The Antichrist

[AdreSac]

Could he be Rahm Emanuel?

[jmt]

mayb obama

[Hoatzin]

I hope the Obama suggestion wasn't serious. I mean, eve if the Bible DID state that the Antichrist would be "a charismatic man of Muslim descent in his 40s" (which it definitely doesn't), it still doesn't explain why Obama was being cited up until his election, while, say, Osama Bin Laden never to my knowledge had the accusation leveled at him, despite fitting that description perfectly.

[AdreSac]

I hope the Obama suggestion wasn't serious. I mean, eve if the Bible DID state that the Antichrist would be "a charismatic man of Muslim descent in his 40s" (which it definitely doesn't), it still doesn't explain why Obama was being cited up until his election, while, say, Osama Bin Laden never to my knowledge had the accusation leveled at him, despite fitting that description perfectly.

osama, charismatic? does the world love osama the way they love obama?
ill stick with my theory that when a crisis hits, obama would announce to the world that there would be another leader in his place. To convince the populace to accept the new world order. And i believe the new leader would be Rahm Emanuel.

[Agent R]

Let's take a close look at this thing to make sure there's no mistake,

"And the dragon gave him his power, and his seat,, and great authority." Revelation 13:2.

Emperor Justinian "gave" Rome to the Pope when he decreed that the Pope should be over all the Christian churches of the earth, and established the Papacy in 538 A.D., when the Emperor's general Belisarius drove the Ostrogoths from Rome.

Rome gave him his "seat." Bible prophecy predicted it hundreds of years before it happened!

From 538 A.D. the Papacy ruled for exactly 1260 years, until 1798 when something incredible happened. The Pope was taken prisoner! Napoleon's general, Berthier, captured the Pope and took him to France!

A deadly wound. The Papacy had reigned exactly 1260 years. Could it have just been coincidence? Why did Berthier do it?

Napoleon wanted to rule the world. The Papacy stood in his way. I wonder if they knew that they were fulfilling prophecy in spite of themselves!

"... and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast." Revelation 13:3.

"In 1929, the Italian government recognized Vatican City as an independent state. Once again, the Pope was king. On March 9, 1929, he said, 'The peoples of the entire world are with us.' The San Francisco Chronicle published an account of the pact-signing on the front page of its newspaper. It actually read like this,
'Mussolini and Gaspari Sign Historic Pact . . . Heal Wound of Many Years.' That is fantastic! The Bible prophesied that its wound would be healed and the newspaper confirmed it in the exact same words."

Though this great organization was not officially established till 538 AD., the Apostle Paul saw forces at work that were preparing the way. What was going on back there that he could have seen? Here's what happened.

After Jesus went back to heaven, the early church grew rapidly under the blessing of the Holy Spirit. Jesus had predicted the treatment that His people were to receive.

"They shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." Matthew 24:9.

That was literally fulfilled. Look at this amazing account.

"Their execution was made into a game," wrote Tacitus, describing the persecutions under Nero. "They were covered with the skins of wild animals and torn to pieces by dogs. They were hung on crosses. They were burned, wrapped in flammable material and set on fire, to illuminate the night.

'To escape death, they had but to repudiate Christ and sacrifice to the emperor." Cited in LIBERTY, June, 1980, p. 13. Some did, but many more were tortured to death rather than deny their Lord.

"Paganism foresaw that should the gospel triumph, her temples and altars would be swept away; therefore she summoned her forces to destroy Christianity. Christians were stripped of their possessions and driven from their homes. Great numbers sealed their testimony with their blood. Noble and slave, rich and poor,,
learned and ignorant, were alike slain without mercy.

"Beneath the hills outside the city of Rome, long galleries had been tunneled through earth and rock; the dark and intricate network of passages extended for miles beyond the city walls. In these underground retreats the followers of Christ buried their dead; and here also, when suspected, they found a home. Many were
tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection.' Hebrews 11:35. They rejoiced that they were accounted worthy to suffer for the truth, and songs of triumph ascended from the midst of the crackling flames."

Satan couldn't wipe them out. For years emperors Nero and Diocletian slaughtered them by the thousands.

"You may kill us, torture us, condemn us," said one Christian to his persecutors, "your injustice is the proof that we are innocent." Tertullian, Apology, para. 50.

Until 313 A.D. it was against the law to be a Christian. Such a person was an automatic criminal, But the followers of Jesus spread everywhere.

Satan could see that he had to change his tactics. He would come up with a better scheme, What could the devil think of to do better than killing them?

Make things easy - and infiltrate! Like a wise general he would corrupt the church from the inside.

Watch what happens.

A great shout goes up in the empire. Emperor Constantine has become a Christian! The Christians are euphoric.

No more being torn apart by dogs and lions, or used as dupes to be cut down in cold blood, or human torches to light up the arena for the gladiators. Now Christianity is the state religion! Things are going great. Or so it seems.

But little by little, as everyone relaxes and quits worrying about being tortured to death, something happens.

Compromise!

Gradually the leaders, for the sake of popularity and gain, let down the standards to make it easier for the pagans to come into the church. But this brings in efforts and pagan customs.

Not at all surprised by Satan's scheme to corrupt His church from within, God gives us fair warning. Listen to Paul's shocking words.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:" II Thessalonians 2:1- 4,7. Oh yes. He saw it coming! The mysterious work of corruption rapidly progressed after the death of the last Apostle.

Question: What happened?

After persecution ceased, Satan's great device was to control the leaders of the church. If he could inflate their ego; make them money hungry, the whole body would be affected. A popularity contest would be on to get as many heathen to accept Christianity as possible. The wealth and prestige of the church would grow. Who cares if you have to change the Bible somewhat to get them! Just introduce some of the heathen customs and rites into Christianity, give them Christian names, and the heathen will flock in.

Of all horrors - that's just what happened!

The Apostles had gone throughout the empire establishing churches in many cities. As time went by, smaller churches were built in the surrounding country sides. The large centers were in Jerusalem, Rome, and Alexandria, Egypt. Rome finally emerged on top.

The next step in the plot was for church leaders to get control of the state to help enforce their decrees. They achieved this beyond their wildest dreams. The, epitome of this came when in 538 A.D. the entire city of Rome was handed over to the Pope - the Bishop of Rome. For the next 1260 years, church leaders reigned with full civil authority. All just as predicted in prophecy!

Incredible!

But look at this shocker.

It says that the beast has "the name of blasphemy." Revelation 13:1. "It became one of the leading doctrines of the church that its visible head is invested with supreme authority over bishops and pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, he took the very name of God! He was addressed as "Lord God the Pope" and declared to be "infallible." (For documentation see Appendix 3). He demands the 'worship of all men.

What about 666? Let's take a shocking look.

On the Pope's official mitre is the title "Vicarius Filii Dei," which means "Vicar of the Son of God." The claim that this is his official title has been stated publicly through the years. The April 18, 1915 issue of Our Sunday Visitor, states: 'The letters inscribed in the Pope's mitre are these: "VICARIUS FILII DEI," which is Latin for Vicar of the Son of God."

In Revelation 13:18 it says, "Count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)."

Let's do it now and see what we find. Remember the Roman numerals you learned in school?


VICARIUS

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = 0
R = 0
U = 5
S = 0
--------
112


+


FILII

F = 0
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
--------
53


+


DEI

D = 500
E = 0
I = 1
--------
501


= 666

"U" and "V" have the same value.
Look in your encyclopedia under "Alphabet."

In Greek, Hebrew, and Latin, it comes out the same - "666"

[famewalk]

God is dead. The Anti-christ cannot make amends with the Charlot. He has to be the charlot himself in order to be present in the future as well as the past. She is no where in the actual space and time to be found; doesn't mean she died: does it?

[sathead]

The A-series and the B-series of Time passage. Is that something Christian because time doesn't exist at the end of the world, or is it after-all something with that war in Afghanistan?

[xexon]

And people think I'm strange. :)

The Anti-Christ isn't a person. It's a kind of attitude the world takes in dealing with things. It cycles just like the seasons do.

Today's world is very AC. Cold calculation of profit and loss has become more important than compassion and empathy for your fellow human being.

We have traded prophet for profit.

We have only begun to pay the price for such an oversight.

But pain is a good teacher. That too, has only just begun. All your bibilcal prophesies aren't far off now. Not from the battle of God and the Devil, but the battle of the informed versus the ignorant.

Same as always.



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[Nikalaus]

IS the Anti Christ and Beast the same?

I say the Beast is the Rockafeller Family.

Rocka Feller.

RFID chip.

[xexon]

The AC is regarded as a person or group of people.

The beast is kind of their extended family. It encompasses all the little support elements that feed a movement like this.

You could say bankers are AC, and the financial institutions their body.

I'm only interested in the head.



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[AdreSac]

the beast is what i believe to be "The System" with the antichrist right on top of it.

[jmt]

The AC is regarded as a person or group of people.
The beast is kind of their extended family. It encompasses all the little support elements that feed a movement like this.
You could say bankers are AC, and the financial institutions their body.
I'm only interested in the head.


BS post. the AntiChirst is a person! and the beast is the system, pretty wierd that an anti-zionist would we believe in the thought of the antichrist.

anyways i was think who it might be the AC as well . when the AC declares himself ruler of earth he will sign a 7 yr peace agreement with Israel and Pasletine. After 3yrs he will break the agreement and wage war on the state of Israel.but b4 the signing of this treaty the rapture will happen and he will tell people that the "aliens" adopted them when his just tricking people. so

if Obama starts Jan.19 2009 and in 2010 19 jan. it will be one yr, so from 2010 19.jan to 2011 jan.19 it will be 2 years of his presidency. So from jan.19 2011 to 2012 .19jan it will 3yrs! so i assume that he wages war against Israel in 2012! btw another thing i notice is that the Media is hyping up 2012 so it looks as the End of the world, so then this would help out obama on starting war on Israel. Remember the devil comes in sheep clothing and he will do watever in tricking ppl.

[Lynnbrown]

BS post. the AntiChirst is a person! and the beast is the system, pretty wierd that an anti-zionist would we believe in the thought of the antichrist.

anyways i was think who it might be the AC as well . when the AC declares himself ruler of earth he will sign a 7 yr peace agreement with Israel and Pasletine. After 3yrs he will break the agreement and wage war on the state of Israel.but b4 the signing of this treaty the rapture will happen and he will tell people that the "aliens" adopted them when his just tricking people. so

if Obama starts Jan.19 2009 and in 2010 19 jan. it will be one yr, so from 2010 19.jan to 2011 jan.19 it will be 2 years of his presidency. So from jan.19 2011 to 2012 .19jan it will 3yrs! so i assume that he wages war against Israel in 2012! btw another thing i notice is that the Media is hyping up 2012 so it looks as the End of the world, so then this would help out obama on starting war on Israel. Remember the devil comes in sheep clothing and he will do watever in tricking ppl.

what an Interesting post, jmt...
I do definitely believe that AC is a man, but I surely do hope you're wrong about Obama. I think there are some parallel things going on in Europe, which I think AC could also come from.
Do you have any thoughts that the AC will be a clone - makes perfect sense to me, as that would be a human, but also an abomination (imo) - it could easily have happened in those fancy biotech places over there, you know?

[Fyrenza]

Yeah, the anti-Christ will be a man, and your idea of a clone would be perfect since it's very soul would be an abomination.

Nowadays, with the DNA stuff, i imagine that the Shroud of Turin, the supposed burial wrap used on Jesus, might be just the thing...

i have to wonder, also, about the Rapture ~ will folks actually fall for an alien abduction story when, say, one third of the earth's population just disappears??? The truth is, i think a lot of 'em WILL believe it. Cripes.

[snocbor]

i have to wonder, also, about the Rapture ~ will folks actually fall for an alien abduction story when, say, one third of the earth's population just disappears??? The truth is, i think a lot of 'em WILL believe it. Cripes.

Hmmm

[jmt]

what an Interesting post, jmt...
I do definitely believe that AC is a man, but I surely do hope you're wrong about Obama. I think there are some parallel things going on in Europe, which I think AC could also come from.
Do you have any thoughts that the AC will be a clone - makes perfect sense to me, as that would be a human, but also an abomination (imo) - it could easily have happened in those fancy biotech places over there, you know?

mm... you see how much hope and confidence we have on Obama! even yourself you have hope on him:D! for a better US! well i thought we cant clone? anyways i dnt pay attention to the cloning, can you update me? are they getting closer in europe in doing so? btw the way i feel we might have another 7 to 10 yrs left on earth so i discard the cloning part because the clone would be 10 yrs old and the AC will be much older...so i discard that theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eun3u7ScQ

thats a very good video with alot so true signs! part 4 is very good

[jmt]

i have to wonder, also, about the Rapture ~ will folks actually fall for an alien abduction story when, say, one third of the earth's population just disappears??? The truth is, i think a lot of 'em WILL believe it. Cripes.

As for 1/3 disappear is a VERY BIG lie Fyrenza Jesus said that the passage to hell is wide and that the right passage will b narrow and only so many would find it( so Yes theres ppl doomed from there birth to go to hell).
1/3 of earth isnt going into the rapture why? because the earths pop. is 6.7 billion so for 3.2 billion people missing is a lie and if there was that amount of truely righteous ppl here on world! earth wouldnt be the way it is today! so you cant say on how many are going to be saved. Yes in the bible it states that 1/3 will DIE due to sum disaster and thats when the AC does miracles and puts more crops on earth which ppl will fall for.

now Like i stated the devil comes in sheeps clothing..now aliens perfectly explain the reason why mayans and egyptians build there pyramids!(bcuz the UFOs help them build them) but thats a lie. Also those ppl had hundreds of gods so to see a UFO it would be a god when really it just a demon so thats why i feel they interacted with them. Now fast foward into the future and over time ppl collect lots of storys on whats coming from the sky and now in the past 100 yrs we have cameras. So now ppl take pictures and video tapes which are Real sightings of UFO. So our thoughts over the yrs we are conditioned to believe in that stuff. look at the media how it pushes it to the max. In 1950 ppl in NYC where going crazy thinking Aliens came and it was just a Radio show. So now if the Rapture happens it would be a perfect explaination to all the ppl missing alots of christians**, ppl now adays see christains as crazy and would b perfect person to be "taken" away to another planet.

[AdreSac]

Nobody knows who the Antichrist will be, we can only estimate. All that you have said is just a theory of what might happen. I doubt Obama is the Antichrist. 1/3 of the population cant be half of it. 2.15 billion seems more like a valid statistic. G*d knows what happens next, we don't. What we need to do now with all of this information that no one cares about is, become closer to Christ Jesus. Anoint yourself in his words. Stop caring so much about the details, we all know this world is coming to an end whether we accept it or not. Find grace with G*d and our Savior and be safe from the wrath that is about to be unleashed.

[Rudenoodle]

The anti-Christ differs depending on what religious nut you talk to these clues can include:

* Birthplace: The Antichrist will be born somewhere. "Where" is open to debate. Popular candidates include Babylon (which is conveniently located in Iraq), Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Rome. Some people do little numerological games with longitude and latitude to support the candidate of their choosing.

* Astrology: This category generally includes a host of speculations regarding unusual phenomena in the sky coinciding with the birth of the Antichrist. These include but are not limited to lunar eclipses, solar eclipses, comets, supernovae and UFOs. - From http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/antichrist/

Many bigoted morons claim the anti Christ is already here and is an adult male Jew.

To believe in such garbage is counter productive to civilized life.

[Lynnbrown]

Nobody knows who the Antichrist will be, we can only estimate. All that you have said is just a theory of what might happen. I doubt Obama is the Antichrist. 1/3 of the population cant be half of it. 2.15 billion seems more like a valid statistic. G*d knows what happens next, we don't. What we need to do now with all of this information that no one cares about is, become closer to Christ Jesus. Anoint yourself in his words. Stop caring so much about the details, we all know this world is coming to an end whether we accept it or not. Find grace with G*d and our Savior and be safe from the wrath that is about to be unleashed.

Once again, AdreSac, I find you have been able to hit the nail dead on...
the details are interesting to me, but I don't "worry" about it. I guess I find the speculation intriguing.
As far as trying to convince anyone of anything - I'm not, but I do like reading other people's thoughts on this.

[Lynnbrown]

Yeah, the anti-Christ will be a man, and your idea of a clone would be perfect since it's very soul would be an abomination.

Nowadays, with the DNA stuff, i imagine that the Shroud of Turin, the supposed burial wrap used on Jesus, might be just the thing...

i have to wonder, also, about the Rapture ~ will folks actually fall for an alien abduction story when, say, one third of the earth's population just disappears??? The truth is, i think a lot of 'em WILL believe it. Cripes.

Fyrenza - I had forgotten about the Shroud of Turin! Duh, huh?:o

Yeah, I've been reading books for several years that deal with cloning - and if anybody thinks the technology is not out there, and has not been being used in these genetic labs is simply burying their heads in the sand...
and the Shroud of Turin would really be the perfect tool - to me, that just makes sense, And would aid in fulfilling prophesy.

And as far as the majority of people believing an alien abduction story -
easy, peasy - we are the country that actually voted GWBush in (the 2nd time) so Heck Yeah!:p

[Lynnbrown]

mm... you see how much hope and confidence we have on Obama! even yourself you have hope on him:D! for a better US! well i thought we cant clone? anyways i dnt pay attention to the cloning, can you update me? are they getting closer in europe in doing so? btw the way i feel we might have another 7 to 10 yrs left on earth so i discard the cloning part because the clone would be 10 yrs old and the AC will be much older...so i discard that theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eun3u7ScQ

thats a very good video with alot so true signs! part 4 is very good

Regarding cloning - the cloning of mammals was Reported being studied in the 1980's, and as early as the 1960's transfering genetic material to/from fish and insects was Reported.
Dolly, the sheep, was all the talk - and as a result, cloning was outlawed in the US (Not everywhere) - and of course, since it was Outlawed, that stopped it, right?:D I think not.
I feel that by the time something like cloning is reported to the general public, it has already happened Many Times Over.
It is easy to conceive of some of the big-brains geneticists using their own DNA Many years ago, studying, experimenting, etc.
Just because in the US we are Supposed to know everything (and are sadly mistaken if we think we do), other countries don't even pretend that it is the right of every citizen to know everything about everything.

[Varuna]

I don't believe there is any individual who can be solely identified as "The Anti-Christ." It is a cruel lens through which to view humanity. It is a very bad idea to even play with that idea, much less invest your faith in it. Most people do not have enough faith or self-mastery to escape the delusion that surrounds that title.

But, for the sake of clarity, the real question is: Who are YOU in relation to him?

Please, bear with me.

If you think you must ignore truth and meaning, if you think you must be intolerant, fearful, hateful, violent or destructive in the presence of "The Anti-Christ," even if all of those evils are applied to "The Anti-Christ," then you are already a lost servant of whatever he stands for. You would be performing the role yourself, exactly the way you might fear "The Anti-Christ" would be.

On the other hand . . . Look at it this way, when Jesus was facing unspeakable suffering and certain death, scourged and beaten beyond recognition, his entire life hanging from the steel driven through his hands, he had every right to see almost everyone around him as an Anti-Christ.

And what did he do? He prayed for God to "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

What would YOU do?

Peace and Love

[Fyrenza]

...

What would YOU do?


i don't know that i understand, with all of my being, what my mind knows to be true, and in the face of excruciating pain, i would be hating the folks inflicting it, while at the same time recognizing that i once WAS them.

[Hoatzin]

osama, charismatic? does the world love osama the way they love obama?

He's persuaded men to off themselves in the name of Allah. Do you think Obama or Rahm Emanuel could do that?

I find it mildly amusing that you talk about "the world" loving Obama. About 50% of Americans love Obama (and by love I mean "prefer to McCain")!

[Rudenoodle]

It's important to remember most suicide bombers end there lives for a twisted ideology not in the name of a particular individual.

Sometimes the people who die and kill in this way have no extremist ties other than to Allah or the defense of what they consider to be holy land.

Road side bombs are more the style of the militants although they are not above more drastic measures when an example is needed.

[Hoatzin]

It's important to remember most suicide bombers end there lives for a twisted ideology not in the name of a particular individual.

I dunno. A hell of a lot of people who've read the same book don't do the same things.

[xexon]

BS post. the AntiChirst is a person! and the beast is the system, pretty wierd that an anti-zionist would we believe in the thought of the antichrist.
[/I]


Feel free to humor me with your evidence of this claim.

I was raised as a Christian, and while I'm anti-religious now, it doesn't mean that I don't understand how you think. I NEVER subscribed to Christanity as a religion. Even in my youth, I saw the flaws. I now work to release others from their bondage of "belief".

Your beliefs are fixing to help start a world war.

Christianity will be the womb of the Anti-Christ you fear. You make him even now. The fact that you don't undertand zionism as a beast with many heads is a worry.

Because there are so many just like you.



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[Rudenoodle]

I dunno. A hell of a lot of people who've read the same book don't do the same things.

Depends what book your talking about, The Turner Diaries is a hateful read found in the possession of white supremacists and conspiracy nuts (Timothy Mcveigh) time and time again.

And of course "holy texts" throughout the world have been used to advocate murder,torture,genocide,war and bigotry since recorded history.

Books are not dangerous, its people with dangerous ideology's you gotta watch out for. :P

[jmt]

Feel free to humor me with your evidence of this claim.

I was raised as a Christian, and while I'm anti-religious now, it doesn't mean that I don't understand how you think. I NEVER subscribed to Christanity as a religion. Even in my youth, I saw the flaws. I now work to release others from their bondage of "belief".

Your beliefs are fixing to help start a world war.

Christianity will be the womb of the Anti-Christ you fear. You make him even now. The fact that you don't undertand zionism as a beast with many heads is a worry.

Because there are so many just like you.



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this is how i know u hate jews
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/ibanez33150/flag_israel_nazi.gif
your tying in a swastika in the Israel flag?? do you how offense you are?? you nazi ! and if you read the bible god clearly stating in loving his people and country....the jews and Israel, btw im not jewish.

[xexon]

Ooooohhh, a Christian zionist.

The sanctuary will save you from what I have to say about that.

Care to take the discussion outside?



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[xexon]

this is how i know u hate jews
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/ibanez33150/flag_israel_nazi.gif
your tying in a swastika in the Israel flag?? do you how offense you are?? you nazi ! and if you read the bible god clearly stating in loving his people and country....the jews and Israel, btw im not jewish.


You know nothing other than what you've been programmed to know.

I suggest you research the issue.

Do you know that it is illegal for a Christian to witness in Israel? Do you know that the hardcore zionists want an all Jew Israel? That means you as a Christian will NOT be welcome there.

When they're done killing Arabs, you'll be next on the list.

Here's your Anti-Christ: Religion. And it's followers.



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[jmt]

You know nothing other than what you've been programmed to know.

I suggest you research the issue.

Do you know that it is illegal for a Christian to witness in Israel? Do you know that the hardcore zionists want an all Jew Israel? That means you as a Christian will NOT be welcome there.

When they're done killing Arabs, you'll be next on the list.

Here's your Anti-Christ: Religion. And it's followers.



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you just hate jews and zionist period look at the flag your posting WTF does nazis have to do with the flag of israel?

[xexon]

My friend, you are a victim of poor or incomplete information.

You're attempting to do what others have done and brand me as a Jew hater when it simply isn't so.

Zionism in the context that I talk of is a political movement within Judaism. Its NOT the zionism you've been taught as a Christian. Okay?

But its certainly going to assist your version of the Anti-Christ rise to power. Your own scriptures have warned you of this time of a one world government.

Zionism is just that. A one world government run by zionist Jews. You as a Christian will be underneath them. You fail to understand that what you currently support and protect will some day turn and devour you.

Its not about Jews. Its about zionism as a radical movement that bears many hallmarks of the Nazi system. It's racism. It's violence. It's supporters who hope for a new day.

You have no idea what you're doing is going to bring an abomination upon the world.



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[sellekenblour]

Xexon, it is not important, enjoy live!

[Hoatzin]

Depends what book your talking about, The Turner Diaries is a hateful read found in the possession of white supremacists and conspiracy nuts (Timothy Mcveigh) time and time again.

And of course "holy texts" throughout the world have been used to advocate murder,torture,genocide,war and bigotry since recorded history.

Books are not dangerous, its people with dangerous ideology's you gotta watch out for. :P

Indeed.

It's not something I've made up that Osama is regarded as handsome and charismatic though. People are so wrapped up in finding the most controversial and ironic person to declare the Antichrist that they don't see what's going on right under their noses.

[famewalk]

I didn't know Obama's mother was from Heaven, the formless essential capacity for All of Earth and even more when we intend to develop the space program with that (un)Godly bailout money or revenue.
And... Once all of earth is supposed to be focused on the imbicile himself:


,,,, fill out the rest.:cheers2:

[xexon]

Xexon, it is not important, enjoy live!

But I do. Because these beliefs don't affect me personally, I can watch others run around in a state of panic.

Believe it or not, I do this for recreation.

The Anti-Christ isn't something new. We go way back. The difference is we wink at each other as we pass. We are each an essential part of the human world.

Those that don't realize this are prone to all the turbulence that this mix of energy causes.

End of the world? For some of you. Your beliefs will not save you. You have to learn to stay out of the way of this force instead of choosing to participate in it.

It's attractive for a reason.



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[famewalk]

Xexon; read my line like a Jamaican Woman pratling her preaching for the various forms of misunderstanding the bible; I guess the anti-christ comes after a series of prophecies to the MOB rule effect. But I wonder, maybe to John the Divine, who knew of no mobs, there could have occured all kinds of understanding for the loss of the ability to trust each others mere competence at the ... fill out the rest.

Incidentally, I'm to lazy to find out but are pictures essentiallly stored in frames or galleries. The Reality is 'they' in the first case; the 'physical' in the second case. I hate using those software packages which train the computer user to believe in digital chemistry.

Heh, I have a picture here too which was some grafiti under a bridge.

[Holy Ancient Megumi]

What about 666? Let's take a shocking look.

On the Pope's official mitre is the title "Vicarius Filii Dei," which means "Vicar of the Son of God." The claim that this is his official title has been stated publicly through the years. The April 18, 1915 issue of Our Sunday Visitor, states: 'The letters inscribed in the Pope's mitre are these: "VICARIUS FILII DEI," which is Latin for Vicar of the Son of God."

In Revelation 13:18 it says, "Count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)."

Let's do it now and see what we find. Remember the Roman numerals you learned in school?


VICARIUS

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = 0
R = 0
U = 5
S = 0
--------
112


+


FILII

F = 0
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
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53


+


DEI

D = 500
E = 0
I = 1
--------
501


= 666

"U" and "V" have the same value.
Look in your encyclopedia under "Alphabet."

In Greek, Hebrew, and Latin, it comes out the same - "666"


ttry jewish traslation of that they have meanings for names to that is why god os Yavah or something it has meaning in that language to try to use that to jewish is what jesus was and that is is what is related to the fish w the leters in it , and in i hope u get i prayed and tthat is what came through

[famewalk]

And the correction for good measure of the Pythagorean Gap is the 'I' we could have included to add up to 112 rather than 111 (in Vicarius); as a result, 666 is just the symbols not the values of any universe's music.

[Mountain Valley Wolf]

Is anyone aware that text from the Bible was dug up in Egypt last year, dated around the first century AD. The short amount of text was the same as the modern version---but instead of 666, the number used was 616-----I don't recall the details---I've got the article somewheres.

[jmt]

have u guys notice this gaza vs israel war right now? isnt weird how obama president in 18 days;). and also if u notice his been around the world with many different religions just gettin to know them;).

[snocbor]

hmmmmm...

[atla23]

just religious nonsense

[Fyrenza]

Is anyone aware that text from the Bible was dug up in Egypt last year, dated around the first century AD. The short amount of text was the same as the modern version---but instead of 666, the number used was 616-----I don't recall the details---I've got the article somewheres.

Here's a link to what Wiki says about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

[jmt]

just religious nonsense

right.... just dont b surprised when u got a RFID chip on your right hand.:)

[AdreSac]

Just wait 'til Iran gets involved. "Its a bird! Its a plane! oh its just a nuke, nothing special."

[Okiefreak]

The Antichrist has come and gone: Neron Caesar (aka, Nero).

[def zeppelin]

The Antichrist can very well be a state of mind or ideas that prevents us from reaching prosperity. This state of mind will be praised and be seen as the savior to us all, only to lead us to disaster. Many people will be oblivious to it except those that can distinguish the good from the bad. Between what Jesus taught and what Jesus taught against.

With that said, the Antichrist can be commercialism, a disconnect from the transpersonal realm of the human condition (for the sake of remaining 'grounded in reality'), and hierarchical systems. At least that's how I see it.

[jmt]

The Antichrist can very well be a state of mind or ideas that prevents us from reaching prosperity. This state of mind will be praised and be seen as the savior to us all, only to lead us to disaster. Many people will be oblivious to it except those that can distinguish the good from the bad. Between what Jesus taught and what Jesus taught against.

With that said, the Antichrist can be commercialism, a disconnect from the transpersonal realm of the human condition (for the sake of remaining 'grounded in reality'), and hierarchical systems. At least that's how I see it.
no its not, its stated in the bible its a Physical figure

start from the first video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06F-mCVZFLs

[Mountain Valley Wolf]

I've wrestled with the whole Armageddon thing years ago, as a teenager, and came to terms back then with the fact that for me, God is not that kind of a God. He is filled with unconditional love. But this is beyond man's comprehension.

I also learned many years ago that an institution needs to be able to grow and expand in order to be viable and sustainable, this requires very strong reasons to become a member, and a significant means of controlling its members, to retain them and induce them to bring in new members. There has to be an ethical standard of 'do this, or else these terrible consequences will occur.'

The religious institution needs to have a climactic final end point to achieve these means. You can find it in all religious institutions, but it is hard to find, if not impossible, in the older non-institutional spiritualities. In such cases there is no reason to prosyletize, and therefore no concept of this terrible end where only the elite, or especially devout members will survive.

If we look at Native American belief systems, it is harder to find such final concepts in the more noninstitutional spiritualities of nomadic tribes. But the further south you go, where planter societies have formed more of an institutional society such as the Pueblos or the Aztec or Mayan city-states, then you start to see a development of this final times develop. The Mayan calendar with it's final date for this world of 2012 is a planter-based cyclical concept. But people seem to forget that it is cyclical, so when midnight on that final day occurs in 2012, the day will switch to Day 1 of all the next cycles.

In Japan, the indigenous religion of Shinto does not have a final climactic point. But it is not a true religion in the institutional sense. It is an animistic spiritual belief system that imitated the institutional aspect of Buddhism which came later to Japan from China. But if you are born Japanese, you are born Shinto, there is no reason to worry about leaving the belief, because there really are no institutional rules or reasons to be excommunicated, or kicked out or to leave----you're Japanese and so you are shinto, that's all there is to it. There is no reason to prosyletize because, if you are not born Japanese, than you aren't born Shinto---you can certainly study and practice it, and call yourself Shinto, but there is really no way to count you as a member or nonmember, so that is up to you as a non-Japanese.

Buddhism on the other hand was an institution, and it has an end point. Many centuries ago, Japanese Buddhist holy men were predicting that the Buddhist end times were near. Shortly after, political turmoil ensued and Japan went through a rough time. It was declared as the end of the world. In the end it was a period of religious, political and societal transition and evolution. But Japan survived it. I have never heard a Japanese Buddhist deny that this ancient period was not the Buddhist end times.

From that standpoint, and from the historical context of the Bible and the period that followed (such as the entires about Nero), I don't fret over that. That's why I was not surprised when they dug up evidence that the original 'evil' number may not have even been 666.

[Hoatzin]

have u guys notice this gaza vs israel war right now? isnt weird how obama president in 18 days;). and also if u notice his been around the world with many different religions just gettin to know them;).

So have most world leaders, including America's last one, our last one, our current one... The only "end of the world" that's likely to point to is global warming caused by aviation exhaust!

Obama isn't the Anti-Christ. I know. Don't ask me how I know. I just know.

[xexon]

The Anti-Christ has indeed come and gone. At least from the original author's point of view.

What remains behind is a concept that one person or movement can cause a polarization of civilization.

Religion is a favorite and time honored tool among those who wish to control the world. Zionism wields it like a Samurai and his sword.

Know when you've been had.



x

[jmt]

Obama isn't the Anti-Christ. I know. Don't ask me how I know. I just know.

yeh ur right. their two things his missing him being of jewish decent and being gay

[def zeppelin]

Jesus' Message: Hope and change and expressed by using parables.

What would be an idolized version of Jesus' message?

[CanniEvergrow]

Holey Moley JMT! That picture drives my dial up crazy! --Wow! I just saw this thread. I read bout the first 2 pages. The ac is real and he's phisical. Hes still alive from when God threw him and his demons down here. lucifer's theyr leader just like it says in the Book. Ther rest ofem are just his fallowers. They got thrown down here long ago when they got expelled from Heavin. They got some shitty ships and stuff. Whatever God lettem get away with when He kikktem out. They been here since then makin people vain and underhandedly gettin the societies to build theyr ships. Nothins changed. They still want what they wanted from the start of the rebelion. They want to rule Heavin. The reasons for them startin tek down here was many fauceted but one of the main sparkles they got out of it was space ships. They wanna get back to Heavin. The devils what most folks'd call an alien. hes a fallen angel. I think that He actually knows that he cant win but he just cant stop himself. Ya know, like when ya just gotta hit the big guy even tho ya know your gonna get your ass kikkt. --Hey, waddaya's think them crazy ass particle coliders are? I think they might be tryinna make a door into Heavin and attakkem from the inside. I think they might be tryinna pop rite in onem rite in the middle. If Gods ships of Light start shootin at them coliders I wont be surprized! I shure hope Im watchin from a ship! Me and my wife. Im prayin that God forgives me and my wife and all those we love. It takes lotsa concentration and sometimes a long time, and my knees and back are arthritic but I do it even tho its hard to get into bed after. I pray He forgives us and takes us into His bossom when He comes to collect His chozen. I pray He choozes us for Himself.

[jmt]

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/elizabethames07/Spainn/king_juan_carlos_spain_espana.jpg

[jmt]

also Tony Blair also since his being or trying to be the President of the EU.

[JusSumguy]

The antichrist (correct translation is "instead of Christ") will take the form of a real man.

It will be very easy to tell who he is when he comes.

It tells us in the bible that he (the beast) will tell us, and try to convince us, that he is the savior. Something Jesus will not have to do. For everyone will know in an instant when Jesus descends.

In fact, Jesus tells us to look for just this thing. Among others.


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[jmt]

The antichrist (correct translation is "instead of Christ") will take the form of a real man
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are you sure?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti

ANTI: one that is opposed


so we already know what christ means so if you put the word together

against-christ.

dnt know where your getting your info from.

[JusSumguy]

are you sure?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti

ANTI: one that is opposed


so we already know what christ means so if you put the word together

against-christ.

dnt know where your getting your info from.

Of course I'm wrong if you use the dictionary to define antichrish.

What I'm trying to tell you is that the correct translation is instead of Christ. Maybe they thought that it made more sense in context with the rest of the translations. But, never the less, time and time again they translated the word for instead into anti. Which is a close relative, but not the same.

I really don't know that it makes any difference anyway. Which is prolly their reason. It's just something that you should be aware of.


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[jmt]

ok...thanks.