How will you know?

[snocbor]

Jesus led an apocalyptic following. He preached that the end of the current
world would come unexpectedly, and that he would return to judge the
world, especially according to how they treated the vulnerable; for this
reason, he called on his followers to be ever alert and faithful. Jesus also
taught that repentance was necessary to escape hell, and promised to give
those who believe in him eternal life (John 3:16–18)

If Jesus Christ came back and walked among us, what would it take for you to believe it was Him?

Would the moon have to turn red for you to believe? Would you need to hear trumpets? See Him coming down from the clouds? Watch as the devil's head is stuck on a pike?

Would you expect an end to all wars, a global calm, a gigantic traffic wreck caused when all those SUV drivers get sucked up in the Rapture?

What exactly would it take for you to believe it was Him? Would you need a miracle?

What if He made you feel good, told you you were beautiful, removed your sin? Would that be miraculous enough for you, or would He have to defy the laws of physics, turn water to wine, cure a leper, maybe even sink an impossible billiards shot?

How will you know Jesus has returned? Isn't it about time?

[Mothman]

You won't know(thief in the night and all that). He doesn't know, only the father knows. Yes it's about time. I'm ready to see an end to this world in it's current state.

[Lynnbrown]

You won't know(thief in the night and all that). He doesn't know, only the father knows. Yes it's about time. I'm ready to see an end to this world in it's current state.

^ Couldn't have said it better myself...

Each one of us will supposedly know only when it is happening, though I think there may be one more thing that needs to happen before the end - has the temple's re-building (for the 3rd time) been completed?

[wa bluska wica]

i will know when religious bigots kill him again

[he'll probably be supporting gay marriage this time 'round]

[snocbor]

hmm...

[does2]

Your spiritual connection with God may be an alert system of sorts.

[Kizen]

We probably won't know

[Ukr-Cdn]

i will know when religious bigots kill him again

[he'll probably be supporting gay marriage this time 'round]

I think this statement is interesting. What makes you think he would support gay marriage. Sure he would not condemn homosexuals, just as he dined with tax collectors and prostitutes, but is there any indication that Jesus supported prostitution?

[snocbor]

I have to say, these replies are not impressive for being in the Sanctuary...

[Ukr-Cdn]

I have to say, these replies are not impressive for being in the Sanctuary...

Why do you say that?

[Lynnbrown]

I have to say, these replies are not impressive for being in the Sanctuary...

Have to say I agree with Ukr Cdn - Why would you say that?....And, exactly what were you looking for - someone who knew what even the angels in heaven do not know? We only know of certain signs that are to be completed before the end, and even (some of) these signs are up for differing interpretation.

[snocbor]

Have to say I agree with Ukr Cdn - Why would you say that?....And, exactly what were you looking for - someone who knew what even the angels in heaven do not know? We only know of certain signs that are to be completed before the end, and even (some of) these signs are up for differing interpretation.

Would you believe the reincarnation of Jesus is here walking the earth right now, ready to guide his people, we just don't know it, yet?

I'm thinking of the future and the way 'things' are going and where they are headed. I only can see that this would be the prime time for something like this to occur, therefore I go back to my original post.

How will YOU know? I highly doubt Jesus would have some sort of powers that go against natures physics, so what would be the giveaway that it is, in fact, Jesus? Who's to say he is not some ordinary guy?

[orison319]

Ppl will hate you more and more as the Coming of Christ get closer and your a true follower of the Lord. Total strangers will hate you even. As they are the sons of serpents and can see the Lord working in you and with you.. ....
You must be meek not wishing for anything, That mean all the things you may so love cant be something you need or want.
Cant be suprised at the doom that church followers will circum to, blindly being lead by false religions and idoltry.
And you cant be listening to guys Like Jack Van Impe.. How a mofo can preach the end times and be hungry for money Ill never know.:confused:

[snocbor]

Thank you orison

[wa bluska wica]

I think this statement is interesting. What makes you think he would support gay marriage. Sure he would not condemn homosexuals, just as he dined with tax collectors and prostitutes, but is there any indication that Jesus supported prostitution?

unless you condemn a person

what justification can you have for denying them basic human rights?

[Mothman]

If you are a christian waiting for Christ's return, shouldn't you be raptured before he actually does? Also, isn't he coming to declare war and to judge this time?

[Lynnbrown]

If you are a christian waiting for Christ's return, shouldn't you be raptured before he actually does? Also, isn't he coming to declare war and to judge this time?

That ^ was only one of the Many things that occured to me when this original question was posed. If you are a pre or post-millienialist (sp?) We (meaning Christians), according to the Bible will Not be here on this earth when Jesus walks here again, and it my understanding that yes, most certainly it will be for the judgement of those that are left After the rapture.

Also, the only one, as I understand it, that just well May be walking around us now is the anti christ. He will have a world religious leader on one side and a (regular)world leader on the other side. I'm greatly paraphrasing here, but that is the gist.
The anti christ Will perform Supposed "miracles" and will do many things that will fool the ones w/out God in their lifes. I know I already feel like I recognize his evil emisaries in top goverment and business positions, and I for one will not be fooled by the false one.

[wa bluska wica]

i am still amazed at this rapture thing, basically invented by religious hucksters around 150 years ago

the nicean council [or whomever picked and chose which books went into the bible] would have done the world an enormous favor by leaving out revelations altogether

i guess they saw the opportunity for control over the minds of certain types of people, always a good thing for a church

throw out everything except the quotes of the man jesus and you'll all have a much better guide for living your lives without worrying about homosexuals or flying into the air

[Mothman]

Isn't it crazy? How can group of people that believe in a virgin birth, a man that walks on water, dies and comes back to life, then flies away to heaven...go on to believe the concept of a rapture into heaven just because their religious text says something like... we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever...or something to that effect. So what if there are a few other versus that suggest this idea.

I mean come on, they didn't really start talking about it until 1830, even though technically they could have any time after Thessalonians was written. Stupid Nicean Council should have omitted Thessalonians too.

If only Christians would stick to Jesus teachings, wait...didn't he claim to be the Son of God and talk about eternal life, resurrection and such? That's not logical either...ahh well, at least we can make fun of them by pointing out how illogical they are and throwing the flying spaghetti monster up in their faces. That never gets old.

Let's face it...we all know they deserve it, think of all the blood that has been spilled in the name of their God, and how they try to control us with their religion, forcing their beliefs upon us. Everyone knows that if there was no religion at all, mankind would never find another reason for, or method of, doing any of those things. Stupid organized religion.

[wa bluska wica]

" When people are fanatically devoted to political
or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas
or goals, its always because these dogmas or
goals are in doubt"
- Robert M Pirsig

[wa bluska wica]

to be fair, i admit that i have never read a single word that jesus said

i have read the words put in his mouth by people claiming to represent him

that said, taken at face value

why choose the message, screw my neighbors, i'm flying to heaven, they can suffer forever

over the messages of love and tolerance?

[AdreSac]

Wasn't this forum a place where Christians wouldn't be persecuted by those who don't believe? Just by not following simple rules you already prove that you cannot abide by the laws of respect.

If you have god in your heart, and have told jesus that you admit to being a sinner and take up his offer of forgiveness, then you will silently know when he will come to save you.

Christianity is not a religion, it is a connection to god through Jesus Christ. Only if you believe, will you see your prayers answered. Those people who use the lords words for purposes that are sinful are not true believers.

If you believe and have faith in God the Creator, and Son of God, then you will know when he arrives to save us. You cannot criticize Jesus Christ unless you have read what he has said through the bible.

And to those who think the bible is fake and has been written by bigots and such, has obviously never read it. Dare to read?

[Mothman]

No sac, you won't know when. He will come like thief in the night. May I say that while I commend you on your faith, I would suggest that you round out your knowledge a bit. It is very natural for non-christians to look at the Bible in an entirely different way than you do. Of course they will find alternative explanations as to how the Bible came to be, instead of it being inspired by God. There is nothing wrong with considering the other team's argument and looking at the facts they can provide to support their claims. A lot of people become disenchanted with christians because they are so confident in their faith that they can come across as arrogant. When you factor in that many christians only know Bible versus and nothing about history or science even in the context of a religious based discussion they end up looking like robots programmed with only biblical dogma. Toss in bit of old fashioned christian "Im better than you cuz I'm saved" attitude and people can get down right disgusted.

The bible tells us to gain wisdom above all else, there is no reason why the faithful can't also be knowledgeable. Wisdom is crying out to you in the streets. I think it is okay to know why science suggests that a global flood did not happen and to still have faith that it did. I can't be mad at people that have never had an experience with God and therefore proceed through life using common sense in place of faith.

[AdreSac]

Do you believe in god or the teachings of jesus, mothman?

[Lynnbrown]

i am still amazed at this rapture thing, basically invented by religious hucksters around 150 years ago

the nicean council [or whomever picked and chose which books went into the bible] would have done the world an enormous favor by leaving out revelations altogether

i guess they saw the opportunity for control over the minds of certain types of people, always a good thing for a church

throw out everything except the quotes of the man jesus and you'll all have a much better guide for living your lives without worrying about homosexuals or flying into the air

:)Just for the record, I don't attend church, (although I was baptized many years ago); however, I Do know the bible, and I have read it, which you say you have not. I have faith, but Not in organized religion - that is humorous.
I have not a problem in this world with homosexuals - my brother is gay and married to his man - that is not for me to judge. I love them both.
I pose this question - rather than be concerned about Jesus walking this earth again (which I don't think will happen while "everybody" is here) - what about be concerned how we treat our fellow man as we may be entertaining angels unaware. (That is also in the good book.)

[Lynnbrown]

Wasn't this forum a place where Christians wouldn't be persecuted by those who don't believe? Just by not following simple rules you already prove that you cannot abide by the laws of respect.

If you have god in your heart, and have told jesus that you admit to being a sinner and take up his offer of forgiveness, then you will silently know when he will come to save you.

Christianity is not a religion, it is a connection to god through Jesus Christ. Only if you believe, will you see your prayers answered. Those people who use the lords words for purposes that are sinful are not true believers.

If you believe and have faith in God the Creator, and Son of God, then you will know when he arrives to save us. You cannot criticize Jesus Christ unless you have read what he has said through the bible.



And to those who think the bible is fake and has been written by bigots and such, has obviously never read it. Dare to read?

That ^ AndreSac, was just beautiful and wanted to quote it, so that those wonderful words could be seen and read again. (hopefully):D

[Mothman]

Do you believe in god or the teachings of jesus, mothman?

Yes.I believe Jesus is God. If it was not apparent from my words to wica then please read them again, but this time add sarcasm and you should see which side of the fence I am sitting on.

[wa bluska wica]

oh i have read the bible, the words of apostles [or whomever wrote those 4 books] claiming he said this, he said that

i do not know what he said as he wrote not a thing

however, that is not important

what i am really trying to understand is the desire for the end of the world and the destruction of those considered 'unsaved', whether they be good or bad people

as opposed to 'love thy neighbor'

i would also think that learning to deal with the world as it is might be a healthier thing than wishing for it to end

personally, no matter who wrote the gospels and how much of it is actually the thought of jesus, it is far better stuff than everything before it and after it, and should really stand alone

[Mothman]

^Now who is picking and choosing?

[AdreSac]

"I see", says the blind man.

[liquidlight]

I think when jesus said he'll return he was talking not as jesus 'the individual' but as 'christ' ... the way, the truth, and the light ...and the life. Attaining christ conciousness means you are no longer 'an individual' because you see that the life that you are is the same life that lives in every living thing, ...THAT is what will return; the life and spirit that lies deep within you that is the essence of you. You ARE the christ but you just don't know it ... the christ is within you, it IS you ... hidden behind the mind made veil of who you think you are. So the christ returns, emerges from within again and again to take you home to your true self.
Christ is already here if you'll listen to the true message of what Jesus taught.

[wa bluska wica]

liquidlight, i always like your posts

but they do not seem to reflect the jonestownesque thoughts of the dispensationalists

which is what i am curious about

funny that they, as christians, should seem to NOT want a bible with only the doings and sayings of jesus

rather that they should also be paulish, johnish, and jewish

[liquidlight]

Sure, i never heard of jonestown or dispensionalists, but yes, i tend to disregard mutch ... or pretty mutch all of the bible and stick to the message jesus was trying to convey. I don't actually even call myself, or label myself a christian but being a believer in the christ and the teachings of jesus i guess perhaps 'chrisian mystisism' is more my thing.

[Mothman]

Liquidlight, I can appreciate your perspective on Christ's return. Truth be told I gave a bit of thought to what Wica was saying as well and while I don't think the rest of the bible should be omitted I do think that Wica is striking the nail on the head by implying that perhaps christians do not follow our ultimate role model as closely as we should and we don't always walk in love, in a manner that would cause us to be light upon a hilltop. I offer my apologies to wica, if I was a bit short sighted in our conversation.

[AdreSac]

If you cannot see the wickedness in mankind and its society, and cannot see the balance's of life and history, then you obviously cannot understand what the lord means in his words.

Never reject the old so that the new may prosper, if you do, then the new will only collapse faster than it was built.

Every civilization has a rise and a fall. If this new upcoming civilization rises too fast, then it will surely crash just as fast. It's the reason why the new world order will never work.

Maybe in the next age, mankind could finally learn how to perfect civilization. But until then, brace yourself for all hell may break loose.

All dogs go to heaven.

[Lynnbrown]

If you cannot see the wickedness in mankind and its society, and cannot see the balance's of life and history, then you obviously cannot understand what the lord means in his words.

Never reject the old so that the new may prosper, if you do, then the new will only collapse faster than it was built.

Every civilization has a rise and a fall. If this new upcoming civilization rises too fast, then it will surely crash just as fast. It's the reason why the new world order will never work.

Maybe in the next age, mankind could finally learn how to perfect civilization. But until then, brace yourself for all hell may break loose.

All dogs go to heaven.


^^Are you Sure you are just 16? I must add - quite wise words...Out of the mouth of babes...:)

[galaxi]

i have a good "vibes sensorys system" installed in my brain. i think id know because jesus would be flashing with beautiful vibes and glows. light would be shining from his eyes and behind his smile i could see kindness. in the bible it states we will know true christians by their fruits. i think we'd notice him to be a gentlemen and a true activist for inhumane treatment. he wouldnt be unkind..
id feel safe around him
id feel certain he wouldnt ever say an unkind word about me.

but maybe i wouldnt know.
what if god was one of us?
we should treat everyone like they are important.

[OlderWaterBrother]

If Jesus Christ came back and walked among us, what would it take for you to believe it was Him? Jesus will not come back and walk among us, because to do that he would have to take back his sacrifice. But his “return” has already happened.

Would the moon have to turn red for you to believe? Would you need to hear trumpets? See Him coming down from the clouds? Watch as the devil's head is stuck on a pike? Just the fulfillment of the signs he said would take place.

Would you expect an end to all wars, a global calm, a gigantic traffic wreck caused when all those SUV drivers get sucked up in the Rapture? The Bible says that when he would begin his “return” it would be in the midst of his enemies and the end of this “return” would culminate in Armageddon.

As for the “Rapture”, what the Bible is talking about is something quite different.

What exactly would it take for you to believe it was Him? Would you need a miracle? As I said before all you are going to get are the signs that were prophesied.

What if He made you feel good, told you were beautiful, removed your sin? Would that be miraculous enough for you, or would He have to defy the laws of physics, turn water to wine, cure a leper, maybe even sink an impossible billiards shot? Sorry, the time for such things is past. Jesus is now a ruling king and will not be coming to earth to entertain us.

How will you know Jesus has returned? Isn't it about time? As I have already said; Jesus has all ready “returned”.

Let those with eyes see it.

As for how can you know?

By seeing that the signs that tell of it have already happened and are still happening.

[OlderWaterBrother]

unless you condemn a person

what justification can you have for denying them basic human rights?According to the Bible; homosexuality is not a basic human right and thus Gay marriage is not a basic human right either.

[wa bluska wica]

i am so tired of hearing today's world talked about in terms of what people thought 2000 years ago

not to mention a bunch of stuff that is borrowed mythology

it didn't work then [the bible is a great book for reading about miscreant sex and violence] and it ain't working now

[Mothman]

According to the Bible; homosexuality is not a basic human right and thus Gay marriage is not a basic human right either.

I disagree. We are given free will. All things are possible but not all are glorifying to God. I never found anywhere in the bible where it says to deny people basic human rights because of a certain type of sin, I think it is evil and cruel that we are supposedly a people that walk in love and have confessed that we too are sinners and deserve Hell and still we persecute homosexuality.

This kind of thing is where I can see the brainwashing, christian machine at work, it is a perversion of what the Body of Christ was intended to be.

[OlderWaterBrother]

I had to check and see if this was Sanctuary, where only Christians are suppose to be discussing Christianity.

Okay, when did homosexuality become a basic human right?

No matter how you twist the Scriptures, the Bible does not even imply that homosexuality is a human right, let alone a basic one.

[Ukr-Cdn]

I think there needs to be a definition here. Homosexuality: are you speaking of the state of being homosexual or the act of homosexuality where two adults of the same sex partake in mutual sexual acts? They are vastly different.

[does2]

I think there needs to be a definition here. Homosexuality: are you speaking of the state of being homosexual or the act of homosexuality where two adults of the same sex partake in mutual sexual acts? They are vastly different.

Yes they are, and depending on religion, sin, too.

[wa bluska wica]

love your fellow man, you christians

[love him up GOOD]

and stop judging, sheesh . . .

[OlderWaterBrother]

I think there needs to be a definition here. Homosexuality: are you speaking of the state of being homosexual or the act of homosexuality where two adults of the same sex partake in mutual sexual acts? They are vastly different.Homosexuality is where two adults of the same sex partake in mutual sexual acts? A homosexual is someone who practices or actively engages in homosexuality. Will that do?

[OlderWaterBrother]

love your fellow man, you christians

[love him up GOOD]

and stop judging, sheesh . . .Sounds like you're confusing love with sex; they are not the same thing.

As for judging, I'm merely pointing out what God says in the Bible.

He's the one doing the judging.

[does2]

I said it once before, and I will say it again...
I will know because I have a strong spiritual connection with my God.

[wa bluska wica]

Sounds like you're confusing love with sex; they are not the same thing.

sounds like you are separating them

we are arguing marriage, which is about love

[Mothman]

I had to check and see if this was Sanctuary, where only Christians are suppose to be discussing Christianity.

Okay, when did homosexuality become a basic human right?

No matter how you twist the Scriptures, the Bible does not even imply that homosexuality is a human right, let alone a basic one.

I am a christian. The Constitution dictates our rights not the Bible, the bible says that we must yield to the government and its laws, it's leaders and pay our taxes. Also we were ALL given free will, and homosexuality is just another sin and your flesh is no better than any homosexuals flesh. Who are we to stand against gay people being joined together and have the benefits of a married couple. Why do we care?

Fight against calling it marriage, fight against God's name being used in the ceremony, that right is ours but to deny them the right to live comfortably because they are gay is not the job of the body of Christ.

[OlderWaterBrother]

sounds like you are separating themNo, they should not be separated but because they are different things some people do separate them.

we are arguing marriage, which is about loveOnce again, love and marriage are two different things and marriage is not always about love.

[OlderWaterBrother]

I am a christian. The Constitution dictates our rights not the Bible, the bible says that we must yield to the government and its laws, it's leaders and pay our taxes. Also we were ALL given free will, and homosexuality is just another sin and your flesh is no better than any homosexuals flesh. Who are we to stand against gay people being joined together and have the benefits of a married couple. Why do we care? The Constitution does not dictate our rights, the way it is written it acknowledges that regardless of what any government says we are born with certain rights which no government should take away.

The Bible says we should obey the law as long as it doesn’t conflict with God’s Laws.

Homosexuality is prohibited by the Bible and thus no matter what the government says, as Christians we are obligated to follow God’s laws on this matter.

As for standing against gay marriage, I don’t. What ever gays want to do, they’re going to do and it’s not my job to stand in their way. But wa bluska wica said that when Jesus came back he would be for gay marriage and I merely was pointing out that Jesus who believed that the Bible was the word of God, would still not be for gay marriage.

Fight against calling it marriage, fight against God's name being used in the ceremony, that right is ours but to deny them the right to live comfortably because they are gay is not the job of the body of Christ.I think I already answered this but personally I don’t believe gay marriage can be called a “basic human right” and I’m not for changing the definition of marriage to include gays. But I really only commented because I wanted to say that Jesus would not be for gay marriage when he comes back.

[wa bluska wica]

No, they should not be separated but because they are different things some people do separate them.

Once again, love and marriage are two different things and marriage is not always about love.
so

if two people love each other, and wish to be LEGALLY wed, and have sex within that loving relationship, why would anyone fight that?

is it better for them to have no legal rights as a couple, or for their sexuality to be expressed outside of wedlock?

or should people not be allowed to express their true selves because someone a few thousand years ago thought it was icky, and either expressed it themselves, or claimed "god" did?

[OlderWaterBrother]

so

if two people love each other, and wish to be LEGALLY wed, and have sex within that loving relationship, why would anyone fight that?

is it better for them to have no legal rights as a couple, or for their sexuality to be expressed outside of wedlock?

or should people not be allowed to express their true selves because someone a few thousand years ago thought it was icky, and either expressed it themselves, or claimed "god" did?Do you consider yourself a Christian?

[Mothman]

The Constitution does not dictate our rights, the way it is written it acknowledges that regardless of what any government says we are born with certain rights which no government should take away.

The Bible says we should obey the law as long as it doesn’t conflict with God’s Laws.

Homosexuality is prohibited by the Bible and thus no matter what the government says, as Christians we are obligated to follow God’s laws on this matter.

As for standing against gay marriage, I don’t. What ever gays want to do, they’re going to do and it’s not my job to stand in their way. But wa bluska wica said that when Jesus came back he would be for gay marriage and I merely was pointing out that Jesus who believed that the Bible was the word of God, would still not be for gay marriage.

I think I already answered this but personally I don’t believe gay marriage can be called a “basic human right” and I’m not for changing the definition of marriage to include gays. But I really only commented because I wanted to say that Jesus would not be for gay marriage when he comes back.

Denying gay marriage is no one's right either.

I see what your saying but I just feel that one's religion should not be a factor in weather or not gay marriage is legalized or not and that the biggest obstacle in the way of it being legalized is Christianity.

I must agree that Jesus would not be for gay anything! At least not in any way that I can think of. I think he would want gays or any person for that matter to be treated humanely but I can't imagine him being involved in any kind of gay movement.

[wa bluska wica]

Do you consider yourself a Christian?

i like a lot of the stuff that the man called jesus said

i like a lot of stuff that a lot of people said

i don't care much for labels

i don't believe in infallibility

[OlderWaterBrother]

i like a lot of the stuff that the man called jesus said

i like a lot of stuff that a lot of people said

i don't care much for labels

i don't believe in infallibilityThanx, you didn't have to do that.

Jesus believed in a God, would you say you believe in the same God?

[ShadyGrove]

The second coming of Jesus has totally been misinterpreted. Are we to actually believe that an enlightened one will return in flesh and blood?

I think not, my proposal is upon your own enlightenment is the second coming, the return of the light of the world into your life. There was only one Jesus Christ and I don't suspect he will come as body for even while he was embodied he didn't dwell in it as a body, "I am the light of the world", that's no metaphor.

[wa bluska wica]

Thanx, you didn't have to do that.

Jesus believed in a God, would you say you believe in the same God?

let's just say i am full of wonder and still open-minded about it all

there are a lot of different positions about the nature of ultimate reality, all unproven until we die

i am generally not in favor of any belief/deity that holds itself ahead of others, and as even the old testament implies, there are others

btw if i ever were to for some reason become a christian, i would definitely be eastern orthodox as they have the best music:)

EDIT - that was not meant as sarcasm, rather my interest in and preference for ritual

[OlderWaterBrother]

let's just say i am full of wonder and still open-minded about it all

there are a lot of different positions about the nature of ultimate reality, all unproven until we die

i am generally not in favor of any belief/deity that holds itself ahead of others, and as even the old testament implies, there are others

btw if i ever were to for some reason become a christian, i would definitely be eastern orthodox as they have the best music:)

EDIT - that was not meant as sarcasm, rather my interest in and preference for ritualDo you believe there is a God or Gods?

BTW that's a better reason than most people have for choosing a religion.

[wa bluska wica]

Do you believe there is a God or Gods?

i believe there are things we cannot explain, that i cannot explain, the nature of which i am as yet unsure

the word 'god' is so loaded with assumptions and imagery that i will leave it at that for now . . .

[OlderWaterBrother]

i believe there are things we cannot explain, that i cannot explain, the nature of which i am as yet unsure

the word 'god' is so loaded with assumptions and imagery that i will leave it at that for now . . .Some believe in what they call the "God Gap", that God was invented to fill in the gaps of what we don't know and that when those gaps are closed then God will disappear or do you feel that "God" exists but is unexplainable

[wa bluska wica]

Some believe in what they call the "God Gap", that God was invented to fill in the gaps of what we don't know and that when those gaps are closed then God will disappear or do you feel that "God" exists but is unexplainable

something in the middle, but closer to the latter

that is to say that the gaps may never be filled, and for a reason, again, not so much the angry biblical voice but possibly something more existential [for lack of a better term]

things suffer when they are named or defined

this is beginning to remind me of an eye exam

[famewalk]

But do we ask why the gaps continue to occur, like money; we may no longer expect it; but need it; need it instead, and then expect it for the consequences of lucking and liking?

Is that what Christians call : give me, and let the secular world take it's course?

[OlderWaterBrother]

something in the middle, but closer to the latter

that is to say that the gaps may never be filled, and for a reason, again, not so much the angry biblical voice but possibly something more existential [for lack of a better term]

things suffer when they are named or defined

this is beginning to remind me of an eye examSorry, just interested. I'll move along. ;)

[Sunchild77]

I have accepted that one of my primary tasks is to bring others into the fold.

I am also thinking, all paths lead to god- and that Jesus walks.

peace brothers, P.S. Love the first post, yes it was enough, entirely enough, exactly what i needed.

[wa bluska wica]

water brother, was thinking about your questions some, and realized that at different times i believed different and occasionally opposing things, the mind is a funny thing, the soul even funnier

see ya on the other side, we'll compare notes

[OlderWaterBrother]

water brother, was thinking about your questions some, and realized that at different times i believed different and occasionally opposing things, the mind is a funny thing, the soul even funnier

see ya on the other side, we'll compare notesHaven't we all.

That's why I like to talk to people about what they believe.

I get to know what others believe and hear ideas I may not have heard before and get me to thinking about my own beliefs.

[ShadyGrove]

A belief is a confession of ignorance, therefore don't even believe what I tell you, I can only teach you to enlighten yourselves -Buddha

[wa bluska wica]

A belief is a confession of ignorance, therefore don't even believe what I tell you, I can only teach you to enlighten yourselves -Buddha

do you believe that?

[ShadyGrove]

do you believe that?

By saying yes or no I suffice my view, for it is a paradoxical statement

so I shall not answer because only by answering, either way I choose, It becomes a form of ammunition for online posters to try to prove they're beliefs are right compared to others.

If you want me to say I believe in something, this thing that I may or may not believe in would entirely encompass your views and beliefs.


Its all a- P R D X
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Whichever line you choose to read, you will still be confused, you must read both.... it's a metaphor so please try and figure it out

[wa bluska wica]

life is too short . . .

[ShadyGrove]

life is too short . . .


A single bodily life may seem short, but spirit is reborn into many bodies