Caught in her grasp...

[Foppful]

It’s 11:00 and everything is in place. The incense is burning, the black light is on, everyother light in the room is off, and a small cup of water is to my side. I sit in my comfortable blue foof chair with a glass bowl packed with one hit of Salvia 10x extract. I take a deep breath…



I take a hit, and watch the glowing embers in the bowl burn, and finally fade away. With this I had finished the bowl so I set it on the floor while still holding in the smoke…



Within a few seconds I start to feel my head become a bit heavier. Gravity seems to change a bit, but nothing really out of the ordinary. After about 10-15 seconds, I let the smoke out. I sit back and relax…



……………..“Nope not yet”... “It’s not done yet”... “Look, it all falls into place...”



I am observing something, some sort of process that is unfolding. I hear a female voice saying things; she's explaining it to me. This process is confusing, it’s indescribable. I feel her presence more now, she’s controlling me. Where is this place...?



I’m in my room! I took salvia! Oh god I have to get up!



I try to bring myself out of the foof chair to stand, but I can’t physically do it. Some kind of force is holding me down. Something is keeping me from getting up—she is. I’m completely helpless and I’m in a panic. I don’t even care anymore; all I want is for this to be over. I look at my stereo and I feel her there. She is saying something and now she sounds frustrated. She says that I’m not ready for this, but that I must stay with her and pay the consequences. I try my best to apologize, everything is so confusing now. I think to myself, “this can’t be from salvia, from one hit, this is something else, what is going on?” The reflection of the black light on my stereo catches my eye... it’s her. It’s the form she has chosen to take...



For a split second I view this situation from a different outside perspective: I am tripping on salvia and some unknown female entity is scolding me and kicking my ass. I laugh a little at that, and also because I am relieved that I caught some sense in this whole situation. Shortly after I go into a daze again, and my head is still spinning. With a lot of effort, I can now pull myself onto my bed, but I’m still in this strange state of consciousness. I can still feel her grip on me—she’s making sure that I don’t forget what I learned. It’s 11:07, and I just want this to be done already. I plead with her out loud, “please stop”, but I don’t get a response. I start to think about how naïve I am to want to try mushrooms, something that lasts six hours. Thank god that this only lasted about 7 minutes. Another 5 minutes go by and things are getting better. I slowly feel her drift away as I return to a normal state of consciousness. My skin feels tingly (as it felt throughout the entire experience), and I have to go to the bathroom. It’s over now basically, and I let out a “holy shit”.



In retrospect, this was extremely intense, though it was somewhat educational. I’m positive I could’ve gotten more out of it if I was ready and didn’t panic. Just to clear up a point, I didn’t even notice myself entering this “salvia space”, I was thrown in unexpectedly. One second I was blowing out smoke, and the next I had forgotten I was in my room. Not only that, but I forgot I had just smoked salvia, and I forgot that I was even a person. My ego was completely ripped away from me instantaneously. At one point I was looking around with my eyes wide open, seeing everything in my room as it would normally, physically appear, but in my mind I registered my room as some completely unknown place (“place” doesn’t properly describe it, no words could describe it really). It was like I was in another dimension. Throughout the entire experience I felt some female spirit with me, controlling my mind. Even when I finally remembered I smoked salvia, it didn’t make sense to me what was going on. Salvia kicked my ass. Hard. I started to panic only because I was stuck to my chair, and in general I had no control over my mind. Be careful with this, because as I found out, if you aren’t ready for her, you’ll feel her wrath. (Sounds corny? Take a hit and see how you do.)

[Hikaru Zero]

Foppful has described Lady Salvia quite accurately, despite the fact that he (Hikaru presumes that Foppful is a he, as he does not know; please do not take offense) has noted that the experience is far from describable in any human language.

Foppful, be grateful that you have seen Lady Sally. She is an entity that has much to teach to you. And she is correct, you are not ready. But one day, you will be.

What is "ready," you may ask?

You must be ready to accept death.
No.
You must be ready to accept the complete destruction of the entire universe, as a consequence of your smoking salvia.

Of course this will not actually happen,
But after taking a hit on salvia,
This prospect may very well become real to you,
And you must be ready to accept it.

Salvia is not something you can take whenever you feel like it,
Simply to get a new experience.
It must be medidated on,
And perhaps even intentionally experienced to open your mind
Enough to accept death,
And perhaps even rebirth anew.

You experienced what you did because Lady Sally saw no respect in your treatment of her plant. Any terror you experienced was a result of your lack of respect. Lady Sally knows that you are not ready now, but perhaps after some meditation, you will find the proper respect, and Lady Sally will open her arms to you, and you will expand your horizon phenomenally. =)

[PatternOfChaos]

So strange that a motherly presence is felt with salvia. The last time I tripped out that hard, I was out on my friend's balcony and when I stood up, I felt like I was almost going to fall over and the motherly presence reassured me that I wasn't going to fall over and helped me get back onto the couch. It was, however, unnerving that while I was inhaling a psychoactive substance I felt like my mother was there.

[Therefore...]

The first time I did salvia I felt that I was on a beach and the best way I can explain is that I had the "feeling" of Gilligan's Island. That's the best I can put it into words anyway. Unfortunatly it didn't really teach me anything.

[DSPSYSSTS]

Foppful has described Lady Salvia quite accurately, despite the fact that he (Hikaru presumes that Foppful is a he, as he does not know; please do not take offense) has noted that the experience is far from describable in any human language.

Foppful, be grateful that you have seen Lady Sally. She is an entity that has much to teach to you. And she is correct, you are not ready. But one day, you will be.

What is "ready," you may ask?

You must be ready to accept death.
No.
You must be ready to accept the complete destruction of the entire universe, as a consequence of your smoking salvia.

Of course this will not actually happen,
But after taking a hit on salvia,
This prospect may very well become real to you,
And you must be ready to accept it.

Salvia is not something you can take whenever you feel like it,
Simply to get a new experience.
It must be medidated on,
And perhaps even intentionally experienced to open your mind
Enough to accept death,
And perhaps even rebirth anew.

You experienced what you did because Lady Sally saw no respect in your treatment of her plant. Any terror you experienced was a result of your lack of respect. Lady Sally knows that you are not ready now, but perhaps after some meditation, you will find the proper respect, and Lady Sally will open her arms to you, and you will expand your horizon phenomenally. =)
Hikaroo is a condescending fuckwit.

[Hikaru Zero]

Hikaroo is a condescending fuckwit.

Interesting, DSPSYSSTS, in that "Hikaroo" does not claim to have seen Lady Salvia, yet you call him condescending. He only knows what he has read about salvia, and little more. Hikaru does not claim that HE is ready, he only points out what Lady Sally already has to Foppful, and interprets why what has happened actually happened.

Hikaru supposes that you must butt into other people's conversations to make yourself look so much better than other people. In that case, Hikaru argues that you are a condescending "fuckwit," as you put it quaintly.

Good day.

[Foppful]

Interesting, DSPSYSSTS, in that "Hikaroo" does not claim to have seen Lady Salvia, yet you call him condescending. He only knows what he has read about salvia, and little more. Hikaru does not claim that HE is ready, he only points out what Lady Sally already has to Foppful, and interprets why what has happened actually happened.

Hikaru supposes that you must butt into other people's conversations to make yourself look so much better than other people. In that case, Hikaru argues that you are a condescending "fuckwit," as you put it quaintly.

Good day.You only know what you have read about salvia? Does this mean you haven't experienced it yet?

And if you haven't seen lady salvia, how could you tell me that I described her very accurately? In your previous post, you make yourself out to be one who is wise about salvia. Though I see you mean well, one can only be wise about salvia if they have experienced it and have come to personally know its FULL powers. You cannot understand "lady sally", as you put it, unless you have personally come in contact with her.

Additionally, "the complete destruction of the universe" shouldn't have any relation to one smoking salvia. This isn't what you should be "ready" for.

If you are trying salvia, all you should be ready for is the complete takeover of your mind. You should be ready to let whatever comes to you come freely, and you should not fight it.

[Hikaru Zero]

You only know what you have read about salvia? Does this mean you haven't experienced it yet?

And if you haven't seen lady salvia, how could you tell me that I described her very accurately? In your previous post, you make yourself out to be one who is wise about salvia. Though I see you mean well, one can only be wise about salvia if they have experienced it and have come to personally know its FULL powers. You cannot understand "lady sally", as you put it, unless you have personally come in contact with her.

Additionally, "the complete destruction of the universe" shouldn't have any relation to one smoking salvia. This isn't what you should be "ready" for.

If you are trying salvia, all you should be ready for is the complete takeover of your mind. You should be ready to let whatever comes to you come freely, and you should not fight it.

Hikaru hasn't seen Lady Salvia; that is, he hasn't spoken to her or caught a glimpse of her.

He HAS been chastized by her in a way very similar to you, Foppful.

When Hikaru tried it, he was not ready; he hopes that he is ready now (after a month of constant study and reading) and is merely awaiting the opportunity to explore salvia once more.

Hikaru tried it on a whim, in a steamy, hot, dusty attic with insufficient lighting, insufficient space, and a generally bad temperament. During the experience, he got the spiritual feeling that his spirit was being sucked into a metaphorical puddle of quicksand, and that the harder he fought it off, the closer he got to death; he was convinced that he nearly died, and that the fabric of space-time was also being sucked into this quicksand portal.

He could "feel" a presence coming from the quicksand; that is, he could feel the fact that some female entity was trying to shout to him through the portal, but the words could not reach his ears; he could only feel that someone was trying. He believes this to be Lady Sally, and thus compares the feelings he felt with your feelings, coming to this conclusion: What you described was accurate to what he experienced, and what he experienced is on-par with what many other people concur is Lady Sally.

Either way, Hikaru's second time was on a lower scale; it only changed his perception of the things around him, and though it was not a waste, it shouldn't even really be mentioned, as it was not a "trip," per se.

Thus, Hikaru has experienced salvia a few times, but hasn't seen Lady Salvia. He understands respect for the plant now, and stresses the importance of such when experiencing salvia, so that it does not get further out of hand and become illegal.

Hikaru suggests that you must be wiling to accept the complete destruction of the universe; what he means is, you must completely free your mind and open it to all possibilities before using salvia. He uses "the complete destruction of the universe" as an example to express (1) the feelings he felt as accurately as possible, and (2) the feelings that other people have described in trip reports. People have actually claimed that the universe was destroyed, and that it took aeons to piece it back together.

From what he has read and experienced, acceptance of possibilities such as these is the only way to get anything positive from salvia.

[Foppful]

Very well. Thank you for sharing the story of your first experience, that clears up things a bit.

I hope your next experience with salvia is more enjoyable then. Good luck.

[Hikaru Zero]

Aye, thank you. =) Hikaru wishes the same to you as well.

May Lady Sally hold both of us in her arms. =D

[InTheFlesh]

:eek: (markfbrower@charter.net)

That sounds kind of scary.