Is this LEGAL? What do I do?

[toxicgarden]

First off I am 18 and on a strong painkiller through a nose spray for severe migraines and am only prescribed 3 refills every 6 months (30 doses). I am wanting to talk to my DR about possibly upping the refills to maybe 4 every 6 months.



Back in April within a two week period I stupidly took a ton of my moms percocets and darvocets and she found out and staged this "intervention" (even thought it had only been two weeks).



The doc tried to switch me to imitrex but I had an allergic reaction and we ended up going back to the nose spray.



Once again I stupidly refilled all 3 in a short period of time so now I am out..



I went into the doc's 2 weeks ago and while I was changing clothes he accidentaly left my medical chart in the room. I snuck a peak and I noticed that a page said "PATIENTS MOTHER CALLED AND REPORTED SIGNIFICANT NARCOTIC ABUSE, DO NOT PRESCRIBE ANY NARCOTICS FOR THIS PATIENT".



Now my father is a narcotics abuser and still goes to the same doc, and he continues to prescribe to him even though my mom warned them about him.



I am worried about a couple of things, if I talk to my doc about upping to 4 refills might he take the prescription away ENTIRELY in the future?



And how could this affect my future painkillers, that being in my medical chart? Is there anyway to have it removed since I am 18 or am I just screwed?

[ChromeHound]

Is it legal that they dont give you narcs because you jacked some off your mom for rec use? Definately. I think you're fucked. Should think about the shit you do next time.
Is there anyway to have it removed since I am 18 or am I just screwed?
What logic is in that? I think since your 18 it fucked you even more.

Good luck dealing with your LEGIT pain. If you actually need narcs for pain, dont abuse them and get busted.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Just switch doctors.

[roxi*stardust]

You should have jacked the page from your chart; with it in your chart the chance of you getting any type of real pain meds is zilch. The nasal spary you speak of is called Stadol. It is a partial agonist/antagonist much like Suboxone. You may be able to get that scripted since it's only a CIV drug, meaning low abuse potential; nothing like Percocet, Morphine, or OxyContin. Good luck!

[toxicgarden]

I KNOW That I should not have taken them.. Thank you capt. OBVIOUS!!!! It started because I ran out of my migraine med and my mom gave me a few darvocets within a couple days and I just kept taking them because I had hangover headaches FROM the darvos!!!!

My question was IF I CHANGE DOCS DOES IT STAY ON FILE SOMEHOW??? CAN I JUST PULL OUT THE PHYSICAL NOTE AND IT WILL BE "GONE" from my RECORD?

[toxicgarden]

And HOW can another adult CLAIM with NO PROOF that you took their meds, preventing you from EVER getting narcotics?? That seems pretty messed up..

[toxicgarden]

They called in 3 refills back in... The end of June.. for my migraine meds.... so I know they will refill it.. Im just wondering if they will start calling it in for 4 bottles instead of 3 every six months.


You should have jacked the page from your chart; with it in your chart the chance of you getting any type of real pain meds is zilch. The nasal spary you speak of is called Stadol. It is a partial agonist/antagonist much like Suboxone. You may be able to get that scripted since it's only a CIV drug, meaning low abuse potential; nothing like Percocet, Morphine, or OxyContin. Good luck!

[Feelings Of U4ia]

If you change doctors...it depends on the new doctor you go to. Do you currently go to a pain management doctor, or is it just a PCP?

[roxi*stardust]

If you decide to change doctors, request a copy of your records. This way you can review what they say before turning them over to the new doctor. If you just have the old doctor's staff send them to the new doctor, you will never know what they say.

Also if you are going to request an additional refill, my advice would be to make an appointment and ask the doctor face to face. IME, that's the best way to go. If he/she confronts you about your mother calling in, tell him/her the truth. Say you were out of your Stadol (reason you are asking for an additional refill) and you tried a Darvocet of your Mother's and she got upset with you. Don't mention the Percocet at all, just the Darvocet, because it's garbage anyway!

[Feelings Of U4ia]

The reason I asked if it was a PM doc, is because they usually don't need ALL your records to take you on as a patient. The only thing I needed was the last 3 months notes from my previous pain doc...so they wouldn't even know about the other information in there.

[toxicgarden]

It is a primary care physician. See, it partially upsets me because my mom doesnt even need them. She is one of those people who just has them on hand "just in case". If my sister starts complaining about her back my moms answer is, "here is a valium".

For example she had her PERCS refilled for her knee (supposedly) about a month ago and she got into a fight with my sister and me. Later she admitted that she had been taking the percs even though she didnt need them that much and that is why she was mad (she gets MEAN on painkillers). She flushed 60 percs....

Then he refilled more at a later time.
My doc is opiate happy.. Seriously.. then my dad went to a PM specialist and he just got him even more OXY.. I swear.. crazy oklahoma doctors.

When I change docs do I physically take the records over (so I could remove that), or is it perm. going to be in there?

And to the jerk up at the top, the reason I said because I am 18 I meant because I am an adult. My mom is easily angered.. VERY easily angered, and immediatly called in and reported when my dad took a couple of her pills.. I mean.. For example, can a husband call and say I took his painpills and them mark it in my folder to NEVER GIVE ME NARCOTICS? Then it turns out he is just mad for some reason and lied about that for revenge..

That is pretty messed up. There is NO proof of anything.. My mom just called to get more painpills and sure enough with no proof they refilled them. What if she was just a pillpopper looking for more pills?

[roxi*stardust]

I would physically get the records from your PCP and take them to the new doctor myself, this way you can remove that IF it's in there. But in all likelihood if you request copies of your records from your PCP, they will remove than part before you get them anyway. You should be ok as long as you do it this way; that is ask for your records, physically get them yourself and take them to the new doctor. DO NOT let your PCP send them for you because then you will not know what is in them. Just remeber you have the right to a copy of your records, do not tell your PCP where you will be taking them either. That way they can;t send that info behind you back. just tell them you need a copy for a new doctor and if they ask if you want them to send them, say no thanks I'll come and get them.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Be prepared to pay PER page for all of your records.

[MissMorphine]

That's really crappy what your mom did to you.
Roxi made a really good suggestion, to physically take your records to the new doc yourself. If you get a new doc, and that isn't in your records, you'll be fine to get anything you need.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Again guys, you have to understand that doctors charge you for your records, usually PER PAGE.

If you have been seeing this doctor for a decent length of time...you probably at least have 50 pages of charts and notes and other things in your chart. They usually charge $1 per page, so just be prepared for that.

[SashaK]

If you dont mind me asking what migrane thing are you on... Like whats the name.

Im on some blue pills, kinda resembles a pain killer, Well i like them

[Feelings Of U4ia]

If you dont mind me asking what migrane thing are you on... Like whats the name.

Im on some blue pills, kinda resembles a pain killer, Well i like them

You don't know the name of your own medication? How does it "resemble" a painkiller?

[toxicgarden]

Im guessing that is Fioricet... The spray I use is a flat out opiate, fioricet is barbiturate (http://www.hipforums.com/wiki/Barbiturate). I tried that for a little while but it did make me did, but not tired. Problem was that it can interfere with birth control pills so UH UH!! Not for me!




If you dont mind me asking what migrane thing are you on... Like whats the name.

Im on some blue pills, kinda resembles a pain killer, Well i like them

[The Stig]

You're all retarded, they fax records from office to office by request. You don't just get to pick and choose what records you want the doctor to see. See signature...

[Feelings Of U4ia]

You're all retarded, they fax records from office to office by request. You don't just get to pick and choose what records you want the doctor to see. See signature...

You don't get to choose which records you want, but you DO have the option to pick up your records and pay for them. See: your signature

I am in pain management, so yes, I know first hand this is possible. The main reason I ended up doing this is because my old doctors office was slow as fuck and never got shit done, so I finally asked if I could just come pick up my records. They charged me 1$ per page. Again, see: your signature

[MrBDNice]

You don't get to choose which records you want, but you DO have the option to pick up your records and pay for them. See: your signature

I am in pain management, so yes, I know first hand this is possible. The main reason I ended up doing this is because my old doctors office was slow as fuck and never got shit done, so I finally asked if I could just come pick up my records. They charged me 1$ per page. Again, see: your signature

I think he ment your new docters office will call and have them faxed over so they have ALL of your records... dosnt matter if you get your hands on them im sure they keep copies and im sure when it come to narcotic pain killers their not gonna fuck around..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

I think he ment your new docters office will call and have them faxed over so they have ALL of your records... dosnt matter if you get your hands on them im sure they keep copies and im sure when it come to narcotic pain killers their not gonna fuck around..

It is none of your old doctors business where you choose to go after you leave him. You don't have to tell them anything.

[toxicgarden]

Like I said earlier, people can lie. My mom uses the same doc and when she called they called in an extra bottle of percs and darvos... What if she was just looking for more pills and lied???

Also, should I get the opportunity in the office again to be left alone in the room with my folder can I just yank the page out or do they have multiple copies?

I think he ment your new docters office will call and have them faxed over so they have ALL of your records... dosnt matter if you get your hands on them im sure they keep copies and im sure when it come to narcotic pain killers their not gonna fuck around..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Like I said earlier, people can lie. My mom uses the same doc and when she called they called in an extra bottle of percs and darvos... What if she was just looking for more pills and lied???

Also, should I get the opportunity in the office again to be left alone in the room with my folder can I just yank the page out or do they have multiple copies?

Most likely that one in your folder is the only copy they have. There wouldn't be a point for them to have it stashed elsewhere, and they don't have the extra room to keep folders, AND copies of folders for every single patient. Most people aren't left alone with their folder so they don't have to worry about a patient taking things from his own chart, if you are, consider yourself lucky and do what you need to do.

[MrBDNice]

It is none of your old doctors business where you choose to go after you leave him. You don't have to tell them anything.
maybe not but your new doctor is gonna wanna see your past scrips and blazy blah and so when they have a copy of your history faxed over their gonna see do not sript narcotics... you dont get 2 pick and choose what pages they send or recive so better bet yours ass theyll see it. removing it would be your best bet.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

maybe not but your new doctor is gonna wanna see your past scrips and blazy blah and so when they have a copy of your history faxed over their gonna see do not sript narcotics... you dont get 2 pick and choose what pages they send or recive so better bet yours ass theyll see it. removing it would be your best bet.

Again, you can PICK up your past records. They don't fax anything over if you go and physically pick them up yourself. Again, I am in pain management, so I know how it works. As well as my mother.

My new pain management doctor told me they need my pharmacy report, my MRI's, and the last 3 months of notes from my previous doctor. My previous doctor's office was slow, and never got shit done, so I asked if I could pick up my records myself. They agreed, and charged me, per page. The new doctor did not ask for any more information, nor did they get a fax from my old doctor ON TOP of the notes I gave them....

So essentially, yes, you can choose what the new doctor sees.

[The Stig]

Again, you can PICK up your past records. They don't fax anything over if you go and physically pick them up yourself. Again, I am in pain management, so I know how it works. As well as my mother.

My new pain management doctor told me they need my pharmacy report, my MRI's, and the last 3 months of notes from my previous doctor. My previous doctor's office was slow, and never got shit done, so I asked if I could pick up my records myself. They agreed, and charged me, per page. The new doctor did not ask for any more information, nor did they get a fax from my old doctor ON TOP of the notes I gave them....

So essentially, yes, you can choose what the new doctor sees.

Man you are thick as shit... you seem to think you know so why the fuck you ask? Go try it, say I'm here to get my records. Then go the next doc with a big smile on your face thinking "i got the only copy of my medical history and I get to rewrite it myself!" Yeaa, they don't have a database to back that up...

And it IS your new doctor's business and his RIGHT to know your extensive medical past before taking you on as a patient. Son you are acting like a dumb kid this whole thread is like that one kid you know who thinks he knows everything and won't accept the fact he's a clueless fuck. Quit bitchin around and go buy shit on the street like everyone else, all this over gettin some 5's or 10's prescribed man you're a pussy.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

You know what, I had a huge response, but I am not even going to waste my time. I am older then you, so even though it's cool to be ghetto and call people son, quit doing it. I am more experienced than you when it comes to opiates, I am more educated than you when it comes to opiates, and I have been to more doctors than you can count with both hands, due to REAL LEGITIMATE pain. I know how pain management works, I know how doctors work, and I know how FLORIDA works.

Why would the new doctor tell you to bring your past records, or ask your old doctor to FAX the records over, if there was just a simple database they could use to find it themselves? It may be like that in your state, but:

Florida does NOT have a database, that is the one thing you fail to realize. I know the database you are talking about, but Florida does NOT have it, which is why Florida has such a high rate of doctor shopping, overdoses, and shady doctors who over-prescribe medication.

I get more than enough for myself every month, more than any person I know, so I don't need to buy anything off of the street, I get mine legitimately. So you keep buying herion, and I will keep taking my prescribed pain medication. I know much more than you do, and I don't need to prove it, in any way.

Just keep flaming me, because you think I don't know anything, it doesn't bother me. I know what I get, I know what I have been through with doctor's because I have LEGITIMATE pain, and I know opiates/opiods inside and out.

[mephist00]

Florida does NOT have a database, that is the one thing you fail to realize. I know the database you are talking about, but Florida does NOT have it, which is why Florida has such a high rate of doctor shopping, overdoses, and shady doctors who over-prescribe medication.


u4ia knows all
listen to him lol wtf.. i really dont even understand what this kids talkin about, just get a freakin different doctor..

[Feelings Of U4ia]

u4ia knows all
listen to him lol wtf.. i really dont even understand what this kids talkin about, just get a freakin different doctor..

Thank you...I really don't even know what Stig was even trying to say. He must have been nodded out on herion so hard that in the middle of his response he forgot who he was talking to, who knows man. It's obvious he is naive to how pain management doctors work though.

[RoxStar]

Ha, well done U4ia. I actually enjoy reading your posts...Aside from the occasional binge swims pain is legit as well. Swim plays sports and each day, due to back pain, he becomes slower and plays worse. He is also falling behind in both lifting & conditioning. He's been doing some research recently and is trying to take his own pain/problems into his control (rather than relying on his parents... they have got enough responsibilities/problems) and is having some trouble. First, is an orthopedic doctor the man to see? Or do you want to go to a pain management clinic? Spinal specialist? Hospital and get a referral? He was seeing a family doctor who prescribed him 60 perc 5's per month. Obviously, this does nothing for the pain, and before time he was doubling the dose, getting larger the next day, ect. until it ran out. The doctor actuallys says to him, "I can't help you anymore, you going to need to see a specialist". Now, he is looking for a doctor who will actually LISTEN to him and not dismiss his complaints because he's only 22. What should he do? Is there a proper way to go about getting prescribed more powerful/better pain meds? He's had both an X-Ray and MRI, does physical therapy and sees a chiropractor too. Some days, no lie, it's hard to just get out of bed. Can someone give me a few pointers? Proper place/types of specialist to see? What he should/shouldn't say (about my previous medication, conditions)? He's tired of this bullshit "self-treatment" of my real pain and problems.

I'm also cool with a PM if someone wants to give me a shout.

Thanks!
-rox
EXPAND YOUR MIND

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Ha, well done U4ia. I actually enjoy reading your posts...Aside from the occasional binge swims pain is legit as well. Swim plays sports and each day, due to back pain, he becomes slower and plays worse. He is also falling behind in both lifting & conditioning. He's been doing some research recently and is trying to take his own pain/problems into his control (rather than relying on his parents... they have got enough responsibilities/problems) and is having some trouble. First, is an orthopedic doctor the man to see? Or do you want to go to a pain management clinic? Spinal specialist? Hospital and get a referral? He was seeing a family doctor who prescribed him 60 perc 5's per month. Obviously, this does nothing for the pain, and before time he was doubling the dose, getting larger the next day, ect. until it ran out. The doctor actuallys says to him, "I can't help you anymore, you going to need to see a specialist". Now, he is looking for a doctor who will actually LISTEN to him and not dismiss his complaints because he's only 22. What should he do? Is there a proper way to go about getting prescribed more powerful/better pain meds? He's had both an X-Ray and MRI, does physical therapy and sees a chiropractor too. Some days, no lie, it's hard to just get out of bed. Can someone give me a few pointers? Proper place/types of specialist to see? What he should/shouldn't say (about my previous medication, conditions)? He's tired of this bullshit "self-treatment" of my real pain and problems.

I'm also cool with a PM if someone wants to give me a shout.

Thanks!
-rox
EXPAND YOUR MIND

Thanks for the compliment, lol.

First thing I just want to warn you about, is to NEVER use SWIM. It's frowned upon in most communities, because it doesn't protect yourself in any way. If DEA or FEDS are watching and posting on a website, it will take 10 minutes for them to realize that SWIM = You. All it does is piss off other member's. Especially in the post you are using, because your post has nothing to do with ANY illegal activities, you are asking a legitimate question about what you should do with your pain...no need to try and hide yourself from anything.

So just don't use it, it's pointless man.

With that out of the way....


If you have had X-Rays, and MRI's, then you need to see a PAIN MANAGEMENT DOCTOR. You might also need a referral from your current primary care physician, which shouldn't be a problem, because he has already told you that he can't help you any further. That is where pain management comes in.

Pain management is where you go to "manage" your pain, which the primary care physician or other specialist you are seeing, can't, or won't, prescribe anything higher...most PCP's won't.

A specialist isn't going to help anything, and you won't get MUCH more than you are getting now from a specialist...if you do, it won't be an all the time thing.

Ask around, and try and find a good doctor that isn't afraid to prescribe higher end pain meds and give them a call. Explain the situation, and ask them what you need to make an appointment. Here, all I needed was my MRI, my pharmacy report (just go to the pharmacy that you have used in the past for all your scripts, and ask them for a pharmacy report, which is a printout of all the meds you have filled there, what kind of med, how much of the med, the date, and which doctor prescribed them) and, if you have ever been to pain management, they will want some of the previous notes that the last PM doctor had on you.

If you have never been to PM, they will just ask for a referral from your current PCP....so just call the office and explain that you want to switch to PM because you are in pain, and the current regimen you are on is not really helping, so you want to see a pain management doctor. They will either give you something to bring to the PM doc, or they will call/fax the PM doc of your choice and let them know they are referring you to their office. They MIGHT also want some of the notes from your chart, which you can have faxed over, or you can pick up yourself from your PCP for a small charge.

The fact that you have already done physical therapy is a big plus in a PM doctors eyes, it shows that you have done alternatives instead of just strictly relying on medication to help you out, it really speaks highly of you.

When you see the PM doc, explain your pain, how long it has been going on, where the pain is, what type of pain it is, etc. The best advice I can give you is to BE HONEST. Don't try to fool PM docs, they see right through the bullshit. Just be up front, tell them what you have been on, and that it didn't work, and why it didn't work, and that you really would like to try something that will really help the quality of life for you, because pain is really constricting you doing everyday things, including things you love i.e. sports and other activities.

Call a PM doc tomorrow, and find out some information. If you are really looking for stronger meds, just ask around before you choose one...don't just choose one out of the phone book...ask around and see which one may be right for you.

Let us know how it goes...and hit me up on AIM anytime if you wanna talk, my link is right under my name.

Good luck, and I hope you can find something to help you with the pain, I know first-hand how bad pain sucks. Dealing with pain and using medication to help you is a lot different then buying herion off the street and telling others how doctors work, not mentioning any names.

:cheers2:

[patHAOomg]

Stiq, Stick, Stig, whatever the fuck your name is....

did you even really read this thread?

I don't believe you did.

U4IA will eat your fucking soul.

Get a clue. and a life.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

It's alright guys, I already reported 3 of his posts, 2 of them being in this particular thread, for just being an asshole for no reason. At least if you try and call someone out, make sure you know more then them, or at the VERY least, have an idea of what you are saying, because every post you make will get picked apart.

[kil0]

Stiq, Stick, Stig, whatever the fuck your name is....

did you even really read this thread?

I don't believe you did.

U4IA will eat your fucking soul.

Get a clue. and a life.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO omfg!!

but yeah bro, you're completely right u4ia, and Stig, eventhough he is an experienced heroin user, he doesnt have 1% of the knowledge that you have on FLORIDA's medicinal system. I live in florida too, and u4ia is right again, not too long ago there was an illegal Oxycontin ring ran by school bus drivers and doctors that got taken down. They were getting doctors to prescribe oxys by the thousands and selling them on the street, I can get you a link if you want.

But as far as the actual topic is concerned, I dont know much because I get my oxy on the street, not from doctors lol.

[RoxStar]

Alright, fair enough. To be honest using the term SWIM never bothered me, you actually are the first person to comment on it. Regardless I have spent a lot of time on other opiate related boards and have never had a problem...I suppose it's all about personal preference. That being said, I'l curb it around here- still new so I guess you could say I'm learning the ropes. ******

And THANK YOU for your response. I really appreciate you taking the time to let me give me that honest, no bullshit approach. I called my doctor today and got a referral to a pain management clinic *somewhat* near my area. Now I just going to try and set up an appointment. The thing I'm most concerned about it coming off too desperate. I'm so tired of being shoved off and ignored that I've been walking around depressed for a few weeks now because I feel like there's no hope in sight. I'm going to follow your advice and tell him what really is going on. Now *if* he were to purpose something on the lower end (which I know won't effect me), do I speak up? Or should I wait, give it a shot and then report back to him with results? I'm hoping this works for me because recently I've been getting rejected EVERYWHERE I call. For example, soo many places in my area only accept people who have been in an accident and have a lawyer representing his/her injury and related case(so much for HELPING the general public...I guess it's not all about money huh? :P) . Once I get word I'll be sure to post again, but I great response man. Your help is appreciated!

-rox
:cool:

[kil0]

lol I thought I spent a lot of money on opiates, holy shit u4ia is wilding with it.

[RoxStar]

I think he's prescribed kil0, which in that case would obviously be covered by insurance...if not, that would be easily over two grand a month! If I'm wrong however then I'm with you, I thought I was spending wayyy to much haha. Cheers!

-rox

[kil0]

I think he's prescribed kil0, which in that case would obviously be covered by insurance...if not, that would be easily over two grand a month! If I'm wrong however then I'm with you, I thought I was spending wayyy to much haha. Cheers!

-rox

that's just the case Im talking about, and you hit the jackpot dead on.

[The Stig]

I am more experienced than you when it comes to opiates, I am more educated than you when it comes to opiates

:D :cheers2:

Thanks for the laugh, had a bad night this made it a bit brighter.

You may have e-buddies on here but you still sound like a naive 17-year-old trying to score a bottle of 20's, if your pain was so legitimate and you were ever so educated on the ways of pain management then why the fuck are you on a forum for drug abusers? You should go to doctors and be like listen chief... I'm older than you, I know more then you, and my tummy hurts so give me a big script! He'll totally listen.

BTW, pointing out that you're older then me only makes it more sad. Where did you go to college? I'm sure you are much more educated then a grad student with years of experience, shootin off at the mouth about how much more you know about opiates then me is all I need to walk out of this thread knowing you don't know dope about shit, I mean shit about dope, I mean you're a pussy.

[kil0]

Stig man, you are assuming too much. just because this is a forum of drug abusers, it doesnt mean there arent learned users here. and u4ia is one of them. i dont think he is whining, he is talking from experience, meaning he knows what he's talking about.

you're probably more like me, I dont know much about how the system works, I get my stash on the streets. u4ia, who gets his shit from doctors, I would bet he would know more about the system than me, regardless of how much opiates I use or how long I've used.

[toxicgarden]

U4ia, I am not looking to go to a PM doctor. I am 18 and although I get severe migraines that I have even gone to the hospital for, they would laugh at me if I tried to go to PM Dr. I suppose I am at a loss for words because I dont exactly know what to do. The current Dr that I go to has actually had a history of prescribing RIDICULOUS amounts of painpills so I am not sure that I want to give up on him just yet.

[salmon4me]

You're both right. And you're both wrong. Thread closed.