permafried of morning glories?

[billybod1234]

hi, i am not an experienced hallucinogen user, this was my second time evy using them, i used shrooms once before, but didnt trip. any way, i was bored and started goin through erowid as i always do when im bored, i came across morning glory, i was very intrested. i didnt ddo enough research as to know that some containe chemicals to stop pepole from using them to trip, so i went down to the graden store for and bought 500 flying saucers. i did the same thing i did with shrooms, i prepared myself mentally and then chewed them all at once with a glass of orange jucie, i was felling kina sick and anctious, so a smoked a few bowls, once i was pritty high, the mgs started to kick in, and hard too, i sat back with some music and saw aliens and shit, then when i started to come down, i fell asleep. the next morning i was still high, abit from the weed, but mostly from the mgs, i thought, well i had a high dose, this is probobly normal, but it hasnt gone away, been like three days, i am still seeing stuff when i close my eyes, not full images, but dots of color and flashed and things like that, ive alsobeen feeling kinda sick for all this time... does anyone know whats going, im felling kinda worried and getting a bit paranoid, i had to take yesterday off work.... ne 1???

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

its called HPPD and more people have it than you think. Mine is starting to fade, although every time I use psychedelics it becomes more pronounced. Dont think of it as a bad thing, try to see the positive side of it. What youre seeing is your brain functions, and a lot of people have used that ability to improve themselves. Do some research, there are forums devoted entirely to this phenomenon.

[billybod1234]

will it ever go away or will it just fade untill i use another phycedelic.

[billybod1234]

i looked into hppd and i dont think i have that, i dont only have visuals, i have the whole thing, headrushes, i dont feel sober, and i feel like the room is spinning, what else can i do, it seems to be getting worse/

[rygoody]

HPPD is how the eye should see.

[Severely stoned]

you need to calm down, talk yourself down. the more you freak out and convince yourself you are gonna trip for the rest of your life the more it may be true. the mind is a very powerful thing and if you truly belive in somthing it can become true (to you atleast).

forget about it, try to do some normal things and get it off your mind.


EDIT: In my experince with MGS it took me about 2 days to feel more than 50% normal... LSA stays in the system for a while.

[strat]

Personally, I think all this HPPD crap is made up. Why? Because it scares people out of doing things that otherwise do no bodily harm. I mean, shit, I see the little colored dots or whatever pretty good whenever I don't get enough sleep or spend too much time on the computer (or staring at a screen of any sort). I see "blobs" in my vision whenever I looked into a light in an otherwise dark room, and sometimes I can see little blurbs in my vision while staring at the sky if I'm dehydrated or too hot. It's a normal thing, I've experienced this before I took my first puff or trip or anything. I also don't know of anybody who actually has permanent HPPD. I could be wrong, but I just have a hunch that this is all bs.

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

Its not bullshit, I have it. Obviously theres nothing I could do to convince you that Im not lying, but why would I? To the OP, dont panic, it isnt typically permanent. I thought mine would never go away, but it has been really mellow lately. Id say it will take somewhere between six months to a year to fade away, even though it might not seem like its getting any better. It may seem scary, like youre losing your shit, but it can be beneficial if you see it in the right context. there are some interesting posts about it on the forums, Id suggest checking them out and seeing what people who have the disorder think about it. Personally, I feel like it hasnt made me any better, but it certainly hasnt made me any worse. I do have a much better sense of seeing things in the bigger picture now, so thats one benefit.

[strat]

Ok - I was wrong then. I admit it. I just had this odd hunch and looked into it a little more, and trying to puzzle everything together got me thinking, and I couldn't really find enywhere else better to post my thoughts. If you say you have this, then I do believe you.

[rygoody]

The only reason people think there eyesight should look like solid concrete form, devoid of any overlaying energy layers speckling or showing geometry on top is because thats what you learned from photographs and film. Your thinking your eyesight should resemble that of how a camera sees things. Which, hopefully it'd be obvious, your eyeball and system of processing behind it is so radically different than that of a camera that I almost find it absurd to notion your eyesight should see how a camera does. Honestly, I think babies, or young people, before seeing photographs or films and growing there eyesight to resemble it, I think they probably see the world with what would appear to be a very serious case of HPPD. HPPD is the natural, original, state of the eye.

It's not HPPD at all. HPPD is just one more 'disorder' that western psychology invented that does nothing more than make people think increased awareness and perception is a problem. It's a cliche, but it is true, the western institutions do not like people gaining increased perception of reality. They will attempt to convince all increases in brain ability are a disorder to keep you dumber and less peceptive.

With that, most people glom onto HPPD because they think 'oh shit, this is new, from drug, this must be damage' and since it's new they automatically feel uneasy about it and go right along with the notion it's some problem. Really, you do not have to feel worried about having the third eye open a little bit more at all times. In fact, if you just relax and let it do it's thing you will find that your naturally induced euphoria and higher awareness through meditation, yoga, or exercise will increase the supposed HPPD a little bit more, maybe even quite a bit more. Increased awareness, increased feelings of natural euphoria go hand in hand with your pupils naturally dilating a little more and percieving some extra layers to reality. I personally can get back to the point of having very vivid geometric forms, shapes, even faces, entities and 'places' form in my vision just through focused meditation, or even dancing.

If your still worried about it, some exercises you can do. Meditate in a pitch black room, absolutely no light at all, just sit in there for an hour and let HPPD come back as much as possible. Then when you get it back a bit more, draw things, mandalas, symmetrical geometric forms are a great thing to draw for this purpose. It will teach you to get your visual perception of realities extra layers into a more structured and controllable form. So then when you start 'seeing' it will be less chaotic and all over the place, but rather, ordered, patterned and beautiful.

Most people who get the slightest hint of HPPD do not do any exercises like this to realize, the static haze, or random patterning can in fact give way to a deeper more useful layer of sight. Because they get caught up on the belief it is some disorder and wish it to go away. No the static haze or random unknowns in HPPD are not of benefit, but thats only because that is the very tip of the iceberg of what your internal eyesight can produce. You have to hold onto the tip to get the whole.

And if I could finish this point off with a quote from one of my favorite painters, and probably one of the best painters still alive today. "How a musician always hears music, a painter always sees paintings" -Alex Grey :)

In all honesty, I would be trying to 'intensify' HPPD. A highly controlled and highly manifested HPPD is nothing more than you knowing how to control and utilize a new portion of your brain. The portion which produces imagery internally for you to project out externally through whatever means you choose.

And if it's of any condolence, if you dig into the iceberg a bit, and get it under control, you do gain the ability to control your eyesight more. As in, you can close the third eye, open it, even get clearer vision. With that though, you do have to understand, doing this is very diffucult and would require alot of work. The easier way would be to just not pay it any attention, believe it a problem that will go away and it will go away. Your brain only does what you want it to.

P.S the neon dots are only your inner intuitions manifested for you to see.

[moomooman]

hppd? i thought it was called spiritual awakening/reawakening. i didnt know something was wrong with me. crap. nah, but seriously, im with the guy above me for the most part. i would, and have been, embracing the new layers of reality that my counsciousness has forgotten since it came back in human form. its great to realize the things we forgot about before we were human. only i dont think that we project them, i think it goes both ways. they are real externally to us, but since we technically see everything in our head, and since our eyes arnet a perfect reciever of all the things that are possible to be recieved by it, they go into non-existence unless we learn how to remember how to see/be aware of them. they are dependant on each other to remain in existence. know what im saying? i'm trying to explain it how i see it. and babies do see the world different than we do. when they're young the regions in they're brain which distinguish one sense from the other are still all jumbled together and overlapping. ever heard of synesthesia? people are born like that, and over time the senses separate. and i dont think our brain does what we want it too. it does what was supposed to be done by it, like make you think your in control and that your choices are yours, but really we're already a painting thats finished. and for that painting to be complete with all of its details, it needs those parts where somebody had the thoughts they had, and did the things they did. i think i got ahead of myself, i think the universe, and the meaning of anything existing as it does, is so that the original piece of nothing that became aware of itself can experience itself in all the infinite ways possible. because after all, we are all part of the same one thing that is everything. and if we dont break down and individualize ourselves from the other parts of ourselves, then we run the risk of becomeing completely all aware of everthing again. aware of all times and all things at once, which when you think about it means you have nothing to be aware of, and your back to being nothing, although your everything.