Charles Manson

[DrDooblittle]

That bastard gave hippies such a bad name. I hope he dies a painful death and then roasts in the darkest hottest pits of hell. Anyone else feel this way??

[Ginge]

Agreed and agreed.

Did you watch the Charles Manson CBS movie that came on tonight, too?

[luna99]

gah, I wanted to watch it but forgot about it... was it any good?

[Ginge]

Yeah, it was pretty good. Jeremy Davies freaked me out as Manson. The whole thing was eerie, but that's to be expected.

[TerminalMadness]

He hated hippies. His followers were hippies, he was just a great conman and spin doctor. He's a psychotic stupid madman and he will surely burn in hell for his crimes.

[dylanzeppelin]

i watched majority of the movie to say the least, but it just felt eerie as someone has previously has said. those people, the followers, it wasnt like they were brainwashed or rather they were, just was strange the whole overall persona of the movie. the whole theories and secrets behind charles manson is rather interesting and gets alot of people heated on the subject. this was back in the late 60s, do you think people are like that with a follower that we dont even know about it nowadays?

[Fractual_]

i wasnt aware he was associated with hippies.

man hes poppin up all over these forums, tv philosophy random thoughts and now here!

[Sus]

What bothers me about Charles Manson is that he was given life WITH the option for parole. He comes up for parole every so often,and it has always been denied. I heard on the news that he is up for parole again in, I think 2006. I can't believe that parole would actually be granted, but as crazy as things are sometimes, I think it is possible. Yikes...I would never feel safe!


I saw the movie last night, and yes, it was pretty damn eerie...

[maryfairy]

He comes up for parole every few years. They'll never let him out. He's spent most of his life there. What would he do now? No one would want to be around him out of fear.

I saw the movie last night. I think it was better than the original movie of the same name. It let you see what the murders were like and how he was with the family and everything. I just didn't like when they showed "Jerry Rubin". Was he in support of Manson because that's what it sounded like?

I refuse to think of Manson as a hippie. Sure it was a commune, but he even admits he hates hippies. He thinks their pussys. A person who believes in murder and is racist cannot be a hippie in my book.

[Acorn]

i saw most the movie. it was probly the scarest freakest thing i have ever seen in my entire life. he isnt a hippie at all, just a crazy guy who wanted people to do his dirty work. i hope he doesnt give people a bad inpression of hippies. the freakest part would have to be after they killed the 6 or somthing people and were so happy and all that one girl could think of was how her head hurt after that lady she was killing pulled on her hair.

[WaitingForTheSun]

Hell yeah, that guy was CRAZY. I only read a little bit of Helter Skelter and it just made me feel weird just because everything that happened was so sick and disturbing. Did anyone see the movie they made of it on CBS or whatever station? I watched half of it last night and they did a pretty good job.. except Charley reminded me more of Jim Morrison than of Mr. Manson. Eh, maybe that's the way he was, I don't know.

[WaitingForTheSun]

He comes up for parole every few years. They'll never let him out. He's spent most of his life there. What would he do now? No one would want to be around him out of fear.
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Eh, I don't know about that. He was very manipulative and there's a large possibility that he still has a few underground followers out there today. He became a huge icon in the 60's, who's to say people wouldn't still flock to him now?

[nimh]

do you people believe EVERYTHIHNG you see on teevee?

man!!

have you ever seen any of charles manson's interviews? the man is sketchy, but he's got some ideas about things that are pretty interesting.

and he didnt ever actually KILL anyone.

lemmings.

[Alomiakoda]

do you people believe EVERYTHIHNG you see on teevee?

man!!

have you ever seen any of charles manson's interviews? the man is sketchy, but he's got some ideas about things that are pretty interesting.

and he didnt ever actually KILL anyone.

lemmings.Yeah...he just brainwashed a load of people to kill

[maryfairy]

Eh, I don't know about that. He was very manipulative and there's a large possibility that he still has a few underground followers out there today. He became a huge icon in the 60's, who's to say people wouldn't still flock to him now?
well, of course. that's why their keeping him in. he's very persuasive. BUT his life wouldn't amount to anything more in freedom than it will in prison.

[DeadheadHippieForPea]

that dude was crazy..and it is true that he didnt like hippies..he looked the part and manipulated weak minded ppl...they where never hippies..even though they sure as hell looked it and ppl thought they where just a group of hippies...eh its all so wrong...peace and love

[Ginge]

do you people believe EVERYTHIHNG you see on teevee?

man!!

have you ever seen any of charles manson's interviews? the man is sketchy, but he's got some ideas about things that are pretty interesting.

and he didnt ever actually KILL anyone.

lemmings.You're right. I mean, he's only a sick racist pig who brainwashed people into thinking he was Jesus and killing on his behalf. And thought The Beatles wrote "Helter Skelter" to him as a symbol of a race war between blacks and whites, when really it was nothing more than a song written about a damn fairground ride.

Yeah. Silly ol' me for believing everything I see on "teevee". :rolleyes:

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[Becknudefck]

holy fuck i saw part of the movie and i was freaking out. Then i looked up pictures of sharon tate and couldnt help but cry. well almost. Why dont they just give him the death penalty? he deserves it.

[We_All_Shine_On]

that shits fucked up. ugh dont EVER look at the crime scene pics.

[maryfairy]

holy fuck i saw part of the movie and i was freaking out. Then i looked up pictures of sharon tate and couldnt help but cry. well almost. Why dont they just give him the death penalty? he deserves it.i believe (if I remember right) california law prohibits death penalty. it changed right before his case.

[stilanas]

He hated hippies. His followers were hippies, he was just a great conman and spin doctor. He's a psychotic stupid madman and he will surely burn in hell for his crimes.
Agreed. Like trying to categorize Hitler on the left/right scale, categorizng Manson in any category other than psychotic is impossible as he pretty much just told everyone what they wanted to hear.

[TerminalMadness]

Agreed. Like trying to categorize Hitler on the left/right scale, categorizng Manson in any category other than psychotic is impossible as he pretty much just told everyone what they wanted to hear.
Precisely. He was a conman who wanted to be famous; well he got his wish.

[spacecadet]

I've just finished reading four books about Charles Manson, all bought second hand off Amazon.com. He was basically a crook. He spent half his life in prisons before he was let out in the middle of the sixties. Prison is where he got his racism from and where he learned how to be a pimp and control women, from a certain inmate. He also read intensively books about subliminal suggestion while locked up, say prison guards.

His friends were the Straight Satans and other biker groups like the Hell's Angels, he wasn't a hippy. Younger, lost, impressionable teenagers/twenty somethings with a yearning to belong gave him their trust and he took advantage of them.

He used the predominant hippy culture and ideals at the time such as Beatles albums, which were far removed from his own attitudes, to collect and mould his cult. Manson was more the Door's 'The End' than the Beatles 'Helter Skelter' IMO.
And let's make no bones (excuse my french) about it, the manson family was a cult, just as the Branch Davidians and Heaven's Gate were.


Manson IS the bad guy of the story. The family is just another case of kids getting into trouble just by hanging around with the wrong people. My impression after reading about the saga is that Manson was a crooked midget pimp, who used the predominate good-natured culture of the time, blah blah blah, ad infinitum


You can check out The Manson Family Sings the Songs of Charles Manson album on this website (scroll down): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/4359/


I was nearly picked up by a Californian religious 'hippy' cult when I lived in Nottingham who were driving around the world in an old converted coach (and believe you me they had 'daddy', 'mummy', 'little brother' and 'big brother', the whole nine yards).

If you meet such people and you start getting 'religious' vibes, GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE! If you get the feeling someone is 'coming down on you' (and it ain't your dad or SGT. Pepper). GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE! If you feel creepy, IT IS CREEPY! Make your excuses and GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!

Get the hip on cults, check out this ---> http://www.howcultswork.com/

Excerpt from howcultswork.com: "if the leader of Heavens Gate cult was open and honest about the group and had said to new recruits, "Join us, wear strange clothes, get castrated and then drink poison!" he would not have had many takers."

[freakwentflyer]

The Mansons and Hitlers of the world aren't what scare me. It's the large number of people weak enough to follow them and do their bidding.

[TerminalMadness]

The Mansons an Hitlers of the world aren't what scare me. It's the large number of people weak enough to follow them and do their bidding.
Very well put. I couldnt agree more.

[BellaGitana17]

I watched that movie (Helter Skelter) he was a nut! I feel bad for the little kids they drug into the cult they didn't even get a choice!

[AutumnAuburn]

I read the book Helter Skelter, a couple of times and I've seen the movie a few times.

It's amazing what weak minds can be convinced of.

But, not everyone can be a leader and all leader's need follower's. So, there has to be some of both, in this world. Not everyone is capable of going their own way. Some people need (and want) to be led. There's really nothing wrong with that, until it's exploited....

[sugrmag]

i believe (if I remember right) california law prohibits death penalty. it changed right before his case.
Almost. They were given the death penalty, but California outlawed the death penalty after the convictions. Their sentences were reduced to life with poss. of parole. I read that the girls all pretty much turned their lives around in prison.

[BlackVelvet]

Charles Manson is as crazy as they come, i get the creeps just watching him on tv whenever they show him for an interview or something, he doesn't deserve to get out..and what he did was way fucked up!

[Gem]

That bastard gave hippies such a bad name. I hope he dies a painful death and then roasts in the darkest hottest pits of hell. Anyone else feel this way??
Yes, I also feel that way about Jim Jones... assholes. But I don't believe in hell.

[canyondog]

do you people believe EVERYTHIHNG you see on teevee?

man!!

have you ever seen any of charles manson's interviews? the man is sketchy, but he's got some ideas about things that are pretty interesting.

and he didnt ever actually KILL anyone.

lemmings.
Ya, I read some of what he had to say for himself. It's posted on various websites. He sounded quite reasonable, basically admitting, "yeah, I was a small time ex-con con-artist crook runnin' my little games, but you know, those kids believed what I said and I came to love them." I bought into what he said, almost. He was putting it like the kids were out of control behaving childishly and he couldn't keep up with cleaning up the messes they kept making, ripping people off on dope deals and stuff. He said that Susan Atkins and Tex Watkins were real bad apples. Things really went downhill when they showed up. Yeah, they were the bad ones. Yeah, that's it! It was their fault. He almost had me, but what I noticed was that he took a little responsibility for everything that went wrong, thus buying credibility, but the main part of it was always someone else's fault. His fault was always an error in judgement that he made, you know, like loving too much, but never something truly evil.

Main thing I noticed was that at least in these interviews he spoke perfectly sanely.

[stilanas]

That bastard gave hippies such a bad name. I hope he dies a painful death and then roasts in the darkest hottest pits of hell. Anyone else feel this way??
On the other hand the tapes of his parole hearings are comedy gold.

[TerminalMadness]

do you people believe EVERYTHIHNG you see on teevee?

man!!

have you ever seen any of charles manson's interviews? the man is sketchy, but he's got some ideas about things that are pretty interesting.

and he didnt ever actually KILL anyone.

lemmings.
A follower I suspect. Creepy you are.

He had interesting ideas, but you can't deny he was a nutjob. He isn't scary anymore; now he'd old and is just a plain joke. I saw an interview with him recently on TV (yes I watch TV, nimh, I'm a lemming, whatever), and he wasn't scary, he was very comical.

He never actually killed anyone, but he did con people into killing, and that's murder enough.

[user__friendly]

I watched "Helter Skelter" on CBS whenever it was on not long ago.
Charles Manson was a complete lunatic, and so were all of his followers.

In the movie, he proclaimed that he wasn't a "hippy" and that he hated them. Is that how he felt/feels in real life? He very much seemed to be one, and he definitely puts them to shame..

As you said though, his thoughts were definitely interesting. He was kind of funny, too. And despite the fact that he didn't kill anyone, as you said he conned the others into doing so and that was just as bad. He just didn't want to get his hands dirty.

[tinkerbella208]

Yeah i watched it too.. it was a good movie but its sad that things like that actually go on in the Real World... they should make a reality tv show on something to do with serial killers or something, like the "Next Survivor" and see who can stay alive the longest ha now that would be a reality show

[TerminalMadness]

Yeah i watched it too.. it was a good movie but its sad that things like that actually go on in the Real World... they should make a reality tv show on something to do with serial killers or something, like the "Next Survivor" and see who can stay alive the longest ha now that would be a reality show
No! (covers tinkerbella's mouth and looks around in fright) No (whispers) last thing we need is another reality show. A TV exec may have read your post. Shh! :eek:

[tinkerbella208]

No! (covers tinkerbella's mouth and looks around in fright) No (whispers) last thing we need is another reality show. A TV exec may have read your post. Shh! :eek:



LOL DONT WORRY IM JUST MESSIN!!! :-D

[TerminalMadness]

LOL DONT WORRY IM JUST MESSIN!!! :-D
I know but... still, I'm scared Tinkerbella, I think I...you hear that? It's another reality show being made! Run for the hill! Aaaaah! (Runs off thread)

[nimh]

A follower I suspect. Creepy you are.

He had interesting ideas, but you can't deny he was a nutjob. He isn't scary anymore; now he'd old and is just a plain joke. I saw an interview with him recently on TV (yes I watch TV, nimh, I'm a lemming, whatever), and he wasn't scary, he was very comical.

He never actually killed anyone, but he did con people into killing, and that's murder enough.
i dont think anyone would ever call *me* a follower. LOL i question just about everything and am ever cynical and jaded.

i didnt watch the cbs special. if i'm going to watch something about manson, i'd rather watch one of his interviews, not some made for tv pap. the guy was a freakshow.

[TerminalMadness]

i dont think anyone would ever call *me* a follower. LOL i question just about everything and am ever cynical and jaded.

i didnt watch the cbs special. if i'm going to watch something about manson, i'd rather watch one of his interviews, not some made for tv pap. the guy was a freakshow.
I agree. Good point.

I thought you were a supporter of his or something lol.

[moon_flower]

Stereo-typical.

You know about Charles Manson, what the media wants you to know about Charles Manson.
He was a very intelligent, passionate man who needs to be given respect where it is due.
What was horrible about him? He wasn't a killer, or do you just hate him because he was able to get people to believe the way he does, feel the way he feels, and listen to his every command? He did what America tries to do now, only he succeeded, America hasn't. He was just starting a revolution, so to speak. Isn't that what you hippies are all about? Getting something done?
Ah that's right...you hate the ones who actually get off their asses and do something.

[K-Town Smackdown]

He deserves the chair. How can you say he was nice? When he murdered a woman who was pregnant with a baby. This bastard should get the chair, plain and simple. By the way there making a movie that features him in it. It's really stupid like the apocolypse has come and people start worshiping Charles Manson. SOmething stupid like that.

[moon_flower]

He deserves the chair. How can you say he was nice? When he murdered a woman who was pregnant with a baby. This bastard should get the chair, plain and simple. By the way there making a movie that features him in it. It's really stupid like the apocolypse has come and people start worshiping Charles Manson. SOmething stupid like that.
I didn't say he was nice. He didn't murder Sharon Tate, his followers did. He should get the chair?? For what, may i ask? Getting people to do the dirty work for him? I think not.
You come off with a lot of this apocolypse thing, man. Find something else to talk about...seriously.

[K-Town Smackdown]

Oh then if he didn't do jack shit about the murders, then why the fuck was he arrested? Hmm.....maybe cause he had something to fucking do with it! He convinced his followers to kill a pregnant woman! He too took part in it. Agree with it if you want but that is what the police say, and they are right, in this case. You know what fuck you, fuck you in the asshole with a big rubber dick, then break it off and beat you with the rest of it. By the way the apocolypse thing in my last post...I was talking about a fucking movie. Your a fucker, Charles Manson deserves the chair, and I know there are more people in the world that agree with me that he does.

[moon_flower]

Oh then if he didn't do jack shit about the murders, then why the fuck was he arrested? Hmm.....maybe cause he had something to fucking do with it! He convinced his followers to kill a pregnant woman! He too took part in it. Agree with it if you want but that is what the police say, and they are right, in this case. You know what fuck you, fuck you in the asshole with a big rubber dick, then break it off and beat you with the rest of it. By the way the apocolypse thing in my last post...I was talking about a fucking movie. Your a fucker, Charles Manson deserves the chair, and I know there are more people in the world that agree with me that he does.
Way to take an adult approach to this, what was supposed to be, a civilized argument. Why are you harping on Tate? Only because she was pregnant? Have you even researched the Manson Family? Is the Sharon Tate murder the only one you know about?
So, because the police tell you something, you believe it? You're a sad, strange little man.
It's almost pathetic, your approach to making yourself seem superior, trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.
He didn't get arrested for murder.
Since it's obvious you have NO clue what you're talking about, why dont you research the Manson Family a bit, and THEN come argue me about it.

[K-Town Smackdown]

You are the one talking about respecting a murderer, I have taken your word and have done some research and here is what I found. Now, apparently Charles Manson thought it he was in a sense God. Should you still respect a blasphamess(sp?) man? He thought the Beatles song "Helter Skelter" and "Piggies" told him to kill others. Still deserves respect? He hanged a man(LaBianca murder case) and wrote "WAR" in his flesh. No respect? He had a theory that there would be a race war. The lyrics fit Charlie’s theory to a tee: "Look out helter skelter helter skelter helter skelter/She’s coming down fast/ Yes she is/Yes she is." Now, the racial Armageddon had a name. It was Helter Skelter. He told his followers that there world would be "There would be no one else, except for us and the black servants. He, Charles Willis Manson, the fifth angel, Jesus Christ, would then rule the world. The other four angels were the Beatles." Would you still respect this serial killer? His only verdict in the Manson case was Helter Skelter, and when the jury heard this they already knew they had a verdict. Charles Manson would've recieved the death penalty but in 1972 California abolished the death penalty, so Manson only had to serve a life sentence, which he is still doing so today.
From doing my research, I have concluded that this man is in fact a head case and should stay locked behind bars forever. If you really feel he still deserves respect then that is your own opinion. I have done my research and my opinion still stands. He gave hippies a bad name, they were such peaceful people and he made them look like murderers. If you feel he truely needs respect you may feel that way, I however do not.

[DarkLunacy]

The reason Chuck doesnt get out on parole is because they ask him everytime (I hear) "Do you regret killing the people you murdered" and supposidlly he says everytime (I hear) "I regret that I didn't kill enough."

[DarkLunacy]

I didn't say he was nice. He didn't murder Sharon Tate, his followers did. He should get the chair?? For what, may i ask? Getting people to do the dirty work for him? I think not.
You come off with a lot of this apocolypse thing, man. Find something else to talk about...seriously.Ok lets do this. Say a mob boss for some reason decides to kill your entire bloodline, everyone you love (assuming such an entity exists) and has he wiseguys kill them. You just want the wiseguys to go to prison or where the command came from?

[moon_flower]

You are the one talking about respecting a murderer, I have taken your word and have done some research and here is what I found. Now, apparently Charles Manson thought it he was in a sense God. Should you still respect a blasphamess(sp?) man? He thought the Beatles song "Helter Skelter" and "Piggies" told him to kill others.No...he thought Helter Skelter spoke of a race war where the *blackie* would rise and Charlie would be the omni-precense.
In his Family, he was both Satan and God. That is what his followers saw him as. They were garbage people...he took them in, and gave them a family.

Still deserves respect? He hanged a man(LaBianca murder case) and wrote "WAR" in his flesh.Yes, he still deserves respect. He didn't hang a man, infact...Patricia Krenwinkel was the one who butchered...not hung, Leno. And SHE carved WAR into his stomach.

No respect? He had a theory that there would be a race war. The lyrics fit Charlie’s theory to a tee: "Look out helter skelter helter skelter helter skelter/She’s coming down fast/ Yes she is/Yes she is." Now, the racial Armageddon had a name. It was Helter Skelter. He told his followers that there world would be "There would be no one else, except for us and the black servants.You just said that Helter Skelter told him to kill others...how would it be a race war if HE is the only one killing??
P.S....Helter Skelter is the war of no other. Where a man would judge himself and take it out on someone else.

He, Charles Willis Manson, the fifth angel, Jesus Christ, would then rule the world. The other four angels were the Beatles." Would you still respect this serial killer?He didn't even enjoy the Beatles song. He only enjoyed/related to the message.



His only verdict in the Manson case was Helter Skelter, and when the jury heard this they already knew they had a verdict. Charles Manson would've recieved the death penalty but in 1972 California abolished the death penalty, so Manson only had to serve a life sentence, which he is still doing so today.Manson didn't receive the death penalty. His Family did. He just got life with possiblity of parole.



From doing my research, I have concluded that this man is in fact a head case and should stay locked behind bars forever. If you really feel he still deserves respect then that is your own opinion. I have done my research and my opinion still stands. He gave hippies a bad name, they were such peaceful people and he made them look like murderers. If you feel he truely needs respect you may feel that way, I however do not.I still give him my highest respects.

[moon_flower]

Ok lets do this. Say a mob boss for some reason decides to kill your entire bloodline, everyone you love (assuming such an entity exists) and has he wiseguys kill them. You just want the wiseguys to go to prison or where the command came from?
It wouldn't bother me.
They can go back to where the command came from...they've killed the ones i love, what more could they do??

[BlackVelvet]

ok, moonflower, what in the hell, if he didn't give the damn order..or asked his "followers" to kill none of these people would have been killed, or killed the way they were, why are you defending him? He doesn't need to be defended, he's evil pure and simple,..Have you ever watched an interview with him? He is a dumbfuck! So don't tell us to give him respect..he doesn't deserve shit, he thinks he is Jesus Christ, he had followers, who believed his every word.. and i can't believe someone would have the audacity to tell us on this forum to "respect" a dumbass fuckhead like that..sorry but this pisses me off...it's not what we seen by what the media it's what he presented himself..so fuck him and fuck his respect!

[K-Town Smackdown]

Moon flower you are one sorry piece of shit. I truely feel sorry for you and your beliefs. I hope that one day you may find the way.

[DarkLunacy]

Dude... Your either a cold hearted bastard or full of shit..... I'm posing it as a question take your pic :D

[TerminalMadness]

Stereo-typical.

You know about Charles Manson, what the media wants you to know about Charles Manson.
He was a very intelligent, passionate man who needs to be given respect where it is due.
What was horrible about him? He wasn't a killer, or do you just hate him because he was able to get people to believe the way he does, feel the way he feels, and listen to his every command? He did what America tries to do now, only he succeeded, America hasn't. He was just starting a revolution, so to speak. Isn't that what you hippies are all about? Getting something done?
Ah that's right...you hate the ones who actually get off their asses and do something.
I love this board, but I'm getting pretty sick and tired of people calling other people here followers and sheep and lemmings and thinking they dont have a mind of their own.

I won't dignify your response with an intelligent reply, I'll only say what everyone else says: Fuck you.

[moon_flower]

To BlackVelvet:
I'm defending his not being a murderer. And, yes, I have listened to and read many of his interviews. He's not a "dumbfuck", he's quite intelligent. I never told YOU to respect him, just give credit where credit is due. And I thouroughly enjoy your saying how big of a "dumbfuck" charlie is, when you can't think of a better argument than "he doesn't deserve shit, he thinks he's Jesus Christ, he had followers, who believed his every word..and i can't believe someone would have the audacity to tell us on a forum to "respect" a dumbass fuckhead like that..sorry but this pisses me off...it's not what we seen by what the media it's what he presented himself..so fuck him and fuck his respect!" yowza....greatly worded there, bud!
To K-Town Smackdown:
You shouldn't feel sorry for me OR my beliefs. They stand true through the criticism. I've found "the way". I don't apologize for it not being the "fuck him and fuck his respect" way.
To DarkLunacy:
I'll take cold-hearted bastard for $1000, please.
To TerminalMadness:
I never expected an intelligent response from ANYONE here.
P.S....Where were *sheep* and *lemmings* ever mentioned in this thread? You complain about noone being able to have a mind of their own, yet you so intelligently said "fuck you" to my opinion?? Someone contradicting themselves, eh??..........

[TerminalMadness]

That was the point you pompous moron, it's called ironny. Ever hear of it?

Besides, I don't buy into your praising Manson; I think it's all a front to make you different from everyone else or just a ruse to ruffle people's feathers here. No sane person would admire and follow Manson.

[moon_flower]

A nice witty comeback.

Too bad that wasn't irony.

[TerminalMadness]

Listen, youngster, you win. Congratulations you just won the argument; pat yourself on the back! Now you can hold your head up and gloat. Happy now? I give up trying to argue because there's no winning when I'm arguing with ignorance.

You don't have an original thought in your head, idiot.

[moon_flower]

Listen, youngster, you win. Congratulations you just won the argument; pat yourself on the back! Now you can hold your head up and gloat. Happy now? I give up trying to argue because there's no winning when I'm arguing with ignorance.

You don't have an original thought in your head, idiot.
I don't need to gloat.
Arguing with ignorance....Well aren't we the pot calling the kettle black?

Well, Mr. Originality, all the thoughts in my head are original...you, on the other hand, have done nothing but state EXACTLY what everyone else in this thread has stated.

[TerminalMadness]

I don't need to gloat.
Arguing with ignorance....Well aren't we the pot calling the kettle black?

Well, Mr. Originality, all the thoughts in my head are original...you, on the other hand, have done nothing but state EXACTLY what everyone else in this thread has stated.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.... what? Oh are you still talking?

[moon_flower]

Thank you for proving my point, I knew you'd come around.

[BlackVelvet]

Moon person whatever yer name is..lol ok..look i don't have to argue something that everyone except maybe a handful of people who can't seem to grip in their lil pea sized brains that he is a dumbfuck..will always be a dumbfuck, and seems to me you are the only one defending the DUMBFUCK! YES I SAID DUMBFUCK..hmm intelligence..let's grasp this, if intelligence means, brainwashing people to believe the moron, that he is jesus, and KILL cause he said..then i'd rather be a non-intelligent person with compassion and feelings..i don't have to defend how i feel because you seem to be the ONLY one on defending him, for what i have no clue, but to even consider defending someone such as him..what can i say..i hope you can live with what he has done..since you apparently think he is worth defending..to me he is a dumbfuck..someone without compassion for human life, is a dumbfuck, and I think you are a little bit out there, by saying what you said about, "if he killed your family", so with that, I think you needta do some serious thinking about your life, and if you even care about life, cause that's just warped!

[BlackVelvet]

Thank you for proving my point, I knew you'd come around. By the way, I think..no I know THEY were being sarcastic!

[BlackVelvet]

That was the point you pompous moron, it's called ironny. Ever hear of it?

Besides, I don't buy into your praising Manson; I think it's all a front to make you different from everyone else or just a ruse to ruffle people's feathers here. No sane person would admire and follow Manson. well said..I couldn't agree more!

[maryfairy]

can't everyone just get along? he's behind bars, he's going to die soon anyways, lets just let it be.

[moon_flower]

I've thought plenty about my life. I still stand beside the *it wouldn't bother me*....thanks for worrying about it, though. :D

And, whether you want to believe it or not, I really do find Charles Manson, or any serial killer for that matter, interesting. I defend most of them. (The intelligent ones, mind you). So, stay on your high horses and THINK that you *know I can't be into Manson, it's just a front*, but stay wrong. :D

[moon_flower]

Moon person whatever yer name is..lol ok..look i don't have to argue something that everyone except maybe a handful of people who can't seem to grip in their lil pea sized brains that he is a dumbfuck..will always be a dumbfuck, and seems to me you are the only one defending the DUMBFUCK! YES I SAID DUMBFUCK..hmm intelligence..let's grasp this, if intelligence means, brainwashing people to believe the moron, that he is jesus, and KILL cause he said..then i'd rather be a non-intelligent person with compassion and feelings

Who said intelligence was brainwashing?? Someone not comprehending.....??

..i don't have to defend how i feel because you seem to be the ONLY one on defending him,

It's not that you DON'T have to defend him, but you CAN'T....all you have proven to know about Charlie is he's a brainwashing man that most of the world hates.

for what i have no clue,

Have you NOT read anything I've posted? I defend him for his intelligence. ;)

but to even consider defending someone such as him..what can i say..i hope you can live with what he has done..since you apparently think he is worth defending

Why would I have to live with what he's done?? Because I defend him?

..to me he is a dumbfuck..someone without compassion for human life, is a dumbfuck, and I think you are a little bit out there, by saying what you said about, "if he killed your family", so with that, I think you needta do some serious thinking about your life, and if you even care about life, cause that's just warped!
Yes, we know this is YOUR opinion, deary. So, NEXT time I decide to post MY opinion, don't tel me I'm wrong, just because it's not the same as YOUR opinion.

[K-Town Smackdown]

Have you NOT read anything I've posted? I defend him for his intelligence. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
Haha, by the looks of that smile thing I would say shes being sarcastic!:p

[moon_flower]

It was winking....not smiling.

And I wasn't sarcastic.

[Ginge]

I don't respect racists, regardless of whether they're well-spoken, intelligent, or what have you. But hey, like it was said before, he's in prison and will die soon anyway. And the earth keeps turning...

[BlackVelvet]

[QUOTE=moon_flower][/b][/color]

Who said intelligence was brainwashing?? Someone not comprehending.....??

i was reading everything you said, and you were saying he was intelligent, i dont see how some idiot who can kill, or have people KILL for him, be racist and have people following him, even saying they had sex with Jesus..as intelligent that is what i am saying!

It's not that you DON'T have to defend him, but you CAN'T....all you have proven to know about Charlie is he's a brainwashing man that most of the world hates.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonaccount.html
ok for one, i don't want to defend him! he's a dumbfuck, this is just ONE of many sites about his dumbass..there are too many things i can say about him, but i think you need to read them cause apparently you don't know what the hell is going on!

Have you NOT read anything I've posted? I defend him for his intelligence. ;)

LOL your a joke.

Why would I have to live with what he's done?? Because I defend him?

You defending him, just makes me feel like you condone his actions..enough said.

Yes, we know this is YOUR opinion, deary. So, NEXT time I decide to post MY opinion, don't tel me I'm wrong, just because it's not the same as YOUR opinion.

YES IT IS *MY* OPINION! but not just mine alone, many others as well. I never said you were WRONG..did you see me saying you're wrong?? NOPE..I was stating, that I don't see how you can possibly defend someone like HIM..now end of story, keep defending him and go on with your life as i will go on with mine. as someone said..he will die soon..so be it..Just think about something for a minute, what if you were married, 8 months pregnant, and someone came and stabbed you repeatedly? Killing you and your unborn child? Would you be so apt to say..oh lets defend the fucker who told someone to go kill me...or if you are a guy, i seriously have no clue what you are..what if someone just randomly stabbed you repeatedly after you were begging them not to kill you, that you wanted to live? anyway that's my say..just wanted to give you something to think about..~Peace~

[moon_flower]

YES IT IS *MY* OPINION! but not just mine alone, many others as well. I never said you were WRONG..did you see me saying you're wrong?? NOPE..I was stating, that I don't see how you can possibly defend someone like HIM..now end of story, keep defending him and go on with your life as i will go on with mine. as someone said..he will die soon..so be it..Just think about something for a minute, what if you were married, 8 months pregnant, and someone came and stabbed you repeatedly? Killing you and your unborn child? Would you be so apt to say..oh lets defend the fucker who told someone to go kill me...or if you are a guy, i seriously have no clue what you are..what if someone just randomly stabbed you repeatedly after you were begging them not to kill you, that you wanted to live? anyway that's my say..just wanted to give you something to think about..~Peace~
You said let it go in the second sentence, why do you go on to give me a big speech??
And if I were 8 months pregnant, and was stabbed to death, I wouldn't be apt to say anything, from what I understand, you don't say much when you're dead.
And, you gave me nothing to think about.

http://www.charliemanson.com/documents/testimony-manson-2.htm

Read that^^^^^^^^

[BlackVelvet]

my last entry on this subject..i said i was going to leave it alone, and i ended it with something that you would possibly think about...as for the web page you posted..that web page, with him, makes him seem all calm rather than the countless interviews he has conducted, and he was very angry sounding among other things in the interviews..sorry but it's bullshit on his part..anyway i'm out..and as i said the last time..~Peace~

[moon_flower]

I'm sure you'll be back for more....

[scratcho]

hmmmmm--lets see---a guy that spends half of his life in jail,,juvy or prison-----hmmmmm---yes --I guess that's pretty intelligent---yeah--yeah--ok I get it---and-- uhh-yeah---believes he could start a nationwide revolution---by a band of lost kids stoned to the gills------yeah--uh huh---ok--very intelligent--good --now we're gettin' somewhere---entices the kids to steal--rip people off ----give up their families and friends---ok--thats top rung---now what was that other one----oh wait--right-right--believes it's proper to end peoples lives--or to induce lost children to stab,shoot and take away others chances of --well--anything basically--for eternity.Shoot at elected officials-----jeeez,Moonflower----I see where you're coming from now--I'm ashamed I've been so blind lo these many years.-----I wonder where Mr Manson is now---Oh wait--I remember---he's 20 miles south of me in Corcoran State Prison---I wonder if they allow visitors?It may be worthwhile to go see this monument to intelligence---he might have some great plans for me and maybe a few of my friends---------------------------------thanks buddy-----scratcho--------------

[moon_flower]

AGAIN...another person who DIDN'T understand a word I said.

I said he was intelligent in the way he thought, not the way he acted.





Your post gave me a headache, you should consider not putting so many dash marks in next time.

[scratcho]

name or explain some things he thought and would be considered intelligent.(----------ow---------------ouch----------damn it---------)sorry-----------------------------------------------scratcho-------------------

[moon_flower]

Wha??


Just read any speeches or interviews given by Charlie....He's intelligent.

You don't have to think so, I do.

[Floyder]

Yeah he did seem like a fairly intelligent person. But even intelligent people do stupid things. What I wonder is how much of the stuff he said he actually took seriously. Sometimes it seemed he was just spouting shit off just for the heck of it.

[moon_flower]

He believed all of it. You should read some stuff he wrote/said, compelling stuff

[sugrmag]

AGAIN...another person who DIDN'T understand a word I said.

I said he was intelligent in the way he thought, not the way he acted.





Your post gave me a headache, you should consider not putting so many dash marks in next time.
Have you ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words?"
Just because he has/had good ideas, does not mean that he is to be admired. I have his album "Lie". I think his songs were great. Do I admire the man? No. Do I have respect for him? Nope. He is a racist and a misogynist and a murderer.

[moon_flower]

You don't have to respect or admire the man. I do.

I have heard that saying, do I believe it? NO.

[scratcho]

I'm waiting----and by the way do you believe in emulating those you admire?

[inbloom]

just because somebody does something bad, doesn't mean they're not intelligent.

look at hitler. intelligent man, but a fucking racist. and don't try to say he wasn't intelligent either, because no moron would be able to brainwash people the way he did, and gain the kind of power he had. he obtained it through very clever techniques which he'd been planning for years. that doesn't make it right, though.

i know this is nothing to do with hitler, but there's a comparison there. both of these men did horrible things, but that doesn't make them stupid.

sometimes the most intelligent and creative people, can be crazy.

[darsunt]

I always liked the hippies for being different fron the mainstream, and for their nonviolent message. I always thought of them as being creative, if eccentric people. I felt the hippie lifestyle to be esthetically pleasing, although materially lacking. I felt hippies overall were as decent as anyone else.

So it surprised me when I found out that during the sensational Manson trial Manson was used as a symbol for ALL hippies. I never thought of hippies like that. But the author Hunter Thompson opened my eyes to how many people in the mainstream thought of hippies...'as wild eyed animals, with semen encrusted pants soaked from constant masturbation, always on the lookout to rape or murder decent folk.'

I suppose any mainstream society needs to feel it is perfect, and that anyone who would reject their values, there must be something wrong or even wicked about that person. I guess it is difficult for respectable society to believe anyone good or decent could reject their ways. But to stigmatize all hippies with Manson...just because they thought mainstream wasn't perfect...has got to be one of the dirtiest political tricks in history. Makes you wonder what the 'respectable' in respectable society really means.

[cortneycoxsucker]

fuck sake hitler was a smart man aswell,do we respect him.........do we fuck :mad:

[DarkLunacy]

fuck sake hitler was a smart man aswell,do we respect him.........do we fuck :mad: Yes. I respect him. He rallied a whole nation to arms to follow a cause. No one has ever united so many people in all of history. Do I like Hitler? No. I fucking detest him. But thats different then respect. Do I respect Manson? No. He rallied a handful of kids who were heavilly under the influence of drugs. What did he acomplish? What kind of constructivness did he do? Nothing. He killed. That does not commend respect. Hitler stabilized a country in depression. That commends respect. What he did was sick evil and wrong but he did something constructive. Charlie was just a sick fuck.

[edit] Oh yeah! Moon Flower do you listen to a lot of mushroomhead?

[darsunt]

I wonder if Manson was really that smart. What he did was extraordinarily scary, but I think lots of people do crazy things. In any big city over a thousand people a year are murdered.

I think alot of Manson's reputation is because the media focused on it and blew it up so big. They did it because there was a large audience of mainstream people who really disliked the hippies (strange thought to me) and were lusting for anything that made hippies look bad. The media satisfied that lust by sticking Manson in everyone's mind. But I suspect every year there are people who do things even more amazing and terrible than Manson, but they don't get so heavily publicized. Nobody hears about them.

[angelgodiva]

You don't have to respect or admire the man. I do.

All I have to say is this: thank God for you, moon_flower, for being there to respect and admire this worthless and pathetic excuse for a human being and making it so that the rest of us don't have to respect or admire him. You certainly have your work cut out for you!

[moon_flower]

Waiting for what, scratcho??


No, DarkLunacy, I don't listen to mushroomhead, I don't dig them. They seem like they try to hard to be like slipknot, or something.

I'll take that as a compliment, Angel. :)

[jerry420]

i couldnt give 2 shits about manson he's an old man now.

[DarkLunacy]

No, DarkLunacy, I don't listen to mushroomhead, I don't dig them. They seem like they try to hard to be like slipknot, or something. They sound nothing like Slipknot. They only have one drummer and they havent changed their image 16 times either

[moon_flower]

Aren't they the guys with the masks?

And, they could never be HALF the musicians as Slipknot, appearance change, or no appearance change!

[DarkLunacy]

Aren't they the guys with the masks?

And, they could never be HALF the musicians as Slipknot, appearance change, or no appearance change! This is gonna get relocated. They used to use these cloths masks but they just started to paint the mask on instead. The only thing driving slipknot is the drums. Weak lyrics "Dont give a shit. Dont ever judge me." Now if thats not a double standard I don't know what is.

[moon_flower]

What do you mean relocated??


Slipknot has some decent lyrical songs, too! But, the drums do keep them alive, yes.

[DarkLunacy]

What do you mean relocated??


Slipknot has some decent lyrical songs, too! But, the drums do keep them alive, yes. I mean were talking about music instead of Manson. I asked because Mushroomheads got a song "Bwomp" That has a line "If it were up to me I'd free Charles Manson"

[moon_flower]

Maybe they really aren't that bad, then :p

[FREE]

i think id be cool to hang with charlie man,sure hes a crazy mother but im positive i could take him,beside,im deeply in love with susan atkins,maybe he could hook me up

;)

lol

[DarkLunacy]

Maybe they really aren't that bad, then :p Lots of knot fans refuse to listen to Mushroomhead but when they do they like em. Different sound entirelly. Less agressive, more decadent.

FREE do you think Manson would kill you?

[FREE]

no i dont,if anything i think i could problly influence him to shut the fuck up with his nonsence ramblings and chill the fuck out and have a beer

heheheh

[moon_flower]

Eh, I probably won't like mushroom then, I LOVE aggressiveness ;)


*Wants to hang out with FREE, now!! :p *

[lildeadheadash]

Charlie Manson ate alot of LSD and obiviously fed the girls alot too. They all spun out and Charlie told them a crazy idea and they said hey that sounds like a good idea and did it. Obivously they had to be trippin when they did it. Now he's locked up. Some of the girls are out now. I would be more worried about them. They are the ones who actually killed Sharon Tate.

[shoelaceknots]

I thought i'd bring up an old thread!!!
Actually, i think my mother said that Charles himself killed Sharon. ..i think, don't quote me on that. But i think she also said that she actually saw Charles in person before he killed Sharon. wow.

Honestly, Every time i hear about Charles Manson, it makes me smile. Sure, he was wrong for what he did....it was so so wrong. but think about it like this!!!
If someone had that great of an advantage, to be able to word everything into persuasiveness, and get people to agree...and it took effect and happened.....even if it was bad..or good......don't you think that you would want that ability too? Drug induced or not? If you could talk people into almost anything, if you could say something off the wall bogus, about..say... a piece of corn, and make people ponder for minutes on end about what you just said..about a simple piece of CORN (i'm sure he could!! i wouldn't doubt it!)..just think about it!

Sure, he's a psycho, he's a murderer, and he's evil.....But DANG!
Maybe i'm just a little crazy, but i believe that THAT right THERE....the ability to TALK.....is just...wow.

[Nathan11]

i beleive the exact same thing...
he had such power
he was such a great leader...
i have a lot of respect for him, yet, i think he is a horribly wrong sadistic man.
he deserves worse than what he got.

[moon_flower]

I thought i'd bring up an old thread!!!
Actually, i think my mother said that Charles himself killed Sharon. ..i think, don't quote me on that. But i think she also said that she actually saw Charles in person before he killed Sharon. wow.Charlie didn't kill Sharon. Thank you for wasting your breath.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

That bastard gave hippies such a bad name. I hope he dies a painful death and then roasts in the darkest hottest pits of hell. Anyone else feel this way??
Charles Manson came out and said he isn't a hippy and that he hates hippies. It just shows Society is so quick to judge people on how they look and dress, it's like...just cuz hes got long hair and radical clothes, they think hes a hippy, even know hes the complete opposite and condemns them.

Peace and Love,
Dan

[MoonjavaSeed]

Yes I agree.

In 1967 i believe, my dad was hitchhiking with a friend through oregon, and he was picked up in a van by a man who told him he was named Charlie Manson(keeping in mind this was 2 years before everything went on...) . My dad said he had a funny feeling about this guy, and his eyes felt like they were trying to lure him in to something. He also said that everywhere they stopped, Charlie stopped and played his guitar and he was completely surrounded by girls, who seemed mesmerized by him.

He kept trying to give him acid, but my dad didn't want him. Finally he gave in and did, and at the next stop, he and his friend escaped from him but he said he remembers it so clearly it's sickening. Then 2 years later, they found out about the killings and my dad realized it was the same guy he was in the van with. Maybe you guys think its just one crazy acid trip but we've talked to his friend who was with him and remembers the exact same thing...

Also, if you saw that movie, did you notice that the everyone surrounded him while he played guitar, and they were saying that there was a crazy look in his eyes trying to pull you in? crazy, no?

[moon_flower]

If your dad really met Charles Manson, I would love to shake his hand.

[MoonjavaSeed]

then its a terrible thing you live in kentucky. hahah. we'd probably not make it cross the border. lol. my pappy has a criminal record for pot charges. hahahaha.

[backtothelab]

I kind of have a similar story.
My neighbor steve used to be a hippie. Well, in college, him and his buddies would go out drinking all night and then eat at this pancake house in the morning. He was drinking one night and this guy came up to him and started talking to him. He was kind of put off by this guy, he kept eye balling him and kept asking him to go get something to eat at the pancake house. He kept turning the guy down, and eventually went home. Well, turns out, that the guy steve met in the bar was Jeffery Dahmer, the serial killer. Yep, pretty fucking cool.

[moon_flower]

I'll come to Canada.

[MichaelByrd1967]

At what time did Charles Manson decide that instead of having a good life, he would rather be a serial killer?


How long after learning about murder did Charlie decide, "I Want This Fucking Job! This Job's For Me!"?

Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher could've gotten him into a fruitful music career, if he didn't kill people.

[moon_flower]

At what time did Charles Manson decide that instead of having a good life, he would rather be a serial killer?


How long after learning about murder did Charlie decide, "I Want This Fucking Job! This Job's For Me!"?

Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher could've gotten him into a fruitful music career, if he didn't kill people.
He never did have a good life. He said he's been in jail most of his life.

If I remember correctly, he was told his music sucked. Music that sucks doesn't get you a fruitful music career.

[Tristen]

I've just finished reading four books about Charles Manson, all bought second hand off Amazon.com.
Could you tell me the name of the books, please? Not sure if this was mentioned on another page, sorry. Your information is really interesting & I would be down to read some of that...
Thanks

[grendel 44]

Were any of you even born when this happened? I was and let me tell you about Charlie. He was a criminal from the beginning and had been in jail most of his adult life. He had the jailhouse mentality and was on a power trip. He used LSD to brainwash his followers, who were all much younger than him. He came out of jail and discovered that a new thing had happened, hippies with their unconventional ideas and he decided this was something he could take advantage of and feel like he was "someone" instead of the bottom feeder he really was.
I had friends that went to Spahn ranch and had met him ant the others. They were smarter than his average sheep and left after a short time. Said he was a freak on a power trip and they would not fall for his crap. The people who fell for it were mostly young girls who were naive enough to swallow his bullshit and guys who figured they could have a great time with all those sweet young things.

There is nothing to have admired in the man and it was him and others like him who gave hippies a bad name.

As for his so called music, it was truly pathetic.


[The thing the sixties did was to show us the possibilities and the responsibility that we all had. It wasn't the answer. It just gave us a glimpse of the possibility.
John Lennon

[Tristen]

Blah Blah..whatever.. It is one thing to believe someone is intelligent. It is a whole other thing to respect them. You are saying that he's intelligent AND that you respect him. It's sad. VERY SAD.

As far as "now that he's behind bars, can't we all get along?" Well, thats great in theory, but to still have people who believe and RESPECT this man is scary. It just places a whole new beginning on what will come next.

[Meeshka Chaukinov]

charles manson was one scary dude....the guy uses his last name as a stage name is one scary dude. coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[moon_flower]

There is nothing to have admired in the man and it was him and others like him who gave hippies a bad name.

As for his so called music, it was truly pathetic.


He hated hippies. How do you give someone you hate a bad name?

Yes, respect.

[themakerofmonkeys]

charles manson was one scary dude....the guy uses his last name as a stage name is one scary dude. coincidence? I THINK NOT!
marilyn manson uses mansons name to show the bad side of life and marilyn tro show the good side. Like black and white.

Personally i think charles manson was intelligent but still pretty scary.

[blazednconfused]

Eh, I don't know about that. He was very manipulative and there's a large possibility that he still has a few underground followers out there today. He became a huge icon in the 60's, who's to say people wouldn't still flock to him now?
they do... there are tons of fansites for people that worship him basically. It really is a horrible thing.

[sunnycynic]

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[hippieatheart]

even though he was a horrible person and does deserve to be in jail for life
i think he's really interesting to learn about and i like watching shows about him on tv.

[StoneTempleRoses]

I dont think he hated hippies. I think hippies wouldnt have the hate your showing towards him. You cant read helter skelter and think you know charlie. The movie they made was to make him look bad. Read Manson in his own words, he did what he thought was right and it didnt work out for him. He had a hard life and did what he could, and what he knew how to do.

[dollydagger]

I dont think he hated hippies. I think hippies wouldnt have the hate your showing towards him. You cant read helter skelter and think you know charlie. The movie they made was to make him look bad. Read Manson in his own words, he did what he thought was right and it didnt work out for him. He had a hard life and did what he could, and what he knew how to do.
??????? the man's certifiably insane...........

[Faye]

Yes he was crazy But so INTELLIGENT He had to be in order to manipulate people to kill. I don't think that he that he should be killed because there is a lot that could be learned about the mind from him. Maybe we could even find out what modivates someone to manipulate like he did. He believes that society is sick and not him. But I feel that both he and society are sick. I don't think that he will ever be let out. But if he does I will be prepared to rise hell about it cause it would just be so unjust. I believe he is sick and should be in a permeant physicatric faclity and not a jail exactally. Somewhere he can be medicated if need be.

[StoneTempleRoses]

"You people have done everything in the world to me, doesnt that give me eqaul right"

We locked him for life and even before that he could never get any ground becouse of police. He was in a prison type facility since he was 7 or so. When he gets out he just doesnt know what to do with himself. He doesnt belong in society becouse he doesnt know what it is. That doesnt mean we should lock him up.

"I dont want to kill anybody I dont need to, I think it, I have it here"

What goes on in Charlies mind is end all be all. His brain works much faster than ours, he lives in his mind becouse he has to now that he doesnt have anywhere to go.

"Your dealing the cards, man. You go heres your hand: hippie cult leader, mass murderer, lunatic, psycho. How Im I sopposed to play that hand."

We think he is evil becouse thats what were told.

That last qoute is from the top of my head and might not be 100% accurate but they represent the thought at hand.

I'm not trying to justify murder, I'm just trying to present Charles Mansons side of the story, and I sympathize with him and feel he should be released being that he is in his 70's now and a threat to no one.

[hippieatheart]

he's 70 years old, he's probably gonna die soon in the future.
he's been in and out of jail since he was young, he should probably just stay in jail.
people that have been in there so long don't know what to do with themselves once they're out.. and even though charles manson might not be a threat to anyone anymore, he probably is better off being in jail, because that's what he's used to

[LittleFlowerChild]

not only does he give hippies a bad name but he gives the beatles a bad name to what with all the helter skelter piggie thing people i dont even know have blasted me for liking the beatles because of him and it makes me so angry!
my country went to war and all i got was this expensive gasoline!