Why do we live in chaos?

[tie_dye_kid_454]

Ok. The police cause fear. Doctors make the sick worse. Teachers close minds... What is going on?! it seems like the world is crumbling apart, What do we do? Anyone else feel like society has already crumbled? Or has there never been society, or order... Just a random thought crossing my mind :(

[Hoatzin]

Ok. The police cause fear. Doctors make the sick worse. Teachers close minds...


I wouldn't really agree with any of those things, to be honest.

[neodude1212]

Ok. The police cause fear. Doctors make the sick worse. Teachers close minds...

yeah you lost me on all of this.

and even if all of those examples really do what you say they do, then you must admit that there are organized influences designed to cause chaos, which I guess technically is still a product of order.

[xexon]

The only real chaos is a lack of understanding.

The world has been as it always has been.

It is your perception that must change, not the world itself.

The world is already upholding it's part of the deal as your teacher. You must uphold yours as a student.



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[StonerBill]

i think the answer to your question is that there are too m any people in the world, so people have a lot to gain from other people's loss

[bthizle1]

i think the answer to your question is that there are too m any people in the world, so people have a lot to gain from other people's loss

Well the same basic shit has been going on since the Neanderthals to the Cromagnums to our current state of Homo Sapiens. So, you can't blame it all on population, it's just that because population has gone up there's naturally going to be far more deaths, violence etc...that's just a given. The ideal of "civilization" being implemented into human survival (life), has in my opinion caused more chaos than any other single "step" we as man have taken. With this organized religion was able to really influence large communities as a whole, more of an emphasis is put on social norms, and larger groups of people can be sustained, all equating in more man power and more "reasons" to fight eachother; with the added ability to unite man (through norms/religion etc...) against man. Civilization more than any thing has caused the mass chaos we know today, often times the "civilized" feel it is their duty to "civilize" others. The Egyptians, Mayans, Mycenaeans, (many more greek civs too..Athens especially), Phoenicians, Babylonians, Chinese, Etruscans (whole reason the Romans came about), Romans, Lydians, Macedon (Philip II and his son Alexander), Epiruts, Carthaginians, Persians, Aztecs, basically all western European nations at one point or another (crusades is a perfect example), Mongols, Byzantines....well I think you get the point...there's PLENTY of examples. Ultimately it's civilization that has allowed for chaos on such a massive scale...and yes population does play in to civilization, but it's only a "piece".

[OldTroll]

In my world the police protect the weak, doctors cure the ill, and teachers open minds.

We are all free to choose the world we live in.

[Asmodean]

I agree with the answer that there are too many people. That on itself is already getting a problem, but the fact that we can't control our society is adding to that problem immensely. That's why lots of 'health products' are advertised like they're the ultimate cure while they only hydrate your skin for example, and why some police cause fear (in an attempt to control a roaring crowd of people). It's in favor of the masses, the economy and the idea of control.

[tie_dye_kid_454]

Yeah i know but i always feel uneasy about the state of the world

[bthizle1]

Yeah i know but i always feel uneasy about the state of the world

That's just part of living consciously in our current world. The other option would be to turn towards ignorance, and live a blissful life without compassion towards others suffering. You choose....that's the beauty of our lives.

Oh, and are you really 14? If so, you've got A LOT of eye opening events that'll take place in the future...you think you're uneasy about the situation the world is in now.....

[tie_dye_kid_454]

That's just part of living consciously in our current world. The other option would be to turn towards ignorance, and live a blissful life without compassion towards others suffering. You choose....that's the beauty of our lives.

Oh, and are you really 14? If so, you've got A LOT of eye opening events that'll take place in the future...you think you're uneasy about the situation the world is in now.....


Yes, i am 14 :) I know, i feel something big is gonna happen, and i went to see this psychic (cos im interested in that stuff) and she said something about me being a "indigo child" whatever that means

[Asmodean]

Indigo children are generally kids of parents who wants them to be special. I wouldn't give much thought to it. According to the people who came up with the indigo child idea more than half of the population under the age of 25 are indigo children. If they really were so special we should have noticed some change in society by now I think :p

[Hoatzin]

Indigo children are generally kids of parents who wants them to be special. I wouldn't give much thought to it. According to the people who came up with the indigo child idea more than half of the population under the age of 25 are indigo children. If they really were so special we should have noticed some change in society by now I think :p

Yeah, it always seems a bit paedo-cum-Nazi to me.

[neodude1212]

Indigoooooooosss UNITE!!!

WHOA OOHH!!

:biggrin:

[OldTroll]

FOTW

Here are ten of the most common traits of Indigo Children:

. . . 1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
. . . 2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
. . . 3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
. . . 4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
. . . 5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
. . . 6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.
. . . 7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
. . . 8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
. . . 9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
. . 10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

. . . Do you fit this description?



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[Asmodean]

Dude, many kids fit in those description. If you got ADHD and show some arrogance you're most likely indigo as well. It's just nonsense. You know they're called indigo kids because the colour of their aura?

[neodude1212]

FOTW

Here are ten of the most common traits of Indigo Children:

. . . 1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
. . . 2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
. . . 3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
. . . 4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
. . . 5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
. . . 6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.
. . . 7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
. . . 8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
. . . 9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
. . 10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

. . . Do you fit this description?



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This is basically a synopsis of how a spoiled child would act, but then the title "indigo child" is tacked onto it, thus making them spoiled AND makes them think they are something special.

[The Instinct]

http://www.policeabuse.com/ = proof that the police DO NOT always protect the weak as much as you think they would. An organization of lawyers and professionals who go to battle for you if you've been wronged by authority. Perception? I think a lack of opening our minds about a peaceful way of life is a perception that needs to be opened up instead of closed down to gain selfish existence of power over each other.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=253142&f=24 = a poem I wrote when I was upset about life and it's chaos so I put a title to it and wrote my feelings about it. Read it if you wish. You may find that you relate, or you may not.

[Hoatzin]

FOTW

Here are ten of the most common traits of Indigo Children:

. . . 1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
. . . 2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
. . . 3. Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
. . . 4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
. . . 5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
. . . 6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritual-oriented and don't require creative thought.
. . . 7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
. . . 8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
. . . 9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
. . 10. They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

. . . Do you fit this description?



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Yeah, that's basically autism though, isn't it. I mean, even if you assume that Indigo children DO exists, there's either a hell of a lot of them, or you'd be taking an awful risk assuming that your kid was one when he could just as easily just be a little cock.

http://www.policeabuse.com/ = proof that the police DO NOT always protect the weak as much as you think they would. An organization of lawyers and professionals who go to battle for you if you've been wronged by authority. Perception? I think a lack of opening our minds about a peaceful way of life is a perception that needs to be opened up instead of closed down to gain selfish existence of power over each other.

I don't think anyone suggested that there's no such thing as police brutality. Just that it's a bit of an over-simplification.

[bigblondeafro87]

Read about the chaos theory. Nothing happens randomly or purely by chance.

[Hoatzin]

Read about the chaos theory. Nothing happens randomly or purely by chance.

I thought everything did.

[StonerBill]

i ring true with that description.. and im sure plenty of people do. perhaps you could call me spoiled. but i think spoiled would involve

'expecting other people to do things for them'
'unwilling to listen to reason'
'incapable of caring for themselves'


I mean, I identify my childhood/adolescence and even part of my becoming-adult self by that list of 'indigo' attributes, bar 5 and 10. And I would like my own children to be that way, because I have related positively to those attributes.

Indigo theorists DO say that most kids are indigo these days, so the real question is whether our parents generation were actually void of these qualities... or if indigo is simply a quality of 'kids'

Im thinking that indigo children are simply a product of the opening of awareness about dogmas and cultural oppression which became a big issue in our parents era.

But so has spoiled children...

I think it is a matter of having an open loving parent-child relationship, and as long as the child doesnt become 'spoiled', that is, expectant and dependant, then it is a good thing for these people to be in society.

however, I dont think all that many kids are 'indigo', even if there are a lot. (and when I say indigo I mean the attributes associated with indigo children.. indigo auras could just be a 'childlike' aura which was stifled in the mid 20th century and thus appeared to flourish in the second half

[Joshua Tree]

Ok. The police cause fear. Doctors make the sick worse. Teachers close minds... What is going on?! it seems like the world is crumbling apart, What do we do? Anyone else feel like society has already crumbled? Or has there never been society, or order... Just a random thought crossing my mind :(

I think the question is relative to an extent. Compared to places like Zimbabwe, Iraq and Afghanistan, society here in the UK is in reasonable shape. I have a personal prejudice against the police, I don't like seeing them on the streets, perhaps because of the power and force they represent. You hear a lot of people in the media demanding more police on the streets, but not me. I might grudgingly admit they're a necessary evil. Our police force also seems less draconian than some other countries. I know it's just one example, but I do remember seeing the footage of the L.A. cops beating the crap out of that motorist, subsequently causing riots when the cops were acquitted of assault. Then you get "disappearances" of people arrested and never seen again like in e.g. South America.

Doctors I generally give the benefit of the doubt, though they have a habit of being pill-pushers to get you out the door. I've met some good teachers, but I couldn't really say what the education system is like these days. From what I hear in the media, basic numeracy and literacy is pretty bad in the state sector, I don't know about opening minds. When I was at school it was mostly about discipline and authority hanging over your head, but I went to a private school so maybe they were behind the times.

Maggie Thatcher famously said there's no such thing as society. I think what has happened is it is an increasingly "Me" society if that's not a contradiction in terms. People look after Number One, and materialism is the new God.