Geodesic Chemistry.

[azygous420]

I have been studying LSD chemistry for quite some time now. I have come across 2 realizations. LSA is a geodesic chemical, and LSD is a geodesic chemical. This means if you draw LSD on a soccer ball all you need is the Lines on the ball. LSA is the exact same.

My theory is that you put an LSA solution in a container in the center of a geodesic dome. This dome is made of gold and the air is entirely filled with noble gases because they are non reactive and conduct electromagnetic energy. Like Gold.

The geodesic dome would be made of gold wires that are exposed to the noble gases, and then circuits are run in the exact shape of the LSA chemical. Next you reverse the Amide by reversing the electrical flow. the amide flips, and then you introduce ethane gas and more energy to fuse the ethanes to the polarized amide.

Still workin on the math but its what LSD told me to make to make LSD. XD

[HushBull]

That went totally over my head...
Uhh, don't blow yourself up.?

[salmon4me]

I have been studying LSD chemistry for quite some time now. I have come across 2 realizations. LSA is a geodesic chemical, and LSD is a geodesic chemical. This means if you draw LSD on a soccer ball all you need is the Lines on the ball. LSA is the exact same.

My theory is that you put an LSA solution in a container in the center of a geodesic dome. This dome is made of gold and the air is entirely filled with noble gases because they are non reactive and conduct electromagnetic energy. Like Gold.

The geodesic dome would be made of gold wires that are exposed to the noble gases, and then circuits are run in the exact shape of the LSA chemical. Next you reverse the Amide by reversing the electrical flow. the amide flips, and then you introduce ethane gas and more energy to fuse the ethanes to the polarized amide.

Still workin on the math but its what LSD told me to make to make LSD. XD

Cool. Get er' dun. :)

[StonerBill]

If you could get the money then this is a good idea, create a large array of gold grooves that diethyl amide and LSA both bind to, then bind to eachother. sort of like how the body naturally functions on a molecular level!

but i dont think it would have to be a soccer ball, rather, a large array of slots, millions of rows and millions of columns.

Dont give up the plan!

Nanotechnology has a lot of promise

[stalk]

holy shit that is amazing alchemy...

keep following this path.

[azygous420]

Ok check this out, I did the math, this is how you find the radius of a unit geodesic sphere.

sin(90-180/15 + (33/72)) / sin(360/15 + (33/72))X = the radius.

So what X is the multiplier based on how big of units you want to make for the sphere but it would default at one and just be.

sin(90-180/15 + (33/72)) / sin(360/15 + (33/72))

so this also makes fact that a sphere made of spheres makes a geodesic sphere. As seen in this picture...

http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~cs175/Images/Buckyball.png (http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/%7Ecs175/Images/Buckyball.png)

so a sphere with unit, or base 1 inch spheres would have a
sin(90-180/15 + (33/72)) / sin(360/15 + (33/72)) inch radius.

instantly forms a geodesic sphere a perfect one.
60 spheres are needed, gold spheres 1 inch, put at that radius and halogen or noble gases are used. What ever halogens or noble gases that made the right frequency of light, ie UV light, would cause only the LSA to vibrate at its resonance enabling manipulation.

[orison319]

holy shit that is amazing alchemy...

keep following this path.
Sometimes a little lightning goes a long way :)

[StonerBill]

how do you apply the LSA to the mechanism if it is occuring in gas?

[stalk]

Ok check this out, I did the math, this is how you find the radius of a unit geodesic sphere.

sin(90-180/15 + (33/72)) / sin(360/15 + (33/72))X = the radius.

So what X is the multiplier based on how big of units you want to make for the sphere but it would default at one and just be.

sin(90-180/15 + (33/72)) / sin(360/15 + (33/72))

so this also makes fact that a sphere made of spheres makes a geodesic sphere. As seen in this picture...

http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~cs175/Images/Buckyball.png (http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/%7Ecs175/Images/Buckyball.png)

so a sphere with unit, or base 1 inch spheres would have a
sin(90-180/15 + (33/72)) / sin(360/15 + (33/72)) inch radius.

instantly forms a geodesic sphere a perfect one.
60 spheres are needed, gold spheres 1 inch, put at that radius and halogen or noble gases are used. What ever halogens or noble gases that made the right frequency of light, ie UV light, would cause only the LSA to vibrate at its resonance enabling manipulation.


cymatic sacred alchemy.

you, my friend, are a genius.

[azygous420]

Here is it in the most detail I can summon.

There is a geodesic dome, existing on a plane. On that plane in the very center of the dome is an inverted dome, smaller and below the plain like a bowl. both are spheres and gold. The exact same dimensions means, common manipulation in the outer sphere to the inner sphere. In the bowl you place an aqueous solution.

Ethyl Alcohol and LSA extract.
or Water and LSA extract.

The dome is all contained in a glass something, like an aquarium, and filled with halogen gas, or non reactive noble gases. Preferably a gas thats not reactive and produces UV light. The LSA wont react with the gold or the noble gases.

Next you electrically manipulate the structure in the shape of the LSA molecule, and then the molecule in the aqueous solution resonates and aligns to a magnetic field specific to its molecular shape.

Now the electric manipulation on the structure of the geodesic dome will be reversed on the part where the amide is. This flips the amide.

Then ethane gas is added and fused through manipulation of the sphere in the parts that are where the two (diethylamide) ethyls will be.

This might require the ethane gas to bubbling through the aqueous solution.

Then you have LSD

[stalk]

how the hell did you figure this out?

Is there anybody on planet Earth that's doing this?

this is by far the most amazing thing I have ever read on hip forums.

[azygous420]

dude I'm writing a book called the world on LSD. Its about 2012 and the connection of human consciousness through LSD, and Telepathic connections will form. From there we will see a new reality and it will be multipul realities like the internet and you can live forever. Its what Terence Mckenna called the transcendental object at the end of time.

[stalk]

dude I'm writing a book called the world on LSD. Its about 2012 and the connection of human consciousness through LSD, and Telepathic connections will form. From there we will see a new reality and it will be multipul realities like the internet and you can live forever. Its what Terence Mckenna called the transcendental object at the end of time.

Wonderful, I like your style, where do you live? Oregon?

I totally resonate with you, my friend.
I have had visions of time spiraling into a crescendo, bursting orgasmically.
Didn't hear about terence mckenna until later, and he has become my dead mentor, I love him, and I love your work so much...

When will you be able to test this?

Has anyone ever done it?

[azygous420]

I live in Washington, Spokane, But yeah, as far as I can tell this is a genuine concept and its my own as far as I have researched it. But now that the ideas are out there LSD will be everywhere. I have no means of feasibly achieving this now but I know the people that make acid now, would probably want to do it this way instead.

[azygous420]

But yeah spread the word get people on this forum to check out this thread so the ideas can make there way to the people that make acid now.

[stalk]

So much divinity is sprouting from that corner of the Earth...

If you could keep in contact with me, I would be grateful. When you are finished with your book I would love to help spread this knowledge.

This is what alchemists were trying to achieve thousands of years ago they just had absolutely no idea how to combine sacred geometry with the alkaloid shapes.

genius.

[azygous420]

We'll I'll keep you posted on anything new thats come up. dustin.goodpaster@gmail.com... Thats how you contact the mad alchemist. XD

[mephist00]

wow, that is sick.. amazing work
when is your book due to be released?

[azygous420]

It might just be like a short book like 30 pages or so and contain blue prints for the geodesic construction and what not, I still need to study the 4th dimension and learn more about atoms, because I've had this theory that electrons are 4th dimensional partials. Anyway I'm using a CAD Program to sketch up some blue prints, get this things off the drawing board and into reality ASAP. So I would rather it be a short profound book then spend the time to make add more unneeded things when the concept is almost complete.

[orison319]

I dont know you guys.. But Id be concerned about this.
I mean such a breakthrough is bound to draw attention.... :p
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=image&s_req=eefb4b78743850d6&s_cq=alien+abduction+animated+gif&s_cid=129218824580316597787844668423667251922&s_cim=1223841998736&s_cu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hermanisnotdead.com%2Fanimat ed_gifs%2Faa.gif&s_cd=ImgDet&s_cm=image_details.M.xml

[azygous420]

Does anyone know a good 2d Cad or drafting program, user friendly, free, where I can input non tangible values for the radius of a circle and so on?

[StonerBill]

I dig the idea but I think you need to develop some aspects a bit more. Eg, the whole geodisic dome thing.. LSD only fits on the geodisic pattern of the soccerball approximately. The carbon rings in LSD are all different sizes, and the pentagonal ring is not quite a perfect pentagon. Conventional chemistry simplifies the structure of the molecule. assuming you knew this, then why a dome?

but the concept of using nanotechnology to make the conversion is key, because LSA is a very structured molecule. The reason it is so hard to make LSD in a chemistry lab is because there are so many places on the molecule where reactions can occur.

by securing the molecule onto a nanostructure, the site of reaction can be precisely placed.

but I think you might want to put the dome idea to the side, unless it radically increases the production cost to do otherwise.

Im pretty sure they have the technology to do this sort of chemistry, but none of the funders are interested in LSD.

using an array of mini-domes, the dome idea can be useful insofar as you can fill the dome with electrical circuitry required to detect and control (/react to) the reaction progress

Why exactly is the dome structure relevant? I figured that such shapes are easier to construct than irregular configurations. is there any other reason to choose the dome?

[stalk]

resonant frequency, that's why sacred geometry is key.

perfection.

[StonerBill]

sometimes I wish you would elabourate, to save the impression that you are just using buzwords, stalk!

[stalk]

In his instruction, he talks about the resonant frequency vibration causing the change (I'm not chemist this is just how I interpreted it)

Well, if you use a perfect shape like that, you can get a perfect resonant frequency...

I like being minimal. You can interpret my words any way you want.

Od N

[StonerBill]

i think the resonance he talks about is regarding the LSD, not the dome

[stalk]

Really?

Interesting... well, I'll have to wait and see until he gets back because the way I understand it you use the resonant frequency of the dome to trigger the switch.

I wonder...does LSD have a resonant frequency? If so...what is it?

O.O

[azygous420]

I was talking about the UV light, is the resonant frequency of the LSA chemical, and LSD as well, meaning they show up in black light ETC. This makes the chemical's atoms pulsate from the lower to higher energy levels, enabling manipulations and fusing of atoms.
WHY FIRE MAKES LIGHT AND SUCH IN CHEMISTRY.

When the chemical resonates it aligns with the magnetic field made by the dome.

[stalk]

brilliant!

[azygous420]

I'm gonna build a geodesic structure tonight to study the geometry. Build it out of marshmallows and toothpicks. Take pictures and develop a picture to better display my thoughts.

[stalk]

slowly falling into place...

I can see how inevitable this is, I can see how your ideas are about to transform us.

it gives me the chills.

[azygous420]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/LSAcopy.jpg

Lysergic Acid Amide

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/LSD.jpg

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

[stalk]

amazing how similar they are...

[azygous420]

The problem I'm having is blue printing the thing, like doing 3D CAD sketches with intangible values for the radius of a sphere, a unit geodesic sphere made of spheres.

[stalk]

I wish I could follow that...but you are way ahead of me, mate.

[snocbor]

Oh this is big..

[stalk]

Yeah, man. It gives me chills every time I think about it.

[azygous420]

Check it, I printed off like 100 something flyer's explaining the basic concepts behind the Geodesic Chemical Converter at a barter faire and got the word spread pretty well, to a lot of people on acid that know people with acid and can get the info down the line to the people making acid now.

[stalk]

awesome...glad to hear that.
I talked to some of my friends about it and they are very intrigued.

[azygous420]

I have this theory that time is a compounding geodesic fractal, and human consciousness is a geodesic construction and thats why humans minds can resonate and connect. Melotonin, DMT, Serotonin, LSD, LSA, all are geodesic, and all are regulators of consciousness.

Fun stuff...
Nice -Sticky-!!!
Look up Geodesic Chemistry on Google, and you got this thread first link.
Geodesic LSD too, so tell people to look those up to find info and news on it.

[snocbor]

I have this theory that time is a compounding geodesic fractal, and human consciousness is a geodesic construction and thats why humans minds can resonate and connect. Melotonin, DMT, Serotonin, LSD, LSA, all are geodesic, and all are regulators of consciousness.

Fun stuff...
Nice -Sticky-!!!
Look up Geodesic Chemistry on Google, and you got this thread first link.
Geodesic LSD too, so tell people to look those up to find info and news on it.

Very fun. I'll spread the word, it's too intriguing..

[azygous420]

LIVE FOREVER,
MAKE LSD,
BE A GOD.



-Make a gold geodesic dome.


-Use LSA in an aqueous solution.


-The Dome is bisected by a plain.


-Center of that plain is a inverted dome
below the plain.


-LSA, and LSD both resonate at UV light frequencies.


-Use florescent gases or noble gases in the air because it non-reactive.


-The gases will cause the electric manipulation of the gold sphere, to electromagnetically alter the LSA as it lines up with a magnetic field through resonance and perfect geometry.



http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/LSAcopy.jpg


-You first highlight the LSA structure on the sphere, so only the LSA chemicals align to that field and resonance.


-Next your reverse the electric flow from the place of the O to the N to flow opposite.


-This causes the N and the O to flip places.



http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/LSD.jpg


-Next you introduce Ethane gas, and highlight the 2 branches off the N in the top left with electric current.


-The ethanes fuse to the polarize nitrogen because its polarized and its pulsating from the higher to lower energy levels.


-This is Electromagnetic Chemical Physics.

[stalk]

Is this done on a nanotechnological scale or not?

[azygous420]

The Consequences...


-From this we will see wide spread easily accessible LSD synthesized from morning glory seeds or hawaiian baby woodrose seeds..


-Inevitably the 4th dimension will be the byproduct of human minds all connecting telepathically.


-This telepathic world will be much like the Internet where you can live and exist forever and it will be any and every existence you could want or imagine.


-Humans breakthrough to the 4th dimension in 2012, on December 21st.


-This is the byproduct of time being a compounding fractal, and LSD is part of this geodesic fractal of time and mind.




Compounding Spheres.


-There are several ways to create a geodesic sphere, and the simplest would be unit spheres.


- Bucky balls are carbon atoms making compounding spheres.


- At the right radius and the right number of unit sized spheres would instantly form a geodesic sphere.


-Because atoms are spheres its my belief that electrons are 4th dimensional partials.


-So under this impression it makes the most since to manipulate spheres electrically it would best be done with spheres.


-Look up Geodesic Chemistry on Google and click the first link.



Exposed electrical circuits.


-Wires instead of unit spheres would be a possibility as well.


-The electric manipulation in the wires would be transfered at the resonant frequency of the noble or florescent gases.


-This will mean it will align with only the LSA chemical, and no others in a solution.


-There may still be a possibility that the ethane needs to be bubbling through the aqueous solution containing the LSA.


-There is nothing the government or the world can do to prevent or should do to prevent the movement of the universe as a whole, best of luck to you on your adventures.

[azygous420]

The last two are the best compilation of the concept and was passed out in the exact manner you see on flyer's.

I don't know the exact dimensions of the thing because right now this is just a concept that is just being amplified to get to the person that needs the information and can use it to develop full scale blue prints.

[stalk]

Roger that. One of my friends suggested it would have to be...personally I have no idea. Thanks for the update...
This is good information to spread into the matrix.

[azygous420]

Nano-sized no, you would want something you can put on a table and work with. I think that it really just comes down to the unit proportions of the lengths of the outer sphere and the inner sphere. This means each line on that sphere must be the same length. This is how trig goes about gartering data of intangible numbers, to make them tangible they use unit proportions, unit circles and so on. Unit proportions are the key to intangible constants.

[stalk]

so this thing could pump out crystals...

You know,
I've seen into the future, other beings working with sacred geometry to flow divinity...

it never made much sense to me until now.

[azygous420]

Yes the 4th dimension told me how to build this, and the fact that I had the collection of experiences in physics and the above average intelligence to make it a reality. I still have yet to try DMT, buy my goal is to take DMT and turn my brain into a multidimensional supercomputer.

[stalk]

You're definitely on the right track..
n, n-dmt is the ticket.

[stalk]

Personally
I think we can all already access these realms.
2012 is just a marker...like a birthday..

[azygous420]

Well yeah, but thats when we become God's of that other realm and live forever in the multidimensional telepathic human super computer. If this works, this makes heaven a mathematical fact. Part of the the time wave compounding geodesic fractal. This means no one dies anymore everyone is the God of their own reality. Also I learned that God's only commandment in all this is. God Demands Freedom For His People.

[stalk]

Thus,
the universe gives Birth

[azygous420]

Exactly Its a resonance to the start of the graph, at zero, when the big bang started. But now its the birth of a 4th dimensional multi-verse.

[stalk]

So much has happened in just a century...

It's amazing to ponder the possibilities.

Thank you so much...

[snocbor]

The Consequences...


-From this we will see wide spread easily accessible LSD synthesized from morning glory seeds or hawaiian baby woodrose seeds..


-Inevitably the 4th dimension will be the byproduct of human minds all connecting telepathically.


-This telepathic world will be much like the Internet where you can live and exist forever and it will be any and every existence you could want or imagine.


-Humans breakthrough to the 4th dimension in 2012, on December 21st.


-This is the byproduct of time being a compounding fractal, and LSD is part of this geodesic fractal of time and mind.


Wait what? :eek:

[stalk]

If you can't fathom it...You will.

[snocbor]

If you can't fathom it...You will.

So what does this mean for people who have not used LSD?

[stalk]

Death...rebirth...

sacred geometrical Sacraments yield the future of consciousness..

((In a nutshell))

[azygous420]

There is a big dip in the time wave fractal at the end of next month. According to Terrence McKenna this would coincide with some sort of bad or rough times ahead. But those that live to December 12th, 2012 will be Gods, thats all I can see out of this.

[stalk]

we already are....already have been...and already will be...

[espfeelit]

how many people is that before LSD

[stalk]

how many people is that before LSD

0

[azygous420]

I think humans all go to heaven, but here's the catch, no one goes unless enough humans are around in 2012 to connect minds to form the new reality. This mean God wants you to be free as you can be with out hurting anyone else or that lowers the likely hood of making it to heaven. Everyone needs to see that we all must work and live together through hard times to overcome and create heaven. All the humans in the past all had DMT in their brains doing its thing to resonate out the base line existence of that person to the 4th dimension, but in order for that soul to really be at rest humans must grow together with nature and each other to make heaven a reality for everyone.

God wants freedom for his people. All of his people.

[espfeelit]

hmm, sounds a bit radical...

[stalk]

Indeed.

It's not radical,
it's the truth...

I resonate with this guy so much, I love it.

[espfeelit]

an understanding of human nature and a broader outlook may break one free of the cycle, drugs only act as a catalyst

[stalk]

Can you start a new thread if you want to argue against the divinity of our sacrament?

Thank you.

This thread is about chemistry

not your opinion.

Start a new thread! please! I'd love to post!

[espfeelit]

ah sorry just sounds radical.

[azygous420]

LSD is no drug, THC is no drug, DMT is no drug, LSA is not a drug, Melatonin, serotonin, mescaline, psilocybin, are consciousness regulators, that all base around the 5 HTP receptors in human minds except THC which reacts specifically with the cannabinoid receptors in the human brain are designed all for consciousness regulation. With non toxic chemicals

LSD, LSA, mescaline, Psilocybin and Psilocin, Melatonin, Serotonin, DMT, all Geodesic chemicals, all non toxic, all designed to be used in the human mind to alter reality and finish off the equation.

These are not drugs these are god's non toxic gifts and portals to the higher reality, coffee is more poisonous then these pure chemicals.

[stalk]

LSD is no drug, THC is no drug, DMT is no drug, LSA is not a drug, Melatonin, serotonin, mescaline, psilocybin, are consciousness regulators, that all base around the 5 HTP receptors in human minds except THC which reacts specifically with the cannabinoid receptors in the human brain are designed all for consciousness regulation. With non toxic chemicals

LSD, LSA, mescaline, Psilocybin and Psilocin, Melatonin, Serotonin, DMT, all Geodesic chemicals, all non toxic, all designed to be used in the human mind to alter reality and finish off the equation.

These are not drugs these are god's non toxic gifts and portals to the higher reality, coffee is more poisonous then these pure chemicals.


So true.
This is not radical
this is realization.

[espfeelit]

rastafarianism

[stalk]

rastafarianism

Has nothing to do with this....

Can you start your own thread?
You obviously are underestimating the power of this technology.

[espfeelit]

nope came to learn. youre blinded by your ignorance yet im open for understanding, not challenging you. maybe you need to open your own.

[stalk]

nope came to learn. youre blinded by your ignorance yet im open for understanding, not challenging you. maybe you need to open your own.

Wonderful. Have a seat. Read the thread. Enjoy, my friend.

[azygous420]

Indeed knowledge and freedom for everyone who wants to be a God.

[snocbor]

Indeed knowledge and freedom for everyone who wants to be a God.

Are there any other steps? Ways to benefit? Ways to help?

[stalk]

Are there any other steps? Ways to benefit? Ways to help?


Just flow along the path...

all is reflection.

[azygous420]

Guide people to these ideas ASAP. Thats all thats left to do.

For sure I keep looking back over all the coincidences that led to this point is just so crazy it makes perfect since though.

[azygous420]

Guide people to these ideas ASAP. Thats all thats left to do.

For sure I keep looking back over all the coincidences that led to this point is just so crazy it makes perfect since though.

:cheers2: Get stoned... :D:hat::toetap05:

[azygous420]

Do you know if smoking DMT on LSD changes the effects? This might be a good way to go about making your brain into a multidimensional supercomputer.

[stalk]

Do you know if smoking DMT on LSD changes the effects? This might be a good way to go about making your brain into a multidimensional supercomputer.

Yes. This is by far the best method. LSD is the soulular lubricant, n, n-dmt is the key to hyperspace. This is as far as my knowledge takes me. There is much work to be done.

[azygous420]

Yes, I think there are multiple ways through which to enter the DMT realm. When you sleep melatonin replaces serotonin and then you enter the DMT realm with your brain in Melatonin gear. When you smoke DMT sober you enter the realm ill-equipped to fully interprete the messages and manipulations. LSD enables the mind to use DMT to restructure your brain further.

First you take LSD, your mind is prepped to exist in this reality and the other reality to some degree. LSD restructures your brain, that is my belief, and then afterward its like having a dual core processor installed. Next you use LSD and right when you hard core peak you smoke DMT so the Other world can have something to fully latch onto and conceptualize and make your mind a multidimensional computer by helping it restructure the mind again.

[stalk]

It's the best method, by far.

[espfeelit]

i think if bullshit can have dogs, and the dogs were yellow, this would be one of them, completely off topic from the thread, these last 2 pages have been, chemistry met religion somewhere and that wasnt the start of this thread, for me to challenge your statements is as irrelevant as you posting the statements to begin with. stalk, start your own thread about fanatics.

[stalk]

I have many, thanks.

If you don't dig the sutra, take it somewhere else...you have just been a nuisance here. You want to argue our divinity? Eat some LSD smoke some DMT fly through hyperspace at the speed of light, then get back to us.

This is not bullshit. This is the future of our species, whether you can fathom that or not.

We're on the brink of a massive breakthrough. Go Homb.

[espfeelit]

lol ok. delusions anyone? have fun with it. belongs in religion. btw, you dont intimidate me.

[stalk]

Did you know n, n-dmt and 5-meo-dmt are endogenous to your little human body?

Do you have any idea what that means?

There are humans trying to figure this out.
Such as azgous and myself.

Please take your ignorance elsewhere.
You are not appreciated here at all.

This is not religion, this is chemistry.

[stalk]

Have you ever read any n, n-dmt reports such as the ones documented by Rick Strassman Ph.d?
You sound like one of the monkeys who've never read anything in regards to this amazing science.

[stalk]

http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Paths-Outer-Space-Psychedelics/dp/159477224X/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224650051&sr=1-7

[espfeelit]

lol. funny.

[stalk]

It's the funniest thing in the universe.

[espfeelit]

yeah.

[StonerBill]

I agree with espfeelit, this thread was meant to be about a chemical mechanism.

All your personal feelings about the direction of the universe are actually off topic and you should be amking other threads for it, if you are going to tell someone else to make a new thread, stalk.

I think we should all be trying to figure out what is going on here. But just because certain chemicals are produced in the human body.. doesnt mean much at all. Instead of looking at it like this:
There are chemicals that are made in the human body that can make us have psychedelic experiences, as if we are meant to have psychedelic experiences
think of it like this, perhaps:
psychedelic experiences occur when certain endogenous chemicals are over-present. Psychedelic drugs imitate these chemicals, and allow us to 'overpresent' these endogenous chems.

This thread really got lost when it started suggesting that humans will all go to heaven and be gods and make their own realities. AS LONG AS WE ALL TAKE LSD

wtf? LSD is just one of many chemicals that can open our eyes to brilliant things.

These things are only brilliant in contrast and in reference to the mundane structure that society inhabits.

Evolution is so misunderstood - it does not follow a steady trajectory toward 'Greatness' or toward an 'end'

things that survive continue in this world.. if LSD helps us survive in this world.. then we may evolve along with LSD.. but LSD only seems to help us in our personal worlds, which will only serve to aid our transition to the possible afterlife, but will never impact a MASSIVE ROCK COVERED IN MUSING MONKEYS

thats my op.

[stalk]

I agree.

I'm only going with the flow of this guys thread, mate.

Yes, his opinions are a little out there, but I don't take anything seriously...

poetically and metaphorically.

[azygous420]

Right now I'm just trying to get a fuller picture of human consciousness, and the best way to do that is to study, LSD, DMT, and all the other Geodesic Chemicals that can alter reality. Since LSD my mind has been restructured, and that is what made this concept come to light in the first place. A religious pursuit of the truth has led to these realizations and I think taking it one step further is what will, and needs to happen. Non the less these are hypothesis' and will remain that until the full math is done by someone with the means to build this.

I think that if this becomes fact, fundamental religious facts can be drawn from these realities, to me it would make perfect since for life to have a mathematical path, to be a gear in a machine, to have no free will, and to eventually be the God's of a new reality.

Once again this is only speculation, but it does not fall that far off topic when your really see the full implications of this technology, and how predestined we seem to be for this cosmic change to a higher dimension.

Non the less I don't know if I'm right, I can only speculate and this is the path is leads me to is a cosmic religious destiny...

I am very open to being proved wrong, after all this is just science, and this is just a hypothesis that just happens to tie reality together for me. And Stalk too apearantly.

[ethix]

who's crazier. he who knows it of himself. or he who denies himself of the higher possibilities. i leave all things up to chance. they will not happen till its already over. try not to live in anxious uncertainty, enjoy life to its fullest and take it as it comes. you will know soon enough.:cheers2:

[azygous420]

By God's I really mean 4th Dimensional Creatures, and I'm only speaking in religious terms to simplify things.

Basically in 2012 human minds telepathically connect if this machine works and makes LSD as accessible as pot. That explains Terence McKenna's time wave fractal. Basically this telepathic supercomputer is like the Matrix and you can live forever and do anything you can possibly want or imagine. Eventually it will span all of time and space as multidimensional beings exist in the past, present, and future simultaneously.

I think its the thing they are trying to explain in the movie Walking Life too.

You might not know it but every human is telepathic, its because our consciousness' are all the same design. Based off geodesic structures as to enable multidimensional resonances. So you are basically like a God of your own reality, but you could also call God the universal mind.

[stalk]

I highly recommend this video for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu6WFr61I-g

[azygous420]

Can someone consult someone that can do the math and tell me if geodesic sphere are made of unit lengths, and if so find the relative radius of the thing. So basically you take a geodesic sphere made of unit lengths and a set number like 60 lines, then find the radius based on each length being 1 inch. I've seen it made of unit spheres so I'm sure you can I just can't get the math right.

[stalk]

math is definitely not my department...
sorry bro
:(

[azygous420]

I have done more research to find it is actually called a truncated icosahedron. the geodesic sphere like thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_icosahedron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_icosahedron)

And the sides are unit lengths making this seem much more realistic now that I've got that verified.

[framesh1ft]

I hate to be the one to rain on your hippy, psychedelic parade (I am fond of both) but it is so far removed from chemistry that I have a difficult time thinking that anyone would be succesfull in such a a synthesis. yet perhaps i am wrong. if someone can answer these questions the fog may lift.
The gold catalyst structure: what size are we talking. how would the substituted amine be induced to preferentially be directed in the correct position and orientation. Why should it bind at one end and not another simply because it is on a clever if not impossible catalyst (nano?) made of an element that costs several hundred dollars per oz. If things were so easy then all anybody would need to do is add the correct amount of carbon black, some nitrogen gas, flip a switch, and presto chango, beautiful L.

how would the catalyst be constructed, assuming you could afford the raw materials.

exactly what reaction would be catalyzed?

Could this art, this technology, be used to create a neurodevice that mimicks L?

[azygous420]

I have been doing some discussion with a friend of mine studying chemistry, in his 3rd year of college saying I could be right on this one. But that is not to persuade, it just makes me very happy to know I could be on to something big.

I don't think the geodesic dome has to be gold, I think the only Gold you need is the hemisphere containing the LSA in an aqueous solution. Because a Truncated Icosahedron is a spherical construction locked to a specific radius as it is built of unit lengths.

The outer spherical structure is just electrical, not gold, just electric wires because it doesn't touch the LSA its conducting electricity to make electromagnetic fields in a locked geometry through the chamber.

The Inner sphere is just a solid gold hemisphere. This part is touching the LSA solution so the gold conducts off excess electric energy in the chemical keeping it from breaking down and does not bond to the gold.

The raw materials are just build a very exact truncated icosahedron that can be electrically manipulated. Can be fairly cheep compared to a LSD lab.
Next mater, a small gold hemisphere. Can't be that much, not when your making lot of LSD. Next raw material, morning glory seeds or Hawaiian baby wood rose seeds. much more accessible then, ergot, and lysergic derivatives. Argon gas, and Ethane too...

The size would be something you can put on a table and work with. Were talking you don't need to goto college to make LSD here, I'm 18 I've never taken a college course in my life... If you got a simple construction made of unit lengths. You are pretty much set up. These materials are simple to come by if you make acid now...

So the plan is get those people making LSD this way and then bam... The World is on LSD.

[espfeelit]

i think its possible, a different catalyist maybe?

[azygous420]

I'm guessing the bonds on a buckyball are all unit lengths, so the plan is to force the chemical into a spherical magnetic field to make to bonds unit lengths for relative manipulation. Gold is not really a catalyst per say, but more like an anti-catalyst to keep the chemical aligned to a spherical magnetic field and keep the chemical from breaking down by being inert and super super conductive. So the electric energy can move from the molecule to the gold with out bonding to the gold.

[azygous420]

LSD, LSA, Melatonin, Serotonin, DMT, Psilocin, 5-HTP, Bufotenin, 5-MeO-DMT, NMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-methyltryptamine), Tryptophan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan), AET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-ethyltryptamine), AMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphamethyltryptamine), DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyltryptamine), DiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisopropyltryptamine), 5-MeO-AMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-AMT), 4-HO-DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DET),4-HO-DIPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DIPT), 5-MeO-DIPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-DIPT), 4-HO-MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-MiPT). These all interact with the 5-HT receptors in the human brain, alter consciousness, and all fit the truncated icosahedron.

Adding more...
5-CT, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-Carboxamidotryptamine) 2C-B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-B), DOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine), DOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine), MDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine), MDEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDEA), myristicin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myristicin), elemicin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elemicin), 8-OH-DPAT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-OH-DPAT), flesinoxan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesinoxan), MDMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxymethamphetamine), vilazodone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilazodone), ergotamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotamine), pindolol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindolol), there are others that interact with the 5ht receptor that are not in perfect structure with this shape too, but the majority of them seem to be. salvinorin A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvinorin_A) fits the truncated rhombic triacontahedron.

Psilocybin (O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) is a prodrug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrug) that is converted into the pharmacologically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacology) active compound psilocin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin) in the body by dephosphorylation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dephosphorylation). <Wiki< So thus Psilocybin fits the picture too as it just breaks down in to Psilocin...

[espfeelit]

ah i see.

[azygous420]

OK check this out, 2 of the 4 chemicals in DNA, fit the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_icosahedron

The other 2 fit this shape...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_rhombic_triacontahedron

DNA Chemicals...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DNA_chemical_structure.svg

[espfeelit]

what happens if the magnetic pressure of the bonds gets released when you take the gold away after the reaction occurs? for all you know, you might be creating a manhattan project with alternative elements :p

[azygous420]

"This shape was also the configuration of the lenses used for focusing the explosive shock waves of the detonators in both the gadget (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_gadget) and Fat Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man) atomic bombs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bomb). " Truncated Icosahedron... to Quote Wikipedia... Funny you should mention that.

But no, the gold is there just to keep the chemical from breaking down, if the gold is taken away with the energy in the chemical it will simply break a part not like an atom breaks apart, its more like decomposing then exploding...

[espfeelit]

oh. i see, i was just kidding..

[azygous420]

My friend said the magnetic fields involved might not be strong enough, align the chemical to a unit spherical construction. He has his doubts, and I think I will step back into doubt and await a second revaluation to chase to bitter end to find my answers. Never the less everyone in the world should be preparing for the possibility of the emergence of this technology and the radical implications there of. Because if the realities exist that LSA can be converted to LSD the whole world will change. Nazi Germany had LSD in its grasp but didn't know its powerful effects. Let the people study LSD to foresee the implications and brace for them. How Strange.

[StonerBill]

Most chemicals that involve benzene rings fit on the soccerball because carbon seldom ever conforms to a square or triangle, or seven-sided shape. It is generally only stable in haxagon shape, or pentagon shape, particularly when nitrogen is introduced. Also, in order for a pentagon to be stable, it usually has to be adjacent to a benzene-ring

this is a contingent property, it is not the signature of the divine credence of life, it is an indication of 'that which worked'

[azygous420]

My understanding of quantum physics is limited as I have had no college, but these ideas seems highly possible of doing the task, but what is that holds chemicals to a specific shape?

The nuclear force of atoms may be too strong to be counteracted electrically by any simple means?

And what is the connection between bonding and resonance?

As I stated before fire makes light. Water bends and refracts light, magnifies it too. If light is made by the Oxygen fusing to the two hydrogens that is due to the movement of the electrons in that specific unit length along that molecule. So does that mean the bonding revels the resonance, or vice versa? Or both?

Does the chemical become more dynamic in its resonant state when the electrons move from the lower to higher energy level?

[podious]

azygous420, I have much respect for you. I have feelings you will go on to better the world. You are out there man, I love it!

Peace and Love!!!!

-Podious

[azygous420]

Cool, thanks. Turns out the Amide on LSA is free spinning so you can flip it as you please. It is also already polarized so all you need to do is excite the LSA and bond ethane to it...

[azygous420]

My friend was having concerns that the strong nuclear force was holding the chemical to its specific shape but I have recently discovered what I already knew but overlooked. Gold is diamagnetic meaning it creates apposing magnetic fields. Thus gold would use the strong force of the chemical to counter that same force in a spherical manner, to align it to a field with hardly any more added energy.

[digital 3.0]

Why even fuck with LSD...Shulgin made so many tryptamines and phenethlyamines...What we need is the legal right to conduct laboratory psychedelic sessions, for the intent of understanding the human consciousness between chemistry and biology. Shulgin is the stepping stone, what lies beyond the valley is many steps ahead, who will be the next stepping stone ahead of the one laid by Alexander Shulgin?

[azygous420]

Yes, I would do my best to be that person but I have no resources to goto college. But indeed it is amazing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptamine, all but 5 of the pharmaceutical variations of the tryptamine are allowed by the human mind to induce psychedelic experiences.

This says quite a bit about human evolution. Tryptamine is a vital amino acid in the majority of nature, and it is very likely that the human animal would encounter these chemicals in nature and the effects were not evolved away from but in the direction of these experiences. Leaving the mind open for consciousness alteration with non toxic chemicals.

[azygous420]

All these chemicals here fit the Truncated Icosahedron... how strange. All are active on the same 5-htp receptor.

Tihkal...

AL-LAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AL-LAD) • DBT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dibutyltryptamine) • DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyltryptamine) • DiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisopropyltryptamine) • 5-MeO-α-MT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-AMT) • DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine) • 2,α-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,Alpha-DMT) • α,N-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha,N-DMT) • DPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropyltryptamine) • EiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylisopropyltryptamine) • α-ET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Ethyltryptamine) • ETH-LAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETH-LAD) • Harmaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmaline) • Harmine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmine) • 4-HO-DBT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DBT) • 4-HO-DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DET) • 4-HO-DiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DiPT) • 4-HO-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DMT) • 5-HO-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotenin) • 4-HO-DPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-DPT) • 4-HO-MET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-MET) • 4-HO-MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-MiPT) • 4-HO-MPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-MPT) • 4-HO-pyr-T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-pyr-T) • LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide) • MBT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylbutyltryptamine) • 4,5-MDO-DiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4,5-MDO-DiPT) • 5,6-MDO-DiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,6-MDO-DiPT) • 4,5-MDO-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4,5-MDO-DMT) • 5,6-MDO-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,6-MDO-DMT) • 5,6-MDO-MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,6-MDO-MiPT) • 2-Me-DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Me-DET) • 2-Me-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,N,N-TMT) • Melatonin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin) • 5-MeO-DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-DET) • 5-MeO-DiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-Methoxy-diisopropyltryptamine) • 5-MeO-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-DMT) • 4-MeO-MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-MeO-MiPT) • 5-MeO-MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-MIPT) • 5,6-MeO-MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5,6-MeO-MiPT) • 5-MeO-NMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-NMT) • 5-MeO-pyr-T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-pyr-T) • 6-MeO-THH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6-MeO-THH) • 5-MeO-TMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeO-2,N,N-TMT) • 5-MeS-DMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-MeS-DMT) • MiPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Methyl-N-isopropyltryptamine) • α-MT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Methyltryptamine) • NET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Ethyltryptamine) • NMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Methyltryptamine) • PRO-LAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRO-LAD) • pyr-T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyr-T) • Tryptamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptamine) • Tetrahydroharmine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydroharmine) • α,N,O-TMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha,_N,_O-TMS)

And all of these...
Pihkal...


AEM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEM_%28psychedelic%29) · AL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allylescaline) · Aleph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_%28psychedelic%29) · Aleph-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_%28psychedelic%29) · Aleph-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_%28psychedelic%29) · Aleph-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_%28psychedelic%29) · Aleph-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_%28psychedelic%29) · Ariadne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariadne_%28psychedelic%29) · Asymbescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymbescaline) · Buscaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buscaline) · Beatrice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_%28psychedelic%29) · Bis-TOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bis-TOM) · BOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOB_%28psychedelic%29) · BOD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOD_%28psychedelic%29) · BOH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOH_%28psychedelic%29) · BOHD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOHD_%28psychedelic%29) · BOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOM_%28psychedelic%29) · 4-Bromo-3,5-dimethoxyamphetamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Bromo-3,5-dimethoxyamphetamine) · 2-Bromo-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Bromo-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine) · 2C-B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-B) · 3C-BZ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3C-BZ) · 2C-C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-C) · 2C-D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-D) · 2C-E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-E) · 3C-E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3C-E) · 2C-F (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-F) · 2C-G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G) · 2C-G-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G) · 2C-G-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G) · 2C-G-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G) · 2C-G-N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-G) · 2C-H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-H) · 2C-I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-I) · 2C-N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-N) · 2C-O (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-O) · 2C-O-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-O-4) · 2C-P (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-P) · · 2C-SE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-SE) · 2C-T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T) · 2C-T-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-2) · 2C-T-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-4) · psi-2C-T-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-4#Homologue) · 2C-T-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-7) · 2C-T-8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-8) · 2C-T-9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-9) · 2C-T-13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-13) · 2C-T-15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-15) · 2C-T-17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-17) · 2C-T-21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-21) · · beta-D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-D) · DESOXY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESOXY) · 2,4-DMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethoxyamphetamine) · 2,5-DMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethoxyamphetamine) · 3,4-DMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethoxyamphetamine) · · DME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DME_%28psychedelic%29) · DMMDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMMDA) · DMMDA-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMMDA-2) · DMPEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMPEA) · DOAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOAM) · DOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine) · DOBU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOBU) · DOC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Chloro-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine) · DOEF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOEF) · DOET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylamphetamine) · DOI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-iodoamphetamine) · DOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine) · psi-DOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi-DOM) · DON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-nitroamphetamine) · DOPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOPR) · Escaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escaline) · EEE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEE_%28psychedelic%29) · EEM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEM_%28psychedelic%29) · EME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EME_%28psychedelic%29) · EMM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMM_%28psychedelic%29) · Ethyl-J (EBDB) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl-J) · Ethyl-K (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl-K) · F-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-2_%28psychedelic%29) · F-22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_%28psychedelic%29) · Flea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLEA_%28psychedelic%29) · 3C-G-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · 3C-G-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · 3C-G-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · 3C-G-N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · Ganesha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha_%28psychedelic%29) · HOT-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOT-2) · HOT-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOT-7) · HOT-17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOT-17) · IDNNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDNNA) · Isomescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomescaline) · Isoproscaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoproscaline) · Iris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_%28psychedelic%29) · J (BDB) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_%28psychedelic%29) · Lophophine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lophophine) · Mescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mescaline) · 4-MA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-MA) · Madam-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madam-6) · Methallylescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methallylescaline) · MDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine) · MDAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDAL) · MDBU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDBU) · MDBZ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDBZ) · · MDDM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDDM) · MDE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDEA) · MDHOET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDHOET) · MDIP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDIP) · MDMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) · MDMC (EDMA) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDMA) · MDMEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMEO) · MDMEOET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMEOET) · MDMP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMP) · MDOH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDOH) · MDPEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPEA) · MDPH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPH) · MDPL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPL) · MDPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDPR) · Metaescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaescaline) · MEDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEDA) · MEE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEE_%28psychedelic%29) · MEM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEM_%28psychedelic%29) · MEPEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEPEA) · Meta-DOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-DOB) · Meta-DOT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-DOT) · Methyl-DMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl-DMA) · Methyl-DOB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl-DOB) · Methyl-J (MBDB) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDB) · Methyl-K (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl-K) · Methyl-MA (PMMA) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramethoxymethamphetamine) · Methyl-MMDA-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · MMDA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29) · MMDA-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · MMDA-3a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · MMDA-3b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · MME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MME_%28psychedelic%29) · Metaproscaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaproscaline) · MPM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPM_%28psychedelic%29) · Ortho-DOT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ortho-DOT) · Proscaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscaline) · Phenescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenescaline) · Phenethylamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenethylamine) · Propynyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propynyl_%28psychedelic%29) · Symbescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbescaline) · 2,3,4,5-Tetramethoxyamphetamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,3,4,5-Tetramethoxyamphetamine) · 3-TASB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TASB_%28psychedelics%29) · 4-TASB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TASB_%28psychedelics%29) · 5-TASB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TASB_%28psychedelics%29) · Thiobuscaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiobuscaline) · 3-TE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thioescaline) · 4-TE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thioescaline) · 3-TIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIM_%28psychedelics%29) · 4-TIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIM_%28psychedelics%29) · 5-TIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIM_%28psychedelics%29) · 3-TM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomescaline) · 4-TM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomescaline) · TMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethoxyamphetamine) · TMA-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethoxyamphetamine) · TMA-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethoxyamphetamine) · TMA-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethoxyamphetamine) · TMA-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethoxyamphetamine) · TMA-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethoxyamphetamine) · 3-TME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TME_%28psychedelics%29) · 4-TME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TME_%28psychedelics%29) · 5-TME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TME_%28psychedelics%29) · 2T-MMDA-3a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · 4T-MMDA-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_%28psychedelic%29#Homologues) · 2-TOET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOET_%28psychedelic%29) · 5-TOET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOET_%28psychedelic%29) · 2-TOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOM_%28psychedelic%29) · 5-TOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOM_%28psychedelic%29) · TOMSO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOMSO) · Thioproscaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thioproscaline) · Trisescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisescaline) · 3-TSB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiosymbescaline) · 4-TSB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiosymbescaline) · 3-T-Trisescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotrisescaline) · 4-T-Trisescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiotrisescaline)



These are the exception...

4-D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-D_%28psychedelic%29), CPM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopropylmescaline), DMCPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCPA), MDCPM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDCPM),

[azygous420]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/triacontahedronLSD2-1.jpg


So does this chemical work on human consciousness, and does it act on the 5-HTP receptor? If so it would be like the counter part for LSD but as a Triacontahedron-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. This might be something like a 12 hour salvia trip, but I have no means to understand how to name this chemical or what it could do. But I call it Triacontahedron-Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

Had the nitrogen in the wrong spot* correct now, and the amide* :@ This is what I meant... CORRECT now.

[snocbor]

Godly..

[azygous420]

As far as I can tell, looking at chemical database after chemical database, no chemical like this really exists except, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinpocetine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinpocetine)

http://www.chemspider.com/
is where I looked too and it came back with nothing. meaning I may have conceptualized a new chemical. This chemical may very well be more powerful then LSD in potency and activity. My prediction is that it will work on the 5-HTP receptor and much like a combination of LSD and DMT.

[buzzjuice]

azygous. dude, what do you need done for this to be properly pursued?

[azygous420]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/triacontahedronBASE.jpg

I have looked and looked but it appears this highly potential pharmaceutical Base does not exist in any chemical data base I have come across. I call it the Triacontahedron Base. The T-LSD could be made by fusing diethyamide to the top ring.

But something concerns me. Why is it no one has made this simple shape in all of the chemical databases I can find.

So many chemical variations could be made from this base which I am absolutly positive can cross the blood brain barrier and almost certainly be active.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/Vinpocetinecopy.jpg

Vinpocetine, is very similar and can cross the blood brain barrier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinpocetine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinpocetine)

As far as the LSA to LSD converter, I have doubts that it will work but it does intrigue me that it can allude to being the perfect tool for the job. Its very important that I did stumble down that path and find T-LSD. Which I can assume is my conceptualization. My invention of sorts.

It helped to bring to the surface the underlying similarities of the chemicals which play a role in consciousness.

[azygous420]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/T-LSD.jpg
T-LSD

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/LSD.jpg
LSD-25

[azygous420]

Right now I'm trying to find a grant or some money somehow to attend college to find a way to synthesize the triacontahedron base tryptamine chemical. I will then synthesize all the pharmaceutical variations of this tryptamine for the first time in history, like tihkal and pihkal. The substructure exists fairly rarely in chemical databases.

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=10088443&loc=ec_rcs

http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.8263980.html (http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.8263980.html)

So I guess this may be a fairly difficult synthesis. Unless I can find a natural source of the base triacontahedron.

[snocbor]

Just amazing man.....

But where is stalk :confused: :(

[StonerBill]

mate you have a great imagination but you are going ahead of yourself here!!!
why do you think that this theoretical compound would work at all?
because it fits on the soccerball?

you really should go study organic chem and it might become more clear why people have not made that chemical.

I mean, your chemical is actually nothing like 'Vinpocetine'.

im not being a cynical bastard, I just dont want you to get too caught up with imaginary chemistry.

and why are you ignoring my input? there are serious logical discrepancies going on here. I mentioned before that although some chemicals might be able to be drawn on top of that 'Truncated Icosahedron', it doesnt mean that the actual molecules end up conforming to equal bond lengths, or that they are are stable when 'reconfigured' around a spherical surface.

cmmmmmon dude, you are getting people real hyped up about this

[azygous420]

you are right the lengths aren't the same so I don't think the LSA to LSD converter would work in the form I proposed but the ideas will probably have an effect on understanding these chemicals. But I have learned quite a bit about brain chemistry just from this thread that I do think I can make the leap in logic that the T-LSD chemical would be active.
1 its a tryptamine, it can cross the blood brain barrier.
2 it has the DMT structure, mescaline, and LSD structures all somewhat tied up in this shape.
3 I am planning on taking organic chemistry, I think it is foolish to think that you should ignore mathematical perfection in these chemicals are sheer coincidence. Nitrogens or no nitrogens the majority of the chemical physics would be not that dissimilar from those of PAH's, and I only mentioned Vinpocetine because it was the only chemical I could find even closely related but also it too is a tryptamine and can cross the blood brain barrier, as all tryptamines do... so thus they are connected.

I put this information up to try to understand the complexities of LSD synthesis and to pose some, what seem, very realistic and profound results of the technology. In the process finding the underlying structures of all these chemicals was, as I predicted before verifying (based on process of elimination), all conforming to the truncated icosahedron.

I know you say they are approximations but, this is just where it made logical since to take this. make the triacontahedron version of LSD, especially when most tryptamines are very powerful and mostly non-toxic, especially those naturally made.

[StonerBill]

Your passion is needed in this world. But it must be coupled with reasonability.
The geometric configurations are not coincidence, per se. They are just the logical result of a chemical system using carbon, hydrogen, and nitrogen atoms.

Now, T-LSD does not have DMT embedded (though it does have tryptamine), or a phenethylamine, whereas LSD does.

can you elaborate on the theory?

[azygous420]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h155/azygous_420/T-LSDnew.jpg

Blue is the DMT structure with the tail wrapped in on it self, Yellow is the Phenethylamine.

To me, it seems that the tail nitrogen on the phenethylamine, and the base nitrogen on the indol, are, to the 5-ht receptor, the same thing. This is where it takes hold and does its thing.

It does seem like this chemical is much more solid in structure then LSD, would this mean it would last much longer then LSD, or have a permanent effect?

[StonerBill]

here is the overlays on LSD and you can see it is quite different.

phenethylamine has no nitrogen in its ring. the ring is a very important part, all these drugs have it, I would say it is rather crucial to the docking-stage.
as for the DMT, in your tLSD, you have highlighted methyltryptamine.

now, heres an interesting chemical to consider (in black on the side) IF the 'overlaying' molecules concept holds.

ps. i was checkin that list of drugs and noticed ibogaine doesnt fit on the soccerball

[StonerBill]

so in that case above, the crucial similarity is the similar benz ring. the indole 'N' is indeed the same as the phenethylamine amine 'N', except that it has been looped around on itself.

the 5ht receptor is not a rigid structure, it is a protein structure and likely wraps around these molecules somehow. i think the primary place of wrapping is likely to be the 'primary' benz ring. The extra stuff on the chemical seems like it would cause structural changes to the receptor protein, locking it in a certain shape, or hindering some metabolic process, effectively causing the 'agonist/high affiliation' relationship between psychedelics and 5ht receptors. but still, you should probably notice that the main similarity between all of the drugs is in its fundamental shape stemming from that bottom benzene.

now check out the chemical that is meant to go into the 5ht receptors.. 5ht (serotonin). it is basicaly a tryptamine with OH group on the main benzene ring. Lets also look at dopamine, which is a phenethlyamine with OH groups on the benzene ring.

this might suggest that phenethylamines affect dopamine receptors while tryptamines affect serotonin receptors.
but we know phenethylamines affect serotonin receptors too

does dopamine affect serotonin receptors?

ok here is something funny:

n,n-dimethylTRYPTAMINE is the most intense psychedelic known to man, while n,n-dimethyl PHENETHYLAMINE is a 'flavouring agent'

weird stuff

not intuitive

[azygous420]

Now you are on the right track! I was looking at dopamine today too! Here is the key similarity I think lies in the numbers. If you think of DMT the tail is random and flops around freely, right? so the only consistency about that is the number of carbons between each nitrogen, not exactly the shape. LSD, T-LSD, DMT all keep to the same number of carbons on the shortest path between each nitrogen.

Also the N on the indole can be seen as a phenethylamine sort of warped around to be a pentagon on that same benzene ring you were talking about. I'm glad you pointed that out about the benzene ring but I think when you look at the numbers between the nitrogens you can derive action of the chemical much like the direction of the DMT tail is not tangible but the length is. So the numbers are the same in LSD and T-LSD hinting, at least from what I can see, to the same 5-HT action from nitrogen to nitrogen to nitrogen, just on lengths not direction.

So I'm saying direction is not a factor its the numbers. And never the less its a tryptamine so it should cross the blood brain barrier. Also seeing as how so many tryptamine derivatives are psychedelics it would seem highly likely that this chemical is no exception to the tendency.

The chemical you proposed exists, http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.168785.html

Not much info on it at all...

[StonerBill]

ahah i put my money on that chemical being one of the most potent psychedelics in the world!! let us have a T-LSD / 'phenethyl/tryptamine' war!!!

[Severely stoned]

I'm down.

[azygous420]

Either way we all win, and learn more and more about human consciousness in the process. Your chemical is very promising too, very simple and straight forward. Do you think the chemical would be like a longer DMT trip?

[snocbor]

Do you think the chemical would be like a longer DMT trip?

Now that would be interesting..

[StonerBill]

i think it would be somewhere there between DMT and 4-OH-DMT (psilocin)

psilocin last longer and is much more potent (per molecule) than DMT. Ive not taken enough psilocin/ybin at once to come close to the amount of DMT in a few hits from a pipe. But it seems that DMT gets in there.. much more intensely.. then drops off quickly.

seems like the OH group added to the DMT gets it .. more tangled up in the 5ht receptor. the serotonin receptor is expecting an OH group.. but gets it int he wrong place, shifting thigns around, getting all stuck up. So the drug stays for longer.
But similarly, the drug might have a harder time getting into the receptor in the firstplace.

unlike DMT which sort of.. pops in.. then slips out

so having a CH2 where the OH should make it less 'slippery' than DMT.. but less 'Sticky' than psilocin

just a vague theory, once again, biochemistry doesnt always follow our intuitions.

[blitz7341]

wow this is all brilliant stuff guys keep it up. this type of thing is the reason im majoring in chemistry.

[azygous420]

So since these chemicals aren't illegal, do you think we could just pay a company to make it for us or something? Also I think its important to make predictions when doing experiments. True chemicals may be drastically different from what we can guess from the chemical structure, but most of the tryptamines in existence are psychedelic so it is safe to make at least the simplest of predictions like, it is active, or where it is active. Of course the experiences reached by each user is different too. Anyway brilliant proposal for a chemical stoner bill.

[snocbor]

It's awesome that you are 19 and well on 'the way'. I hope you are doing something big with your life, or at least aim to, these are divine steps..

Same goes for you Bill.

Good luck, keep posting :)

[ancient powers]

I get it now. You need to get the LSA first. Gettin enough LSA to make LSD is the only thing that would hold you back whether you did it geodistically or chemically.

[azygous420]

Actually I'm 18 but thanks, I am going to college next yeah if I can get the funds and I hope I can get a grant to research brain chemistry. Especially concerning the tryptamine chemicals. Also to pursue synthesising these new chemicals that have come to light. From the looks of it they both would have little to no toxicological properties. But I will continue to research that as time goes on. I don't think I will come by them any time soon unless companies can make them out of ignorance and well they aren't illegal drugs, these are unknown chemical compounds. This is necessary chemical research that should be pursued to understand the human mind and hopefully I will be funded to do so if things work out.

[StonerBill]

Gotta get good marks first ;)

and also find a way of disguising this research as something credible (I dont think anyone will credit a young student to research random psychedelic drugs)

[azygous420]

Well the way to go about that is to never introduce the notion of psychedelics in the first place. When searching for funding I am looking for people to fund me to synthesize all the chemical variations of the T-Base tryptamine chemical. This is non existent and if proven active on just one variation. It would be more then likely it has a few other notable variations too. Like in Tihkal and Pihkal.

I just want to make tools to understand the human body and mind, if they are psychedelic that is not my fault that is the human body's fault and we will learn from this.

Its not like we are junkies looking to invent a new heroin to get more messed up. We are scientists analyzing the chemicals for there properties and from that making predictions and following up with experiments to see if our theories are correct. I mean wasn't A. Shulgin sponsored by the federal government to do his research?

[Rnegade]

I have 4 years experience of organic chemistry under my belt!
but i don't understand any of this :confused:


I want my money back :)

[azygous420]

These are all the chemicals I have drawn out from the triacontahedron base tryptamine. These are all potentially active on the 5-HT receptor and have little to no toxicity. I hope I get the chance to synthesize a few of these...

http://laurenstephens.net/uploads/ec5e2ae6c8.pdf

I think its 148 new, theorized psychoactive tryptamines. I also stumbled upon a good precursor for the OxyNitro Triacontahedron. It happens to be in the bufotoxin those psychoactive-toads make. The chemical is called Bufothenine.


http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5315536&loc=ec_rcs

Another in the same neuro-toxic venom is dehydrobufotenine.

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5316436&loc=ec_rcs (http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5316436&loc=ec_rcs)

[ODB]

^^^have you ever read about Somagenics by ananda bosman?
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/Somagenics.html

[Pwn Biscut]

Beautiful work, my friend.