If you want the FULL effect, you need to wait around 72 hours from what I have gathered, and personal use. Not to mention that 25mg of Oxycodone is NOTHING. Why are you using Subs in the first place if 25mg of Oxycodone can get you high?

just using it for recreational use. It gives me the same kind of high Oxy does, so I figure eh why not? Im having a hard time finding oxys here.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

okay, so I just put about 10 mg of suboxone under my tongue to dissolve about 45 min. ago or so, and I still dont feel anything.. I havent done any suboxone (about 6mg) since monday.. when is it supposed to kick in? I felt very euphoric off just 6mg last time (my FIRST time), for hours.. so now that i've waited about 4 or 5 days, will it feel just as amazing, if not better now that i've taken about 10mg? I'm sitll waiting on the high.. hrm. Getting worried.. probably shouldnt be though.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

okay, so I just put about 10 mg of suboxone under my tongue to dissolve about 40 min. ago or so, and I still dont feel anything.. I havent done any suboxone (about 6mg) since monday.. when is it supposed to kick in? hmm

I felt very euphoric off just 6mg last time (my FIRST time) for hours.. so now that i've waited about 4 or 5 days, will it feel just as amazing, if not better now that i've taken about 10mg? I'm sitll waiting on the high.. hrm..

Dude what the fuck are you thinking? 10mg of Suboxone is fucking insane. That is more then someone who takes 400mg of Oxycodone and tries to quit cold turkey takes to stay well.

You really have no idea what you are fucking with. Suboxone doesn't give a high, it's not meant to, that is why it's the new "wonder" drug.

Whatever you do, stop taking SO much Suboxone. 10mg is WAY MORE THEN ENOUGH. If it DID give ANY sort of recreational high, and based on your tolerance to other opiates, you would get it at 2-4mg.

10mg of Suboxone...wtf.

What is it with people saying Subs get them high also?????

[Feelings Of U4ia]

You asked this question in another thread...there is no reason to make a seperate thread for it.

10mg of Suboxone is way too much to be taking...and Suboxone isn't even meant for recreational use.

You get high on 25mg of Oxycodone...and you are taking 10mg of Suboxone...what in the world is wrong with you people.

Just go find something else, Suboxone isn't recreational....save it for the people who REALLY need it.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

Dude what the fuck are you thinking? 10mg of Suboxone is fucking insane. That is more then someone who takes 400mg of Oxycodone and tries to quit cold turkey takes to stay well.

You really have no idea what you are fucking with. Suboxone doesn't give a high, it's not meant to, that is why it's the new "wonder" drug.

Whatever you do, stop taking SO much Suboxone. 10mg is WAY MORE THEN ENOUGH. If it DID give ANY sort of recreational high, and based on your tolerance to other opiates, you would get it at 2-4mg.

10mg of Suboxone...wtf.

What is it with people saying Subs get them high also?????

WTF are you flipping out for? They make me high.. 10mg is fine for me 6 was too, but this is better. I feel a nice high.. like taking 40 mg of Oxycodone or so. Really. I wouldn't lie. I'm a big guy.. i need more I guess? I'm 6'7'' and 230 lbs. I feel fine lol

I got 10 mg for $13

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

refer to my other post, man.

[Guitar]

Yea man 10mgs is wayy too much, a person with a raging heroin habit only needs 8mgs. Also, if you take suboxone a few hours after oxycodone , youll go into precipatated withdrawal which isnt fun. suboxone is extremely potent and powerful in a way.especially for people who have no tolerance. when i wasnt addicted, i tried subutex ( basically the same as suboxone but better) and i hated it. it felt nothing like oxy, just made me sick

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

strange, well, for me it was great. At no point did I ever feel like it was too much for me to handle. Felt like taking about 8 or 9 oxycodones. So, if I take 8 mg of it today, will I still feel it pretty good, even tho i just took about 10 mg last night? What's with people who say it doesn't get you high? uh, yeah, it muthfauckindoes lol

m

[salmon4me]

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[Guitar]

strange, well, for me it was great. At no point did I ever feel like it was too much for me to handle. Felt like taking about 8 or 9 oxycodones. So, if I take 8 mg of it today, will I still feel it pretty good, even tho i just took about 10 mg last night? What's with people who say it doesn't get you high? uh, yeah, it muthfauckindoes lol

m

i believe you man, i just find it strange. never heard anyone compare it to oxy like that. hey if it does the trick, go for it. i was just reccomending to take less, since what your taking is a very large amount for someone who isnt an addict. and to answer your question, 8 mgs today should def give you a nice buzz if 10 mgs did the trick, dont expect it to fuck you up as much though, might be a little less high than before. also if you take benzos i'd advise you not to take them with suboxone or take less of each substance, subs and benzos are more dangerous than oxy and benzos im pretty sure.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

I took 16 mg tonight. Feels great.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

^There is absolutely NO reason to take THAT much Suboxone, especially with your tolerance to other things.

You've almost doubled your dose in like a week, and your beginning dose was entirely too high to begin with. Good luck with how you are doing things.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

^There is absolutely NO reason to take THAT much Suboxone, especially with your tolerance to other things.

You've almost doubled your dose in like a week, and your beginning dose was entirely too high to begin with. Good luck with how you are doing things.

I took 16 mg three nights in a row and felt fine. I'm now 48 hours sober from taking any Suboxone and feel fine. I'm considering taking 30mg of hydrocodone tonight, but I'm not sure I will feel it good enough. As long as I feel half of what I normally would when I taken them, I'll be satisfied.. i know it won't be quite what it normally would be . what do you think?

[jo_k_er_man]

Dude what the fuck are you thinking? 10mg of Suboxone is fucking insane. That is more then someone who takes 400mg of Oxycodone and tries to quit cold turkey takes to stay well.

You really have no idea what you are fucking with. Suboxone doesn't give a high, it's not meant to, that is why it's the new "wonder" drug.

Whatever you do, stop taking SO much Suboxone. 10mg is WAY MORE THEN ENOUGH. If it DID give ANY sort of recreational high, and based on your tolerance to other opiates, you would get it at 2-4mg.

10mg of Suboxone...wtf.

What is it with people saying Subs get them high also?????

strictly placebo i would think.. this person is probably thinking.. hydrocodone.. oxycodone.. well suboxone must get you high as well..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

16mg of Subs...for someone who has a 25mg Oxycodone tolerance.

Now I have heard it all.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

strictly placebo i would think.. this person is probably thinking.. hydrocodone.. oxycodone.. well suboxone must get you high as well..

dude, it's not a placebo. Seriously.. I know the difference between all of these.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

16mg of Subs...for someone who has a 25mg Oxycodone tolerance.

Now I have heard it all.

Absolutely ridiculous.


How so?

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Because people with a 400mg Oxy tolerance take around 8-12mg to stop WD's. You don't even have anything close to wd's from that tolerance, and certainly don't need more Subs then someone with a tolerance 20 times yours.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

I didn't take it for withdrawls, I took them to get fucked up. I guess im just tough then? They didn't phase me as far as getting sick. I loved how they made me feel, but im taking a break for a long time.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

I understand that, but someone with 20 times the tolerance you have, usually takes about half of the Subs you are taking.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

Do you think that taking 16mg of suboxone three days in a row will make it take more than 72 hours to get out of my system fully? (or close enough?) I took them about the same time of night every night, so it will have been 72 hours by 9pm tonight -- am I good to go ahead and take 30 mg of hydrocodone tonightt and feel it, without the Sub intefering?

thanks
matt

[does2]

Now I have heard it all.

Absolutely ridiculous.

This whole thread, summed up.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Do you think that taking 16mg of suboxone three days in a row will make it take more than 72 hours to get out of my system fully? (or close enough?) I took them about the same time of night every night, so it will have been 72 hours by 9pm tonight -- am I good to go ahead and take 30 mg of hydrocodone tonightt and feel it, without the Sub intefering?

thanks
matt

Don't take 16mg of Subs period. Don't take subs 3 days in a row, if you don't have a problem with opiates. Again, save them for someone who needs them.

If you have been binging on 16mg of Suboxone 3 nights in a row, don't ever expect to feel Hydrocodone ever again, no matter if you wait 3 days, or 3 months. You most likely have fucked up your tolerance by taking 10x more then you need, of a substance you don't need.

I really am not going to answer anymore of your questions, because you don't ever listen to what intelligent responses we do give you.

[jo_k_er_man]

^^^ some people are just plain retarded.. i'd say ignorant.. but this kid is short bus speshul

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

^^^ some people are just plain retarded.. i'd say ignorant.. but this kid is short bus speshul

Uh, what? we all abuse drugs here -- who are you to judge? Fuck you, douche.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

Don't take 16mg of Subs period. Don't take subs 3 days in a row, if you don't have a problem with opiates. Again, save them for someone who needs them.

If you have been binging on 16mg of Suboxone 3 nights in a row, don't ever expect to feel Hydrocodone ever again, no matter if you wait 3 days, or 3 months. You most likely have fucked up your tolerance by taking 10x more then you need, of a substance you don't need.

I really am not going to answer anymore of your questions, because you don't ever listen to what intelligent responses we do give you.

fuck you too. You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think Sub can't get you high, as you said previously, because it does. "Someone who needs them"? I was sold them by the guy with the script, genius. You expect me to buy them up and look for someone on the street who 'really needs them'? You're out of line. Period.

[does2]

Uh, what? we all abuse drugs here -- who are you to judge? Fuck you, douche.

He isn't judging, he is stating a fact.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

He isn't judging, he is stating a fact.

Short-bus for taking drugs? You abuse them too. I never had a problem with these, so what the fuck are you even talking about? Go O.D. and die.

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

You're just mad that you came off as a fool for saying heoin addicts only need 4 mg. The guy i get them from, takes 3 8mgs a day. That's what he was prescribed and told to do. He was never taking heroin. Fucking idiot.

[does2]

You are the one resorting to personal attacks. A childish decision, the easy one to make... one that requires no thinking.
The consequence is nil this time.
But, this thread is proof of another bad decision you make, and continue to make... I hope the consequence stays nil until it is too late.

[jo_k_er_man]

Uh, what? we all abuse drugs here -- who are you to judge? Fuck you, douche.


abuse? no sir.. i respect everything that goes into my body.. that's why im not some half witted twit addict like yourself..

[does2]

abuse? no sir.. i respect everything that goes into my body.. that's why im not some half witted twit addict like yourself..

There it is.

Do I steal to support a habit?
Do I go hungry to support a habit?
Are the people I care about impacted negatively?
No.
All questions that factor in to my mind, not to mention the others...

[jo_k_er_man]

I didn't take it for withdrawls, I took them to get fucked up. I guess im just tough then? They didn't phase me as far as getting sick. I loved how they made me feel, but im taking a break for a long time.


yea.. you're a real badass :rolleyes:

they must make you feel like a retard.. because well.. i don't really need to explain.. its all been laid out in front of you already

[Euphorial]

Go O.D. and die.

You're fucked up, man. :rolleyes:

These guys have a pretty damn good idea of what they're talking about, so stop lashing out at every chance you get... just listen or respond appropriately. Think for a few minutes before hitting "reply" and keyboard bashing.

Saying "STFU go die u junkie fuckup Reetard u guys are stoopid suboxone getz u higher than jesus u guys shuld all die ur all addicts and going to die!@#" is way too easy, and gets you nowhere.

:hat:

[Feelings Of U4ia]

This kid is a joke.

[jo_k_er_man]

Clown shoes

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Hai GuYz Im b0ut ta g0 bl0w 24mg Of SUm BOmB aZZ SuBoXONE! CuZ Im A BAd AZZ aNd I KaN HaNDLE iT!!!!1111oneee

[does2]

Hai GuYz Im b0ut ta g0 bl0w 24mg Of SUm BOmB aZZ SuBoXONE! CuZ Im A BAd AZZ aNd I KaN HaNDLE iT!!!!1111oneee

You better serve drinks at your funeral. And some kind of danish.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

I prefer Honey Buns.

[does2]

Works for me, glaze please.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

What type of juice would you like.

I am really diggin the Orange-Pineapple juice.

[does2]

I personally enjoy whole milk.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

I love milk more then a lot of things.

Some OC washed down with milk is the best.

[does2]

MMMMM, not to mention a Honey Bun, then a few slices of pizza... then some mashed potatoes and chicken... Man, wtf is in the fridge...?

[Feelings Of U4ia]

I don't know, but hurry up and make us dinner.

[pedaltopedal]

Ok... a few things.

Buprenorphine is both a partial agonist and a antagonist and thus, a complicated medication that doesn't effect everyone the same. How it effects a person is variable... depending on tolerance, length and severity of addiction, amount taken, length of time taken, etc... again, its complicated because of its complicated interaction with receptors.

Its generally agreed that as you go up to 8mg more is better, but as you go past 8mg, it begins to act and feel more like an antagonist... and this is often with heavier and more annoying side effects. Going up even higher proofs this, as it tends to have a ceiling usually around 32mg. Again this is variable person to person, it really depends on a lot of factors. Its often agreed that past 8mg less is considered more...

Somebody with a really heavy tolerance will need more than 8mg to be maitained, but often times once they are stabilized they are able to quickly taper down under 8mg... and once they do (assuming they are able to), they tend to agree that being under 8mg is actually better... its just at first they needed more to be stabilized.

For these people with high tolerances, buprenorphine does not usually make them high at all... it only maintans them and helps to keep cravings at bay because its effects as a partial agonist. It readily binds at the receptors, but doesn't activate them nearly as much as a full agonist (like oxy or heroin) would... so there's usually no high for somebody with a tolerance.

But it's different for people with little to no tolerance. They do often get high and for somebody with no tolerance, its actually a very pleasant, opiate like/antidepressant high.

The 8mg rule also doesn't necessarily apply to people with no prior opiate tolerance as well... again, its complicated. For somebody with no tolerance, 16mg might get them way more high than 8mg... sometimes not.

But here's the catch. With little tolerance, that much suboxone would likely make them very sick for a long time (or OD)... which makes a lot of this thread hard to believe... shit's just not adding up.

Also, if you're opiate naive... why the hell are you going to abuse and or use suboxone recreationally in the first place? It's a miracle drug... really. Why would you want to abuse it and build a permanent tolerance, effectively burning the one bridge out of an opiate addiction (or at minimum, a way to maitain during dry spells)? No other medications out there allow you to taper so effortlessly... definetly not methadone (ask anyone who's tried to get off methadone, its hell). It really is a miracle drug for a lot of people, even if they have to be on it for life.

Don't destroy such a wonderful thing... not only for yourself, but for others who really need it as well .

[religionispoison]

I just got on suboxone for the first time after using H again. I was shooting 4 grams of good H a week for about 3 months. 4 mg of suboxone got rid of my withdrawls. I am averaging 8mg of suboxone a day and this is my third week. About 2-4 hours after I take my suboxone I sometimes get a very mild nod and sometimes I get a slight energy boost like opiates normally do to me. I talked to my friend who's been on subs for 2 years and he said the mild nod will be gone soon and really there aren't really any other side effects.

Before I went to a 3 day detox I had bought some suboxone from someone and I took one the day after I had shot my last bit of H. Because I was not in full withdrawls yet, the naloxone in the suboxone kicked my withdrawls in 15 minutes after it dissolved on my tongue. Which is why I went to detox. I had several suboxone pills and a weeks worth of Buprenorphine tabs and was planning to detox myself, but because I started the subs too early I decided to not suffer and go to the detox where they give you other goodies so you pretty much just sleep.

My friend also mentioned that he gave his girlfriend less than 8 mg of suboxone and she has never done opiates and she was completely doped and really wasted. For those of us that have any kind of history or tolerance there is not much hope for a big suboxone buzz.

However - i do enjoy the mild nod I am getting every other night.

It stays in my system for 3 days easy. I ran out on tuesday and just refilled today and I was fine.

My friend also said when he has stopped taking the suboxone the physical withdrawls were not too bad, however the emotional ones were pretty severe.

I am grateful for the suboxone - it has been a good solution for me. The H withdrawls were not the worst I've ever had, but they were dragging on too long and I had to get back to work. This 3 month run I had was after 10 years of being completely clean. Once I started on the H, I surpassed my historical daily usage within a couple of weeks. Addiction is definitely progressive.

I'm ok now - but I must admit I am taunted by the idea of stopping the subs once in a while and switching to other opiates once in a while to get high. Not in the short term though because the doc I am seeing reserves the right to test me for all other drugs. So I'll just stick with the subs for now. beats withdrawls for sure - and I can get several weeks worth at a time if needed. They are not too strict..

Thats all I know
I'm definitely no expert.
I'm the guy who shot Nalbuphine (duh... - do not ever do that !!!)

[does2]

Seems to me the above two posts may find use being sticky'd.

[Euphorial]

This switched from retarded to very informative pretty abruptly. :p

[jo_k_er_man]

^^^ yea.. talk about an unexpected 180.. i don't know what to think anymore..

[LeapingTiddlywinks!]

yea.. you're a real badass :rolleyes:

they must make you feel like a retard.. because well.. i don't really need to explain.. its all been laid out in front of you already

You are a real cocksucker.

[surfteacher]

Suboxone lasts for a very long time. 55 hours may seem like a long time, but in the Suboxone world it is not. The Suboxone blocked your opiate receptors and basically kicked the Oxy out.

[SothisIsLife]

The drug that blocks your receptors is called naloxone if you want to do more research on its half life.

[Piink]

I have used suboxone many-a-times; both to ease w/d and taper and also to get high at times. I have 2 friends prescribed to it. And a few others that take it for fun.

I can tell you from my experiences that it definitely acts differently depending on whose taking the sub. My friend can take suboxone 2 days in a row and then the following third day pop a couple L10 or a 10mg methadone and feel the effects just as intense as any other day.

For me it is different. If I take a suboxone today, I am going to have to wait at least 48hr's before I will be able to "feel" effects from another opiate. Even after 48 hours, it won't be as intense as it'd normally be. 72 hours is seems to be the breaking point. But it all depends on how much I'd been taking, and for how long.

Well, there's my little snippit of experience with this situation. Hope it could count for something.

[oddibemcd]

This is one of the best and worst threads on the forum.

[IllCanabillyVanilly]

I have a low opiate tolerance and when I would do suboxone I would only take a very small piece of the pill and do a line and I felt good. Even my brother who does opiates almost all the time (oxy 80s, hydro 10s, almost everything except heroin) will only do maybe one or two very small lines.

Oh and just so people know, I never bought suboxone. I only did it when my brother had some and he would offer me a line, he would give me a very small line and tell me that it should do me good, and it did. I didn't try to push my limit because he even told me that for someone like me, a very small amount of sub would be enough.

[religionispoison]

The drug that blocks your receptors is called naloxone if you want to do more research on its half life.

Yes - that's what I had thought too. Actually the Naloxone that is put in the Suboxone pill is only there to prevent people from injecting the pills. If you dissolve the pill under your tongue, the naloxone passes through your system and does NOT act on your brain at all. If you shoot the Suboxone however, the naloxone will do it's job and essentialy be a shot of Narcan and you would be sorry.

It's the Buprenorphine that acts as a "blocker". It's not really a blocker. Buprenorphine has a super strong affinity for the mu-opioid receptors and will "kick out" any other opiates binded to the receptors (causing instant withdrawl if you are strung out). The Bup is onyl a partial agonist so it does not "activate" the receptors as much as something like heroin, so you do not get much of a high or other euphoric effects. It will, however, nullify your withdrawl symptoms in a pretty short period of time (4 to 10 hours).

If you wait about 24 hours after your last use and have dilated pupils and all the other not-so-nice opiate withdrawl sympotoms, then you would take 4mg of suboxone and wait an hour or 2, then take another 4 mg. In 4 to 6 hours you will be well out of the withdrawl. By the next day, with some sleep and fluids, you could be back at work no problem.