Economic collapse immanent? [Archive]

OneVoice

10-19-2008, 06:05 AM

Spaced06

10-19-2008, 06:27 AM

I hope some people are will be willing to trade suplies for art if the economy collapses. I doubt it, but it'd be nice.

hippiehillbilly

10-19-2008, 02:33 PM

ive said this was coming for over a year here and oddly enough some have chastised me and called me a fearmonger .
i never expected some family of all people to be so blind and have so much faith in babylon to make it all better so i gave up trying to discuss it here.

yes a collapse is coming,yes its going to be unlike any of us could have imagined..

we have till somewhere between February to June of 2009 to finish our preparations and prepare for 3 to 5 years of hyperinflation and massive unemployment.we should see a extended period of deflation leading up to the beginning of the inflation so take advantage of the falling prices while you can.

it should be noted that this will come along with more than likely civil unrest,food and fuel shortages and quite possibly at some point marshal law..

i am very well read on the subject,i consider myself to be prepared for whats coming as well.i would be happy to discuss this further and give advice with anyone that is taking this seriously.

however i will not waste my time on naysayers and trolls who believe the very people that have created this crisis give a rats ass about any of us and can or will stop this from happening..

shameless_heifer

10-19-2008, 03:58 PM

I hope some people are will be willing to trade supplies for art if the economy collapses. I doubt it, but it'd be nice...................................There probably wont be much trade for cultural items.. mostlikely if anything it would be a barter system for food, water, clothing/shoes , ammo and that type of thing..best to grow a crop or make mocosines or something that ppl will need to survive.. we may have to hunkerdown for SEVEN yrs.. that's a long time..I'm kinda wondering how we are gonna feed our livestock in the winter when the pastures don't yeild..... WE have pastures on two sides of us, but the land is owned by.. well not a sharing type dude (cattleman)..he bought up all the land around us from a good neighbor who passed away.. it kept ppl from moving in around us..but there are ppl we don't know starting to build big ole expensive houses all around the area.. that worries me too.. bc we don't know where they stand or if they will hit 'the report button' on us..they ( new ones) don't know us either and think us a bunch of 'crazy hippies' The old neighbors, says they feel safe while taking their walks by our 'corner' they call it Clanton's Corner.. we know where they stand.. same as us.. but them new city folks.. they are hard to figure........ as 'hunting' season is approaching.. and shells/bullets will be going on sale..we are gonna stock up while the price is a little lower..that's what everyone I know is getting for xmas....................HHB how does your solor dehydrator work for meat/jerky??....

hippiehillbilly

10-19-2008, 05:52 PM

we are devoting a acre to growing amaranth for our animals SH,the whole plant is edible and the grain is double the protein value as all stock.
it may be something you want to look in to.also we intend on reducing our herd size so that between that,the silage we save from our corn etc,the fallen leaves we should be able to get the goats and chickens through the winters without them suffering.

OneVoice

10-19-2008, 08:56 PM

A few goats for milk, and a few cattle.... if you cant feed them with what you grow yourself, you might as well sell them... I don't think it's ecological, or sustainable, or kind to try and take care of a large group of animals...

chickens.. well, they're pretty easy to feed anyways.

I'm at a school right now called the "Titanic Lifeboat academy" (lifeboat.postcarbon.org)

these guys are pretty "apocalyptic"... I'm full of hope and faith and Love.... but yeah... shit's happening...

be aware, be prepared... watch out for what they don't tell you on the news...

Love

p.s. it's probably a good idea to have seeds of different kinds on hand... they're cheap, and probably will become more valuable as time goes on...

hippiehillbilly

10-19-2008, 09:01 PM

anyone buying seeds should be sure that they are heirloom seeds so that you can save seed for the next years planting..

lostdazedintime

10-19-2008, 09:28 PM

dont forget to build a still while you can still get copper.

hippiehillbilly

10-19-2008, 09:29 PM

thankfully i dont have that vice anymore..

FireflyInTheDark

10-19-2008, 09:35 PM

I did that last year, hillbillie. Failed miserably at growing them, but I've got them, and I saved what I did harvest! :p

Thanks for the link, OneVoice. That should be an interesting site to explore.

hippiehillbilly

10-20-2008, 03:09 PM

HHB how does your solor dehydrator work for meat/jerky??....

we havent tried the dehydrator for meat.. i just built a cold smoke smoker for that.
havent used it yet,hunting season just opened saturday and i always lay back an give the deer a few weeks to think this area is safe. once they all congregate and get comfy and complacent is when i go into the woods,,makes hunting much easier..:p

we have a couple wethers that we are going to slaughter some time next month as well so the cold smoker will be getting a workout soon enough..
going to try our hand at salt curing as well.

our aim is to be able to go without electricity indefinitely. we completed the root cellar a few weeks back so we are inching closer.. self sustainability is a long slow row to hoe as you know...

zihger

10-20-2008, 11:25 PM

So... I've browsed around and have expected to see this thread come up here, or on a.g.r. I don't keep up on AGR that much so maybe it's there and I havn't seen it... anyways... I thought I'd throw it out there...

We very well may be on the way into the "Second Great Depression" fuel has been on a steady increase for a few years, food prices have gone up sharply over the past year... and have you ever heard of "Peak Oil"????

I'm just trying to open a conversation here, so I don't have much else to say except that if you aren't growing your own food, and making yourself less dependent upon "The Machine," you may find yourself in trouble...

any thoughts??

Love

p.s. attendance at gatherings could be going up pretty quick pretty soon... I know I'm down!

I believe a large depression is in the near future, I feel positive about it.
I don’t think it is the end of the world just the end of the world as we know it.

The end of the U.S. being the ultimate super power consumer, the end of people driving a 8 cylinder SUV 40 miles one way to work coming home to a 5 bedroom home in the suburbs and eating TV dinners and making sure the kids have taken their Ritalin.

Every generation has had a End of the world as they know it in the 60s people thought the world was over. In the 70s mass people thought the oil peak was here and went hiding in the woods until they got board and hungry. In the 80s people though there would be a nuclear holocaust. On 2000 people thought the Illuminati would take over the world and kill 90% of the people and implant microchips.

People are always predicting some disaster and then when troubling times come they freak out.

I do agree that we need to become less dependant on the machine because the machine is non sustainable with out oil it is in big trouble. The massive American urban sprawl is completely non-sustainable the huge home the huge cars the massive commutes.

I am lucky and live around quite a few aware people and a lot of folks are working very hard to build alternative living structures that will be sustainable.

I am hoping for and end to a lot of destructive garbage and the beginning of a lot of better things.

It is up to us to create the better things we want and the things we want our children to inherit.

OneVoice

10-21-2008, 06:52 PM

Every generation has had a End of the world as they know it in the 60s people thought the world was over. In the 70s mass people thought the oil peak was here and went hiding in the woods until they got board and hungry. In the 80s people though there would be a nuclear holocaust. On 2000 people thought the Illuminati would take over the world and kill 90% of the people and implant microchips.

people were afraid of things... and the man on top placated them.... the people in power know the condition of the world... apparently it's part of the plan.... not my plan though....

The Revolution is NOW.... and the most powerful thing we can do is to not spend money... every dollar earned or spent goes towards destroying the earth.... **DON'T FEED THE ANIMALS(powermongers i mean)** grow food, save seeds, boycott the grocery store....

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

it's 2 hours long... but if you really want to understand what's going on these days... watch the whole thing...

rainbowgeek

10-21-2008, 08:08 PM

Yes, so much of even the good Family I know seems in denial about the situation. Unwilling to change their lives to build sustainability, unwilling to work together. Some of us are out here trying to get prepared though!

Love and Light,
Joshua of the Reading Rainbow

hippiehillbilly

10-21-2008, 08:13 PM

listen to the latest predictions outta half past human.. we have less than 9 months if they are correct..:eek:

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Oct2008/7wz61g/rense_102008_hr2.mp3

zihger

10-21-2008, 09:19 PM

people were afraid of things... and the man on top placated them....

This is why I am skeptical about a planned melt down. The sheep are already headed to the way they want..

People are already giving their kids chemical lobotomies all our commercial goods have scan tags all transactions can be tracked.

Most people would already accept a chip… and more so every year. Why scare them?

No more 100 channels in a comfy home and retirement , so now people are going to go hungry and get mad at the Gov,

It could be all planned but that’s just too shallow to accept with out info to back it. Most of these theories and prediction are pretty shallow with not much to back them up. If you accept every conspiracy theory you will just be a confused skizo head case.

This planned meltdown theory needs more info to it, leaks from inside people, smoking guns, expert pointing out mistakes. ect.

zihger

10-22-2008, 12:55 AM

I have been watching a debate on the situation that has some good points in it. If you can handle Alex Jones he pretty much hogs the show drumming up the conspiracy theory but it is interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOAUzj5buuw&feature=related

inlakesh

10-22-2008, 02:44 AM

so guys an economic collapse hey? well doesnt sound to promising although i do look forward to all the tent cities and camps that will start to form soon.all those rainbow gathering experiences will come in handy. anyhow hippiehillbilly, what do you suggest people like me in the city do while we go through the stages of deflation into hyper inflation. i mean i think we should all gather somewhere outside and get out of the cities and meet somewhere to create a safehaven. we are stronger in numbers, and if this thing is going to hit the fan with fema camps martial law and a depression. i'm looking for direction . if the time is now..we need to get a close knit group of people all over the place to help create a space where women and children can come and feel safe. so according to cliff and george at halfpasthuman.com http://halfpasthuman.com we have 9 months give or take a few days. there are certain things we need to buy now b4 they are not available in the stores anymore becuz when the economy goes so do goods made in china or where ever else we americans enjoy the benefit of having low priced goods made..ok so ideas come one come all. i wanna see us come together and think, and think long about what needs to be done. we all can contribute and help each other.calling all warriors to reply with their thoughts on the future that is upon us.
as above so below , as within so without.

blessings

Inlakesh

hippiehillbilly

10-22-2008, 03:00 AM

top priority for anyone is food IMO..stores will quickly empty and dumpsters are not going to be a option if things get bad..to be honest,ive been outta the city so long i have no idea what advice to give to those there..
get out?
pray it doesnt get as bad as they say???

i know i wouldnt want to be in one. as far as what to get otherwise while you can,anything you dont already have to survive without a infrastructure for however long you think is necessary. i recommend a minimum of 30 days.dont forget the toilet paper..;)

truth is that they are warning us something big and bad is coming.
both these comments are from this weekend.

from joe biden,

“Mark my words,” Mr. Biden warned at the Seattle fund-raiser, according to reports from network producers traveling with him, “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.” (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/bidens-crisis-remarks-reverberate/)

then colin powell says ,

"theres going to be a crisis come along the twenty first or twenty second of january that we dont even know about right now".(WTF does that mean?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LDBOPcHpeo (2:40 into the video)

if the "crisis" turns out to be a "terrorist attack" then the cities could very well go into lockdown and then who knows what from there.doesnt seem like a place i would want to be..
like i said though i just dont know..

musiklover77

10-22-2008, 03:39 AM

Man! I finally got a house to have preps!!!! Only been here 4 months running out of $$$$ for preps!!! Have about 4 months worth of food...

Whattcha think is gonna happen?

Hope my fam is going to be o..k they live quite close to the city.

OneVoice

10-22-2008, 04:49 AM

This is why I am skeptical about a planned melt down. The sheep are already headed to the way they want..

It could be all planned but that’s just too shallow to accept with out info to back it. Most of these theories and prediction are pretty shallow with not much to back them up. If you accept every conspiracy theory you will just be a confused skizo head case.

This planned meltdown theory needs more info to it, leaks from inside people, smoking guns, expert pointing out mistakes. ect.

again... http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ This goes beyond theory...

(Quote from an earlier post) "In the 70s mass people thought the oil peak was here and went hiding in the woods until they got board and hungry."

Oil production in the USA *DID* peak in the 70's... that's when we started buying LOTS more foreign oil... (hmm... I wonder why there's so much war going on in the region of the world with most of what oil is left)

The problem with oil is that we keep using more of it... since the 1950s our consumption of oil has *DOUBLED* every 10 years...

this stuff goes way beyond theory... but you have to look at the information available... not that it's on the front pages of the news paper, or on tv, since those are all owned or financed by the people at the top who would like to keep you out of the know....

love and light

zihger

10-22-2008, 05:44 AM

OneVoice

10-22-2008, 05:58 AM

My best suggestion is to get out of cities, and get involved in a community which is already working towards sustainability... there's already plenty rainbow places like this... I'm not too familiar with what's happening in the NE so I can't give you anything specific... follow your knows

so guys an economic collapse hey? well doesnt sound to promising although i do look forward to all the tent cities and camps that will start to form soon.all those rainbow gathering experiences will come in handy. anyhow hippiehillbilly, what do you suggest people like me in the city do while we go through the stages of deflation into hyper inflation. i mean i think we should all gather somewhere outside and get out of the cities and meet somewhere to create a safehaven. we are stronger in numbers, and if this thing is going to hit the fan with fema camps martial law and a depression. i'm looking for direction . if the time is now..we need to get a close knit group of people all over the place to help create a space where women and children can come and feel safe. so according to cliff and george at halfpasthuman.com http://halfpasthuman.com we have 9 months give or take a few days. there are certain things we need to buy now b4 they are not available in the stores anymore becuz when the economy goes so do goods made in china or where ever else we americans enjoy the benefit of having low priced goods made..ok so ideas come one come all. i wanna see us come together and think, and think long about what needs to be done. we all can contribute and help each other.calling all warriors to reply with their thoughts on the future that is upon us.
as above so below , as within so without.

blessings

Inlakesh

OneVoice

10-22-2008, 06:03 AM

I’ve seen zeitgeistmovie.com/ and tons of other books movie theories ect.

A person could spend a life time in conspiracy theories a lot of people think peak oil is a conspiracy..

You just have to look at a lot of sources and decide what YOU believe.

But people will ALWAYS be calling the end of the world forever. It is rather boring after a while.

I don't have much patience for conspiracies myself....

my best information tells me that I'd better be ready for anything and everything...

complacency is not going to be helpful here...

I'm on the road, and as long as there are still vehicles I can hitch rides on I feel safe knowing many places throughout the country which are living sustainably, or close enough for me... one thing I've focused on this summer is cultivating my wild foraging skills...

I'm the kind of person who doesn't believe it's going to rain untill it hits me on the head... but if it's looking cloudy, I like to be close to shelter...

inlakesh

10-22-2008, 06:22 AM

ok guys thanx for the responses. get out get out get out seems like the 3 signs i keep seeing everywhere. so i suppose a small bug out bag with things like a toothbrush, batteries, flashlight, and things to barter with. maybe some silver. it would be nice to connect with some folks who are practicing living sustainably and practicing foraging skills. why is everyone just sitting there while they are just blatently suggesting in your face that there will be some sort of generated catastrophic event. yes i did hear what joe biden and mr. collen powell said yesterday .they are telling us what is going to happen and my family still thinks the the corperation called the united states is going to take care of them. take care of you it will, from the cradle to the grave. this is just too much, conspiracy fact not conspiracy theory. and zeitgeist 2 is out and i've seen it....sounds good, i'd be interested the the venus project as long as they didn't get too dogmatic and try to make a religion out of it. still looking for direction. any more advice would be good advice. thanx and blessings to you all. i love you. as above so below, as within so without

hippiehillbilly

10-22-2008, 02:41 PM

my thoughts on "conspiracies".

its now irrelevant if the conspiracies are true,it no longer matters if this was orchestrated or not. IT IS HAPPENING!!

the time has come to no longer focus on educating people on the shadow government and there goals.the time to prepare is upon us.

we shouldnt be suggesting folks watch or read things that most find to far fetched to believe,we should be showing them the proof thats out there of our imminent economic collapse and now these warnings that our leaders are talking about.
we should be encouraging folks to prepare for what is to come,not waste our energy on something that when it comes down to it,cant be proven..

that being said i encourage all to take steps to prepare for whas coming.
i posted this in another thread and just remembered it and so i will repost it here in hopes it will help those in the cities.

1. Use your own observations of any unusual activity around financial institutions, ATM's, food retailers, fuel outlets, camping stores and gun retailers.
Things to look for are long lines, restrictions on purchases, retail stock levels, any additional security, private or otherwise around retailers, utilities and specific state and Fed government buildings and installations.
Any unusual or increased road traffic both civilian, police and military.

2. Know where your family and friends are at all times, have contingency plans in place and rehearse them. Have safe places planned in case they cannot get home or you lose contact with them.

3. Find alternate road routes from the normal highways and main roads, practice using them night and day from both directions.

4. Have ready cash on hand, as much as you can get. Profiteers will reduce your buying power.

5. Buy extra prescription and over the counter medication.

6. Keep your fuel tanks topped up, and additional fuel in storage.

7. Keep a small back pack close at hand in your vehicle with basic essentials in case you have to abandon your vehicle and walk to a pre designated safe place or home.

8. Review and rehearse your home security, emergency lighting, alternate cooking, heating options and, evacuation (last option)

9. Know how to safely get home on foot if transportation fails.

10. Use what ever and all information resources at your disposal to keep appraised of the situation.

11. Other last minute preps, prioritize and act on them.

12. Have at least 7 days non perishable food and drinking water on hand. (preferably a 30 day supply.)

13.In the event of power outage,Consume your perishable refrigerated food first and ration it, don't over consume it.

What ever you do, don't panic. It is highly infectious and is counter productive in a situation where calm logic is essential.

PS. just to lighten up a bit, lots of toilet paper please. ;)

I sincerely hope these thoughts have been beneficial to someone out there concerned with the possibilities that could arise from our current situation.
If anyone cares to add to the list please feel free to do so as im sure i left something out..:)

shameless_heifer

10-22-2008, 03:40 PM

I got somethings to add.. crank radios and crank flashlights.. no batteries.. dried foods/freeze dried//vacumed sealed.. light and easy to store..walkie talkies (crankup), compus.. maybe one that is made into a waterproof watch... I would suggest that ppl get a few books on survival and Read them and have them with your gear so you can use them as refference.. get light ones, paperback.. and put them in a plastic bag.. go to the Army/Navy store and buy survival gear/boots ect.. they're made well and holds up better.. and all that what HHB said..

hippiehillbilly

10-22-2008, 03:57 PM

more tips for city folks.
a blog from someone who lived through the argentina collapse in buenos aires.while i dont agree with everything he says because i think we are of a different culture he has a wealth of knowledge to share.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

ideas for a bug out bag,
http://www.backpackfever.com/2007/08/28/bugout-bag-faq/
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/72hourkit/

urban survival essentials..

http://www.kingsley-hughes.com/outdoors/bushcraft/survival/ten_essential_survival_items.php

zihger

10-23-2008, 03:09 AM

I am sure you guys can tell by my posts that I am skeptical about conspiracy theories; I’m not saying they are not true, large amounts of them unravel and do turn out to be true factual conspiracies.

But I do believe that we will have a Large economic depression I have watch a lot of very reputable financial people talk about this and predict it years ago. Most financial experts being realistic agree that a lot of other factors are going to unravel.
Not just unemployed janitors or bi polar guys in moms basement ranting about conspiracy theories but very experienced financial experts that have studied the financial markets for years.

Marc Faber, Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Chris Martenson to name a small few all have a predicted this years ago and have a good realistic take on it or google “economic bubble”.

I live in a small city in a small apartment and usually have 1-month worth of food, now I have 1-year worth of food.
Realistically stores could start getting shipments disrupted due to financial disturbances.

I think it is good to have a months worth of food,
enough sleeping gear to stay warm without heat,
a small stove that will burn on multi fuels,
a few bic lighters
5 gallon bucket,
a gallon of bleach for emergency disinfectant for water or cuts,
some cash maybe a little gold or silver jewelry.
That is just a cheap crude basic worst-case help kit.

If stores do run out of stuff for a week or 2 it would be nice not to have to stand in lines to fight over food.
I have lived in countries that were very unstable and had economic collapses before it’s not the end of the world it just make life difficult and more challenging.

I do think we will have some exciting times and changes unravel in the near future just by the way things are going lately.

OneVoice

10-23-2008, 03:42 AM

There's no other time I'd rather be alive...

the time is now, and as things get worse, we as a family have the opportunity to shine our light and spread love....

I'm not a fear mongerer... to tell you the truth, I am a little bit afraid... but what's more important than that

I have Faith, and I have Love...

Peace will overcome!

wake up family... time to shine!

hippiehillbilly

10-24-2008, 01:24 PM

you all are not serious are u.

serious about what,hard times on a scale not seen since the great depression falling on generations of people who have as a majority never had it tough in there lives?

oh yes i for one am deadly serious..

Funkateer

10-24-2008, 01:33 PM

dont forget to build a still while you can still get copper.

LOL

Im loving this idea ;)

Although I do believe a collapse is imminent
I think it would be a structured collapse designed to give the right people the right power at the right time

hippiehillbilly

10-24-2008, 01:53 PM

Funkateer

10-24-2008, 01:59 PM

goes back to what zihger was saying,as big of a mess as this is,the best laid plans have no guarantee of working..
sure they may have overlooked the derivatives market with a plan in mind but now that its unraveling its a sure bet that NOTHING will go as planned..

True but there always is that possibility that everything plays right into the hands of the people with control. It would be amazing if all the shit just backfired on them. We could see the yolk on their faces at that point :p

We can now only sit back and send out or positive energy :D

OneVoice

10-24-2008, 06:58 PM

if we make it through the 2 weeks surrounding the elections without a police state... then we should be "ok" at least untill next summer...

what I'm thinking... is that if industrial society is collapsing... and it's been killing the earth... and we LOVE the earth, right? what are we going to do to save her children (the forests and the animals and the fish)?

do we have to wait for it to collapse? to save the earth? how many more will die while we're waiting for society to fall apart?

maybe this is a different thread...

rainbowgeek

10-24-2008, 07:23 PM

We ALREADY live in a police state!

if we make it through the 2 weeks surrounding the elections without a police state... then we should be "ok" at least untill next summer...

what I'm thinking... is that if industrial society is collapsing... and it's been killing the earth... and we LOVE the earth, right? what are we going to do to save her children (the forests and the animals and the fish)?

do we have to wait for it to collapse? to save the earth? how many more will die while we're waiting for society to fall apart?

maybe this is a different thread...

OneVoice

10-25-2008, 05:48 AM

True but there always is that possibility that everything plays right into the hands of the people with control. It would be amazing if all the shit just backfired on them. We could see the yolk on their faces at that point :p

We can now only sit back and send out or positive energy :D

I for one say that if Babylon is falling... she might need a push or two in the right direction...

David-thankfull has no intentions of simply sitting back and sending out positive engergy

earthling2

10-25-2008, 10:38 PM

I agree, a barter system alright, I live in Baltimore, they're cutting everything out, get prepared, store water for heaven's sake, we can't live without water. People are scared over what is going on, not only in the family. We have to get Rainbow land, and survie for what is coming I'm thinking. I have a tent and sleeping bag, but what is it going to take. What are we going to do. What about the poor, anyways???

OneVoice

10-25-2008, 11:47 PM

stay close to your food source... know your food source... grow your food source...

are you dependant on babylon for your sustinance??? *they* aren't going to feed you...

hippiehillbilly

10-26-2008, 02:14 AM

i didnt imply anything..

MagnanimityMan

10-26-2008, 01:58 PM

The government, believe it or not, is going to be with us till the very very turning through to an agriculture community,,

the vibration of peace and love needs to be raisen~~
and you can thank churches for such a thing, truly.

there will be great conscious awakenings of peace and opening of heart,,
it takes one word,,,, America

beyond all the ideas of being scared, it takes a simple simple simple seed of some good wisdom to enlighten a region*

and, worsttt case, it takes a pot of soup to feed a community~* =)

i say, plant gardens, plant gardens!!
you can be the ones who build for your community potlucks meals,
dont be afraid to be a leader, to speak for G-d, and peace, and community IF it intensifies at all.

shameless_heifer

10-26-2008, 01:59 PM

hippie hillbilly, u don't mean to imply that I might be one of those people who has never learned to live without any hardship? nevermind that, I want to know the answer to this: Did the hippies back in the day, the ones who held onto their ways, not the ones who went back to work and all, did they really come from families with money, and was that why they were able to do what they did. This is to the point, bc if we are talking about surving times that were tougher then those, I think we aught to know how the hippies did it back then!................. I know this was not directed to me.. but as one of the originals from back in the day.. living it, I'd like to address it.. Most of the Hippies that I knew in The Haight (the city).. the majority of them came from middle/uppermiddle class homes, quiet a few had rich parents and there were many from dirt poor homes.. What I observed and partisapaited in and how the hippies survived was Welfare Mothers/Food Stamps.. We fed and housed the masses..We used what was availble to us.. we got our clothes at the free store and thrift shops.. and did a lot of trading.. in the city, most of the $$ came from drug money.. I didn't see many calling 'home' for $$.... My parents we quiet comfortable but not what you call rich.. but if I needed $$ they would have sent it to me, I didn't ask.. I did ask for a plane ticket once in a while but airfare from SF to LA was 20 bucks back then.. most of the hippies I knew, pooled their resources and bought land to build their homesteads/communes on.. Most of those places have dissapered over the decades.. a few still remain, but are not like they were when it all began.. Seems to me the ones that went off on their own were more sucessfull at retaining their land then the communes.. so many ppl comimg and going all the time.. no real security unless you were on the deed... Ppl took advantage of us.. Most of us wanted out of the city... too much violence.. We wanted to be free of the Machine.. some folks got loans from their parents to buy land or inhierited it.. others sold drugs to get enough $$ to buy land.. some used their skills and made products.. look at Bill Gates.. and use that to purchace land.. Some even got jobs and earned the $$ for land.. like me n my husband did... it is not unhippy to work, it depends what kind of work you do.. living off the land is extreamly hard work.. and you need $$ in this present time also, even if your off the grid there are still taxes. There are still things that you need $$ for.. I cannot make salt and no one around here makes salt so I have to buy/barter for salt.. I have tomatoes to trade.. since salt is mostly found in the desert (Ithink) and tomatoes don't gorw in the desert it would be an honest and even trade ( love salt on my tomatoes).. when money bc obsolete there will only be bater n trade availble.. that's what we wanted and that is how it is looking to be in our future... Me n Lynn are living off SSD and it pays for most of the bills.. but when that is gone we will and can survive on what we can produce ourselves.. When we get wind power we will be better off.

hippiestead

10-28-2008, 07:22 PM

Most folks in the US can get on the interent if they choose to....heck I borrowed a stranger's laptop in a bus station to check on something. Outside the US, lots of folks already have it really hard & might not have experienced having electricity in their town, let alone internet.

On concentration camps....I've heard rumors about them for years, but never seen evidence of the masses being rounded up. The concentration camps for hippies rumor goes back to the sixties and they've never done it, tho some out the out-spoken hip have met questionable fates.

On the other hand, the reality is that the US government can put various levels of martial law into effect at anytime & they can simply imprison people in their own homes if that's what they feel is best for the nation.

hippiehillbilly

10-28-2008, 08:33 PM

google tent cities in america. yes folks are experiencing hard times already.. truth is the real unemployment rate right now is 11% not 6%. google that as well..

as far as concentration camps,ive been told my whole life that all schools built since WW2 in america are built so that they can be used as detention centers.. if you look at schools and think about it its probably true.. so the whole secret fema camp thing to me is irrelevant..

do they have plans in place to round up civilians and detain them? yes they do. google operation garden plot and rex 84. both plans have been updated and are still the governments plan of action should they see the need to implement them..

will it get bad enough that something like that happens?? lets hope and pray not. one things for sure hard times are ahead and the government is preparing the masses for something major within the next 6 months.google that to.

shameless_heifer

10-29-2008, 03:20 PM

I've read rex 84, garden plot seen the camps online this and many sites that coinside with Fema camps and NWO.. and about the ET aliens that inhabit the earth.. the plan.. the conspiricies.. and Black Elks prophecy.. plus what my father taught me, who worked for the space program for 18 yrs.. I don't find it necessary to debate, argue or demand proof... as there is already so much proof out there........ I see things bc I am not blocked off from them.. I have not been brainwashed by our government..... with all this evidence in our faces.... how can we deny it any longer.. ...The gov doesn't deny that they are doing the camps..... WHO's asking..everyone that has come forth is dead.. ..my father included........ I been saying the same thing for 37 yrs.. We are under attack by our own government.. I have been called every name in the book, scoffed at and simply ignored.. I stopped talking about it.. let them find out for themselves if they don't want to listen..... But here it is again, I can't forgetaboutit.. I can forget what I have know all my life..... I believe in GOD and not afraid to say it.. GOD GOD GOD.. I also know that if there is a holy one then there is also unholy ones.. Unholy meaning Evil oppossed to Good... I can't say what others feel.. I can only know my own self and what I see and believe are not fairy tales, drug induced hallusinations or uninformed information... I myself was in one of these camps. when I was thirteen and again when I was fourteen.. I was placed in this camp bc I didn't go along with "their' porgram, as in brainwashing the kids in schools. I refused to OBEY their rules and was imprisoned for it.. my case was the very first represented by a lawyer, as a minor I had no rights at that time.. I was railroaded into this camp.. and they tried to murder me. They infected my with hepititus and left me to die in their infirmery.. They would not let my parent visit me, nor did anyone come into my quarienteened room except to bring meals which I couldn't eat.. My father was furious and got one of his friends that was a lawyer to take my case.. No minor at that time had ever had represention.. The lawyer got a rit to move me to the hospital as by then I was comatose.. I spent 52 days in a coma and weighed 74 lbs when I woke up.. after my recovery I went to court..My case set a presidence in Orange County California.. 1964.. I won my case and was released into the custody of my parents with their promise not to SUE the state. My father's job was on the line so he agreed under duress.. This is what can happen to anyone be them child or adult that does not agree to the government rule.. I would also like to say that they did experiments on me.. they hooked me up to their brain machine and tried to brainwash me they went up into my virgina even.. but they failed.. Their machine was like a computer and they had wires attached to my head that they feed electrical impluses to.. some were very painfull.. I believe that they couldn't brain wash me bc I had already taken LSD-25 several times and was immune bc of my faith in GOD...... I have never told this account before bc no one would believe me and I didn't want to make trouble for my family.. But as time is short and I doupt if They will be coming for me bc for my claims.. I cannot really harm them.. I can only say my experience and what I know to be the TRUTH.. You don't have to belive me.. it's up to you to decide for yourself as it was for me to decide for myself.. With the collapes of our economy and the whole world in turmoil and our troops deployed to other countries.. This would be the perfect time for envasion.. by whom is the question.

hippiehillbilly

10-29-2008, 03:38 PM

they dont have to invade.. when they say the time is right the united nations forces can now legally enter our country and serve along side our military and private security firms to restore order and "maintain peace"..

and it will happen..

"Today Americans would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their World Government."
Henry Kissinger- at 5/21/92 Bilderberg Conference in Evian, France

shameless_heifer

10-29-2008, 03:56 PM

Yes.. more like they crawl out from under their rocks and out of the woodwork and just appear.. I noticed when Katrenia hit.. that they had Mexican, and other uniformed ppl that was not american uniforms policing the area.. Why were Mexican uniforms in Lousiana toting weapons. I SAW THEM MY SELF..we live very close to La. and were visiting some family in Bay City very close to Houston.. We saw the truckloads of them being deployed to La. American trucks carrying mexican troops. What is that about..well you don't have to answer that.. it speaks for itself.

hippiestead

10-29-2008, 09:17 PM

I still say that the powers that be won't have to imprison the bulk of US citizens. Seriously, think about it...if they want to close a city all they have to do is issue chemical attack warnings and remind people about their safety prep training (stay inside your home, cover all your windows & doors with plastic & duct tape). Most people will do it out of fear & programming. They will likely round up the people who don't listen but why should the powers stir up suspicion if they don't have to? Even my dad, who claims that our government could never pull off a major conspiracy movie due to incompetance, would be very suspicous if I were to be suddenly imprisoned.

I'm not saying that it isn't gonna get nutty out there but psychological warfare is far more dangerous than physical warfare, costs less & has longer lasting results too.

shameless_heifer

10-29-2008, 11:29 PM

All they have to do is (feed) any imformation to the media they want and if it's on CNN/GMA then it has to be true, right? They do control the masses through TV and they would just simply tell ppl that there is a national emergency, weather it be true or false and most of the nation would believe it and do whatever they were told to do... and this new Digital TV "Box" that is government issue that you will have to have installed before you can get programming.. is that a transmitter as well as a reciver.... I'm not paranoid, there's nothing I can do except prepare for it and hold on to my faith that there will be some rescue from whatever it is we are facing and from whatever source Creator sends.... but I do think about things that I read and see "The Writing On The Wall".. and if I am thinking about it so must other ppl... I know I am not alone..