Should Hip Forums Have a Scientology Forum?

[Skip]

Should Hip Forums Have a Scientology Forum?

Several people have asked why we don't have one.

We have a number of reasons. What are yours?

[Fred vom Jupiter]

They are here already. If want to give them an Advertizing Platform, go ahead. I doubt they would use it a long as its in a Cult Section, thought.

[iaxiloll]

Obvious Poll is obvious;)

[Xac]

Yeah they should have a forum, not that i am pro scientologist but why not give people a forum to discuss it? maybe some ex-sci's can give advice to current sci? Although obviously Skip it will mean alot more moderation for the site, much like the Christian forum... although personally i loved watching anti's have a go at the preachers... my internet drama :)

[does2]

I would like to think hate is an equal opportunity kind of thing.

[Vox Populi]

Rename this forum = "Scientology - a place to learn about it"

[Anoni Domini]

i vote no, because the only ones ya'll gonna get are the one's like Alex and Openmind... the grass roots scilons that we would love to discuss stuff with would not be allowed to come here

[iaxiloll]

i vote no, because the only ones ya'll gonna get are the one's like Alex and Openmind... the grass roots scilons that we would love to discuss stuff with would not be allowed to come here

^^^^Means the cult would not let them.

[DiamondAnastasia]

Well to TBH I would say have a sub foum here with in the Anon board for Scientology



Anonymous vs Scientology
The group Anonymous is fighting to end the abuses of the Church of Scientology.

Subforum, Scientology.



Scientology.
What is it about?

[Vox Populi]

The ONLY reason they want one is to offer validation of legitimacy. The is NO reason they can't discuss anything here.

(you see how open they are)

[ChilliTime]

I'd say "no" - if you added a Sci forum, they'd consider it an upstat (no matter where it was) and use you to snare more people: "Come join Scientology. As endorsed by the Hip Forums.", "Skip says we're cool.", "Scientology was today honoured by the members of the Hip Forums for their great humanitarian efforts during natural disasters" etc. (FYI: they go in after things like 9/11 and the Boxing Day tsunami and stop people from getting proper grief counseling and aid.)

The PR and spin from the cult is second to none, and it would get twisted to look as if you practically BEGGED them to come on over and help save your ass.

Only difference between putting them in the "cult" section and the "religion/philosophy" section is the amount of bawwwwwing you'd get - and they'd pull loads of new members in here to bitch and moan for as long as it took to get it moved.

--Chilli

[Vox Populi]

Only difference between putting them in the "cult" section and the "religion/philosophy" section is the amount of bawwwwwing you'd get - and they'd pull loads of new members in here to bitch and moan for as long as it took to get it moved.

--Chilli

That might be fun!

[Tim Krewz]

"Should Hip Forums Have a Scientology Forum?"


Is Hipforums ready for batshit insane religious freaks? Google Barbara Schwarz or look here for her >
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/topics

While you are at it, check on Roadrunner also.

Happy moderating, hippies.

[ChilliTime]

That might be fun!

Sure, for Anons it probably would be... :) Not too sure what our hosts would think of the increased workload modding a load of scilon trolls, but I'm sure they're more than capable of looking after themselves. ;)

Personally, I'd rather not grant the cult an upstat like that... it's something that they could probably milk at the psychic fairs and so on for a very long time afterwards. Plus I'd expect them go out into the rest of the forum and recruit like mad - if they're not already. That's not to say anyone here would fall for it, but it'd piss me off if I had to put up with that.

--Chilli

[Skip]

Is Hipforums ready for batshit insane religious freaks?

Happy moderating, hippies.

LOL! You shoulda been here when Fedup American was in full swing. He kept the Christian forum as lively as this one. He would bait them constantly.

We got lots of fundamentalists in here telling us hippies would rot in hell, etc.

It was quite entertaining for a long time.

But he finally got too nasty and turned on us, so he had to go along with hundreds of anti-christian threads he'd started.

[Skip]

Sure, for Anons it probably would be... :) Not too sure what our hosts would think of the increased workload modding a load of scilon trolls, but I'm sure they're more than capable of looking after themselves. ;)

Personally, I'd rather not grant the cult an upstat like that... it's something that they could probably milk at the psychic fairs and so on for a very long time afterwards. Plus I'd expect them go out into the rest of the forum and recruit like mad - if they're not already. That's not to say anyone here would fall for it, but it'd piss me off if I had to put up with that.

--Chilli
Not that much extra workload. Actually since our last upgrade modding is much more of a breeze. We can ban & delete all a users posts in one stroke. We have around 30 supermods who roam the forums, plus many of our members report shit very quickly.

I doubt that mentioning the HipForums would add any cred to Scientology or help their recruiting efforts.

I mentioned this once before, and I'll bring it up again...

I am willing to act as a mediator between the CoS and anyone else. I have a special diplomat hat I wear for that. Seriously, I can be somewhat impartial and fair should the desire be there to actually try to talk this shit out.

That would be one reason for the Scientology forum. To mediate the issues between you.

I've written Alex and offered to help and even suggest ways that Scientology can change their methods to address the concerns you have.

I know it's probably just wishful thinking to think that a Church can change it's ways, but look at the Catholic Church these days. It's in crisis.

There is much to be gleaned from the lawsuits against the Catholic church & other denominations.

Child abuse lawsuits like those against the Catholic Church, or even that recent one against those polygamist Mormons must give the CoS pause and make them fear a similar strategy.

The time for more transparency and a change in protocols is now for CoS. To delay further will put them even more at odds with the prevailing mindset against child abuse, cults, secrecy, questionable methods and contracts, etc.

I think they can still save their Church if they have the balls to make a few changes. Otherwise a few good class-actions suits could bring them down faster than the WTC.

[iaxiloll]

From my point of view, the more Scilons we have here the better. I do not think it will work cos Scilons are everything but open but like I said. Bring it on.

Edit: All it will do is expose more fail.

[Skip]

whats to mediate?
Anonymous wants the COS destroyed
the COS has issue with that

we are at an impass
Well you might need to deal with them directly over certain issues, including legal ones.

Think about this...

The greatest failing of the Bush Administration was it's refusal to negotiate with anyone labeled "the enemy". All that does is create a war that never ends. And makes those who refuse to negotiate look like complete failfags.

Ultimately there must be negotiation, even if destruction is the net result.

Oh, and the Bush Admin didn't actually fail by not negotiating. That was their mission, to keep the war alive, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF WAR, because their friends are making so much $$$ from it!

So if some of you only want to fight scientology for the sake of fighting, then I sure hope you're profiting from it, cause otherwise it's a lost cause.

[anonbrit]

I believe Lulz can be classsed as profit.

[Skip]

Thus far the votes are for putting a forum in the Cult section, which is the way I'm leaning too. Apparently enough Anonymous can see a good reason to do this.

I'd still like to see the CoS somehow support this forum (HF) if that is going to be the case.

As I said b4 it's better PR for them to show they support free speech in some way, than to just let us bash them without letting them get their say.

I know there will only be a few authorized Scis posting, but as some have said, others might come out of the woodwork. And I've already said to Alex one precondition would be to allow ALL Scientologists to access this site to post there. Otherwise it's just a pure PR channel that I'm sure you guys would troll endlessly.

[anonbrit]

You cannot negotiate with scientology. Their whole doctrine is either it's their way or you will be eliminated without sorrow.

[Skip]

What happened to Alex anyway? Is he too busy dealing with your actions today?

[Skip]

You cannot negotiate with scientology. Their whole doctrine is either it's their way or you will be eliminated without sorrow.Ummm, you might be surprised. They seem to be on the defensive so much these days, it must be wearing thin.

I also have a feeling your actions will soon get much more media play, esp. in the USA. It's all downhill for them if they don't start to negotiate soon.

Is there a thread yet discussing current and pending legal actions against the church?

Also do you guys need a bit more forum organization? By that I mean a few more forums to arrange threads for easier reference?

[Vox Populi]

What happened to Alex anyway? Is he too busy dealing with your actions today?

She generally works the ESMB forums.

[anonbrit]

By giving this business a sub-forum you are in their eyes legitimizing their religious status.:eek:

Only handlers come into this site so they should only be allowed into this sub-forum to talk about their views.

[Vox Populi]

Ummm, you might be surprised. They seem to be on the defensive so much these days, it must be wearing thin.

I also have a feeling your actions will soon get much more media play, esp. in the USA. It's all downhill for them if they don't start to negotiate soon.

Is there a thread yet discussing current and pending legal actions against the church?

Also do you guys need a bit more forum organization? By that I mean a few more forums to arrange threads for easier reference?

Negotiations are something they will agree to, but their doctrines do not allow for it. It is only used as a tool to delay or use to their advantage. IF they do agree, they will NOT follow the agreement. They are above our laws and rules, they are only accountable to KSW.

YES, we could used some spread.

[avbb]

blah blah blah something something

Skip, someone keep shitting in the threads.

It's like finding a big black hair in the middle of your sandwich. Ewww!

[zanoni]

Should it it be a forum and have this anonymous forum inside it? Scientology came first and is a religion with millions of members in the world, anonymous are some kids paid to attack Scientology.

I'm only 14 and Pfizer pays me $10,000 a month to fuck you up.

Who's laughing now.

[zanoni]

anonymous does not deserve to be in the cult section

Skip thinks Chanology is a cult. Or maybe he was just trolling.

[Skip]

Skip thinks Chanology is a cult. Or maybe he was just trolling.Actually I think I said you "act like a cult". But that was during our flirtation period, when I said a lot of things based upon your initial behavior. That was your Hip Acid Test. ;)

Again, I don't really "act like a troll". I confront. I can do a lot more too, as you may have noticed...

[1HandGang]

Should it it be a forum and have this anonymous forum inside it? Scientology came first and is a religion with millions of members in the world, anonymous are some kids paid to attack Scientology.

Millions of members? DOX or STFU

[Skip]

Should it it be a forum and have this anonymous forum inside it? Scientology came first and is a religion with millions of members in the world, anonymous are some kids paid to attack Scientology.Openmind, new sock puppet today? Why should I keep letting you come back? To post more vile images?

[zanoni]

Should it it be a forum and have this anonymous forum inside it? Scientology came first and is a religion with millions of members in the world, anonymous are some kids paid to attack Scientology.

This ^^^ kind of tragic rubbish is why people can quickly spot the difference between anonymous and a crime syndicate dressed up as a cult.

Thanks, Openmind4414. You do our work for us. Anonymous is at cause. You are hereby commanded to continue sucking on the cock of fail.

[L Fraud Hubbard]

I would think that we would fall right into place here? The ones you may have a problem with, once our site is up they probably won't return. Some of us I think would like to stay and have a forum to discuss the topic here also?

That's just my thoughts.

[ArnieLerma]

Should it it be a forum and have this anonymous forum inside it? Scientology came first and is a religion with millions of members in the world, anonymous are some kids paid to attack Scientology.

Its like the old mcdonalds signs that said 10 million sold! I am sure 10 million people have been fooled at some point by one of Ron's lies.. there was even court case where Heber mentioned the way they counted that 10 million... which I will paraphrase for entertainment and "joking and degrading" value.. "Over ten million fooled into buying something at some point in time"

Sorry, maybe 50,000 members maybe a lot less. IAS member ship is even lower

see http://www.Lermanet.com/howmany.htm

Openmind, in Dianetics you were conviced that you 'had a reactive mind" well, in Dianetics you learned that the supposed reactive mind is also called 'the bank', and you know you must get rid of your bank, right? Hubbard repeats that over and over in that book, Did you ever notice how many times Hubbard repeated that idea? Have you also noticed how hard it is to resist the reg when he demands money from you??

(from your bank account)??

think about this...

"The scientology demo-kit conditions scientologists to assign meaning to pieces of rubbish" which does help when learning scientology!

[Buttons/]

So they claim 10 million and it's really more like 50,000?
So how do they sustain the myth?

[ArnieLerma]

So they claim 10 million and it's really more like 50,000?
So how do they sustain the myth?


Joseph Goebbels: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it

Thomas Gandow, 60, chief spokesman on religious cults for the German Protestant Church, described Scientology as a "totalitarian organisation" and said that Mr Cruise had become "the Goebbels of Scientology". LINK (http://lermanet.com/scientologynews/england/cruise-goebbels-of-scientology.htm)

"Respected German historian Guido Knopp has compared a speech by US actor Tom Cruise to the Church of Scientology with a call to war by Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels. LINK (http://www.lermanet.com/tom-cruise-goebbels.htm)

[Buttons/]

Openmind4414-
Any response to Arnie?

[bonez]

Well Skip,


If you want an Scientology forum, it should go under the masturbation forum. The reason I say this, its all about being self fulfillment with no regard to others. Or rather, it should go under the Propaganda forum.


Thxbai

[Xac]

I dont see why it shouldn't actually be in the cult section, i get the idea, it is suppose to be rude. But if you actually look at what 'cult' really means, such as the mystery cults of ancient Greece or Rome, you'll see that 'cult' is really a system of intiation through secrecy. Really anonymous also fits this bill, as do Freemasons as well as countless smaller groups.

Im not saying anon and cos are the same, i just thought it should be mentioned with all this talk of cults that mass suicide and nikes aren't prerequisites.

[ChilliTime]

Well Skip,
If you want an Scientology forum, it should go under the masturbation forum.


LMAO!

[Skip]

I've posted this back here to show why this forum was created and placed under Cults.