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I tripped on Wednesday and Thursday and once again learned something about myself. No matter how much I learn there always seems to be more to learn. When I was younger I used to trip every weekend or every other weekend but all the trips were about the same lesson. At this point in my life I like to space out my trips so I have a good amount of time to become the new me. When I trip again in a few months from now I hope to have come a long way since my last trip so that I am ready for the next phase in my life. I don't like to trip having to learn the same lesson again and again because for some reason my subconscious likes to be hard on me when I fail to get the message. I think I should make it clear that using LSD is not just about learning lessons for me, it's so much more than that. LSD is exciting, fun, always fresh and new, challenging, relaxing, refreshing, a blast, like climbing into a new age space ship capable of exploring the entire universe, a balancing act, a way to better channel and harness energy, a way to balance your chakras, a great way to test yourself, wake yourself up and of course a way to become enlightened while we learn our lessons.
On this trip I learned something very important about myself. I have an incredible message that I must in some way communicate to everyone I interact with but a lot of times this message is not well accepted. A lot of people would rather deny the truth then listen to someone who thinks they know better. It is actually popular belief that it is rude or inappropriate for someone to judge or criticize another human being. I'm actually disappointed when someone does not take the time to help enlighten me. People will think things about me but will not say it to my face because they convince themselves that it is inappropriate but in actuality they are too much of a coward to be honest. Of course the same people who can't handle hearing the truth are unable to speak it. We must be honest with one another, listen to one another and be there for one another in every way that we can. I have known all of this for a long time but it was not until this trip that I realized that my methods may be part of the problem. When I take the time to try and enlighten someone because I care about them and they don't care about me enough to take what I have to say into consideration I tend to get frustrated. Of course it is easy to become frustrated when people don't respect you enough to consider what you have to say but at the same time when you become frustrated, what you are saying becomes that much harder to listen to and understand. When I get frustrated with someone for not listening to me I only give them another reason not to listen to me and at that point I become an enabler. Using the fact that I care about them as another reason not to care about me and what I have to say is downright selfish and evil but that is exactly why they need my help. I have to do my best to adapt as the people I'm trying to help inadvertently help me understand myself. I will not give up on anyone because if they honestly do not want my help they will give up on me. If people don't think I'm a good friend they will toss me aside and find another friend. Some people like to make my life incredibly difficult when they speak as though they don't want to hear what I have to say but can't seem to stop being around me and that's when I have to point that out for them and hope they snap out of it. It won't hurt you to consider what I have to say and if you don't want to consider what I have to say there's not much point in being around me. I'm not perfect and I'm not always right so I will always consider what someone has to say about me or about what I have to say. Sometimes what people have to offer is bad advice but I must first consider what they have to say to know for sure.
These people don't shut me out because they hate me, they shut me out because they are insecure and afraid. There is no reason to get upset or frustrated with someone because they are insecure and afraid, in fact all this will do is make matters worse. I must be kind as I express myself intelligently and I must not take it personal when someone lashes out because they can't handle the truth. How do you wake someone up who doesn't want to be woken up? Some would suggest that it would be best just to leave them alone but I will never consider this an option. There is no way in hell that any human being would want to live out their life half asleep. They say that ignorance is bliss but no one wants to be a drone or a brainwashed fool.
Obviously my trip had a lot to do with refining who I am socially but there is so much more. In total I took eight hits, starting off with two, taking three more four hours later and another three four hours after that. Wonderful hallucinations and visions from past lives. I'm also struggling with tendinitis and this trip was very good in that it helped me understand my body, what it's going through and how to help the healing process. The tendinitis is a physical manifestation of something from within myself and this trip helped me heal the root of the issue. It also has a lot to do with circulation and I have a problem with cold hands and feet so from now on I'm going to have long hot showers and baths.
As much as I know that LSD has helped me become a better person there are many people who would argue that my philosophy or perspective is completely fucking insane. For some people it is easier to think that a friend or loved one is crazy than it is to consider that it might be a good idea to listen to this friend or loved one. In reality they are just afraid. There must be a wonderful and magical way that someone can go about enlightening these people and one day I will master this as an art. Let's learn to be honest and kind, let's learn to love each other and be divine. Judge me, as you may help me see more clearly and don't be afraid if you're wrong for I may help you see more clearly. When I say Judge I do not mean for you to make up your mind with absolute judgment; I mean for you to feel free to make an observation so that I might change this about myself. When you call someone a thief, in a way that implies that you cannot trust them as they will always be a thief, you are not helping them because you're not willing to accept that they are a person who can learn from their mistakes. When I make an observation about someone I do it because I want them to be aware of their faults so they can change and grow.
I wish that LSD was better excepted and I ask for the insight and guidance necessary to enlighten a world that would rather care less. LSD is obviously not for everyone but not enough people are using it and most of the people who are using it are not using it in a way that is beneficial, which is only giving strength to the belief that LSD is bad for you!
StonerBill
09-22-2008, 10:17 AM
i agree, 3xi, hopefully the world will learn (as a whole) more about how to talk to itself. It matters not just what you say but how much honesty you use, how much trust you give, and how much respect you share. When you critizise someone, it bring you together in so far as you are critisising the other person as if they were one of your own, and it pushes people apart as far as it seems like an attack. frustration is an inditcation that a being is seperating themselves from the target of their frustration.
StayLoose1011
09-23-2008, 01:42 AM
3xi - I've always liked your posts a lot more than most people on these boards. I think you are honest and your intentions are very good. What you wrote here suggests that you are beginning to understand something that I and others on the forums have tried to communicate to you at times - that when people reject what you have to say, it is often not because what you say is wrong or bad but the manner in which you approach it. You have a tendency to feel like you know more than everyone else (as this post itself suggests), and I don't doubt that you have a great wealth of knowledge and wisdom, as this post and many of your others prove, but most people don't take kindly to being treated as students or children - rightly or wrongly. As you point out, you enjoy being a student and, at least in theory, are open-minded to constructive criticism from others. However, a lot of people aren't so open-minded.
Anyway, I've always liked your posts, and I think you have wonderful intentions with your life and sharing knowledge, wisdom, and love, all of which you've highlighted here, and I think your realizations about how the method with which you undertake this is just as important as the knowledge itself will serve you very well.
In most cases it doesn't matter how I say it, people just can't handle the truth. You cannot be an honest person and make everyone happy, that would be impossible. My point is that when people get upset and either start to justify their actions or somehow try to suggest that I am in the wrong for pointing out their faults, that I should not get frustrated as this only gives these people more reason to believe that they are in the right. People who live their lives trying not to upset anybody are basically liars and cowards. A loving person has no choice but to enlighten those around them. People who understand the truth must convey that message whether or not this message is accepted by everyone. The trick is not to let it get to you when people become defensive or when they try to suggest that something's wrong with you for pointing out their faults or suggesting that they could be better people.
It's funny how I thought that this thread would be interesting enough to prompt a better response than this.
Personally, I feel that anyone who lives life without the desire to become a better person is in for one hell of a ride and if that same person takes some acid, holy mother fucking shit are they in for a surprise. The best part about this is that when nothing seems to be going right in their life they will have absolutely no idea why and they will probably blame everything but themselves.
Kizen
09-26-2008, 06:26 PM
"people just can't handle the truth"
what is truth? your truth? their truth?
universal huh?
nice post
burnabowl
09-26-2008, 10:08 PM
It's funny how I thought that this thread would be interesting enough to prompt a better response than this.
it might be complimentary. no offense to anyone, but ppl tend to respond when they either want to challenge something or to elaborate on what's been said. often enough is said by the OP that no one needs to comment. plus it is a rhetorical thread, a form of art. sometimes when I see a thread like that I feel like to post on it would be like signing someone else's painting. but that's my reason...:cheers2:
Mr.Writer
09-27-2008, 04:04 AM
I have an incredible message that I must in some way communicate to everyone I interact with but a lot of times this message is not well accepted.
Is your message what you said later in your post about the importance of becoming a better person and the importance of LSD (in case I missed something)?
RELAYER
09-27-2008, 08:27 AM
People who live their lives trying not to upset anybody are basically liars and cowards. A loving person has no choice but to enlighten those around them.
The potential for having respect that I almost felt compelled to consider honoring towards you just reversed itself with this statement. Are you seriously 32 years old and have not yet figured out that your opinion is not fact? What kind of a sweeping judgement is this anyway? Did you ever consider that maybe people who live life trying to avoid causing others to be upset may have figured out something that you havent?
No, I guess not. Better luck next trip, maybe you will learn something new with another go around. Your preaching enlightenment and coming together, yet the more you go on, the more you isolate your position.
PlacidPete
09-27-2008, 02:26 PM
ouch
hippiehillbilly
09-27-2008, 02:39 PM
The potential for having respect that I almost felt compelled to consider honoring towards you just reversed itself with this statement. Are you seriously 32 years old and have not yet figured out that your opinion is not fact? What kind of a sweeping judgement is this anyway? Did you ever consider that maybe people who live life trying to avoid causing others to be upset may have figured out something that you havent?
No, I guess not. Better luck next trip, maybe you will learn something new with another go around. Your preaching enlightenment and coming together, yet the more you go on, the more you isolate your position.
i read his two posts and the first thing that came to my mind was,
"so much for ego loss"..:rolleyes:
thats about the only comment i have...
RELAYER
09-27-2008, 02:43 PM
i read his two posts and the first thing that came to my mind was,
"so much for ego loss"..:rolleyes:
thats about the only comment i have...
Im still waiting for the incredible message he has to share with us. So far all I've heard is how we all suck because we dont agree with him, and that when we do disagree its because we are afraid of the truth, and that he is here to teach us so we better pay attention or else we are not desiring to become better people. That's not all that incredible, really. Kind of dumb if you ask me.
StayLoose1011
09-27-2008, 04:34 PM
It's true, especially in his follow up post, the ego is huge... I thought that he was honestly seeking to humble himself in a way but really upon further reflection, a lot of this is just about protecting his self-image and giving himself a way of thinking he is always right no matter how people react.
StonerBill
09-27-2008, 04:44 PM
mhm definately - i have seen how powerful it makes someone to be honest. but that person must also be willing to accept that their oppinion is wrong. when you tell someone that they are the wrong way, you need to simultaneously accept them saying the same thing to you.
This is where 3xi falls short. although it is a good thing to be honest, it is not a good thing to engross one's self in spreading an oppinion which is only self-empowering. At no point does 3xi put down himself, or accept other peoples oppinions of him. rather, he is very intellectual but not very understanding. This is like being able to prove things outwardly, whilst being unable to disprove things inwardly. The reason a lot of people hold back their oppinions is because they understand that their oppinion is not much different to all the oppinions they themselves discount completely.
But 3xi is not wrong perse. he is right that people should not inhibit themselves from expressing something for the sake of how someone feels within themselves (making someone feel guilt/shame/etc).
But he extends this to simply valuing 'expressing your oppinion about other people'. Most of us have realised that our oppinions of people are not always what we end up assenting to, but 3xi is sure that he has an amazing computer brain which computes consistently and reliably, and so this realisation is perhaps beyond him. We must always be open to critisism. But we should also be honest and confident with our ideas.
It seems the conclusion I find myself making is that 3xi is still doing the wrong thing but it is right that someone is doing it.
The potential for having respect that I almost felt compelled to consider honoring towards you just reversed itself with this statement. Are you seriously 32 years old and have not yet figured out that your opinion is not fact? What kind of a sweeping judgement is this anyway? Did you ever consider that maybe people who live life trying to avoid causing others to be upset may have figured out something that you havent?
No, I guess not. Better luck next trip, maybe you will learn something new with another go around. Your preaching enlightenment and coming together, yet the more you go on, the more you isolate your position.
Well you are obviously a two-faced coward but that much has been clear for a long time. Let's not forget that your are also a hypocrite as you don't seem to have a problem upsetting people, in fact you seem to pick people that you don't like and try to insult and upset them just because you don't like them. In most cases just like this one, you have no reason to insult or suggest that I am anything but a good honest person. Where in this thread am my saying something that is not acceptable?
You go on to suggest that being honest is probably not a good idea because you will end up upsetting people yet you come on this thread and speak your honest perspective knowing full well that you are going to insult me! So do you agree with me or do you not agree with me because if you think that people should go around making sure that they do not upset anyone you probably shouldn't have posted in this thread at all and kept your mouth shut but you didn't so I guess that means that you agree with me and we should be honest and speak our mind.
As for the word opinion, a word people can't seem to spell right, if you were to look it up in the dictionary you would see that it means something to the effect of - a person's perspective or point of view on a subject that has not been proven one way or the other. Now as I am a spiritual person I do not need scientific evidence in order to know that something is true, therefore I do not see any reason to use the word opinion anywhere in my vocabulary. I do not need science to prove that there is a God in order to know for sure that there is a God so when I say that there is a God I will be offended when somebody says that is my opinion. You can say it is my belief but you should not say it is my theory or my opinion because as far as I'm concerned we need no proof. If you can refer to my belief that God exists as a belief and not an opinion at least you show me the respect that someone can believe something to be absolutely true without proof or scientific evidence. Gravity worked just fine before any scientist was able to prove why gravity works and although someone may have had a so-called opinion of how gravity works they were either right or wrong. When I see someone acting in a way that is hurting themselves I will speak up and tell them how I truly feel about them hurting themselves and if they are ignorant enough to protect themselves from growing into a better person by suggesting that what I have to say is only an opinion, well then so be it.
According to relayer if you witness someone beating their wife you should just sit back and not say anything because you wouldn't want to upset anybody, right? That would be a true and enlightened way of existing, is that what you're saying? Believe it or not when someone witnesses something and they do not say anything about it their silence is condoning whatever is taking place because if the person did not agree with what they were seeing they would speak up.
Relayer, I strongly suggest you put a lot of thought into this subject. I think it's pretty obvious that you are just disagreeing because you don't like me and you actually do agree with me. The fact that you argue your point at all suggests that you are a little lost. If you think that keeping your mouth shut when you witness one of your friends doing something that is hurting either themselves or someone else is actually how to be a good friend you are seriously mistaken. For your own good and all those who you interact with learn how to be a good friend and do what you seem to do anyways and speak your honest perspective knowing full well it is the right thing to do.
You have done this many times! Just by taking the time to post in this thread suggesting that I shouldn't speak my honest perspective you have inadvertently proven to all of us that you do agree with me that we should speak our honest perspective. In other words just by voicing your perspective in this thread you have proven that your perspective is not one that even you agree with.
sw0o0sh
09-27-2008, 08:33 PM
Well you are obviously a two-faced coward but that much has been clear for a long time.
Well i can see the acid has certainly made you both forgiving and clairvoyant.
At this point in my life I like to space out my trips so I have a good amount of time to become the new me. When I trip again in a few months from now I hope to have come a long way since my last trip so that I am ready for the next phase in my life. I don't like to trip having to learn the same lesson again and again because for some reason my subconscious likes to be hard on me when I fail to get the message.
There must be a wonderful and magical way that someone can go about enlightening these people and one day I will master this as an art. Let's learn to be honest and kind, let's learn to love each other and be divine. Judge me, as you may help me see more clearly and don't be afraid if you're wrong for I may help you see more clearly. When I say Judge I do not mean for you to make up your mind with absolute judgment; I mean for you to feel free to make an observation so that I might change this about myself.
I thought it might be a good idea to highlight the sections of my post where I made it very clear that I do not see myself as all knowing or perfect.
Funny how a few of you understood this when you first read the post but then after someone else comes in and tries to make me out to be someone I'm not you forget about what I said and start to imagine me as someone who claims to be perfect and all knowing although I've never said anything to that effect. So just in case I didn't make it clear enough, we all have room to improve and I, just like everyone else should be open to constructive criticism. I'm not going to agree with something that I feel is completely wrong just to show you that I can make mistakes and change my mind. You're going to have to make a very strong argument that illustrates the truth and how I was wrong to think otherwise before I change my mind. Who cares if you disagree when you can't take the time to illustrate why!
sw0o0sh
09-28-2008, 08:23 AM
Ahhh! It all makes sense now 3xi, thank you dearly for that last post. I am very sorry to have disagreed, foolish of me for writing a detailed explanation as to why I make such claims and expecting you to give it any acknowledgement (that must be your new openness for constructive criticism shining through brightly). You're integrity is overbearing and my wits are now failing.
Peace & Love
StonerBill
09-28-2008, 08:46 AM
Why do you only have oppinions/beliefs that are critical of other people, 3xi? Or is that just the case on this board? The only oppinions you make are positive to yourself and negative to others. Even though you state that you realise you must become less frustrated, that is like saying that you are wrong in so far as you cant get people to listen to you. But you never question your own judgement. Perhaps this links in with the fact that you dont need any justification for your beliefs?
sw0o0sh
09-28-2008, 09:15 AM
It's true, especially in his follow up post, the ego is huge... I thought that he was honestly seeking to humble himself in a way but really upon further reflection, a lot of this is just about protecting his self-image and giving himself a way of thinking he is always right no matter how people react.
Bulls eye
RELAYER
09-28-2008, 02:38 PM
Either I am so truly tired at the moment to even care enough to reply to that pathetic attempt at proving a point 3xi just exhortated to us and tainted our minds with, or I am still recovering from a state of shock after discovering that a full grown man is still trying to come to grips with adulthood and how he should relate to humanity.
Dude, just for your own sake, dont keep any large blocks of cheese in your home, Id hate for you to be beaten to death by your poor wife in an unprovoked burst of administration delivering your karmic incurrence.
neodude1212
09-28-2008, 03:20 PM
Relayer, I strongly suggest you put a lot of thought into this subject. I think it's pretty obvious that you are just disagreeing because you don't like me and you actually do agree with me.
^
this is my favorite thing about 3xi.
Even though we disagree with him, his truth is so infalliable that deep down we really do agree with him. :D
StonerBill
09-28-2008, 03:28 PM
Its not always about agreeing on the truth of a statement, but the value of a point
neodude1212
09-28-2008, 03:36 PM
Its not always about agreeing on the truth of a statement, but the value of a point
well, you will know the tree by the fruit it bears right?
I came a little late to this thread, but I caught the rant about someone being a two-faced coward and a hypocrite....just seems kind of counter productive, especially for someone who just witnessed some grand enlightening revelation...
So I can't say I really read the initial point, but from what I've seen so far, I dont think I'm missing much.
StonerBill
09-28-2008, 03:51 PM
3xi is right though. in the same way that modern science is cold and capitalist - in some contexts, it does not matter whether you speak the truth or not, it matters instead how your words influence the world (or more specifically, other people in the world)
Why do you only have oppinions/beliefs that are critical of other people, 3xi? Or is that just the case on this board? The only oppinions you make are positive to yourself and negative to others. Even though you state that you realise you must become less frustrated, that is like saying that you are wrong in so far as you cant get people to listen to you. But you never question your own judgement. Perhaps this links in with the fact that you dont need any justification for your beliefs?
Why would you think that I'm only critical of others? Even when all you have to base your judgment on is my presence in this forum you have to realize that I'm not only critical of others. Just because most of the time you and I don't agree does not mean that everything I have said is in contrary to everyone else on this board. As a matter of fact there have been posts of yours that I have agreed with or commented on in a positive way (maybe your memory is just not good enough). I don't expect any of you to go back and read through all of my posts to find out that I do have many good things to say about other people's perspectives and beliefs. Even if you just look at this thread alone you will realize that I was not just talking about myself. There are many people in the world who believe that honesty is the best policy for every moment in life. If you think I was talking about you not being able to handle the truth I guess that's your own judgment upon yourself as I didn't use any names. I also did not mention that everything that I have to say is right, all I said is that a lot of times it doesn't matter what I have to say because some people cannot handle the truth. I did not say that everything I have to say is the truth and you should listen to everything I have to say because I am an all knowing God who has power to influence and change everyone's mind for the better. I will never knowingly say something that is untrue but I do make mistakes and it is possible to believe something is true when it is not. For the most part I do have valid points to make but if someone has something to say to the contrary I am all ears and more than willing to change my perspective when I'm proven wrong. Although I did not say anything to suggest I think I am perfect some of you would very much like other people to believe that that is what I mean. I'm guessing that the intelligence level with some people on this board is extremely low or the intelligence is unable to express itself because of some sort of inferiority complex or inability to accept that maybe we could learn from one another. It is kind of disappointing to have people act in such a way, twisting people's words to mean things they didn't say in order to feel better about themselves in the LSD forum because all it's doing is giving LSD a bad name. Don't get me wrong as there are many people who regularly visit this forum who are very intelligent and very accepting of other people and their perspectives and beliefs.
I'm trying to figure out what kind of person would assume that I am only critical of other people and never have anything good to say in agreement. Have you even read my posts? I've been posting here for a year or something and you aren't that blind! I mean seriously, what kind of person would spend every waking moment of their day thinking about how they can criticize others? Maybe the fact that I was incarnated into a time where government and society has everyone so lost that no one can think for themselves anymore has something to do with how a lot of what I have to say is difficult to swallow. Of course I don't think like the majority of North American society but not only am I okay with that I feel very good about that. With the mass hysteria and confusion going on it is a wonder why anyone would like to be the norm. As there are not many people in the world alive today who are even capable of living an honest and loving life it is no surprise that those of us who are capable of living such a life don't seem to fit in. I will not sacrifice my integrity in order to fit in with the likes of some people and this is a good thing although some would have you think otherwise. There are a few who post here that I agree with in many respects and there are others who share only a few of my beliefs but for the most part the ones who are more vocal and persistent are the ones who would rather not be accepting of someone who is different or does not share their point of view. If it is wrong to criticize someone else then why are you guys taking the time to criticize me? The sad part about this is that my posts in this forum are very intelligent in the way they are presented so it is very obvious that some of you are not reading what I have to say with an open mind at all. How can you say that it is wrong to criticize someone when that is exactly what you are doing?
We even have neodude bringing light to the fact that some of you don't even have to read the thread because you made up your mind about me along time ago!
I'm not sure why some of you take the time to post here but I'm sure you're not doing it because you want people to think that LSD is bad for us. It is well-known in many circles that LSD can open a closed mind but some people will get the wrong idea when they read these threads and see a large number of people claiming to have used LSD that cannot communicate with an open mind.
What kind of person would want to convince others that being honest is not an enlightened way of life? What kind of person would want to convince others that someone who thinks that honest criticism is a healthy part of any relationship is the kind of person who can never find anything good to say about anyone? Are you saying that either a person is always criticizing others or they are always complementing others as if there is no in between. It is just as important to recognize a person's achievements as it is to criticize a person's faults and doing one does not negate the other. I can criticize my wife for constantly knocking things over one hour after I tell her how much I love how gentle and warm she is when she cares about others and my criticism does not change what I love about her. Society would like you to think that popular belief is the truth and anything outside of popular belief is insane. A person can make a very solid and intelligent point that is contrary to popular belief and many will not listen or give it a chance because they are incapable of making up their own mind.
Bill, you are more than intelligent enough to consider what I have to say with an open mind but you would rather side with the majority for some reason. You agree with me, then you don't agree with me and there is good reason to imagine that if relayer and others did not join the discussion in attempts to confuse the point that you would still be in agreement with me. As for your comment that I do not need justification for my beliefs, you might want to make note of the fact that I take the time to explain why I have such beliefs. Seeing that my posts are so much longer and more detailed than your posts, if anyone is failing to justify their beliefs it is definitely not me!
I would like to thank all of you for contributing in this thread because you have inadvertently helped in clarifying the message!
AcidConspiracy
09-28-2008, 09:53 PM
GEEEZ 3x, calm down man. READ THIS...
I also feel like I have a message to spread, on this forum and elsewhere. I have read your posts thuroghly, and it seems that it is your nature to argue. Perhaps your recent trip has shed some light on this part of your personality. I would urge you to consider this: you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
I encourage you to offer your good counsel to folks, but if your advice is not taken, don't let yourself continue to impress upon them the wisdom they rejected.
Your posts are very protracted, and I suspect that your message often gets lost when you assume an argument to begin with, therefore I would give this advice : be more consice.
trying to edit down your paragraphs into a few sentances may give you yourself a better feel for the positive message you are trying to convey. STOP over-intellectualizing, and allow some disagreements to go unretorted. Being the "Jerk" 3x that we have all come to know and love is preventing some people from hearing your voice, so accept this advice, or not, but realize what I am saying to you is simply "Be Kind"
burnabowl
09-28-2008, 10:00 PM
right on brotha. 3xi i've always just figured that there was a communication problem with you and others. whether it's something you're putting out there or not I can't say. all I know is that the main cause of any conflict is weak communication, not failure to agree on an absolute. a lot of time people don't even know wtf they're debating, which may be why you indicate that ppl do agree with you unwittingly......side note: I agree that honesty is the best policy in any situation, but I think it's honesty with oneself, not necessarily being totally honest with everyone, everyday. to assume such a lofty project would inevitably lead to being misunderstood, as you are often.
hippiehillbilly
09-28-2008, 10:02 PM
this thread makes me glad i never looked at LSD as a learning tool...
geeze...
The potential for having respect that I almost felt compelled to consider honoring towards you just reversed itself with this statement. Are you seriously 32 years old and have not yet figured out that your opinion is not fact? What kind of a sweeping judgement is this anyway? Did you ever consider that maybe people who live life trying to avoid causing others to be upset may have figured out something that you havent?
No, I guess not. Better luck next trip, maybe you will learn something new with another go around. Your preaching enlightenment and coming together, yet the more you go on, the more you isolate your position.
Im still waiting for the incredible message he has to share with us. So far all I've heard is how we all suck because we dont agree with him, and that when we do disagree its because we are afraid of the truth, and that he is here to teach us so we better pay attention or else we are not desiring to become better people. That's not all that incredible, really. Kind of dumb if you ask me.
Either I am so truly tired at the moment to even care enough to reply to that pathetic attempt at proving a point 3xi just exhortated to us and tainted our minds with, or I am still recovering from a state of shock after discovering that a full grown man is still trying to come to grips with adulthood and how he should relate to humanity.
Dude, just for your own sake, dont keep any large blocks of cheese in your home, Id hate for you to be beaten to death by your poor wife in an unprovoked burst of administration delivering your karmic incurrence.
This guy is making a complete mockery of himself. Everything he dislikes about me he does himself except he goes one step further in the wrong direction.
Relayer is the one who does not feel the need to justify his beliefs. I guess he feels like he is the King shit around here and does not need to explain himself.
Apparently he thinks that it is wrong to criticize people or that it is wrong to speak your honest perspective. Then he goes on to do exactly that but in a tone that is disgusting and vile. Maybe this is just to further prove my point while he has others in the same thread who seem to have a problem with what I have to say about being honest but don't seem to have a problem with relayer attacking someone instead of offering an intelligent perspective to the contrary. When I take the time to constructively criticize someone or their perspective I make sure that I explain why I feel this way as I articulate my point of view as best I can. Relayer obviously feels that he does not need to explain why he disagrees when all he can do is spit in your face.
What is really strange here is that Bill reads my posts and thinks that I am not taking the time to explain why I believe such things and then he reads relayer's posts and doesn't notice that he is the one that actually deserves that comment. When you agree with someone who is wrong just because they are your friend and you disagree with someone who is right just because you don't like them you should realize that you are holding a grudge and playing favorites. Someone who cannot realize the truth when they hear it because one of their friends does not like the person speaking it is only holding themselves back.
GEEEZ 3x, calm down man.
Calm down? Are you trying to suggest that someone who is willing to take the time to articulate their point of view is upset or frustrated?
I'm actually very calm and quite enjoying this. I am exercising my mind as I am further understanding my own point of view while I help others understand as well.
What made you think I need to calm down? When someone cares enough to take the time to express themselves in a long detailed manner you think they need to calm down. Are you suggesting that I shouldn't take the time to express myself here?
AcidConspiracy
09-28-2008, 10:41 PM
3x, I literally mean "be calm"
I appreciated your long and detailed work, and it seems that over the course of your replies to the comments thereof, you have become more defensive, and there is no need.
Perhaps my posting this reply to your reply to my reply to your statement will be responeded to in kind although it would be unnessecery... I suspect that you are going to consider it, but consider THIS:
A conversation is not always a debate.
therefore, I completely agree with you on all points...
Your posts are very protracted, and I suspect that your message often gets lost when you assume an argument to begin with, therefore I would give this advice : be more consice.
trying to edit down your paragraphs into a few sentances may give you yourself a better feel for the positive message you are trying to convey. STOP over-intellectualizing, and allow some disagreements to go unretorted. Being the "Jerk" 3x that we have all come to know and love is preventing some people from hearing your voice, so accept this advice, or not, but realize what I am saying to you is simply "Be Kind"
Some things cannot be said in a few words and let me assure you that it wouldn't matter how I said what I said in this thread because people would object and attack me for my perspective regardless. Trust me, as I have tried many a times. Sometimes I take the time and elaborate other times I make it short and sweet. Some people are not willing to accept anything I have to say no matter how I say it. If you were willing to stop for one moment and consider that these people are not willing to hear what I have to say regardless and taking the time to elaborate further after hearing where they get confused should not only be accepted but respected. Are you trying to suggest that the reason why they didn't agree with me in the first place is because they knew that I was going to continue with my argument after they disagreed? Or are you trying to say that if I had just ignored what they had to say that they would've eventually come around and understood what I had to say and that when I took time to elaborate, that this only made it that much more likely for them not to understand my point? Do you think that when I took the time to argue my point further that I was actually able to have people who already agreed with me change their mind to now disagree with me? Are you saying that a complex subject would be easier to communicate to people who are not willing to understand the subject if I was to use less words? Well then maybe you could've come into the thread and put it in your own words and show us how using less words would somehow be able to convince these people! People are looking for a reason not to accept what I have to say or even give it a chance. I have on many occasions in the past expressed a similar point of view sometimes in far less words and the same people who do not understand my point today did not understand it when I used less words!
I'm trying to imagine how anyone could think that someone who would take the time to help shed some light on what they feel is a very important subject is doing anything wrong. The fact that I have a lot to say does not suggest that what I have to say is invalid or should not be considered. You say I am wrong to continue debating but then why did you join the debate? Sometimes people need to hear things in different ways to better understand the message that is trying to be communicated. Sometimes the way that I communicate something at first is not in a way that everyone can understand so I come at it from a different angle and try to explain it in a different way so that others may better understand what I'm trying to say.
I'm using Dragon speaking voice recognition and this actually takes a lot less time than typing would. The fact that I'm taking the time to help people understand something is actually admirable. If they don't want to read it they won't read it.
You think I should be kind but like I said if you are an honest person you cannot please everyone. Sometimes what people need to hear is exactly what they don't want to hear and I am willing to be the person to say it. I understand that I should learn to express these things in the best way that I can as I want my message to be accepted but at the same time an honest person can only be so nice.
Well there was a few very long sentences in that post and I hope that you can be open-minded enough to accept the way in which I choose to communicate sometimes.
I appreciated your long and detailed work, and it seems that over the course of your replies to the comments thereof, you have become more defensive, and there is no need.
I do not want you to think that I do not appreciate you taking the time to help me understand myself better and I'm sure that you make a very good point. It's just that saying calm down implies that you think I am angry when I'm not. I'm not at all happy with the fact that a few people in the lsd forum can't help but to twist and contort what I have to say into something that would suggest that I'm someone that no one should listen to. A few of these people have made it a top priority to attack and insult me whenever I post. I'm not quite sure how I am supposed to be happy about this but at the same time I do not want them to feel like I do not accept them for who they are. We can use the word debate and argument only because there are people who are disagreeing with each other in this thread. Not all arguments and debates are heated or filled with anger. I can offer up a good solid argument without getting upset or angry. I may not be happy about what is going on but I sure as hell am not angry. If anyone needs to calm down it is relayer. You know that someone is not doing well when they suggest that you should be beaten to death with a brick of cheese.
burnabowl
09-28-2008, 11:32 PM
this thread makes me glad i never looked at LSD as a learning tool...
geeze...
this is a hijacking......I dig a non-educational trip, but isn't this the very reason you didn't learn from lsd? the fact that you never looked at it as a learning/evolutionary aid? there are many threads in the cid forum dissimilar to this yet you haven't commented on those making you glad u don't see acid as educational. is it b/c they make u wish u did see it as educational or b/c u hardly visit this forum and happened to comment on this one? I may sound like an ass but i'm just curious
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 03:54 AM
This thread is what happens when people take themselves too seriously.
You all are just a portion of a blip within a blip of a part of a pixel on the screen of consciousness, and yet you take yourselves so seriously, talking about who is right and who is wrong and undeniable truth.
The whole thing is a joke man.
Mr.Writer
09-29-2008, 05:03 AM
3xi, it's really hard to read your posts when they are giant, meandering paragraphs. This isn't me criticizing your posting style, this is me telling you I can't fucking read your posts dude. And I would like to.
burnabowl
09-29-2008, 06:01 AM
This thread is what happens when people take themselves too seriously.
You all are just a portion of a blip within a blip of a part of a pixel on the screen of consciousness, and yet you take yourselves so seriously, talking about who is right and who is wrong and undeniable truth.
The whole thing is a joke man.
lol, you're indicating the same about yourself with this post. we all have separate lives, these are just a thing to do in the meantime. I only represent a small portion of myself in my posting, a portion that doesn't get as much association in my nondigital life. if posting here required as much gravity and effort as you say you detect in the posts, it'd prolly not be worth it to post. it's just for fun no one is taking it is as seriously as you seem to here.
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 06:05 AM
lol, you're indicating the same about yourself with this post. we all have separate lives, these are just a thing to do in the meantime. I only represent a small portion of myself in my posting, a portion that doesn't get as much association in my nondigital life. if posting here required as much gravity and effort as you say you detect in the posts, it'd prolly not be worth it to post. it's just for fun no one is taking it is as seriously as you seem to here.
you mean besides the huge long drawn out posts that 3xi is composing right, and your direct response to what I just said?
I wanted to be polite, so I kinda went for the "you all" approach rather than just direcly saying "3xi", but I guess if it offends you so much, well the shoe fits :rolleyes: guess I struck a nerve.
[insert argument about how this post is just perpetuating us "taking it too seriously"]
Look, just b/c I realize it's just a game, doesn't mean I dont have to play. :D
burnabowl
09-29-2008, 08:27 AM
I wasn't offended. I was just using myself as an example. if I see a post I think needs responding to, I will. but it's never personal; how could it be when we hardly know each other?
StonerBill
09-29-2008, 08:29 AM
Yo I stopped reading partly because Ive said what I wanted to say and because 3xi's font is too small to read quickly. But just to clear up my end, 3x - I wasnt really talking about how you react to me, Im expressing my opinion of how I see your interactions with other people in the board. And I think that you have overproportion (to the extent where it seems always) of negative stances in your statements to other people. Ive not got much of a problem with it, but I still have an opinion on the matter and I only feel like making it when I feel like my opinion provides a way of looking at the situation that isnt just another polarised assertion, because so often there are arguments occuring, and so often they occur because of the way you interact, and not as much what you say, perse
which ties in with why frustration is bad - because it influences the way you interact with the person and prevents the content of your words being received appropriately
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 12:06 PM
but it's never personal; how could it be when we hardly know each other?
^ this is an state of mind a lot of people take up when thinking about the internet, but I dont see why.
We dont know each other face to face, and we dont use our voices to communicate on here, but wouldn't you say that the more you see someone post, the more you come to recognize their characteristic approach to things, their method of communication, what sort of threads they post in, common spelling mistakes, how they express themselves grammatically......all in all, I think people do in fact have an online persona that is presented to other people on the forum.
I dont even know you that well (even for internet terms :D) but there are still characteristic qualities about your posts that I've come to recognize.
I mean, of course real life interactions are much more intimate, but I think we do know each other here in some sort of personal way.
RELAYER
09-29-2008, 02:33 PM
3xi, it's not my fault that you threaten to leave your wife because she got an extra slice of cheese on her sandwich and then come here and act like you have the power to help anyone. Im not going to explain myself to someone who is 32 years old and tells people they are picking favorites in an argument. Little girls do that when they dont get what they want.
burnabowl
09-29-2008, 05:06 PM
neo, that's true there are things we put out that are characteristic and recognizable, and are just as authentic as our offline lives. much of what I present online would be there in real life too. and while it is for fun, there is a lot that I do take seriously from others here. my point is if I seemed offended i'm not, since I would require all the signals from a real life person to commit to a feeling of that nature. until then it's just me seeing a statement and either challenging it or elaborating on it. I try to indicate in my responses that I have no ill feeling myself. being honest though, I can't stand when ppl roll their eyes at me in a post. I never direct that emoticon at anyone here and no one rolls eyes at me offline, even saying the same stuff. I think it's uncalled for and condescending and I doubt we'd use something like that if we knew each other better. I would've replied exactly the same had there been no rolling eyes guy, since that is my own thing and I don't project it back when I respond.
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 05:13 PM
neo, that's true there are things we put out that are characteristic and recognizable, and are just as authentic as our offline lives. much of what I present online would be there in real life too. and while it is for fun, there is a lot that I do take seriously from others here. my point is if I seemed offended i'm not, since I would require all the signals from a real life person to commit to a feeling of that nature. until then it's just me seeing a statement and either challenging it or elaborating on it. I try to indicate in my responses that I have no ill feeling myself. being honest though, I can't stand when ppl roll their eyes at me in a post. I never direct that emoticon at anyone here and no one rolls eyes at me offline, even saying the same stuff. I think it's uncalled for and condescending and I doubt we'd use something like that if we knew each other better. I would've replied exactly the same had there been no rolling eyes guy, since that is my own thing and I don't project it back when I respond.
:rolleyes:
lol but it's just a rolling eye face guy. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
to me he seems whimsical and deep in thought like "hmm I wonder if I should really put 3 rolling eye guys in this post" but then on the other hand I see where he could be "geez, there goes burnabowl yappin 'bout that crazy stuff again"
either way he is funny. just a emoticon guy man.
after this post though I wont roll my eyes at you again though.
burnabowl
09-29-2008, 05:27 PM
hahaha. you should've just rolled your eyes at me again
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 05:47 PM
yeah I didn't want to be a jerk though lol.
3xi, it's not my fault that you threaten to leave your wife because she got an extra slice of cheese on her sandwich and then come here and act like you have the power to help anyone. Im not going to explain myself to someone who is 32 years old and tells people they are picking favorites in an argument. Little girls do that when they dont get what they want.
First off, that is not all what happened! My wife and I are now vegan and she and I are both very happy having lost a lot of weight and feeling very good about ourselves. Basically I told her that I was not going to facilitate her unhealthy ways and that I would leave her if she did not start to take her health seriously, which is something she had been saying she wanted to do for a long time. As it turns out we both had to take a better look at our situation and now neither one of us eats cheese.
Regardless of what happened, why would it have any relevance in this thread.
Are you saying that because you completely misunderstood something that happened between me and my wife probably six months ago that you are unable to hear what I have to say today? Are you saying that you are unable to hear what somebody is saying in the moment with an open mind?
Do honestly feel good about your comments in this thread relayer?
Autentique
09-29-2008, 05:51 PM
Funny how a few of you understood this when you first read the post but then after someone else comes in and tries to make me out to be someone I'm not you forget about what I said and start to imagine me as someone who claims to be perfect and all knowing although I've never said anything to that effect. So just in case I didn't make it clear enough, we all have room to improve and I, just like everyone else should be open to constructive criticism. I'm not going to agree with something that I feel is completely wrong just to show you that I can make mistakes and change my mind. You're going to have to make a very strong argument that illustrates the truth and how I was wrong to think otherwise before I change my mind. Who cares if you disagree when you can't take the time to illustrate why!
I dont think the change in people towards you was anyone else's doing, but your own.
The second post you made in this thread after StayLoose talks to you in such a postive way made us all realize (yet again) how arrogant you are. I mean, the OP post was already filled with a holier-than-thou attitude, but when you reply like that to people who seem to be agreeing with you and are incapable (yet again) of accepting his constructive criticism about the way you express yourself. Something that most people that come across with your posts seem to have a problem with, but we're all wrong and you're right (as always). Maybe when you start practicing what you preach people will welcome with a more open mind what you have to say. Also saying I do appreciate criticism and disregarding every slightly negative thing that someone has to say or telling them they are wrong, well is not really considering what they tell you. I dont see how this is any different from the way people react to your comments, but what do I know? I'm just one of earth's lesser beings :rolleyes:
In most cases it doesn't matter how I say it, people just can't handle the truth. You cannot be an honest person and make everyone happy, that would be impossible. My point is that when people get upset and either start to justify their actions or somehow try to suggest that I am in the wrong for pointing out their faults, that I should not get frustrated as this only gives these people more reason to believe that they are in the right. People who live their lives trying not to upset anybody are basically liars and cowards. A loving person has no choice but to enlighten those around them. People who understand the truth must convey that message whether or not this message is accepted by everyone. The trick is not to let it get to you when people become defensive or when they try to suggest that something's wrong with you for pointing out their faults or suggesting that they could be better people.
It's funny how I thought that this thread would be interesting enough to prompt a better response than this.
Personally, I feel that anyone who lives life without the desire to become a better person is in for one hell of a ride and if that same person takes some acid, holy mother fucking shit are they in for a surprise. The best part about this is that when nothing seems to be going right in their life they will have absolutely no idea why and they will probably blame everything but themselves.
__________________
I mean, seriously?
To be an honest person you dont need to make everyone happy, but you also dont need to make everyone upset.
Silence doesnt make you a liar or a coward, people learn more by example anyways.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to help people, but there's a difference between acting out of love and acting to feed your ego.
When people dont listen to what you say, let it go man. You might be right, but they are their own person with their own life. I disagree with a lot of things I see in people and sometimes I say something about it, they think Im wrong or just dont listen, great, Im not gonna get all frustrated and come here to make a thread about it because it just doesnt matter.
This thread is what happens when people take themselves too seriously.
You all are just a portion of a blip within a blip of a part of a pixel on the screen of consciousness, and yet you take yourselves so seriously, talking about who is right and who is wrong and undeniable truth.
The whole thing is a joke man.
So we shouldn't take life seriously because life is joke?
I'm all about enjoying life but I'm not about to accept that I was incarnated into this physical form to satisfy someone's or some things sense of humor. My life is not a joke as I am here for a reason. Life can be a wonderful and amazing adventure if you learn how to enjoy it. Learning how to enjoy life is not easy and definitely is no joke although at times I do like to joke around. Some things in life should be taken very seriously and to think otherwise is just a copout. That doesn't mean you can't have a good time, enjoy yourself and joke around but there is a time and a place for that.
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 06:06 PM
So we shouldn't take life seriously because life is joke?
you take life however you want to buddy. take everything super serious until the day you die, and pass on thinking that your presence actually did anything. It's a game we all play.
I'm all about enjoying life but I'm not about to accept that I was incarnated into this physical form to satisfy someone's or some things sense of humor. My life is not a joke as I am here for a reason. Life can be a wonderful and amazing adventure if you learn how to enjoy it. Learning how to enjoy life is not easy and definitely is no joke although at times I do like to joke around. Some things in life should be taken very seriously and to think otherwise is just a copout. That doesn't mean you can't have a good time, enjoy yourself and joke around but there is a time and a place for that.
are you here for a reason, or are you the reason you are here?
I dont think the change in people towards you was anyone else's doing, but your own.
The second post you made in this thread after StayLoose talks to you in such a postive way made us all realize (yet again) how arrogant you are. I mean, the OP post was already filled with a holier-than-thou attitude, but when you reply like that to people who seem to be agreeing with you and are incapable (yet again) of accepting his constructive criticism about the way you express yourself. Something that most people that come across with your posts seem to have a problem with, but we're all wrong and you're right (as always). Maybe when you start practicing what you preach people will welcome with a more open mind what you have to say. Also saying I do appreciate criticism and disregarding every slightly negative thing that someone has to say or telling them they are wrong, well is not really considering what they tell you. I dont see how this is any different from the way people react to your comments, but what do I know? I'm just one of earth's lesser beings :rolleyes:
I mean, seriously?
To be an honest person you dont need to make everyone happy, but you also dont need to make everyone upset.
Silence doesnt make you a liar or a coward, people learn more by example anyways.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to help people, but there's a difference between acting out of love and acting to feed your ego.
When people dont listen to what you say, let it go man. You might be right, but they are their own person with their own life. I disagree with a lot of things I see in people and sometimes I say something about it, they think Im wrong or just dont listen, great, Im not gonna get all frustrated and come here to make a thread about it because it just doesnt matter.
You sure make a lot of assumptions!
So a person has to be frustrated in order to feel like sharing their experience with the friendly people in the lsd forum?
Never have I suggested that I'm better than everyone else or that you or anyone else is a lesser being!
My second post was to clarify where I was being misunderstood.
Are you saying that a person who realizes that they are speaking the truth is doing so only to fulfill their ego? When an intelligent person has enough experience with a situation they can speak with confidence knowing full well what they are saying is the truth. You do not have to have an inflated ego to be confident while you speak the truth. The trick is to be humble enough to know when you lack the necessary experience and maybe you do not know what's best for the situation.
RELAYER
09-29-2008, 06:26 PM
First off, that is not all what happened! My wife and I are now vegan and she and I are both very happy having lost a lot of weight and feeling very good about ourselves. Basically I told her that I was not going to facilitate her unhealthy ways and that I would leave her if she did not start to take her health seriously, which is something she had been saying she wanted to do for a long time. As it turns out we both had to take a better look at our situation and now neither one of us eats cheese.
Regardless of what happened, why would it have any relevance in this thread.
Are you saying that because you completely misunderstood something that happened between me and my wife probably six months ago that you are unable to hear what I have to say today? Are you saying that you are unable to hear what somebody is saying in the moment with an open mind?
Do honestly feel good about your comments in this thread relayer?
Shit I forgot, your always in the right. Of course I dont understand, your wife wasted several pages on the forums complaining about you because you are too kind and caring and she just couldnt stand your immense love anymore
Autentique
09-29-2008, 06:45 PM
You sure make a lot of assumptions!
I guess?
So a person has to be frustrated in order to feel like sharing their experience with the friendly people in the lsd forum?
Of course not. I think that your trip revolving around how people dont get your message. You even referred to people who dont care about you and what you have to say evil, that seems not only extremely self centered, but yes frustrated that people are not going "oh yes, 3xi. I'll change my ways"
Never have I suggested that I'm better than everyone else or that you or anyone else is a lesser being!
I dont think of myself as a lesser being either, it was a joke. I do think everything you say about you and others shows that you think you're better and wiser than most people.
My second post was to clarify where I was being misunderstood.
Ok...
Are you saying that a person who realizes that they are speaking the truth is doing so only to fulfill their ego? When an intelligent person has enough experience with a situation they can speak with confidence knowing full well what they are saying is the truth. You do not have to have an inflated ego to be confident while you speak the truth. The trick is to be humble enough to know when you lack the necessary experience and maybe you do not know what's best for the situation.
Im saying that a person that needs for others to realize how wrong they are and for them to listen to his truth, doesnt really care about others at all, but about himself and is "helping" for his own satisfaction.
Being confident and being humble always go together, people who are confident dont need to prove anything to anyone, people who are humble dont need to show off anything. They just let others figure it out on their own. You can say "I'm an intelligent person" and constantly act dumb. You can also say nothing and act intelligently.
I'm very curious about what your message is? What is this truth you speak of? I think I hear you more talk about people not getting it, than talking about what there is to get.
neodude1212
09-29-2008, 06:47 PM
I'm very curious about what your message is? What is this truth you speak of? I think I hear you more talk about people not getting it, than talking about what there is to get.
^ yeah I must agree.
Mr.Writer
09-30-2008, 05:06 AM
Is your message what you said later in your post about the importance of becoming a better person and the importance of LSD (in case I missed something)?
We're all holding our breath brother :)
I guess?
Of course not. I think that your trip revolving around how people dont get your message. You even referred to people who dont care about you and what you have to say evil, that seems not only extremely self centered, but yes frustrated that people are not going "oh yes, 3xi. I'll change my ways"
I dont think of myself as a lesser being either, it was a joke. I do think everything you say about you and others shows that you think you're better and wiser than most people.
Ok...
Im saying that a person that needs for others to realize how wrong they are and for them to listen to his truth, doesnt really care about others at all, but about himself and is "helping" for his own satisfaction.
Being confident and being humble always go together, people who are confident dont need to prove anything to anyone, people who are humble dont need to show off anything. They just let others figure it out on their own. You can say "I'm an intelligent person" and constantly act dumb. You can also say nothing and act intelligently.
I'm very curious about what your message is? What is this truth you speak of? I think I hear you more talk about people not getting it, than talking about what there is to get.
lol
you say... "They just let others figure it out on their own."
So why are you not letting me figure it out on my own?
Is your message what you said later in your post about the importance of becoming a better person and the importance of LSD (in case I missed something)?
I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious. You got the message bang on but let's not forget that LSD is not for everyone and that part of becoming a better person is learning how to be open enough to listen and consider what others have to say about us because it is okay to allow someone to help you become a better person.
porkstock41
09-30-2008, 07:19 AM
well during the first page i wanted to reply with a simple "amen!"
i feel what you were saying 3xi.
i agree with 3xi on this, just b/c i think he is being greatly misunderstood.
i also think he is greatly misunderstanding.
you are contradicting yourself - but enough with the argument. (if you'd like clarification, i'd be happy to discuss it) (no sarcasm, seriously.)
i find the direction this thread took to be frustrating to say the least.
this makes me think of a recent thread; if you could have any three things given to you, what would they be?
how about the ability to completely understand. and the ability to be completely understood.
i can see that the first is the only important one. the second is to feed the ego, but as imperfect human beings, that's something that we all thrive on, like it or not.
that's all i can say right now. i'm tired and feel that most of this will be lost in translation. from feelings/thoughts/emotions to crappy, human, english language, of which i'm no expert. i feel a sense of falling short.
a big fuckin :cheers2: to everyone!
Autentique
09-30-2008, 08:17 AM
lol
you say... "They just let others figure it out on their own."
So why are you not letting me figure it out on my own?
I meant that our qualities speak for themselves. There's no need to say Im smart, Im confident, Im humble, Im whatever. It shows through our actions. Saying listen to me I know the truth, is not the best way to showcase confidence.
I enjoy talking to the wind :)
Mr.Writer
09-30-2008, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious. You got the message bang on but let's not forget that LSD is not for everyone and that part of becoming a better person is learning how to be open enough to listen and consider what others have to say about us because it is okay to allow someone to help you become a better person.
The real challenge is knowing who's advice to take, because some people will give you "advice" that is utter bollocks because they just want to mold you closer to their view of what a good person is. People have different ideas on what constitutes a good person I think; within the hippie community those ideas would be relatively alike, but out in the real world you'll meet all sorts of idiots and assholes who think you should be this way or that.
sw0o0sh
10-01-2008, 02:01 AM
Why don't we step out the box for a moment and see where all these disagreements have been going? Without caring who's right and who's wrong. Let's try this constructive criticism thing.
I mean what I say, and I'm sure everybody else here means what they say. 3xi seems to assume what everybody means, followed by elaboration on his own assumptions. Does he ever respond directly to what somebody says? No. He breaks it down in his own terms. Not everybody has the same point of view on every situation.. perhaps that could be where all this miscommunication is coming up, no?
You sure make a lot of assumptions!
So a person has to be frustrated in order to feel like sharing their experience with the friendly people in the lsd forum?
He makes a claim that authentiques making an assumption... and then goes on to make an assumption about what she means. Hmm? Seems a bit contradictive. Clearly miscommunication.
Are you saying that you are unable to hear what somebody is saying in the moment with an open mind?
Seems apparent that somebody can't understand anybody else besides himself. I believe the answer would be, he/she is saying what he/she is saying and nothing else besides that, so elaborate on that. 3xi appears to miss that que every time somebody throws in their point of view. Stop assuming things... damn. Not to mention his assumptions are awfully provokative.
I can see why nobody understands 3xi's message and why he gets frustrated when people don't understand him. Does anybody understand what exactly he's on about, or what the hell he is trying to defend or uphold anymore? What is he trying to prove in all these novel size messages anyway? It seems like 3xi is just arguing for the sake of arguing, not trying to get anywhere and not trying to settle a damn thing. He's not clarifying anything except his mental position on an argument.
3xi, You also threaten to leave your wife over silly things like health choices, why not accept her for who she is rather than picking out her flaws? Is who she is already not good enough? Accepting people for who they are.. now.. that might just show you what true loves about. You obviously think there's something wrong with her if she isn't the way you want her to be already. But then again there's always time to turn around, right? Nobody's going to ever be perfect from your point of view.
The best thing by far LSD has ever taught me is, that there is no better person to be besides yourself. What else are we anyway under these accumulated levels of negativity, interpretations, and judgements on ways to be? Loving human beings. And even when we find ourselves buried underneath all the bullshit and not ready to collapse? What do most of do on our own anyway? Try to find ways to improve. True, some may give up. But the point still stands.. negativity is taught, it is in no way natural. And it survives through nobody besides the person who chooses to hold onto it and believe in it, aware or not.
Building an image of perfection in your head is the foundation for ego, and also a pretty sturdy foundation on never being happy with what is already. Building an image of right and wrong in your head is also a foundation for the ego, as it's all a matter of opinion and human created anyway. There is no winners in the game of duality. Arguing is for the sake of defense on a mental position, it's not clarifying anything besides a persons personal point of view, and at best, in hopes that the other person might agree.. and for what anyway?
And, 3xi, now that I'm done here, I ask you not re-interpret everything I say in your own terms, or bring up the past, but to use your new found openness for constructive criticism and see where I am going with all of this.
But anyway, like relayer said in the beginning, better luck next trip, the ego seems damn strong and excessive now.
Cheers.
:cheers2:
Hope somebody sees the light.
porkstock41
10-01-2008, 02:39 AM
from the 1st post.
...When I get frustrated with someone for not listening to me I only give them another reason not to listen to me and at that point I become an enabler.
...I'm not perfect and I'm not always right so I will always consider what someone has to say about me or about what I have to say.
...These people don't shut me out because they hate me, they shut me out because they are insecure and afraid.
a) i think you many have done so again
b) hope you take some of our advice as constructive criticism.
i will admit that some people kinda seemed to attack you instead of talk to you like a peer. but maybe you didn't present yourself as a peer, who knows.
and c) you do make assumptions that irritate the discussion. try making the opposite assumption. maybe the people aren't listening to the truth b/c they have found their own truth.
also, i would like to ask "What exactly is your main point?" just to clarify. and (like someone else suggested) a brief, concise answer will be best received.
finally, i am not trying to insult you or disagree with you. i enjoy the topic of conversation. (whatever that is)
I was making no assumptions!
That's why i was asking questions for clearification!
lol
I meant that our qualities speak for themselves. There's no need to say Im smart, Im confident, Im humble, Im whatever. It shows through our actions. Saying listen to me I know the truth, is not the best way to showcase confidence.
I enjoy talking to the wind :)
ya, think about my response again!
finally, i am not trying to insult you or disagree with you. i enjoy the topic of conversation. (whatever that is)
Go back and read post #57
blitz7341
10-01-2008, 07:11 AM
thats cool how you can learn alot by doing acid. for me lsd dosnt have that kind of mental effect i just feel like its an intoxicant. dont get me wrong its a blast but i dont usually feel like i learn anything. for me mushrooms is what i take to learn. idk maybe its just me but i feel much more connected with my psyche when im on mushrooms
RELAYER
10-02-2008, 02:31 AM
I was making no assumptions!
That's why i was asking questions for clearification!
lol
Thank you for clearifying that up
^^^ anytime buddy :peace:
neodude1212
10-02-2008, 06:42 AM
you guys love each other.
RELAYER
10-02-2008, 01:18 PM
It's true, we only act like children and get into heated arguments on the surface, but deep down, were all soul brothas
Share the Warmth
10-02-2008, 01:46 PM
You know, you CAN come off as offensive 3xi, and regardless of what you feel or perceive to be the truth about me, I'm no thief. I assisted a friend in shoplifting at Christmas once (I stood behind her to offer concealment while she stole a few things) and that wasn't right, but that's the past, and I did it as a loving favor for a friend, not for monetary gain.
But yeah you did call me a thief on I think two or more occasions. What's up with that?
neodude1212
10-02-2008, 02:46 PM
Well, actually I was drunk and was being sarcastic and meant in a romantic way, but yeah, you are right.
You know, you CAN come off as offensive 3xi, and regardless of what you feel or perceive to be the truth about me, I'm no thief. I assisted a friend in shoplifting at Christmas once (I stood behind her to offer concealment while she stole a few things) and that wasn't right, but that's the past, and I did it as a loving favor for a friend, not for monetary gain.
But yeah you did call me a thief on I think two or more occasions. What's up with that?
If you honestly think that stealing is wrong and you truly love someone you would not help them steal but instead you would try to help them understand why it is wrong to steal and if they were to continue with their plan you would not be a part of it in order to show them that you do not agree with what they are doing.
I'm not sure where I called you a thief but I will say this, if you would do that again for your friend (help them steal) then yes you are just as guilty as them and I might as well call you a thief because I sure as hell wouldn't trust you. I might trust you with my life as you have given me no reason to think that you would hurt me in that way but I would not trust you with my money or the keys to my home. If you're over at my house I would make sure my weed is in the drawer out of reach because if you think it is okay for someone you love to steal than when you are in need it will not be that difficult to justify doing it yourself either.
It's true, we only act like children and get into heated arguments on the surface, but deep down, were all soul brothas
I'm not sure why you used the word we in this post. Go ahead and speak for yourself if you like as I will not disagree with you when you speak of childish and heated remarks. I don't have a problem responding to your comments in whatever way I feel might help you better understand yourself and how you involve yourself with what should be an intelligent conversation.
I would like to make sure that it is obvious that I'm here to express my honest perspective so that others may benefit in some way. You obviously have a problem with this and I have no problem with helping you understand where your problem is. If you are to tell me that we should avoid speaking the truth so that we don't upset anyone in life than I'm going to tell you that you are a two-faced coward only because that is exactly what you are saying about yourself. The funny part is that although you feel that way you still find yourself actually trying to upset people but you still manage to avoid the point. Maybe you should try cooling down, accepting people for who they are and trying to be a part of a healthy, honest and intelligent conversation. I hope you don't mind if I refer to you as someone who is capable of involving themselves in an intelligent conversation. I wouldn't want anyone to think that referring to use an intelligent person is suggesting that you are not an intelligent person. If you are able to let go of your hate on for 3xi, relax and try to enjoy a friendly conversation you might find out where the problem was. Don't spit in my face if you expect me to have a smile on my face. Don't suggest that I am wrong to suggest that we should all be honest unless you want us all to realize that you are a liar. I only suggested that you are liar so that you might get upset with me for saying so while you realize that you don't want to be a liar because you would rather be an honest person.
Although you continue to demonstrate that you're not willing to admit that I play an important role in your life when you constantly badmouth me no matter what I'm talking about I still see you as a friend. Because although it may not be obvious to you it is obvious to me and probably a few others that you have changed a lot over the last year. Of course I'm not going to take all the credit for this or even most of the credit but I have had a powerful effect on who you are today and I don't care if you deny this because I know the truth. Maybe one day you'll thank me for it but it doesn't matter either way because I know deep down inside that you are thankful. I've changed much over the last year as well and although you have not been trying to help me become a better person, inadvertently through your incredibly difficult ways I have managed to refine my communication skills. The better I can communicate to people who can't stand who I am or hate me for who I am the better I am at communicating my message to everyone and for that I thank you. I don't expect you to see me as a friend but I see you as a friend and if it makes you feel better to think that I'm all upset and angry with having to write this post, somehow involving myself in what you call a heated and childish argument then go ahead but let me assure you not only am I calm but I actually enjoy communicating with you. I like challenges as they help me become a better person.
Why don't you explain to everyone why you are unwilling to accept 3xi as a friend who is deserving of your respect.
On more than one occasion I've accused a friend of mine of being either a liar or a thief and although in that moment they may not have appreciated what I felt was being a good friend, over time they understood as our friendship continued!
neodude1212
10-02-2008, 06:16 PM
^ are you kidding me?
*shakes head*
RELAYER
10-02-2008, 06:20 PM
3xi I thought you had a messianic complex before, but now I am beginning to worry that you truly are suffering from some kind of a mental disease. I've never before met someone who was so full of themself. Your importance and wisdom are the likes of sleeping with a prostitute and finding crabs on your dick in the morning, the lesson being, dont fuck whores.
Kizen
10-02-2008, 06:24 PM
get a grip (y'all fuckers)
neodude1212
10-02-2008, 06:33 PM
I'm not sure why you used the word we in this post.
he said we b/c you are a part of these arguments just as much as anyone else is.
Go ahead and speak for yourself if you like as I will not disagree with you when you speak of childish and heated remarks.
Since you reveal your "truth" in declarative, matter-of-fact statements, I'll do the same. Much of what you say is childish and heated, if not in a round about way.
I would like to make sure that it is obvious that I'm here to express my honest perspective so that others may benefit in some way. You obviously have a problem with this and I have no problem with helping you understand where your problem is.
no offense, but you should understand and work on your own problems before you try to help others. You'll be able to facilitate the upliftment of their consciousness, rather than just tripping all over your ego.
If you are to tell me that we should avoid speaking the truth so that we don't upset anyone in life than I'm going to tell you that you are a two-faced coward only because that is exactly what you are saying about yourself.
and this ^ is not the way to aid others. know your audience. can you imagine if Jesus went around and threw everyone's faults in their face.
"you are a two-faced coward"
"oh gee, thanks Jesus, that's just what I needed to hear."
if you are conversing with an ego-bound individual, directly and flat-out insulting them is obviously not desirable. All you accomplish is a spark of indignation and then everyone goes their merry ways.
The funny part is that although you feel that way you still find yourself actually trying to upset people but you still manage to avoid the point. Maybe you should try cooling down, accepting people for who they are and trying to be a part of a healthy, honest and intelligent conversation.
yes, this reminds me of a certain someone else who posts on this forum :rolleyes:
wise words....perhaps you should take your own advice.
Although you continue to demonstrate that you're not willing to admit that I play an important role in your life when you constantly badmouth me no matter what I'm talking about I still see you as a friend. Because although it may not be obvious to you it is obvious to me and probably a few others that you have changed a lot over the last year. Of course I'm not going to take all the credit for this or even most of the credit but I have had a powerful effect on who you are today and I don't care if you deny this because I know the truth. Maybe one day you'll thank me for it but it doesn't matter either way because I know deep down inside that you are thankful. I've changed much over the last year as well and although you have not been trying to help me become a better person, inadvertently through your incredibly difficult ways I have managed to refine my communication skills. The better I can communicate to people who can't stand who I am or hate me for who I am the better I am at communicating my message to everyone and for that I thank you. I don't expect you to see me as a friend but I see you as a friend and if it makes you feel better to think that I'm all upset and angry with having to write this post, somehow involving myself in what you call a heated and childish argument then go ahead but let me assure you not only am I calm but I actually enjoy communicating with you. I like challenges as they help me become a better person.
really dont know what to say about all that. I can't speak for anyone else, but this is just a forum man. You most likely don't impact people as much as you would like to think.
Why don't you explain to everyone why you are unwilling to accept 3xi as a friend who is deserving of your respect.
Here is an excellent example of why you are condescending. First of all, you phrase this as if you were talking to a child, or if you are some sort of authority figure. You can't get through to people like this, but at this point, I'm losing all hope that you actually have something to get through to us. Then you assume that you really are a friend who is deserving of respect. Whether or not that is true, is not for you to decide.
On more than one occasion I've accused a friend of mine of being either a liar or a thief and although in that moment they may not have appreciated what I felt was being a good friend, over time they understood as our friendship continued!
That's a heartwarming story, but accusing people is like, the worst thing you could possibly do when trying to have, in your words, an intelligent conversation.
Mr.Writer
10-02-2008, 07:16 PM
Who are you kidding. Your "important message" is nothing more than the manic rants of an angry, opinionated, egotistical wannabe-martyr. You wanna know why you have a hard time getting through to people? It's because you're overwhelming. No, not your nebulous, questionable "important message", but your persona. You exude a nauseating amount of ego, vitriol, self-importance to the point of messiah complex, and just a general head-up-own-ass syndrome.
I came into this thread hoping to start off on a new page with you, but I see you're the same maniac jerkoff that you have been since I joined these boards.
YOU are the reason people don't get your message, because there is no way in hell someone like you has any grasp on any truth in life.
I feel really sad for you 3xi. I was actually thinking of PM'ing you and seeing if you wanted to meet IRL for a toke or something, but you sound like just another crazy asshole, and I've had enough of those for one lifetime.
Here's to hoping that you one day break through your ego-barrier and are able to turn around and look at what you've made of yourself.
I think maybe you need to take a few long walks into a forest and look around, at all the things that are not you.
Autentique
10-02-2008, 08:34 PM
Who are you kidding. Your "important message" is nothing more than the manic rants of an angry, opinionated, egotistical wannabe-martyr. You wanna know why you have a hard time getting through to people? It's because you're overwhelming. No, not your nebulous, questionable "important message", but your persona. You exude a nauseating amount of ego, vitriol, self-importance to the point of messiah complex, and just a general head-up-own-ass syndrome.
I came into this thread hoping to start off on a new page with you, but I see you're the same maniac jerkoff that you have been since I joined these boards.
YOU are the reason people don't get your message, because there is no way in hell someone like you has any grasp on any truth in life.
I feel really sad for you 3xi. I was actually thinking of PM'ing you and seeing if you wanted to meet IRL for a toke or something, but you sound like just another crazy asshole, and I've had enough of those for one lifetime.
Here's to hoping that you one day break through your ego-barrier and are able to turn around and look at what you've made of yourself.
I think maybe you need to take a few long walks into a forest and look around, at all the things that are not you.
:cheers2:
RELAYER
10-02-2008, 08:37 PM
:cheers2:
Hey lady, no drinking beer with my baby in your belly! :D
:cheers2:
Autentique
10-02-2008, 08:47 PM
Hey lady, no drinking beer with my baby in your belly! :D
:cheers2:
Mine was root beer :p
sw0o0sh
10-02-2008, 08:47 PM
Love your enemies! :)
Autentique
10-02-2008, 08:54 PM
Oh and John, when are you saying thank you to 3xi for the powerful influence he has been in your life and helping you become a better person? Maybe I should say thank you too :rolleyes:
From now on Im not reading 3xi username as 3 x i, but as 3 times I, it seems to be more suiting :D
Mr.Writer
10-02-2008, 09:45 PM
http://www.toppun.com/Martin-Luther-King/without-love-benevolence-becomes-egotism.gif
Share the Warmth
10-03-2008, 12:27 AM
This happened when I was fifteen or sixteen. None of the people I hang out with these days shoplift.
neodude1212
10-03-2008, 04:29 AM
^ only an idiot would antagonize you for something you have already overcome.
news flash, everyone fucks up, even the magnificient 3xi.
We all have an effect on one another whether or not we are aware of it or accepting of it. Even people who are not at all connected can have an effect on one another and never be consciously aware of this. The more we interact with someone the more of an effect we have on them and the more than effect they have on us. Some people have more than effect on us than others and this depends on many things. I talked about how I must have had a powerful effect on who you are and you see this as some sort of inflated ego like I must think of myself as someone special but maybe I shouldn't have pointed out the obvious without a little bit of an explanation. You have all had an effect on me and I have had an effect on all of you. By the way some of you react to my posts it is very obvious that the effect that I am having on you is what I would call powerful.
I have on many occasions offered thanks to those who regularly visit this forum. I would not be who I am today without interacting with people on this forum and that is something that I cannot deny. If you find that my effect on you is not pleasant maybe you could consider that if you are more accepting of my words your reactions would not be so unpleasant. All I do is use words to communicate to you, you are the one who reacts to these words. When some of you can't seem to find anything good to say about me when you try to insult me or suggest that I am anything but what I truly am, it doesn't bother me because I know it is not true. You're just upset and incapable of accepting someone who knows that they have something to give the world. You have something to give the world as well and it wouldn't hurt you or anyone around you to realize this.
Thank you all for involving yourselves in this discussion. It has been fun and we shall do it again sometime! ;)
You can be accepting of someone that you do not agree with. You do not have to agree with someone in order to be accepting of them. In other words when I disagree with you this does not mean that I do not accept you. To be accepting of someone does not mean that you cannot speak up when you think that they are doing something that is either wrong or hurtful to themselves or others. You can help someone realize how they could be a better person at the same time that you accept who they are (and by better person I don't mean better than everyone else I mean better than their old self).
RELAYER
10-04-2008, 12:00 AM
More common sense spoken as if you've stumbled on a gold mine of profound wisdom. With an additional new abundance of assumptive ignorance. Anyway that was a cute way of backing down out of your ego being brought into the limelight, but, is still an epic failure.
Keep excusing yourself 3xi, your ego is a parasite that has quite a firm grasp on your mind.
So, kick back, have a few slices of extra cheese, and keep adding layers of that personality on :)
Mr.Writer
10-04-2008, 01:22 AM
By the way some of you react to my posts it is very obvious that the effect that I am having on you is what I would call powerful.
Yeah, powerfully annoying :nopity:
sw0o0sh
10-04-2008, 01:52 AM
Yeah, powerfully annoying :nopity:
lmao
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