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Hari
09-21-2004, 08:02 PM
From http://www.indiadivine.org/vedas1.htm

What are the Vedas?



Veda means knowledge. The original knowledge is the teachings of the Vedas. In the conditioned state our knowledge is subjected to many deficiencies. There are four defects that a conditioned soul has: committing mistakes, subject to illusion, cheating propensity and imperfect senses. These deficiencies make us unfit for having perfect knowledge. Therefore we accept the Vedas as they are.

Vedas are apaurusheya, which means they are not compilations of human knowledge. Vedic knowledge comes from the spiritual world, from Lord Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In the beginning the first living creature was Brahma. He received the Vedic knowledge from Krishna.

Vedas are compared to desire tree because they contain all things knowable by man. They deal with mundane necessities as well as spiritual realization. Above and beyond all departments of knowledge there are specific directions for spiritual realization. Regulated knowledge involves a gradual raising of the living entity to the spiritual platform, through varna (brahmana - intellectual, kshatriya - ruler, vaishya - merchant, shudra - worker) and asrama (brahmacharya - student, grihastha - family, vanaprastha - retired, sannyasa - mendicant). The highest spiritual realization is knowledge that the Personality of Godhead is the reservoir of all pleasures, spiritual tastes.

Formerly there was only the Veda of the name Yajur. The sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people's occupations according to their orders of life (namely brahmacharya, grihastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa) could be purified. To simplify the process and make them more easily performable, Vyasadeva (the empowered incarnation of Krishna) divided the one Veda into four, Rg (prayers), Yajur (hymns for oblations), Sama (same prayers and hymns in meters for singing), Atharva (body/world maintenance and destruction) in order to expand them among men.

Thus the original source of knowledge is the Vedas. There are no branches of knowledge either mundane or transcendental, which do not belong to the original texts of the Vedas. They have simply been developed into different branches. They were originally rendered by great seers. In other words, the Vedic knowledge broken into different branches by different disciplic successions (known as shakhas) has been distributed all over the world. No one, therefore, can claim independent knowledge beyond the Vedas.

The texts of the Vedas are known as Samhitas. Within these Samhitas there are portions known as Mantras, which contain prayers in the form of potent sound compounds revealed to great seers for different purposes. In the Vedic civilization three orders of life lived in the forests. Only grihasthas inhabited the cities. The regulated knowledge for living in the city, is revealed in the books known as Brahmanas, whereas the regulated knowledge for living in the forest is revealed in the books known as Aranyakas.

BlackBillBlake
09-21-2004, 09:12 PM
This is only one view of the nature of the Veda, the view of traditional Vaishnavism.

If you would like to know a different view, and one that is closer to the real truth, I would reccommend Sri Aurobindo's 'Secret of the Veda'.
Sri Aurobindo shows clearly how traditional interpretations are flawed and limited, and very inconsistent. He further suggests that the original Vedas contain spiritual knowledge which has lain hidden for thousands of years, but is now re-emerging.

Hari
09-21-2004, 10:28 PM
The supreme yoga sometimes called Vasistha's yoga is more from the perspective of Shiva who is the deity that Vasistha worshipped until Shiva himself taught him Deva puja, which later became the supreme yoga, when he instructed it to Rama and Valminki wrote it.

The Ramayana was for the ordinary masses and appealed more to Vaishnavas, but the science that Rama received himself from Vasistha was more for those who are almost sidhas.

If anyone is interested and serious about enlightment, they would do well to read that book over and over. It isthe jewel of wisdon comparable only to the Shrimad Bhagavatam.

BlackBillBlake
09-22-2004, 02:14 AM
Whatever the case... I'd like to offer these gems from the Rig Veda.

Vanished the darkness, shaken in its foundation; Heaven shone out ; upward rose the light of the Divine Dawn; the sun entered the vast fields of the Truth beholding the straight things and the crooked in mortals. Thereafter indeed they awoke and saw utterly by the sun's separation of the straight from the crooked, the truth from the falsehood; then indeed they held in them the bliss that is enjoyed in heaven
Rig Veda IV.I. I7

May he the knower discern perfectly the Knowledge and the Ignorance, the wide levels and the crooked that shut in mortals; and, oh God, for a bliss fruitful in offspring , lavish on us Diti, and protect Aditi.
Rig Veda IV.2.1

Now as the seven seers of Dawn, the Mother, the supreme disposers of the sacrifice, may we beget for ourselves the Gods; may we become the Angirasas, sons of Heaven, breaking open the wealth-filled hill, shining in purity.
Rig Veda IV.2.15

We have done the work for thee, we have become perfect in works, the wide-shining Dawns have taken up their home in the Truth, in the fullness of Agni and His manifold delight, in the shining eye of the God in all His brightness.
Rig Veda 1V.2.19

Hari
09-22-2004, 03:54 AM
Thanks for sharing that. I highly recommend the Supreme Yoga; it is the most satisfying book to read. its not on line , but now it can be found in some bookstores.

Bhaskar
09-28-2004, 06:58 PM
I have studied the yoga vasishta, a beautiful beautiful work, full of the most magnificent poetic imagery, used to express the subtlest of truths.

Hari
09-28-2004, 08:43 PM
I have studied the yoga vasishta, a beautiful beautiful work, full of the most magnificent poetic imagery, used to express the subtlest of truths.
First I was surprised that someone else had actually read it, then I see you're from India.
It's not exactly popular here. But you are right, for me it is unnequaled in the clarity of its wisdom.