Could I have died? 1100 MGS.

[Severely stoned]

So, a couple days ago I took 1100 MGS using a modified cold water extraction. According to this site I should be, fucked up.

http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/lsainfo.htm


It says not to dose more than 4 mg of LSA, if each seed contained .01 mg and I took 1100 of them I had ~ 11 mg of LSA in my system.

Can anyone else give me their view on this, did I get lucky?

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EDIT: Ok it's confirmed, dosing up to 1500 seeds is theoretically safe. I don't know if anyone has tried it.

[iamthewalrus22]

Well i remember reading that lsd is ten times as potent as lsa, so if you took 1.1 mg of lsd you most definitely would not have died. However i dont know if the effective dose compared to the lethal dose is the same with lsd and lsa

[Severely stoned]

1.1mg of lsd is a different story than 4mg of lsa. I can't really figure any of this out but i need to know if its dangerous to dose that high or higher again.

[ancient powers]

I think you should try it using the tek and make sure you got all the magic. And I would stay at 800max. 300 was right on for me. I could have stayed that way forever. I found no need to get any higher. But whose to say. my belief is 300-500 is a safe bet on getting out there. 3-5 hits of acid man. But to each is own. use your judgement and get out into nature for a daytime trip. see if that doesnt help get you off. But get out of dodge first.

[ancient powers]

That sites tek is bunk. But it was the first step on my path. And they did have some decent info.

[Severely stoned]

The cold water extraction I modified was your TEK ancient, the only reason I modified it was because I was using 1100 seeds so the consistency and everything was much different than say 200-400 seeds.

Outdoor day tripping is the only way to go :).

[Geneity]

How was the trip!?

I imagine face melting mindfuck goodness.

[Severely stoned]

I have a trip report somewhere on this fourm, ill go bump it for you ;)

[wutthe4k]

ancient powers---you must use something to intensify the trip or have a really low tolerance? i've always considered myself to have a low tolerance and 300 doesnt hit me very hard...i mean i get high...but 700 or 800 is a much nicer trip i think

[pushit]

No, I've done 1000 and I felt great.

[Severely stoned]

I know he smoked weed during his trip and that will make it MUCH more intense. The first time I dosed I took 400 seeds and smoked about a gram over the course of the trip.

On that trip I had more visuals than my 1100 seed trip. But the mental noise was overwhelming.

[Severely stoned]

No, I've done 1000 and I felt great.

Just because you felt good dosn't mean you weren't in danger. I know all about feeling great :cool: :cheers2:.

[Geneity]

^ You can usually tell when you're in danger if you know your body and mind. Even if your lost in psychedelia (unless it's insane overdose dissociation)

[Severely stoned]

That's true, and I felt perfectly fine on 1100 that's why I made this thread asking if I was actually fine or if I was on LSA and didn't really have the ability to realize I was in danger.

[Geneity]

Oh I'm sure you'd notice. LSA isn't that intense compared to some other psychedelics. You'd probably notice vasoconstriction and stuff.

[Severely stoned]

I'm going to assume I was safe but idk about dosing higher.

[ancient powers]

Use more lemon juice for more seeds. Soaking the seeds in the lemon juice is the key.

[wutthe4k]

i always use lemon juice and it works great thanks to you =p

Use more lemon juice for more seeds. Soaking the seeds in the lemon juice is the key.

[Severely stoned]

Ancient is the TEK man that's for sure ;)

[LSDMIKE]

LSA only gets babies high..babies don't have any money

[LSDMIKE]

Nar just joking LSA is kick ass strong

[Severely stoned]

mike i dont really know what you're trying to acomplish by saying that... and I have my own views on the power of LSA, I didn't ask for you to tell me if it's "strong" or not.

[Geneity]

Ergine simply lacks visuals. Otherwise it's a hell of a fun time. At super high doses.

[Severely stoned]

Yep. I like that there's no visuals. It would be cool obviously but it allows the clarity of thought to be so much clearer.

[zombiewolf]

[quote=Severely stoned;4544
Also how many MGS are in a gram? I've heard anywhere from 35 to 136.[/quote]

you have got to be kidding me man...

Please google "Metric weights and measures" before calculating any more doses for yourself. knowledge is power, man. Don't fuck around.

[Severely stoned]

I dont give a shit about weight, i know doses in numbers of seeds. I was just asking because ive heard lots of different things for a gram of seeds. I just count them out anyway.

[Geneity]

I just know an ounce is around 800. Divide it by 28. I might be a couple hundred off though. I do it by seeds too. Poland Spring bottle caps for the winnnn.

[wutthe4k]

I usually get my seeds at gardening stores, the Burpee brand. I've never found a packet with less than 60 seeds in it and they usually range between 60 and 65. Once I found one with a little over 70. On the front of the packet it says it's 1.5 grams. Therefore, for every 1.5 grams you have 60-65 seeds.

[Severely stoned]

I use a homeopathic cap, the ones in the little blue bottle. they work well :).

[zombiewolf]

I dont give a shit about weight, i know doses in numbers of seeds. I was just asking because ive heard lots of different things for a gram of seeds. I just count them out anyway.

Sorry, I thought you were asking how many milligrams is in a gram.
You didn't say "of seeds".
You know it is hard to estimate the potency of any natural product without having it tested or testing it yourself.
I personally have never even gotten a pleasant buzz off any legal herb and believe me, I have tried a lot of so called "legal highs" including your morning glorys and Hawaiian woodrose seeds
My own conclusion is, if it gets you high and it is fun, it is illegal. :(
Let me rephrase that... All the good shit was made illegal a long time ago!

[Geneity]

^ not true.

Ergine is a fantastic trip. Like any 'classic' psychedelic. Kratom is good. But generally if you mix entheogens the effects of the synergy are great.

[Severely stoned]

Sorry, I thought you were asking how many milligrams is in a gram.
You didn't say "of seeds".
You know it is hard to estimate the potency of any natural product without having it tested or testing it yourself.
I personally have never even gotten a pleasant buzz off any legal herb and believe me, I have tried a lot of so called "legal highs" including your morning glorys and Hawaiian woodrose seeds
My own conclusion is, if it gets you high and it is fun, it is illegal. :(
Let me rephrase that... All the good shit was made illegal a long time ago!

I take it you have never done San pedro, any RCs, salvia, spice gold, aminatas, or an apropriate dose of LSA. Keep searching brother :).

[zombiewolf]

I take it you have never done San pedro, any RCs, salvia, spice gold, aminatas, or an apropriate dose of LSA. Keep searching brother :).

Yea, san pedro contains mescaline, illegal. besides you gotta process a lot of san pedro to get a buzz. Amanitas?Which one? do you know? The genus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus) Amanita contains about 600 species (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species) of agarics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agarics) including some of the most toxic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic) known mushrooms found worldwide. This genus is responsible for approximately 95% of the fatalities resulting from mushroom poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushroom_poisoning), with the death cap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_cap) accounting for about 50% on its own. The most potent toxin present in these mushrooms is alpha-amanitin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-amanitin). My buddy got sent to the hospital on those... very toxic could fukin kill ya no thanks. Lysergic acid? waste of time.

[Severely stoned]

"Lysergic acid? waste of time"

I am done speaking to you.

[zombiewolf]

Fine, continue on with your little puppy buzz...just try not to poison yourself along the way.

[Geneity]

Heh just because it's shit for you doesn't mean it's the same way for everyone else. Look at how some people react to hydrocodone. Some get jittery, anxious, and feel shitty, as opposed to the majority who get a nice warm buzz.

Good copy-paste from wiki. They're called Amanita Muscaria.....it's not widely known or anything.

And no one ever said you had to do this stuff anyway. *most* drugs are illegal in the US.

And as for your friend getting sent to the hospital. Maybe he should've done some research. And if he did and still managed to poison himself, then more power.

alpha-amanitin is some nasty shit. Shuts down organs and you just die in a horrible painful manner. Eek.

[zombiewolf]

Heh just because it's shit for you doesn't mean it's the same way for everyone else. Look at how some people react to hydrocodone. Some get jittery, anxious, and feel shitty, as opposed to the majority who get a nice warm buzz.

Good copy-paste from wiki. They're called Amanita Muscaria.....it's not widely known or anything.

And no one ever said you had to do this stuff anyway. *most* drugs are illegal in the US.

And as for your friend getting sent to the hospital. Maybe he should've done some research. And if he did and still managed to poison himself, then more power.

alpha-amanitin is some nasty shit. Shuts down organs and you just die in a horrible painful manner. Eek.

Hey don't dog me for copy-pasta, I'm just to lazy to type it all out( it's an excuse I heard used once:o)

Yea, I know about Amanita Muscaria. They actually grow in my area. It was the first hallucinogenic mushroom I ever read about.
There is a ton of fascinating literature on the stuff. Some researchers believed that it is the ancient "soma" of the Siberian shamans.

Apparently, it's the proper dosage that is not clear. There seems to be no correlation of dose to body weight. A skinny guy like me could eat a bunch with no ill effect, where as a fat guy could eat a tiny bit and get sick.

Yea, my buddy was young and stupid, but back then(1974) if you wanted to research something, you had to rely on the public library. Not something
too many young stoners were into. ( 'cept me).

Still I may try Amanita Muscaria one day...But it is a lot safer to drink the piss of someone who has... hardly any of the psychoactive alkaloids are metabolized by the original tripper. Research that!:cool:

[Geneity]

Yeah I heard of that pee thing.

1974? Damn. I didn't realize, so I take back the comment from before. That must've been pretty tough. Seeing as how all the information you could ever need is at your fingertips nowadays.

Amanita needs to be prepared by heating while drying (just a bit) to convert ibotenic acid (which is poisonous and the cause of bad side effects) into muscimol. Still it's a weird ass drug and very unique. A GABAa agonist. Some people love the trip, and some (actually, a lot) find it odd, disturbing, and unpleasant. I managed to eat 5 or 6 grams of caps when I tried it and got something IDENTICAL to a 300mg DXM dose. But with some stranger things. Like feeling and thinking I was a big rubber band. I'd like to repeat it at a higher dose.

[LSDMIKE]

[quote=zombiewolf;4547649]Fine, continue on with your little puppy buzz...:smilielol5:

This guy is only trying to help you?
You said if 1100 seed would of killd you? NO I DID 60 BIG WOODROSE.
So this guy said how much seeds is in a gram?
So if you have a gram with 100 seeds?
And i have a gram with 50 seeds then i have the same amount of lsa has you do capece?

[Severely stoned]

60 HWBR, how was that mike?

[LSDMIKE]

it was an extract of 80 seeds so more or less it was about 60?
it was not good at all it made me very very very sick.
I found that the best dose for me was with 25>remember this was an extract

[Severely stoned]

I havn't tried HWBRS yet, i doubt I ever will. LSA in the form of MGS is all I need.

[orison319]

No, I've done 1000 and I felt great.really...

empty stomach, Ive eaten way more than that... silly question Severely stoned..............

have to ask what kind of death were you lookng for?.
To me lsa is simular in visual disurbances to the liken of benydryl.
Some warping and fish eyed lensed, but not as dissociative as benydryl.. thats shits nasty. But I can get a visual off Bdryl. at 150mg..
not as gross as 600, 1000 mg..
usual trip last for a few hours and then wears off with slowness.
Mghb trips lasts all day and stays there by muching on more seed..
But no speed effect and drowsy a bit also.

[Severely stoned]

I'm willing to bet the ergot poisoning was fucked up though.

[orison319]

have you ever attempted to make ergot? Cultivate it and make crude extractions?
even cultivate it and eat it as is? No... ????

Why not..... ?

Not much of the panic shit you read in text books, Remember the internet is censored. lol...

get yourself an/a flat open space and a 400w mh.. indoors would be fine..
Use lawn dirt and get Rye seeds... plant and infect...
Figure it out??
How to make ergot culture....
Get rye bread and get moldy..
after mold developes, your rye grass should reach seed height..
make a solution and spray living grass with infected solution.
reapply.. Watch and control enviroment as much as you can to make it wet and damp.. but enough to grow correctly....

Ergot pods should grow collect and save...

Learn................more..

Collect and save....


You have time what are you waiting for?

[Colimon]

When I did an alcohol extraction, I ended up taking about that much in pills. It was great! I'm not sure how good the actual seeds are for you cause they have toxins in them apparently.

[Geneity]

Don't fucking eat Ergot. St. Anthony's Fire is *very* real. Ergot has hallucinogenic alkaloids, yes, but it also has some nasty poisons synthesized by Ergot itself.

The reason it's so dangerous is because they cause *extreme* vasoconstriction, cutting off blood flow to extremities, leading to gangrene. All sorts of other conditions associated with vasoconstriction can also happen.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but eating Ergot is taking a gambol on your life.

[orison319]

think..... read... learn.




build, you cant make lsd without it....


Not to burst you bubble gene. But the posion is over rated, were talking the dark ages and shit thats promoted on anti drug to scare people.. Think gene,
O wouldnt plant or set someone up for failure, Dont eat the shit all day and every meal.. dont overdo it and youll be fine..
Learn some synth and trust your knowldege. Its not hard to make a precursor, and come up with a crude LSD related compound..
Remember today is 2008 not 1400s' many advances in medicine and longevity have been achieved and the human body is much more adaptive now..
It would take much much abuse of ergot to get symptoms.. and serious side efects that could be life threatening...
Seach button on my post I dont post nonsence..
And never posted Ergot related information B4.. seriously nobody has..
Its always synth and silly lsd creation questions...

lsd takes a while to make.. If you were alone doing so it would take you a week if not longer..
Mixing, seperating, and reagent, wait. 24 hours.. you wouldnt sleep if your involved enough in the process.. You must observe and watch every single step.. Even on a crude compound. Take notes and keep taking notes..
you got to experiment somtimes..

keeping it real...internet and highschool test books cant be trusted...
Scare tactics are always a measures taken to prevent advancements to the general public. And keep them as Sheeple.....

Your talking lsd here and your getting it right from the nut... LOl.

Keeping it real...


Oh yeah, on topic.. Collect LSA seeds and stop pissing around with a few 100's seeds..

Youll never reach the high your looking for if you keep listening to internet..
Native Americans didnt have internet... DUh..
Imagine your a Indian. You have no knowledge of substance and you eat and eat and eat much seeds or make a giant drink from said crushed seeds... 20/50... haha even 100 times more potent current extactions..

Then your gona get a real trip report.

[Geneity]

Well still. Ergot has many of the same alkaloids as Morning Glory seeds do. With the added Ergotamine, which isn't recreational. Though I did read a trip report on Bluelight about someone drinking an ergot tea, and they tripped, and had visuals. Must've been strange yet interesting. I wonder what's in there that causes visuals.

I'd still be iffy about eating Ergot. Do you waqnt to go to the hospital (if it happens) and tell them you ate ergot?

Ergotism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism)

Checvk out the two side effect profiles. Gangrenous, and convulsive. Infact, the bad symptoms are caused by the same chemicals that the good ones are: ergoline, ergotamine, and ergocristine among others.

I mean ergotamine is not the same thing as Ergine. Ergine and LSD share vasoconstrictive properties (noticeable more in ergine), but who knows just how powerful of a vasoconstrictor the ergot alkaloids are.

Not to mention dose. Seizures, gangrene and convulsions are pretty life-threatening overdose symptoms. The stuff itself is very strange looking. Like little fat rods that stick out of rye.

EDIT::

I found the fun alkaloids. They're all in Ergot: methylergonovine, methysergide and ergonovine. All 3 have LSD like action at doses from 2-10mg's, depending on the alkaloid. It's wroth noting that methysergide acts on 5HT2C and 5HT1A receptors. An antagonist for both.

[orison319]

true... but Ive done it.. and its a eerie visual.. much like shrooms, takes a while to wear off. Stuff gets very wavvy, colors are more vivid. halos around lamps..
Nothing stimulating though.. and no sick feeling did I ever get but a mild headache.
datura is much more dangerous. as is Jimsom weed..
but if your gona be a psyconaut, sometimes you got to do things on your own..
and yes be careful.. Also those reports are from what?
Do you know that ppl smoke crack and die instantly.. Come on Gene.. your not that dumb.. They say shit thats gona make the books they want to promote and the drugs they create there products, So it cost us money and we are slaves..
I wouldnt tell anyone to go eat this "mushroom" knowing it was poisonous..
Why would I make a logic post on Ergot.. if it had the potential as a Death Cap, no I wouldnt suggest it.. But its not anything like that..
A while ago low levels of Ergot could be found in Kids cereals.. Im takling 1980?
More screening is done and crops are controled much better..
If you look for it in the wild its hard to find. Right conditions and simi cultivation and contamination, infecting it yourself is the only way to get lots of it..
Im not sure the legal side of that though.

[LSDMIKE]

LSA can kill you 2 fuck dont you know that

[orison319]

well no need to be mad,lol. but yes.. LSA. can be toxic and cause a mofo to fall really ill....
But have been cases of Death, but also rare. As rare as jumping out a window on acid. Ppl that are already disturbed fall into this Stat. Not many normal stoners with life loving agendas..
So we dont go around eating things just for whatever reasons..... without the knowledge to back em up..
Id hope this site and other would help young one to understand that.. LSD will be there if you let it be.. Take your time, make a network, learn, go to school for organic chemistry. Become more active in the underground.. Stay out of trouble.
If it took you ten years to make it wouldnt it be worth it? Think..
The ppl I score from were doing the same things years ago.. They learned.
Lsd isnt made any differently than it was 20/40+ years ago.. it still takes time. even for small amounts..

gene, them precursor are very important. got to form your compound its a art, and Im sure its as hard as it always was, time it takes to get even the crude form off a synth..

Ill be completly honest with u. I havent seen it done now since 1990/1.
real lab rats dont post on the internet guys... They are to busy not drawing attention to themselfs... lol.

If they do post the data, its on a private site... They too are member of our hippie society just not this one out in the open..

[wutthe4k]

im so sick of hearing on here that shit like that is rare or unheard of...i jumped out a fucking window when i was having a bad trip okay...it's not rare. end of story.

As rare as jumping out a window on acid.

[orison319]

if your sick of hearing it whay are you here then.....

Do you have anything to add to the original OP.


If you had a bad trip its cause you have shiot going on in your soul that you have been hiding....

Dude Ive been to Iraq 4 motherfucking times.... LOL. I do tons of acid certain time of the year.. Fact I got some Liquid now...
Shit hell I might even dose now. wtf.....

If you were not so negitive you wouldnt have a bad trip.. get rid of that chip on your shoulder and start being positive.. and you will not have to jump out windows cause your running from something in your subconscience..

Dark past you must have...

[orison319]

And I dont have bad trip............. I have bad reality.....

[LSDMIKE]

^ lol im not mad i just like to say fuck

[orison319]

I know you wasnt mad..... lol.



Fuck fuck mother mother fuck fuck, noich noich noich.....