Ocala 2009

[Barry208]

Opening up a discussion on Ocala 2009... not for negativity or support, just ongoing information.

Site: Hopkins Prairie is the location on the 5 year cycle. We were there in '99 and '04. Advantages: Best main circle, parking and Bus village linear/roadside parking only. This may reduce incidents at the front gate. Are other sites being suggested/scouted? Might more then one site be better for this year?

Discussions: Is 2009 time to become selective on what kitchens are invited in order to make Ocala safer? (Please note I am not taking sides, only opening up discussions on issues like Death Camp and Front Gate. There are kitchens and camps that I personally dislike but this is not about personal issues and/or hospitality, it is about where does Ocala go from here...)

Permit: Ocala has been a permitted gathering for some years now. That is expected to continue. However, a volunteer is needed for initial contact with Pat at the FS. I do not want it to be me, as I have stepped aside from those tasks. Is anyone interested in that responsibility?

Last year many members of Florida Family took a year off. What can be done to involve the most amount of people for 2009?

Remember that these discussions are just that, discussions. Florida Family will meet the first Sunday after hunting season at our traditional council site, the third hammock on the way to Farles Prairie and those who attend will have a voice in the choices made for 2009.

I open these discussions as nothing more then an individual interested in Ocala. I have no special information or influance, nor do I claim any. Again this is not about me or any other individual, it is about a joint effort we call a gathering. Participation, as always is the key to a great time being had by all.

Hoping all is well with family and to see family and friends the last two weeks of February in the Ocala NF.

Barry

[WanderingturnupII]

Discussions: Is 2009 time to become selective on what kitchens are invited in order to make Ocala safer?


All these years, and you still just don't get it.

[hippiestead]

All these years, and you still just don't get it.



Yup, he doesn't get it, not in the heart/loving sense or in the logistic/legal sense. First, everyone with a heart is everyone...only a full council on the land can make safety calls and even then, those who are a safety hazard to themselves or others & cannot be helped by Family are taken to the local mental hospital, not just kept out of the loop. With Legals, make a Gathering private thru invitations & you open up a whole other box of worms; different permit regs, different requirements for optaining a permit.

And BTW...what some Ocala Family chose to do a year or 2 back was just crappy, sending out Howdy Folks with info putting down Front Gate & telling people how to get around them...no wonder more problems have arisen with Front Gate, when people single them out & put out bad press about them. The vibe between Front Gate & lighter drinking/non-drinking Family is disintegrating because some folks have decided to quit treating Front Gate like Family!

[chime]

loving you all & looking forward to seeing my family again. i want to address the kitchen issue. first of all i didn't know we had a problem with the kitchens. i know we had a kitchen that didn't quite understand the concept at first of "vegan" when serving main circle and i heard of one supposed incident of a few people that felt sick after eating in a kitchen. isn't this dealt with by kitchen council and inspections? was there an issue i don't know about?

other than that my opinion is that the notions of "invitation only" and "rainbow gathering" is not compatible with each other. we all have belly buttons. we try to put tools in place to deal with issues that we know we will have to face, and we have council to deal with any other problems that come up. maybe it's the fact that we don't call council enough (or shanta sena) to manage problems openly and in a fair manner that could be improved upon.

loving you brother barry! hope to see you at vision coucil in the spring. i've missed the sandhill cranes and family. chime

[Barry208]

I opened a thread for discussion on issues that are currently being talked about by individuals. I have not taken a stand one way or the other on this, but I certainly understand the problems. Ignoring these problems has not helped. Remaining pure to ideals is fine, but at what cost. I agree that everyone should be welcomed, but does that include those who we know will create dangers for all.

If what you are saying is that regardless, everyone, is welcome, fine, but with that idea, then many of the people doing the most are no longer willing to continue. So if YOU are insisting that everyone, including violent and dangerous camps and individuals MUST be welcomed, what are YOU willing to do to mitigate the harm that is causing.

I have not yet suggested that anyone not be welcomed, I have asked is that something that should be considered and if so under what circumstances? You want to shoot the messenger, then do so but if you think that by ignoring this issue it will go away you are wrong.

15 years ago, facing virtually this same issue, the original Florida Family who focalized Ocala, including Palm Tribe and Cinote, walked away, never to return. At that time, younger individuals filled the void created. Ignoring the violence and dangers may indeed create a similar situation today. However, my question is, if that is what you want... are YOU willing to fill that void on this round? Are you willing to place yourself in danger trying to deal with this on a Friday Night during seed camp versus looking at it beforehand.

At this point I have not taken a stand on an issue raised by some of our strongest loudest and hardest working focalizers, but I have vocalized, in as soft a set of words I could muster, their ongoing concerns for open discussion. If your solution to this problem is personal attacks on me... knock yourself out, but you aren't helping anything. Speak solutions, speak opinions, this is what we do.. attack me and you may win the argument, but what will happen in the forest as a result of your "victory?" How will Ocala be the better for it?

Barry

[WanderingturnupII]

Those of you who read the email side of AGR might be aware that some of the legal dueling between Us and USFuSs involves whether the Annual Gathering is a public or private event. A lot of this legal strategical theorization goes clear over my head, but I think I understand that public=good and private=bad for Us. Of course, we should also be aware that the Florida Winter gathering is NOT the Annual Gathering, and comparing the two isn't even "apples and oranges", more like "apples and computers"...but let's not shoot the Gathering in the foot.

[Barry208]

Those of you who read the email side of AGR might be aware that some of the legal dueling between Us and USFuSs involves whether the Annual Gathering is a public or private event. A lot of this legal strategical theorization goes clear over my head, but I think I understand that public=good and private=bad for Us. Of course, we should also be aware that the Florida Winter gathering is NOT the Annual Gathering, and comparing the two isn't even "apples and oranges", more like "apples and computers"...but let's not shoot the Gathering in the foot.

Scott,

On that we are in agreement. Ocala is a different gathering then the Annual Rainbow and follows a completely different set of rules. On whether it is a Gathering, a Rainbow Gathering or simply Ocala I don't know if I am willing to take a stand, but, in many ways, it can only be the latter.

The discussion being opened was about changing the rules and whether or not that is a good idea. You have always taught me that change is a slippery slope that needs to be approached with great care. I agree with that also. Discussions are just that , exchanges of ideas. We seem as a family to have gotten away from that and perhaps it is something we should consider returning to.

You certainly know, first hand, all about the problems and the issues facing Ocala. Further it is my bet that you, like myself, are not planning on a two month stint on the land in Ocala. So lets, for the sake of family, try and have some open discussions about Ocala. You know how wide this list is, lets have some discourse on what you DO think should or could happen to make 2009 a better Ocala. You and many of the family who read this have had some amazing times in Ocala, and you/we/they have witnessed an/or participated in some the world's greatest cluster fu*ks, often within the space of a very short period of time.

2009 looks to be a year when Ocala is going to need some focus and support , especailly from a 'ol time, high holy like yourself!!!! Looking forward to your suggestions for 2009 Ocala.

Barry

[OneVoice]

the best way I know of to handle negativity is to respond with LOVE... if they don't want hugs, it's nice to do some work for the people who need a lot of Love... backrubs, or even pitching in a few bucks for beer goes a long way towards saying "WE LOVE YOU"

I've met a lot of a-campers in Ocala particularly that really hate 'rainbows' and 'rainbowland' my guess is that has something to do with family responding to negativity with more negativity when we all know that...

Love, is the answer....

(not that love doesn't come in a roll of duct tape every once in a while)

[poorphucker]

even pitching in a few bucks for beer goes a long way towards saying "WE LOVE YOU"

Interesting concept.

That is definitely what is needed to make the gatherings a very pleasant place for all families involved.

Maybe we can find a way to get Budweiser or Coors to start sponsoring us.

Just think of the potential of the kitchens~!

Bet there would be a lot of beer battered food.

Can't forget about the kiddies!

Snickers might as well get in on the action.

Where do we send our donations to the Keg fund?


:cheers2:

[lilb1t]

i dont know, i was at ocala in 2007 and it didnt seem to me front gate had too many issues with the gathering...i guess things may have gotten worse over the last couple years...mybae it'd be better if more of the non-dinking family spent some time at front gate just 2 show we dont need to alienate anybody

[WanderingturnupII]

You have always taught me that change is a slippery slope that needs to be approached with great care.

"The operation was a success, but the patient died". Whatever the Ocala thingy is, it has a strong Rainbow flavor. Turning it into some kind of invitation only thing would kill the last of that. Private parties and festivals may be good things, and one of the roots of Rainbow is commercial music festivals. Is it possible to go back to the womb? I don't want this for Ocala. if there's a gathering, however weak the rainbow flavor is, and a private party, on the Ocala NF in Feb, I'll chose the gathering. Maybe the best thing is to just leave it alone for a couple years, and see if it either dies of natural causes, or heals itself. My biggest concern it that, with Arjay and I out of the picture, you will try another power play like you did at the last Hopkins gathering. The best thing you can do for my Family is spend February in the Bahamas....and if you are acting as spokesman for unnamed parties, the best thing they can do for their cause is find a less controversial spokesman.



2009 looks to be a year when Ocala is going to need some focus and support , especailly from a 'ol time, high holy like yourself!!!!

Just when I thought it was impossible for me to like you less......

[hippiehillbilly]

Originally Posted by Barry208 http://hipforums.com/newforums/../forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=4824681#post4824681)

2009 looks to be a year when Ocala is going to need some focus and support , especailly from a 'ol time, high holy like yourself!!!!
P.L.S. a high holy??:eek::smilielol5:to fuckin funny..
id call P.L.S. a lotta things,and probably have over the years,:rolleyes: but "high holy" sure as hell aint one of them..

[Barry208]

P.L.S. a high holy??:eek::smilielol5:to fuckin funny..
id call P.L.S. a lotta things,and probably have over the years,:rolleyes: but "high holy" sure as hell aint one of them..

Everybody's got an opinion and that's mine... not that Scott is a high holy, i think real HH's are few and far between, that he THINKS that he is!

For the record I never tried any Power Play in Hopkins in '04. I was the signatore that year and there were discussions about potential actions that got him upset, but I took almost no actions (okay maybe a little selective disinformation to some ravers about their potential for arrest because of their all night electronic bass distortions, but nothing more serious then that).

My record in dealings with the Ocala remains clear. I took no action opposed or unsanctioned by either council or many, many wise voices being consulted first. Okay it is a problem if someone could do something as a representative that effects the whole, but as an individual that is also true. I have not signed for several years and I have been on the sidelines. I expect to have the same happen this year...

but I for one do not want to see Ocala "die a natural death." I would much rather see a way for it to heal. I disagree with letting it alone, just like I disagree with leaving an open fire burning and walking away and trusting that the universe will take care and not allow the fire to spread.

Ocala will happen this year and as an individual I hope it is not a clusterfu*k. As a Florida resident who encourages others to go there, how can I do that if it is unsafe? Regardless whether I plan to spend a few days there or an entire winter I hope that my words and actions cause Ocala to be a safer, healthier ... whatever it is....

There are pholks in Gainesville and elsewhere who are still mad that their 1993 decree ending the Ocala Regional Rainbow Gathering remains unheeded. It is my belief that Ocala will not end and certainly not with a whimper. Without careful planning and effort, it may, however, be ended by the FS as part of an entirely different agenda, having less to do with public and private and more to do with full time habitation in the Ocala NF coupled with typical front gate violence and shenanigans.

[Dragonfly]

PLS a high holy, yeah right! now i don't have enough patience to read all those posts in there intirety, but it did catch the invite thing, and barry you of all people should be glad that there isn't an invite list because you probably wouldn't be on it in the first place. now you don't know me, but i do know who you are, and i have heard things about you through the grapevine, and i must say, i like you better OVER THERE, only while i'm over here. now if i'm over there you should totally be over here, because i do tend to get lippy especially when drinking is involved. just ask wanderingturnup he'll tell ya.

[WanderingturnupII]

I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. Barry was taking a walk in the National Forest one day. He came across a dragon and a unicorn. They were sitting across a stump from one another, playing a game of chess. Barry took a look at the board, and said, "Hey! That's all wrong! Both that dragon's bishops are on the same color square!"

I can't think of anyone who really understands enough about how Rainbow works well enough to go doctoring on it. But I can think of few who are less qualified than Barry.

I don't want to see the Ocala gathering die, or be put out of its misery by USFuSs, either. But I believe ignorant meddling is likely to do more harm than good. Old Ocala hands tell me we have a good gathering every 5 years or so. I was at the last really good one at Lake Mary, what, 3 years ago, now? This year, and over the next few years, the Florida winter thing is likely to see refugees from the 2nd Great Depression. We saw one or two at Shawnee. Whether this will make things better or worse, I don't know. Call me a hopeless romantic fool if you will, but I trust that good ol' Rainbow Magic will make it all work out for the best.

[Barry208]

>PLS a high holy, yeah right! now i don't have enough patience to read all >those posts in there intirety,

Try reading it all and then speaking...

>but it did catch the invite thing,

Which was an attempt to find a polite way to discuss what, if you judge the subjects raised in this thread, is the number one issue facing Ocala.. dealing with the front gate and other violent "family" I have nothing against a-camp but I do object to some camps that sanction violent, bad and dangerous behavior. If you really think this isn't the number one subject on the individuals who comprise Florida Family's mind as regards Ocala, then as I said before, when you attacked me on AGR last year.. you are just another computer jockey sitting in his underwear telling pholks on the land what to do...

>and barry you of all people should be glad that there isn't an invite list >because you probably wouldn't be on it in the first place.

But at least I show up on the land and stand behind my words. I might not be on your list, but i have never suffered from a shortage of invitations....

>now you don't know me, but i do know who you are,

And as I said before, to you, both here and on AGR, sniping behind a computer screen is unimpressive. If you know who I am, try telling me to my face. I am at plenty of places for you, if you are really someone who attends gatherings, to do so

>and i have heard things about you through the grapevine, and

now that's a good source. You have something to say say it and I will answer it...

>i must say, i like you better OVER THERE,

I am "overthere", on the land, sitting in council and speaking my mind... and i have no intention of changing.

>only while i'm over here.

back at ya!

>now if i'm over there you should totally be over here, because i do tend to >get lippy especially when drinking is involved. just ask wanderingturnup >he'll tell ya.

OOHHHHH so you are a drunk... no wonder you don't like me... try changing drugs or sobering up, maybe your view of the world will change.

[Barry208]

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I don't want to see the Ocala gathering die, or be put out of its misery by USFuSs, either. But I believe ignorant meddling is likely to do more harm than good. Old Ocala hands tell me we have a good gathering every 5 years or so. I was at the last really good one at Lake Mary, what, 3 years ago, now? This year, and over the next few years, the Florida winter thing is likely to see refugees from the 2nd Great Depression. We saw one or two at Shawnee. Whether this will make things better or worse, I don't know. Call me a hopeless romantic fool if you will, but I trust that good ol' Rainbow Magic will make it all work out for the best.

I hope you are right... but I know that it is not about me and without some change or some plan, there will be a whole lot less hard working pholk participating AGAIN this year, much to the detriment of both the gathering and the safety of its participants.

[overboard]

Hmm, yeah, well.
So I'm gonna come set up a kitchen again this year. Would love to get plugged in as to ANY upcoming councils/scouting. I have a good bit of free time off between now and Feb. and I can get up to Ocala or A-Cola or anywhere else in the state at least every other week from now til then. At the very least, there's enough room in A-Cola for a few/few-dozen of us Florida folks to get get together for a weekend so we can SEE it's an option or (quite possibly) not for a smaller gathering in March. I'm less than 100 miles from Ocala NF so as soon as someone lets me know there's ANYONE there, I will start bringing food. I have resources in Tampa to help keep holding camp fed all winter (not that I think a huge holding camp should sit in Ocala all winter). I also want to hear from some other kitchen folk to try to get a huge bulk produce buy together like we did for IRIS/Grateful Dreads/Fat Kids last year. Money goes at least 5 times as far at the wholesale produce market as it does at the Ocala grocer. $300 bought almost a ton of produce last year - as well as a good half a ton of recoverable dumpster produce (There's always SOMETHING you can do with 2000 canteloupes)

Overboard
IRIS Kitchen

[Dragonfly]

barry like i said not enough patience, but that doesn't make you like you anymore. sorry i can't manage to sit through your drama queen act as a useless political figure, who can't politic your ass from a hole in the ground. lovin you brother from way over here. and as for sniping with me here and on AGR your WRONG because i don't ever go to AGR, and this is this first time we have ever conversed. now i have met you in person, in wyoming and at ocala, so yeah once AGAIN you don't have a fuckin clue who i am, other wise you wouldn't be trying to play political games with me, cause if you did know me you'd know that i do believe in that good old fashion rainbow hippie dippie magic. so next time you try to make a snidely come back make sure you actually know what you're talking about instead talking out your ass like you know what's going on.

[Dragonfly]

oh and by the way IT'S TEA TIME! stay the fuck out of the tea house!

[OlderWaterBrother]

Sorry to interrupt all the animosity but if you want to discuss the problems at Ocala, wouldn’t it be good to state what you feel all the problems are in a concise manner, before getting to the personal attacks, so that everyone knows what’s being discussed and can discuss them?

Just wondering. :rolleyes:

[Barry208]

barry like i said not enough patience, but that doesn't make you like you anymore. sorry i can't manage to sit through your drama queen act as a useless political figure, who can't politic your ass from a hole in the ground. lovin you brother from way over here. and as for sniping with me here and on AGR your WRONG because i don't ever go to AGR, and this is this first time we have ever conversed. now i have met you in person, in wyoming and at ocala, so yeah once AGAIN you don't have a fuckin clue who i am, other wise you wouldn't be trying to play political games with me, cause if you did know me you'd know that i do believe in that good old fashion rainbow hippie dippie magic. so next time you try to make a snidely come back make sure you actually know what you're talking about instead talking out your ass like you know what's going on.

Last year, someone with the same name as you pulled up a year old posting and made a huge fuss accusing me of all kinds of things. When shown that it had no truth he just went on. If it was not you I'm sorry for that...nothing else mind you.

As for Tea Time I have nothing good to say. When a camp spends its time spanging at the top of their lungs they earn no respect from me. Further I have no love lost from individuals who populate that place, and sometimes your enemies say more about you then your friends, I am proud to consider myself an enemy of Tea Time. In Wyoming when a drunk spent two hours of the silence on the Fourth screaming obscenities, CW & Tea Time threatened Arjay and other peacekeepers from intervening. As for something Rainbow that deserves to "Die a natural death" Tea Time tops my personal list.

[WanderingturnupII]

Hey, Overboard! Scott here. You have my email? Or do you have a MySpace? You need to rack up a certain number of posts before I can PM you my contact info. I really need to get in touch with you.

[hippiestead]

And as I said before, to you, both here and on AGR, sniping behind a computer screen is unimpressive. If you know who I am, try telling me to my face. I am at plenty of places for you, if you are really someone who attends gatherings, to do so



OMG!!! You really have no idea who Turn-up is and how active he is at Gatherings !?!?!

All I know about you Barry is that I lot of old timers that I have respect for have no respect for your actions over the years, and that from what I've seen of your postings, you seem to be one of those people who yells at lot about who should be doing what instead of showing folks what needs to be done be providing them with an example of someone doing what needs to be done

[Dragonfly]

i had nothing to do with the person around tea time make all the noise, i was actually at circle doing the hippie thing, as for the attacks, i just like to be annoying.Although I did see you at the tea house in wyoming just before clearwater ripped you a new asshole. I do know arjay i see where he and his old lady were coming from, but I also occasionally know when to shut up, and that was one of those times to just bare it until I got to the next meadow down where you couldn't really hear the screaming. just so you know, i'm not a guy, i don't even know what AGR stands for even though scott has told me like 10 times. and as far as the personal attacks go, i just like pissing people off and you seemed fairly fun to play a game with at this particular point in time.

[Dragonfly]

OMG!!! You really have no idea who Turn-up is and how active he is at Gatherings !?!?!

All I know about you Barry is that I lot of old timers that I have respect for have no respect for your actions over the years, and that from what I've seen of your postings, you seem to be one of those people who yells at lot about who should be doing what instead of showing folks what needs to be done be providing them with an example of someone doing what needs to be done

I thought he was talking to/about me on that one Hippiestead????

[WanderingturnupII]

Last year, someone with the same name as you pulled up a year old posting and made a huge fuss

This one's Dragonfly the Younger, my daughter's mother. You may have met briefly, or not. But I've told her stories...

[papabear]

Ocala has a place in my heart, i have been a few times and saw the magic that happens. The family that is missing will be replace by family that shows up. It will be a different gathering this year as is every year. Maybe dolfin camp needs to have its own celebration else where in the forest since it is not a traditional gathering. there have been split gatherings in the past, and if you want to go selecting the kicthens you feel best to show up, you could have them at your party, and let us have ours. It can be ruff and I have spent seed camp with my family and little hawk, we had a great time with little or no vilolence to accure. there are alot of road dogs that attend, but that is what gives ocala some flavor.

[Dragonfly]

thanks for the introduction, has anyone answered waterbrother's question? from what i'm catching between me messing with barry and talking to hippiestead, violence at frontgate and inviting kitchens/people to ocala? am i right or atleast close?

[papabear]

PLS a high holie that is funny, high maybe.

[overboard]

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[hippiestead]

I thought he was talking to/about me on that one Hippiestead????

Guess he was :p Still, not knowing who you are means he doesn't pay much attention.


Of course he wasn't paying enough attention to see that there was already a thread going on Ocala...or he didn't have enough respect for the posters of that thread to post there.

[Dragonfly]

ok, ok, i know i said i'd stay outta here but damn it's so funny that when everyone got done doggin barry nobody has anything to say.

[WanderingturnupII]

Flickerfeather has a new florida info site up, http://flrainbow.org/


and yes turnup ocalla is focused in feb, butt family is in the woods starting in november for scouting and ifrastructue equiptment manifesting,

From that site,
Warning!The Forest Service prior to Ocala Gathering last year, was enforcing 14 day limit in forest , after 14 day's you were told to leave the National forest for 16 day's. Keep that in mind when plan your stay in the Ocala National Forest . Understand all rule's in National forest when planning to stay there.

Forest Service info can be found here: http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/florida/ocala/recreation/camping.overview.php?p=1.1.3.4

From private email Officer No-Neck has been transfererred to Texas. He has been the biggest pain in the ass in FL for the last few years. Patchouli says the budget has been cut so there's little chance of him being replaced by someone worse. USFS has been trying real hard to end the November-January "Seed Camp" and March-May "Clean Up" that was once Ocala. You want to go try it, go ahead, but be ready for cop hassles.

[tattoojoesDad]

How do I private message you. I'll try the email (from memory) that Joe gave me in the meantime.

Last letter I got said "100 days left".

[WanderingturnupII]

You can't PM till you have a certain # of posts.

email porkypine63@Safe-mail.net or send MS via Loraine on here, or sister Raven on Myspce

[overboard]

I'm driving up to the forest from Tampa today to see what's up. I've heard reports of folks spanging in Ocala already. I'm gonna bring up some foodstuffs and politely suggest checking out some of Florida's other beautiful free forests to help lessen the strain on Ocala til February. See if I can run into anyone who would like to walk Hopkins with me today or tomorrow. I plan on scouting every other week on Monday/Tuesday from now til February. Anyone interested in scouting these days please contact me.

Overboard
IRIS

[overboard]

OK, so I did a quick drive around Hopkins yesterday. Didn't hike in, just drove around the site (FR 88/65/90). I stopped at the campgrounmd and talked with the very nice campground host who was also there in '04. He was already aware that we're thinking of setting up there this year (word travels fast). There have been some changes to Hopkins that we need to work around to make it happen this year. Most notably, there is an un-numbered road that we used last time that ran north from the campground straight up to FR88 that is now inaccessable. This road is visible in Google Earth. Campground host said he would be happy to help kind and polite scouters to find a work-around. There are a lot of hunters in the area, so we need to be careful scouting as always. Orange vests might not hurt. Didn't see anyone in Ocala that appeared to be way-too-early rainbow types. Just the regular Ocala sign-holding homeless whom I ended up giving all the food to, that I had brought. No signs of anyone at N Farles Prairie, Salt Springs, Lake Mary, Lake Catherine, Buck Lake, Halfmoon Lake, Alexander Springs or any of the other sites. Just a lot of hunters.

[WanderingturnupII]

Flickerfeather is trying to round up some scouts at Farles for the weekend of the 8th. See his website (http://flrainbow.org/2008_scouting2.html) for directions.

[Dragonfly]

i haven't looked at the website but from what i understand FF has difficulty typeing, so be aware of the typos

[road runner]

:)Opening up a discussion on Ocala 2009... not for negativity or support, just ongoing information.

Site: Hopkins Prairie is the location on the 5 year cycle. We were there in '99 and '04. Advantages: Best main circle, parking and Bus village linear/roadside parking only. This may reduce incidents at the front gate. Are other sites being suggested/scouted? Might more then one site be better for this year?

Discussions: Is 2009 time to become selective on what kitchens are invited in order to make Ocala safer? (Please note I am not taking sides, only opening up discussions on issues like Death Camp and Front Gate. There are kitchens and camps that I personally dislike but this is not about personal issues and/or hospitality, it is about where does Ocala go from here...)

Permit: Ocala has been a permitted gathering for some years now. That is expected to continue. However, a volunteer is needed for initial contact with Pat at the FS. I do not want it to be me, as I have stepped aside from those tasks. Is anyone interested in that responsibility?

Last year many members of Florida Family took a year off. What can be done to involve the most amount of people for 2009?

Remember that these discussions are just that, discussions. Florida Family will meet the first Sunday after hunting season at our traditional council site, the third hammock on the way to Farles Prairie and those who attend will have a voice in the choices made for 2009.

I open these discussions as nothing more then an individual interested in Ocala. I have no special information or influance, nor do I claim any. Again this is not about me or any other individual, it is about a joint effort we call a gathering. Participation, as always is the key to a great time being had by all.

Hoping all is well with family and to see family and friends the last two weeks of February in the Ocala NF.

Barry

[road runner]

I think we should follow forest rules .after 72 people break off and start another camp.Then come together the closer it gets to the Gathering. 2008 oclaa was great hope to see every one there . havent left WYO YET.

[Olympic-Bullshitter]

Without getting into gory details about the risks of contracting a nasty virus like Hepatitis A, it is crucial to mention that meticulous personal hygiene is essential in any kitchen. 1. Clean hands. Wash hands before, during, and after handling food, using soap, a nailbrush, and hot water. Wash hands after taking a shit, smoking, coughing, sneezing, or scratching and don't cook with lotion on your hands. 2. Avoid jewelry. Use common sense and discretion when cooking while wearing any jewely, or better still, remove your jewelry altogether. 3. Secure hair. If you don't want hair in the food, either tie your hair back or wear a hat. 4. Cover wounds. Cover any cuts or open wounds with proper dressing. Wear disposable plastic gloves over the dressing to prevent any infection from spreading. 5. Avoid eating while cooking. Chewing food, gum, or toothpicks while cooking can lead to un wanted surprises in the food. 6. Use a spoon and not your finger to taste the sauce for seasoning. No double-dipping. 7. Disinfect surfaces. Wash counters and work surfaces with hot, soapy water and an diluted bleach. 8.Clean as you go. Get into the habit of washing pots, pans, and dishes as you go to keep things running smoothly and pervent a huge pile of pots and pans at the end of the day that nobody wants to clean.

[lilb1t]

i hate to say anything off topic... but wat are the dates for the ocala gathering again? i couldnt find them on welcomhere.org

[tikoo]

to be everybody's sweetheart , get there by Valentine's Day !

[TradinBill]

I have Closed my "Rainbow Safe-House" due to "Drainbow Flu" that seems to have stopped
infecting just the young and has spread to the rest of the Rainbow Folk including our Elder's.
It was sad seeing an Elder Brother throw an Aluminum can out my window & after I've saved them
to recycle since the 70's. I am watching this Brother cram unhealthy poisons into his face
making him forget respect when dealing with others.

I've watched the "Drainbow Flu" start around '97 when Water Buffalo's were brought to our Gathering's
ONLY attracting Free-Loading BumBow's, Drainbow's, Strainbow's & your typical Moocher. It's why we
Scout for Water. Safety, etc.... for those who have forgotten.

I cant wait for this planet to shake the fleas off for then may the True Rainbow Warrior appear &
gather like we used to with only our Baggage & Kind Spirits!!!!


I will still be listed in the Rainbow Guide for INFO only.


Love and Hug's to those who still LIVE the Walk.



Tradin' Bill a.k.a. Fla_Hippy

[WanderingturnupII]

I've watched the "Drainbow Flu" start around '97 when Water Buffalo's were brought to our Gathering's ...
It's why we
Scout for Water. Safety, etc.... for those who have forgotten.




So, Bill, where do you propose scouts look for new sites in the Ocala NF? I don't believe any of the half dozen or so that have been in the regular rotation have drinkable water on site.

[TradinBill]

So, Bill, where do you propose scouts look for new sites in the Ocala NF? I don't believe any of the half dozen or so that have been in the regular rotation have drinkable water on site.


Then I wonder why they are used....Huh., Okay....Right On. Guess it goes what is defined as Drinkable. Ocala '08 They ignored the lake!!

Water can be harvested with any tarp/cloth/Walmart bag and a cup/bucket (Not from rain). Besides its florida. Just a few shovel full's down.....

Survival....It's time.


(Damn, ya got me telling all the secrets!)



Tradin' Bill a.k.a. Fla_Hippy







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[WanderingturnupII]

Then I wonder why they are used....Huh., Okay....Right On. Guess it goes what is defined as Drinkable.

That wouuld be "Drinkable without risk by the weakest members of our family", children, pregnant women, the elderly.

Ocala '08 They ignored the lake!!

I know as kid who caught a case of giardiasis from swallowing a small amount of lake water while swimming at, I believe, Shanty Pond.

Water can be harvested with any tarp/cloth/Walmart bag and a cup/bucket (Not from rain). Besides its florida. Just a few shovel full's down.....

You propose supplying potable water for 1000 people over a weekend, that's about 3000 gallons, half that much during the week, this way?

The only workable alternative I have heard proposed to packing water by the truckload is the solar water pump/water tower/gravity fed filter system some of the Iris folks were talking about a few years ago, and that takes money, technical know how, money, somebody reliable to care for the equipment in the off season, and money.

I don't have a dog in this fight. Unlikely I will make it to the Florida Winter gathering any time soon. But I fail to see how water trucks are the root of the problem either at the gathering, or at your house.

[TradinBill]

You propose supplying potable water for 1000 people over a weekend, that's about 3000 gallons, half that much during the week, this way?


But I fail to see how water trucks are the root of the problem either at the gathering, or at your house.

I supply water for my camp/tribe and enough for a Spunion or two.

Water Buffalo's only 1 factor I see last 6-7 Ocala's being 2% KIND 98% OTHER rather than the first 15 years of No Water Buffalo's being 98% KIND and 2% OTHER.

Folks should study nomadic living (Water especially) & so forth as its really basic survival. 15 years ago we were gathering on crystal clear water supply's in Ocala. I still am now as a fact.

Just hoping folks will learn BEFORE they start that family....

Chambers Farm Thanksgiving POW-WOW, Ft McCoy FL OCN. Sunday Trade Circle. I'm still teaching folks to start fire from water. Frozen or Liquid.

Peace.

Tradin' Bill a.k.a. Fla_Hippy

[WanderingturnupII]

I supply water for my camp/tribe and enough for a Spunion or two.
.

Folks should study nomadic living (Water especially) & so forth as its really basic survival. 15 years ago we were gathering on crystal clear water supply's in Ocala. I still am now as a fact.

If you're not careful about your vocalizing,, some clown show might just make you Water Focalizer. I know how that works!

[TradinBill]

If you're not careful about your vocalizing,, some clown show might just make you Water Focalizer. I know how that works!


You are so right !!!! Get's so hard to stay neutral every year. Why I stay in Trade Circle to see the Exact Variety of Folks hiking in every year.
Weez gonna miss ya every year your not here. Just remember we think of you when we are on the land fer sure.

Hug's

ALL FAMILIES MATTER

[earthling2]

Hey there family, just a word, the gathering s are what you make of it, I'd love to goto the Ocala this year, andmiss you all. However there has been problems with the Forest Service. And what is going on with the permit.
Linda

[ID10T]

If Ocala water is sooooo bad, Why is it Bottled & sold under many different names? Go look at Wally world, K-Mart, etc. "Bottled from Silver Springs, FL". Yes, you may even get some recycled Tarzan or Ma Barker Urine. YUMMY. heheheehehe Please dont tell the spunions about Hidden Pond! I still drink from it!!!

PR

[Woolyman]

there is no simple solution to alcoholics in the family. i don't think throwing money at a problem is ever the solution. our family is sick. we are amazing creatures in that we poison ourselves with the idea that we are seperate from one another. a house divided can not stand.it's hard to be loving when you feel hated. if you think ocala needs more "good" folks then go. be the solution. be easy.

[earthling2]

What about the Forest Service this year??? I would get the logistics before heading down there, I've read stories and than not. I haven't been to a gathering in some time, and would like to go, but don't know if I can. If anyone has heard from Charles Swiden who was at the gathering last year, no one knows where he is, either in Baltimore, or anywhere else. He has been missing, or whatever. No one knows, it's not safe around here in the city, and getting worse, I stay in after dark. I have enogh on my hands, with everythng else going on. Well, miss ya all, I still have to get back to the family, my family. Love Yas! Linda. crisiscenter@netzero.net

[chime]

LOving you all! Trading Bill you do a fabulous job and we love you. Thank you for hosting all the hippies you have and being an elder. I'll have to trade you for some coffee at trade circle this year.

Water is an issue in Ocala. What bringing in a water buffalo does is economize fuel usage and the drain on the community and resourses with people going back and forth to babylon for water just for their camp. We cook for each other, council each other and we have water crews that help make sure we drink healthy water and the kitchens have a supply. It is necessary. The water situation is part of what makes Ocala unique.

Now is the time to walk our walk AND talk our talk. We not only have the chore of counseling other rainbows (about recycling, poisoning their bodies and digging shitters) but couseling babylon too. The big change is coming, we all know it, and society will look to those of us that have lived off the land with respect for the earth and each other as role model. It is time to come together and be wise. Divided we fall and the hope for a better future falls with us. Don't give up too soon. Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and dig in.

[TradinBill]

Water is an issue in Ocala. What bringing in a water buffalo does is economize fuel usage and the drain on the community and resourses with people going back and forth to babylon for water just for their camp. We cook for each other, council each other and we have water crews that help make sure we drink healthy water and the kitchens have a supply. It is necessary. The water situation is part of what makes Ocala unique.

Now is the time to walk our walk AND talk our talk. We not only have the chore of counseling other rainbows (about recycling, poisoning their bodies and digging shitters) but couseling babylon too. The big change is coming, we all know it, and society will look to those of us that have lived off the land with respect for the earth and each other as role model. It is time to come together and be wise. Divided we fall and the hope for a better future falls with us. Don't give up too soon. Now is the time to roll up our sleeves and dig in.



Water in Florida is NOT an issue yet. A few years....for sure 'cause the WORLD will be polluted. Florida has water Surrounding it and inches under the surface. CLEAN stuff too.
I wish you guys would have seen ANY pre-2000 Gathering where we didnt have Water at every trailhead.


It brought the SINCERE, KIND, LOVING, BEAUTIFUL Brothers and Sister's I met in the 70's that Walked the walk by not living in a Lot at a gathering.

It brought those seeking Prayer & True Peace.

It brought the resourceful person or teacher.


I've watched Indian Pow-Wow's/Rendezvous, Biker shows and the Seminole Indian Reservation Destroyed Millinium night because of Water Supply/Buffalo's. They attracted the Free-loaders, Bums, etc. Seems if you provide/lead a spunion to/with water, It just dont make them THINK.

"WE"re BLESSED with Florida/Ocala!!!! But as ALL Visions have told.....


Water will be the Death of Florida.




Love your Mother or die at her feet.



Tradin' Bill a.k.a. Fla_Hippy












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[TradinBill]

What bringing in a water buffalo does is economize fuel usage and the drain on the community and resourses with people going back and forth to babylon for water just for their camp. We cook for each other, council each other and we have water crews that help make sure we drink healthy water and the kitchens have a supply. It is necessary.


When it's under your feet, It drains the Resources your Hauling it in from!

When it's hauled to site & then Motor boated across spreading fuel thru the whole lake........ (Double- triple Moving/hauling is a waste!)



The water situation is part of what makes Ocala unique.

I would have used the word.... STRANGE. Again, I wish you could have seen ANY pre-Buffalo gathering.


[Q] Wonder why we had BETTER & BIGGER gatherings back then without Buffalo's ???

[A] We WERE a Resourceful group that Taught NOT in the LOT, EARNED What we GOT & didnt Come just to POKE SMOT!!!!


There's the answer....Work on the problem.


Hug's to ALL!


Tradin' Bill a.k.a. Fla_Hippy

[stalk]

I talked Mr. T into comin' with me n singin' the blues for all yall yup see yuh out there fam fa fam fam a lam shazam!

no shit. look for T camp. we're all going to have mohawks to reflect our native nature.

Mr. T claims he's been wanting to be absorbed into the Rainbow for some time now.

Brother just got off the bottle n everythang peace

[gaia2007]

i dont know, i was at ocala in 2007 and it didnt seem to me front gate had too many issues with the gathering...i guess things may have gotten worse over the last couple years...mybae it'd be better if more of the non-dinking family spent some time at front gate just 2 show we dont need to alienate anybody

I think it all comes down to, why do we gather?

gaia

[gaia2007]

If Ocala water is sooooo bad, Why is it Bottled & sold under many different names? Go look at Wally world, K-Mart, etc. "Bottled from Silver Springs, FL". Yes, you may even get some recycled Tarzan or Ma Barker Urine. YUMMY. heheheehehe Please dont tell the spunions about Hidden Pond! I still drink from it!!!

PR

There *are* actually springs in FL, with good water.

gaia

[gaia2007]

oh and by the way IT'S TEA TIME! stay the fuck out of the tea house!

To quote someone that I do not particularly profess to follow: "Little children, love one another." ;)

gaia

[gaia2007]

Hey, Overboard! Scott here. You have my email? Or do you have a MySpace? You need to rack up a certain number of posts before I can PM you my contact info. I really need to get in touch with you.

Anger is mostly one's perception of a *lack* in another (as we see it), that person not living up to Love. We are learning.

gaia

[gaia2007]

I think we should follow forest rules .after 72 people break off and start another camp.Then come together the closer it gets to the Gathering. 2008 oclaa was great hope to see every one there . havent left WYO YET.

I agree.

gaia

[Cavale]

I talked Mr. T into comin' with me n singin' the blues for all yall yup see yuh out there fam fa fam fam a lam shazam!

no shit. look for T camp. we're all going to have mohawks to reflect our native nature.

Mr. T claims he's been wanting to be absorbed into the Rainbow for some time now.

Brother just got off the bottle n everythang peace

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See you two there.

[WanderingturnupII]

Anger is mostly one's perception of a *lack* in another (as we see it), that person not living up to Love. We are learning.

gaia

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