Why Would The Lie?

[BtownBlazer]

About what really hit the pentagon, what do you guys think hit it?

Check out this flash: http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

[DroneLore]

I always thought the Pentagon attack was the fishiest part of 9/11. I don't buy into any conspiracy theories though.

[Eskimo101]

i think that george bush is an asshole

[BtownBlazer]

I don't think of it as a conspiracy theory, if you look at the pictures of the aftermath its common sense that a boing 747 didnt hit it. And George Bush is really behind any of this,hes just a puppet.

[DroneLore]

"When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#) simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

Just throwin' it out there

[st. stephen]

conspiracy theorists are just as full as shit as other politicians or people. just like everybody else they have there talking points and over repeated lines (im looking at any one who uses the word sheep to describe a large group of people who they disagree with). the government would lie for more money and power, but they arent lying because they arent smart enough to pull 9/11 off.

[Vapemaster]

"When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#) simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

Just throwin' it out there


They are trying to say the plane liquified? Sounds like a load of shit to me.

[weedwhacker]

interesting... i'd be interested to hear more arguments from the other side of the spectrum, such as the one drone lore posted

[BtownBlazer]

Im not a conspiracy theorists im just a skeptic, dont planes leave wreckage after they crash? What happened to the plane?

[comfortably_numb9]

so then what hit the pentagon, did gwb bomb his own governemnts building as an excuse to go to war? and is just so happened to be when two planes that were hijacked by terroist collided into the two towers of the world trade centers and a third crashed outside of pittsburgh, is this all just a quinky dink or was he behind all of those two, and also did he shoot kennedy and pay Booth to shoot lincoln and is he the true force behind the brumuda triangle. really common people

[mr.greenxxx]

i think carebears blew up that 1 fifth of the pentagon. im sure they woulda blew up more, but soccer moms started throwing tomatoes and apples and shit at them.

they did it because they cared... now they dont care, so oil prices are fukt up again

[Captain Cannabis]

All I know is that the main guy in the pentagon had his office switched to the other side of the buildning a few days before it all happened. It was all a setup.

It was in some documentary, one of the michael moore ones, and in one called loose change too.

[maxwellthebeagle]

i dont know what to think, i hate thinking about conspiarcies, my brain goes nuts lol. but, this was pretty concrete, and its really interseting... think about the stuff we learn in history books, you think 9/11 conspiracies are gonna be in there? no way. everything could be a coverup... or maybe nothing is a conspiracy and our government is honest, its hard for me to believe but who knows, i'm gonna stop now cause my brain hurts from thinking about all this shit.

[DroneLore]

I can see some future textbooks having a parenthetical note about the conspiracy allegations.

[maxwellthebeagle]

I can see some future textbooks having a parenthetical note about the conspiracy allegations.

nah i doubt it, is there anything about jfk? the govt is against conspiracy, so theyre not gonna throw that in the textbooks

[seizedbyanger]

I can see some future textbooks having a parenthetical note about the conspiracy allegations.


i never believe in conspiracy theories..

like this one episode of mythbusters they proved against conspiracy theorists about the moon landing

go adam savage!

[DroneLore]

nah i doubt it, is there anything about jfk? the govt is against conspiracy, so theyre not gonna throw that in the textbooks

I wish I had my junior year history book on me, I'm pretty sure it at least said, "JFK was surely shot by Lee H. Oswald" which at the very least implies some uncertainty since "surely" is thrown in there for emphasis.

[maxwellthebeagle]

I wish I had my junior year history book on me, I'm pretty sure it at least said, "JFK was surely shot by Lee H. Oswald" which at the very least implies some uncertainty since "surely" is thrown in there for emphasis.

yeah most say that, but its only cause he was killed before his trail, so he was technically innocent

[Astrofabrical]

I can see some future textbooks having a parenthetical note about the conspiracy allegations.

What scares me most is that there wont be any parenthetical note in text books. It scares me to think that even though the official truth seems to be horribly flawed and deceitful, we will never get to find out what really hit the Pentagon. The footage will never be released, and I'm sure that the handful of people who actually saw the footage from nearby buildings have been told that they try to leak what really happened, they'll end up down at good ol' Gitmo for endangering Americas national security.

But luckily, we don't need to worry about any of that because we're in the land of the free!

[jo_k_er_man]

Personally.. its come and gone and i got better things to think/worry about

[squirell tree]

lol u guys are fuckin rediculous... now ur saying george bush is behind 9/11. you extremist left winged bastards are so called trying to make "peace" but you guys hate more then any other party. makes me fuckin sick. but i dont feel like arguing with u guys so dont argue back

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

A BMG-109 hit the pentagon and a AMRAAM shot down that other plan.

Do I have proof? Nah. Thats just what it looks like to me.

[squirell tree]

^lol they have proof that the plane hit the pentagon, so i dont know why this is even a topic.

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

^lol they have proof that the plane hit the pentagon, so i dont know why this is even a topic.


I'd like to see proof other than a choppy confiscated edited video that in my view doesnt even show a plane. I'd also like to see a 747 crash where none of the fuselage is remaining. :rolleyes:

[BtownBlazer]

I actually dont care about the whole 9/11 thing. Ive just been thinking about our government alot more these days.

[squirell tree]

im not trying to come off as an asshole or anything, but if you dont care about 9/11 too much, and ive read many things about it including eye witness reports. then you dont really know what ur talking about when you say the government did it, research a little more and come back to me

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

Lol what a sap.

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

I saw big foot.

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

Lmao, have you watched the "video" did you see any of that on it? Cameras don't lie, people do.

[squirell tree]

^ you really think everyone in the pentagon lied about what they saw to back up bush if he planned it? ha yeah right

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

^ you really think everyone in the pentagon lied about what they saw to back up bush if he planned it? ha yeah right


Ever heard of Area 51? You lie or die.

[squirell tree]

lol ok im done because i gotta go to bed im tired. but if you really believe that george bush, some old guy from texas, president of the united states... for some reason wanted to crash the plane into his own countries pentagon, and into the twin towers for no apparent reason but to kill innocent lives then ok keep thinking, lol.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg
lol president of the united states or master mind of 9/11? lmao ur crazy...

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

Lol, I never said Bushes name until now. But gg. But it's ok your 15 you know everything, I remember what its like. Good night.

[squirell tree]

lol nah i just got all my info from my dad, hes a news nerd... all he does is watch the news and search shit up on the internet then tell me all about it.

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

lol nah i just got all my info from my dad, hes a news nerd... all he does is watch the news and search shit up on the internet then tell me all about it.


I suggest he divert he's attention for many domestic news sources even more so FOX. lol

[broony]

its government, its what they do.

[broony]

squirell your dad being a news junkie and from what i have read that you posted. learn that ring leaders are always bad people. if take anything in for real on the news you need to open a new door.

how do you make money? war.
how do you get them to go to war? kill there own people tell another lie, make them scared to shit so they say "we will do anything" (pay) then the piece is set.

DONT BELIEVE ANY NEWS STATION, even radio. news is news. and they can only go far to tell you the story. its easy to tell our nation has road blocks.

[Hamfoot]

illuminati :0

[stalk]

some sort of missile, without a doubt.
no way in hell it was a plane.

[maxwellthebeagle]

lol nah i just got all my info from my dad, hes a news nerd... all he does is watch the news and search shit up on the internet then tell me all about it.

being 15 was great... my parents were retarded for that portion of my life and i knew everything.... :)

[StonerBill]

lol ok im done because i gotta go to bed im tired. but if you really believe that george bush, some old guy from texas, president of the united states... for some reason wanted to crash the plane into his own countries pentagon, and into the twin towers for no apparent reason but to kill innocent lives then ok keep thinking, lol.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg
lol president of the united states or master mind of 9/11? lmao ur crazy...

hes not the mastermind of anything but that doesnt mean he did not have anything to do with 9-11

also, just because most conspiracy theorists are BS, does not mean that there is no conspiracy going on. if anything, it is perfectly reasonable and likely that the US government is conducting many operations that it publicly would oppose.

[Mother's Love]

its all a scam. punch plane crash into google images, then look for pictures of the flight 93. seems unlikely that a plane crashed there, as there are NO PIECES!

tis a smokescreen, and heart wrenching. jet fuel doesnt burn at the temperatures found under the rubble of WTC 1 and 2. the things that burn that hot, and the compounds found are used in demolitions.(thermite, and thermate) straight cuts on central beams (the buildings were DESIGNED to withstand a plane crash,) the explosions IN THE LOBBY, rather a distance from the impact, the people missing limbs as if from an explosion thet rescue workers saw ON THEIR WAY UP...

the list goes on. plus, the standing orders for the military (in the event of a possible hijacking, to scramble fighters to escort the hijacked plane to a safer point, etc) were CHANGED prior to 9/11, that ONLY the president, vice president, or secratary of defence could give the order to scramble the jets, that cheney didn't scrample the jets until it was over, and that the military was running a war game simulation on that morning, involving hijacked planes flying into those targets. hmm, suspicious. there are recordings of pilots asking if it was real or simulation.
the london attacks were the same. they were running a mock exercise at those tube stations, for a simulktaneous attack. theres too much coincedence. the buss that exploded in london was directed off its route by police and told to stop there. the explosion came from under the bus.

the government lies because they can, and because they get away with it all the time.
watch Zeitgeist, Terror Storm, and Truth Rising. do the research on your own, because you cant believe anything the government tells you.

[edd.excessive]

I would like to correct you about the bus http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41138000/jpg/_41138268_bus_bomb_pa_416.jpg as you can see the bloke was sitting at the back of the top deck. My mothers friend was on the bottom deck at the back and lost her left leg up to her calf most of her left forearm and is paralyzed from the chest down. that shit was very very real. also zoom in on the back of the bus in this pic http://julyseventh.co.uk/images/bus_large.jpg .

[The Reverend]

http://julyseventh.co.uk/images/bus_large.jpg .Fuck, you seen the theatre ad on the side of the bus? Ironic as fuck, not very funny but still...


I can't be arsed to answer all the points in this thread but bear these in mind:


1: All Governments are liars, reasons for wars are fabricated. 99% of the time wars are fought soley for economic purposes.

2. The media lie. The media misinform. The media are purposefully fed misinformation.

3. In the west you are not and have never been at any real threat from terrorism. Fuck, what we had in the 90s in the UK with the IRA was much worse than this alleged Al Qaeda bullshit. And the IRA killed a lot more innocents but, you know, they weren't muslim they were irish so we'll pass on that one. This new threat that we know less about makes it easier to pass laws and gain public support because people are scared of what they don't know about. Throughout history Muslims have started less wars than Christians.

4. Global capitalism is inherently evil and exists to only truly serve a tiny minority. That's why you're always in debt. That's the myth of capitalism; sure, you're not working in a sweatshop or picking tea leaves but you're still enslaved.

5. Don't believe everything you read... anywhere. Especially on the internet.. Left wing, right wing, most of time there's an agenda of some sort behind it. Think for yourself. Question everything. Don't just blindly believe the Zeitgeists and the Loose Changes of this world just as you shouldn't blindly believe the governments and media. The government and mega capitalists need to keep you controlled and preoccupied and docile, be it through religion, drugs (yup, including MJ kids!), tv, the latest phone, advertising, conspiracy theories etc and if you don't like it then through violent coercion, police, prisons, armies and whatever else- otherwise their system fails.

Governments and those behind coverups and conspiracies like to push some of the more far fetched conspiracy theories so people who question the official line end up looking like even bigger kooks. Now how's that for a conspiracy theory?

If you're not pissed off you're not paying attention.

Ooops ranted again...

do the research on your own, because you cant believe anything the government tells you.Can't necessarily believe anything your research resources tell you either... Think for yourself. Quoting Zeitgeist as a source doesn't give your argument much conviction, it has some truth in it but is essentially as much a propaganda film as anything the right has put out.