The Magic of the 60s

[God]

Remember all those hippies who spoke of the 'magic' that occured back in the 60s? Shouldn't it be a message to new hippies, that they can experience the same magic, and even more, if they will just get together, and spread their loving energy.

The love revolution never ended, it has only begun

[sila]

I think that people have become too self-centered and until more people become less focused on themselves and more focused on the population as a whole any "love revolution" will be but a dream.

[God]

but remember, the only thing you can really change is yourself.

[Fractual_]

some contribute this so called magic to astrology.

[sassure]

That '60s magic was created despite the fact that politically and globally things had gotten really ugly. But musically and culturally a lot of committed people manifested a philosophy that makes sense even today.

2004 is similar -- eerily similar -- in that politically and globally things are once again ugly as sin. There's a lot of resistance, but it's fragmented and compartmentalized. Without a single unifying voice, what can we hope to gain?

And is the music leading the way? Nope. The music isn't really politically conscious now, the way it was in the '60s when folk morphed into folk-rock and protest-folk-rock. Now the music industry itself is collapsing like Samson's temple; the music itself is escapist, even reactionary (Toby Keith, anyone?). And it's crap besides, with no new genres being born to help us ride the wave.

Oh there are a lot of folks out there who say they are anticipating the arrival of the next Big Thing. But they're looking at American Idol glitz-fests and expecting Barbie and Ken to save us from GI Joe....give me a long bloody break. "Looking For Love In All The Wrong Places"? You bet.

[beachbum7]

I think the magic of the 60s is out there - and present in many people. Especially on this site - it just needs a spark.

[Fractual_]

the magic back then was no different than the 'magic' today.

[God]

And oh that magic feeling, no where to go, no where to go

sorry, i just had to quote Abbey Road.

[Iacchus]

What are we looking for the ecstatic experience? Or, are we willing to settle for a drunken brawl? If only we understood that Dionysus was the god of wine, and not drunkenness.

[givepeaceachance]

I think the magic of the 60s is out there - and present in many people. Especially on this site - it just needs a spark.
I definitly agree that it is out there. It just needs something to set it off. I also agree with sassure because since the times right now are so eerily similar to the times in the 60's it is very possible that that magic is on its way back... Maybe the music will follow the feeling this time...?

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

I definitly agree that it is out there. It just needs something to set it off. I also agree with sassure because since the times right now are so eerily similar to the times in the 60's it is very possible that that magic is on its way back... Maybe the music will follow the feeling this time...?
We can only hope...

[God]

What are we looking for the ecstatic experience? Or, are we willing to settle for a drunken brawl? If only we understood that Dionysus was the god of wine, and not drunkenness.
man your post really hit me. The experience of ecstasy can be foudn through anything, but yeah, alcohol can help you get there, but most people just go overboard. For me, the combination of semi-drunkenness mixed with a bit of marijuana can send me to that place of ecstasy.

whatever works..

[happy]

That '60s magic was created despite the fact that politically and globally things had gotten really ugly. But musically and culturally a lot of committed people manifested a philosophy that makes sense even today.

2004 is similar -- eerily similar -- in that politically and globally things are once again ugly as sin. There's a lot of resistance, but it's fragmented and compartmentalized. Without a single unifying voice, what can we hope to gain?

And is the music leading the way? Nope. The music isn't really politically conscious now, the way it was in the '60s when folk morphed into folk-rock and protest-folk-rock. Now the music industry itself is collapsing like Samson's temple; the music itself is escapist, even reactionary (Toby Keith, anyone?). And it's crap besides, with no new genres being born to help us ride the wave.

Oh there are a lot of folks out there who say they are anticipating the arrival of the next Big Thing. But they're looking at American Idol glitz-fests and expecting Barbie and Ken to save us from GI Joe....give me a long bloody break. "Looking For Love In All The Wrong Places"? You bet.
amen sassure! I couldnt agree more!

[hippie_au]

I think that people have become too self-centered and until more people become less focused on themselves and more focused on the population as a whole any "love revolution" will be but a dream.
i totally agree with u.. most people don't care about whats going on in the world, today.they just live there lifes.

[jendi17]

I hate when people say that maybe one day the magic will come back. You can't just sit there and wait for it to come. You have to help it to come back.

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

I hate when people say that maybe one day the magic will come back. You can't just sit there and wait for it to come. You have to help it to come back.
I agree. The only problem is getting together the force to do so...

[Day Dreamer]

Someone said, "The Yin needs the Yang, every thing needs a equal opposite"(or somethign to that effect, please correct me and tell me who said this)

So, maybe, the Vietnam war, the racial and social problems, and all the other thigns that the 60's were rebelling against were essential for the existense of such a revolution.

If I'm right, things are starting to look just about ideal for another counter-culture revolution. imagine.... 35 years from now, people look back and say, " I wish i could have lived during the 2000's"

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

Someone said, "The Yin needs the Yang, every thing needs a equal opposite"(or somethign to that effect, please correct me and tell me who said this)

So, maybe, the Vietnam war, the racial and social problems, and all the other thigns that the 60's were rebelling against were essential for the existense of such a revolution.

If I'm right, things are starting to look just about ideal for another counter-culture revolution. imagine.... 35 years from now, people look back and say, " I wish i could have lived during the 2000's"
Hmm...if they like rap music...lol...

Yes...it definetely is starting to shape up on the darkside...what we're looking for is the lightside to shape up...but there's only so much you can do to make others aware. It seams that a lot of our generation couldn't give a damn if the world went to Hell...They're just so consumed in this increadable materialism...and...I think that's part of where we're laking...but I do hope that your ideas of the ends justifying the means are true...

Our yang: War in Iraq, possible draft, Bush, possible amendment against same sex marraiges, affirmative action, abortion,ect....

[Day Dreamer]

It seams that a lot of our generation couldn't give a damn if the world went to Hell...They're just so consumed in this increadable materialism...and...I think that's part of where we're laking...but I do hope that your ideas of the ends justifying the means are true...1st, yes, it does seem that our generation is incredibly self centered, but if things get bad enough in Iraq (or anyhwere else, with anything else), people will get fed up and put an end to it. The question is how bad does it have to get before the majority of people get fed up.

2nd, "but I do hope that your ideas of the ends justifying the means are true..." what? I reread my post, and I don't believe I said anything to that effect. I don't believe that. Thinking that your "justified" in anything is a sure sign your're probably wrong.

My post about the yin and the yang thing was merely a philosophical question, interesting to think about. In order for something to exist, it must have an opposite, or so some famous philosophe believed.

Examples:

Could you even define evil if there was no good?

Could "good" music exist if their was no "bad" music?

Could the Republican party exist without a Democratic party?

Could sleep exist if there was no conciousnous?

[hippietoad]

To me the 60's was an era that can never be done again. It was a set of events that changed a people a nation. Yeah we can try to have the same values that were present during those times but those times are gone. People have definately gotten in a self absorbed bubble. It would be nice though to be in the 60's and live those times.

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

2nd, "but I do hope that your ideas of the ends justifying the means are true..." what? I reread my post, and I don't believe I said anything to that effect. I don't believe that. Thinking that your "justified" in anything is a sure sign your're probably wrong.

My post about the yin and the yang thing was merely a philosophical question, interesting to think about. In order for something to exist, it must have an opposite, or so some famous philosophe believed.

Examples:

Could you even define evil if there was no good?

Could "good" music exist if their was no "bad" music?

Could the Republican party exist without a Democratic party?

Could sleep exist if there was no conciousnous?
Ooops...that's what I meant...it just came out wrong. I like the ying yang concept::sigh:: Reason #324 not to use cliches...

[Jezmund]

The "Magic of the Sixties" was obviously sparked through music. That does not seem even remotely possible in this day and age. The corporate powers that control the government have a tight grip on all forms of media including music. Anyone that tries to communicate a non conformist message through music or anything else will find in impossible.

There is one thing that the corporations cant control though and that is Internet which is much more effective than the radio anyway. There is a internet connection in almost every home now and the message is being spread. The flame is being fed and the corporations that profit from war and oil wont know what hit them when they are engulfed by this fire.

More people are turning their interest from the TV to the internet which is a good thing. sooner or later all this info will get to everyone in the world and we will all realize that the new revolution has finally begun.

Knock on wood

[Terrapin Flyer]

I think that people have become too self-centered and until more people become less focused on themselves and more focused on the population as a whole any "love revolution" will be but a dream.
i believe this to an extent, but a wise man once said "revolution starts within"


~shine on in love and light~
Sundance

[Day Dreamer]

The "Magic of the Sixties" was obviously sparked through music. That does not seem even remotely possible in this day and age. The corporate powers that control the government have a tight grip on all forms of media including music.]
cough(mtv)cough

[MarkN]

I LOVE you guys :) ......but sometimes ooooooooo I just want to shock you with some zappo paddles. LOL
This kind of fits into the yin/yang conversation. The sixtys were great! and the sixtys were bad. Along with the force of universal love we had a most worth oppoient. The establishment. The goverment shipping us off to a unjust war. Racial bigotry, Puritan sexual attitudes etc.

The sixties are over.

You have the same problems today.....no....you have even greater "cause" to have your own "movement". It could be much greater than the sixtys was.

The internet is a tool. A good source of info & communication, but your not going to have a revolution sitting at home typing on the keyboard. (Please understand, I not scolding anyone. Just trying to help.) An Internet movement, will be just that.....a movement on the internet. Not in real life.
This is not a video game. Those are your real live brothers & sisters getting killed and wounded over in Iraq. For what? Oil?

You all are aware of the apathy or the negitive of your generation. Your waiting on a "spark"??
YOU ARE THE SPARK!! everyone of you.
Don't wait on some Messiah Hippie to lead.
YOU be the leader.
What would I do if I were 17-30?
I might get a buddy and go down to the Army recruiting office. Just hang out outside the doors, maybe pull some guy beside that is going in to sign up. State your case to him. You might just make him think twice about joining. Ok, the next day maybe 2 other friends come. You guys could bring lawn chairs. Take 2 spaces in the parking lot in front of the recruitment office. All of you sitting facing the office...."watching". Print up some fylers. hand them out. Put them under windshield wipper blades. If the cops hassle you. Call the Media. Local TV stations, Newspaper. Get "them" intrested in what you have to say.

I agree with the poster that said that it starts "within".
Start by saying out loud......
THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHERSAL.......THE TIME IS NOW

repeat it.

just an idea I had.

[lunar forest]

So well said, MarkN, your words inspire me! Now I've gotta find me some of those buddies!

[tiki_god7]

I love that idea! also lacking in friends that have opinions strong enough to stand up for........
Personally I think everybody here is missing a key ingredient to the whole 60's revolution..........LSD was completely legal! It seems as thouhg it was an uncommon event to go toa show in the 60's and not find acid everywhere.......whether it be a garbage can filled with kool-aid spiked with lsd, candy circulating the crowd with a hit on it......or even balloons falling from the ceiling all containing a hit.........it was everywhere...and now it seems to be nowhere.......
I think our generation has been spoonfed bullshit from local officer D.A.R.E. that says what is ok to take and what is not.....its ok to take a pill containing god knows what chemicals as long as a pharmacist gives it to you...but ingesting a plant that grows from the ground is wrong....
I think the power of LSD is underestimated now....personally that had a HUGE influence on the 60's and I'd think that anybody that has had a psychedelic experience of any sort will agree with me

[tiki_god7]

Another point I forgot to add..........musicians of the 60's didn't give a shit about being payed...they wanted to spread the love there music brings......nobody can put a price on that.........

Nowadays ticket pricing is ridiculous with all the added fee's so John CEO can by his ungrateful son the new mercedes suv that all the cool kids in school are driving...........

I've read stories where ticket pricing was based on the persons income....a wealthy business manager may pay ten bucks where a poor college kid got in for a dollar, or free.....or other events where it cost either the burning of a dollar, or paying 4..........

[tiki_god7]

Another HUGE difference between then and now that I would think had a huge impact on the scene is now everybody is trying to put a price on what was once viewed as artistic beauty that can't have a dollar figure attributed to it...its meant to be shared with all.........

Now John Q CEO has to add all sorts of fee's to a ticket price so his ungrateful prep school son can drive his mercedes..........

I've read stories of 60's concerts that require you either burn a dollar or pay 4..........now everybody is trying to capitalize off what used to be handed out freely

[lunar forest]

I think our generation has been spoonfed bullshit from local officer D.A.R.E. that says what is ok to take and what is not.....its ok to take a pill containing god knows what chemicals as long as a pharmacist gives it to you...but ingesting a plant that grows from the ground is wrong....
This is such a good point. Though, I don't think drugs are everything. I mean, call me radical, but I think we don't NEED drugs to do anything whether illeagle, or prescribed. We can change the world, start a revelution, bring peace through music - or what have you - without the aid of drugs. We don't need to alter anything but our thoughts and actions, and we don't NEED anything to do it! (Not that drugs don't help.)

I think what you said about music, tiki_god7, is where it's at. We need music that gives a damn! I mean, other than about getting paid and getting laid. There are VERY few bands/musicians who write about anything worth our time. Until that changes I don't see much changing.

Music is power!

[tiki_god7]

I don't know...I find it personally hard to believe that a culture as materialistic, egocentric, and ethnocentric as our own will be able to open up, forget about themselves and experience the feeling that was so common in the 60's without the aid of some sort of psychotropic substance..........I know there are thousands of people capable of it but it seems as though they only get together at times of festivals or other tours or something of the sort.........but then I'm from the armpit of the midwest aka fargo northdakota/moorhead minnesota where people like that are a rare breed....

[tiki_god7]

I don't know whats up here but it doesn't seem as though my posts are posting...if it happens to work out both time i apologize for having two entries saying the same thing

It is hard for me to believe that people in todays culture are too materialistic, egocentric, and ethnocentric to really let go, forget about themselves and really experience the loving comradery(that was a huge key in the 60's revoluion) without the aid of some psychotropic substance.....of course there are gatherings and festivals where people assemble that just are that way but the number of them seems to minute to really show like it did........it seems as though the masses are catching on that 'the dirty hippies now how to party' so more and more 'yuppies' are gathering becuase they no they can get as drunk as they want and stoned as they want and do as much coke as they want or whatever.....without big brother breathing over there shoulding reminding them not to......

There is a local minnesota band that tours the midwest, awesome jam band, all about spreading positive vibes and just kicking back and having a good time....I saw them again a few months ago and the scene is becoming over run by frat boys because they can get drunk and party....the band noted that it was the first time they had ever had a mosh pit at one of there shows...I was as amaised as them......

[Day Dreamer]

The sixtys were great! and the sixtys were bad. Along with the force of universal love we had a most worth oppoient. The establishment. The goverment shipping us off to a unjust war. Racial bigotry, Puritan sexual attitudes etc.
"the government shipping us off to a unjust war.", "Racial bigotry","puritan sexual attitudes".... are you sure you're describing the 60's or the 2000's?
I feel it coming... revolution can't be far off. I would be protesting, but i'm 15, and everyone knows kids have no rights. Can't wait to turn 18...

[lunar forest]

tiki_god7, you very well may be right, but I think a lot of those people won't except any drugs that their Dr.s didn't prescribe. Hmmmm.... Medical Marijuana to take the stick out of one's ass? Do you think it'll sell?

They are the same kind of people who didn't do drugs in the 60's.

[lunar forest]

oh, and DD, you are so right! No one takes people "under age" seriously! Al I wanted when I was a teenager was to grow up so people could take me seriously. To tell you the truth, it doesn't get all that much better, though!

You can make somewhat of a difference, though. Just keep on trying! Spread the love around, that's the most anyone can really do!

[MarkN]

LSD was ILLEGAL where I lived in the late 60's. That was just in the early 60's when timothy leary & those guys in Cal. were messing with it. Kids started winding up in mental insatuitions, and emergency rooms so they pasted a law. Yeah it was easy to get but I never had it fall out of the sky in ballons! lol
Acid is good for breaking barriers of close minded thinking. It opens your mind up to new ideas, and makes you an explorer of other social options. But it is not a tool of a "movement". Think about it. What was your greatest accoplishment on acid?? Yeah, me too. I mostly sat around in a dark room with a black light considering the amazing beuty of the "tracers" my cigarette made when I moved my hand. I think people had the idea that the 60's was one big acid trip. Like we did it daily or something. If that were the case, my typing now would look like this: ;lkjh aeoiuzd &^lkjh(*&^%:L?KJ.,kjhkjh. LSD is a good "recreational drug", but for me thats about it. So, if everybody did acid, you would just have a huge group of fucked up people for 8-10 hours. But I do agree everybody should try it once, maybe open a few doors and clear some cobwebs. But than again, its just my opion.;)

[JosieJune]

The magic of the '60's still lives within all of us hippies...just waiting to be expressed.
It would be most helpful if the music industry adopted the hippie spirit again as world events have made it prime for a new hippie revolution...after all hippies do need their music!

Paz,
Josie

[Magical Mystery Girl]

The magic of the '60's still lives within all of us hippies...just waiting to be expressed.
It would be most helpful if the music industry adopted the hippie spirit again as world events have made it prime for a new hippie revolution...after all hippies do need their music!

Paz,
Josie
Josie, you might want to listen to my band. We're doing exactly that. ;)

http://www.fluidrouge.com

[JosieJune]

Josie, you might want to listen to my band. We're doing exactly that. ;)

http://www.fluidrouge.com
Alo, Magical Mystery Girl! Thank you so much for sharing such beautiful music...i've been enjoying your music all morning now and could hardly wait to get back on here and let you know :)
Wish you could have seen my children dancing! 'Little Boy' is such a special song and i've been singing along to my little boys.
I'm new here...i've been kind of a lost hippie looking for a nice place to visit and i've found it. The site is so huge, i've been skipping around and was fortunate enough to see your pic earlier today in the members section...I thought to myself then what a beautiful human being and now i've crossed paths...:cool:
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing more!
I will happily pass it on!

~take care~

Paz,
Josie

[lover/young_peace]

there are a few reasons the 60s cannot happen again

1. rock & roll has died. Yep. once people my age die out rock & roll will be a thing of the past. This new so-called-metal will not cut it. the basic message in new "rock"-if we are calling it that- is HATE. ( i hate myself, my family, women, gays, blacks, the entire world.) they say things like "im goin to cut you up stupid cunt just because i can" nobody knows what real music is like. Rock & roll is a natural drug. it makes you feel powerful when done properly, and gives you more courage and strength to make a change. Rock & Roll is the perfect sound for a revolution. Nowadays, the music has a feeling of every man for himself... damn it all to hell... who cares... etc. if this music does trigger a movement, it will not be a peaceful one.

2. drugs are now EVIL! yes i had to take DARE classes... and they're total bull. I have children in my schools thinking if you smoke one joint you will overdose & die. they really believe this. "come on," i explained,"it's easier to overdose on tylenol." guess what they said. "SHUT UP STUPID HIPPY." i would be happy to educate them because i do a lot of research, and have a fair amount of knowledge on drugs and drug related issues although i do not use (at least at my young age) what's worse... about a third of these kids do not know what acid is... ahhh... so the tolerance for drug use or any rebellion or behavior condemned by the authority is DANGEROUSLY LOW.

3. we have to do it our own way. I really cant properly explain this until i think it through some more... but i just have a feeling like my generation has to do it their own way. Maybe somebody can prove me right or wrong I just have this feeling that we cant copy the 60s.

4. hippydom is no longer tolerated. if you wear a shirt with a peace sign on the front you get death threats. i know from personal experience. rebellion is scorned by the young people as well as authority. they have all turned into conservative, brainwashed dronies happy to drop bombs on anyone who looks different

all we can do is try to spread love around. it may work in isolated areas but a widespread like the 60s movement is unlikely. maybe im not looking hard enough but i see no hope. this hellhole called suburbia is not reality. vibes are bad. i hope once im 18 i can travel the world & discover reality... but by then it may be too late. yes people the future looks grim. i wish i could live in the 60s... ive created a double-generation gap. i dont realate to those who lived in the 60s & were part of the movement because naturally they have more experience. that gap is unaviodable and natural. however i also cannot relate to my own generation (see numbers 1,2,4 above) . im a lost individual with so many theories but no plans for change.

in conclusion (and i apologize for length) if the world all goes to hell and it sucks even more than now (which is likely) i will take full blame. im not really responsible, but whatever, it might be fun.

good luck & peace to you all.

[MichaelByrd1967]

There is no way that, we can have a time as fun and magical as the 60's, again. Unless we work for it. WE CAN DO IT! All it takes is a few things:

1. Put A Little Love In Your Heart.

2. Object To WHATEVER The Government Tells You Is Wrong.

3. Peacefully Protest, but don't be hypocritical.

4. Be Peaceful, and when somebody puts you down; smile and flash the peace sign at them.

5. Don't force anything on anybody. I'm sure most of us are anti oppression.

These are not laws, these are not guidelines, these are not rules. You won't be penalized or punished for breaking them. They are a tool for showing the world, how to live. The only way to live is in peace.

And peace you shall show them.

[Magical Mystery Girl]

Alo, Magical Mystery Girl! Thank you so much for sharing such beautiful music...i've been enjoying your music all morning now and could hardly wait to get back on here and let you know :)
Wish you could have seen my children dancing! 'Little Boy' is such a special song and i've been singing along to my little boys.
I'm new here...i've been kind of a lost hippie looking for a nice place to visit and i've found it. The site is so huge, i've been skipping around and was fortunate enough to see your pic earlier today in the members section...I thought to myself then what a beautiful human being and now i've crossed paths...:cool:
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing more!
I will happily pass it on!

~take care~

Paz,
JosieJosie, thank you so much for your kind words. I am so happy you enjoyed our music! Nice to see young children enjoying it as well.

We're about to begin recording our first album and as soon as it's ready, I'll let you know. ;)

As for the board, yes it is pretty big. I've been browsing it for several months now and I still haven't seen even half of it. But it's such a warm community...very refreshing to be a part of.

Thank you again and share it with everyone you know who might enjoy it. :)

[JosieJune]

Josie, thank you so much for your kind words. I am so happy you enjoyed our music! Nice to see young children enjoying it as well.

We're about to begin recording our first album and as soon as it's ready, I'll let you know. ;)

As for the board, yes it is pretty big. I've been browsing it for several months now and I still haven't seen even half of it. But it's such a warm community...very refreshing to be a part of.

Thank you again and share it with everyone you know who might enjoy it. :)
Absolutely! What a talented band!
And don't forget to let me know...I would be honored to buy your album!

See 'ya around!

Paz,
Josie

[God]

damn, i'm almost sorry for starting this thread. I see a lot of us are really non-optimistic. yea, the world is pretty messed up, it has always been. It's getting better all the time, believe it or not. What was it, just 40 years ago, in some cities, it was illegal to go into the 'colored' section?

remember, revolution, one smile at a time.

[lunar forest]

Well, I for one am glad that you started it. You're right, we need to be more optomistic! Nothing is going to happen if we don't believe that it will. The mind is a powerful tool, and it'll weigh you down if you let it!

Keep on smiling!

[CalJam]

We don't have to lose the concept that once was, it is in most of our hearts to want to Share The land or to love our brother. The 60's were not only about the music but also about the ways we carried our heart felt voices to the world, the 60's are known for the Love generation and we still have it. It is just up to you the individual to carry the message still and not forget where we or your past brothers and sisters came from and went through. In this not so easy world now there are still a lot of good things and good people that never lost the vibe and even more now this world needs Love. Yeah it sounds corny but its true, back then all you needed was love. I got by some hardtimes by my brothers and sisters who shared the same feelings and ideas that we all are in this together and together we pick up our brothers and sisters when we fall. Don't give up the idea that we lost the feeling, I can't! It is what gets me by in this era. Peace In Music...

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

Indeed...that is what I think is going to get us through this. The idea that we can live in love, the idea that we can find the inner light in ourselves and everyone. The principles of the 60s are alive in our hearts its true. I just hope it won't take long before we are able to make the world realize them again... :) Peace forever. All you need is love.....

"With our love we could save the world"- "Within You, Without You"- The Beatles; George Harrison

*Peace and Love*
Nicole

[lover/young_peace]

damn, i'm almost sorry for starting this thread. I see a lot of us are really non-optimistic. yea, the world is pretty messed up, it has always been. It's getting better all the time, believe it or not. What was it, just 40 years ago, in some cities, it was illegal to go into the 'colored' section?

remember, revolution, one smile at a time.
sorry. i am naturally pessimist... and am excuseing myself from the conversation for the day.

~~Peace~~

[Republican]

magic of the 60's?

I wasn't alive but from what I understand the 60's were a time when americans tryed to ruin the nation... Peace is good and all and I am all for it. but Its not worth letting our troops die... many people lost their lives in this war and the people of the 60's continued to protest... look at world war II every one supported the troops... that dosn't mean they suported the war.. but they didn't want the troops to die... people went through hell in 'nam and came back to a country where no one wanted them... I know alot about vietnam.. I represented them in model United Nations.. the country is poor and unable to suport its self It is living prof of the only problem with communism... corruption.. due to the geneva convention we would have been forced to help rebild the country if the war would have been ended. But because we pulled out we did not have to help and now the people live in poverty with no food and watter... mabe the 60's were a good time but im shure happy im not to blame for the suffering of a nation...

[HippieDude1967]

The protesting helped bring back the troops sooner (meaning less deaths). The protesting did not cause anyone to die in Vietnam...

[craftyone]

Oh yeah, Just give me a cuase, I have set a path, to live day to day letting noone stand in my way if you do I will find a way to make it work. let non stand before me and prevent a solution. To stand for common ground is to incite a revolution. One of my favorites is when your sleeping in your car and the man comes and asks you what r u doing here. (well I was sleeping) I tell you the hippie revolution is still strong the problem I feel is the lack of ambition to actually make a change by most. There are many of us who fight for dignity and self respect. I could go on for hours realy... I was raised on a small farm in North Dakota. The only thigng that ever change our situation was ourselves. Motivation and posstitive manefestation was our tool for survival. So In my fight I have created just days ago Crafty Trades http://wwwcraftytrades.com If you know any phamily that is in need of a place to post I will provide as much as I can. I am proud to promote alternative living. and not the one they sell in a book. For my crafty brothers and sisters I offer my free services. Classified adds, Photo albums, journals,links,news,forums,chat (to come very soon) I need your help to shape this for I am tring to build a community trying to link our crafty little lives together in hope we all may gather and cherish what we have built. This site is fully interactive pleas do not hesitate to post anything when you visit tis is yours as much as mine. Love your phamily...peace

[Republican]

The protesting helped bring back the troops sooner (meaning less deaths). The protesting did not cause anyone to die in Vietnam...
yes this is true but decreased morale got people to kill themselves and to kill their friends... granted this also had to do with drugs but the morale and drugs together really messed up the soldiers..

the protesting did not directly kill aney troops.. but it did lower morale and you cant win a war with our morale.. more people died in the "peace" that followed after we pulled out..
south vietnamese soldiers were masicerd and children and women were slaughtered.. I should know my friends father was in the SVA (south vietnamese army).... He got out and came to america to excape..

[sassure]

The point is that we live in a different ambience now, so the revolution must be unique.

In the '60s, groups like the Jefferson Airplane made music, smoked reefer, dropped acid, and slept with everyone and everything. Grace Slick has said that there were times when she didn't know if they had any money at all, even when they were famous. Most of the time they had no idea how much they were making, or what they had in the bank....they let the bean counters do that.

By the time groups like the Eagles came along, you have Glenn Frey and Don Henley saying that they would do it right, that they would make some serious money. Whoa....talk about a change.

2004? Are you kidding? Look at Madonna, the ultimate bean-counter-diva. Whereas in the '60s the music drove the cart and the money followed, now money drives the music, so that huge sucking sound you hear ain't just a windstorm over the prairie......

[Real American]

Sorry, but that euphoric time you speak of and refer to as the 60's was created by mass consumption of drugs. Of course they had no clue if they had money or not, the were stoned. Drugs of any kind taken for any reason other than medicinal purposes ruin your life. They do nothing for you. They alter your perception of time and the way you think for the worse. Yeah, you can have the 60's affect all over again. Just keep smoking your weed, taking your hits, doing the lines, and poping your pills. Your kids will thankyou for it!

[MichaelByrd1967]

I think the reason why the 60's were so magical is that the music was new and joyous and original, and it freaked the kids out. Now everything freaking the kids out is scary and violent and angry.

My guess is, if we wanted to bring back a magical feeling into this world, it's gonna have to start with music. And it's already starting, with bands getting back to the basics (ex. Jet, The Strokes). Pretty soon, rap, pop and neo-metal will exhaust itself, and it'll be our chance to bring back some wholesome music.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/peace.gif

[lunaluvcat]

I used to get really bummed out when I would dwell on the fact that I missed out on the sixties, but now I just focus on the truth that we should be thankful for phamily everywhere and know we all have a connection.

[Republican]

the only thing IMHO that came out of the 60's was good music.. and with out the 60's music modern music would be alot diffrent and I may be a republican but i love rock. and even though the music was influenced by drugs for example "Lucey in the Sky With Dimonds" there still good... gotta luv u sum Betals. :p

and with out the music from the 60's we would have no korn, linkin park, disturbed, Hoobastank, blink 182, green day, switch foot, story of the year, well i could go on for days that would have not existed if the 60's hadn't.. I may not have perticulary liked the moovement but they new how to make a song.. or at least most of 'em..

oh and yea jet rocks I luv them it sounds like oldies.. I wuz listining to "be my girl" and my mom was in the car and she said "I dont rember this song" lol well it was a good thing she didn't because it was shortly after it came out lol..
I need 2 get their CD.

[lunar forest]

Yeah, jet does rock! But, where's the message? Doesn't that have a lot to do with it? I mean, good music is awesome, and essential for life (can you tell I was raised by hippy musicians?) but what are they singing about? A hot mama? Come on, there is a whole hell of a lot more out there than getting laid. I'm sick of hearing nothing but how horney we are, or in love, or whatever! I mean, these things can make for great music, too, but we need more than that! I want to be inspired to do more than date! You know?

And yeah, the beatles totally rock! I'm listening to abbey road right now! "Bang, bang Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head. Bang, bang Maxwell's sillver hammer made sure that she was dead..." They had the right idea! Their music was contorverial, political, mindexpanding, and just plain fun! (Now, can you tell I'm a huge beatle's fan?!) There is more to music than just a good vibe, as vital as that vibe is!

Are you hearing me?

[Real American]

Some of the music was bearable. I myself get tired of hearing music with riddles in it. I don't want to have to be high to understand it. Once again, this leads to the drugs they were on when they wrote the songs.

[Republican]

jet sings about hot chicks and there is nuting wrong with that... gotta luv hot chicks so i see nutin wrong w/ it.

[lunar forest]

I do agree, like I said: I'm sick of hearing nothing but how horney we are, or in love, or whatever! I mean, these things can make for great music, too, but we need more than that! I want to be inspired to do more than date! You know? It's just that there is so much more! When I listen to music I want to hear passion, and not just passionate love of the opposite sex. I think it's important to have music that makes us think about something other than that. Like politics, for example. I mean, in this time when so many young people aren't even registered to vote, it would make so much of a difference if our poets and prophets would speak on these things. I think Incubus (sp?) has the right idea!!

Am I totally off here?

[Ocean Byrd]

Trust me, America has become conformist, so I dunno about the magic. Not to mention the music has gone to hell nowadays; but I think that it's possible to feel some of that energy if you have a group of friends that are into the same stuff as you. I, unfortunately, am not blessed with such.

[MichaelByrd1967]

Jet does have a way of telling about the passion for the opposite sex, but there is also a passion for whatever you are talking about, which is what made music from the 60's so wonderful. Passion. Nowadays, it's all about the money. Metallica suing Napster, because they wanted money, not passionate about the music.

Anybody ever see 'Almost Famous'. The made up band Stillwater, were in it for the music, not the money.

'Although some money would be nice, to get by with. And the chicks are great!' - Jason Lee as Jeff Bebe from 'Almost Famous.

[lover/young_peace]

i want somebody to love
yes i need somebody to love
i'd love somebody to love,
i better find somebody to love.


I guess the 60s are so great partly because they will never happen again. Once in a universe kind of thing.

i was born in the wrong decade but its okay. i can be upset about it , but until i get a time machine, it will do me no good....
im in a dream state right now i dont remember what im saying.

i just feel sad and cheated and let down

i feel ive failed before ive began

holy shit woman stop typing you make no sense....

NEVER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo......

[grendel 44]

;) Hey, Love/YoungPeace (sorry if I got that wrong). Don't be sad that you missed something from the past. You have a whole new future to look forward to and you CAN make a difference. You don't have to have lived the life of another time to have a good life of your own. I know our world today is not that wonderful, but you have to be at peace with yourself to enjoy life. Make the most of your youth and strength, get involved in something positive that may help our planet. Look at the flowers, not the weeds.

All you need is love and it's out there for you to find. Take it from an old hippie, life really ain't so bad.

[grendel 44]

:rolleyes: Hey, Real American, what is your issue with drugs, were you there with the hippies? were you in Nam? You can't comprehend that people can get together in harmony without being stoned on something? That is really sad. It's OK though, you are entitled to your opinion.
Personally I was there and did not do drugs or smoke weed, but I was tolerant of those who did, they were usually OK to be around. Nowadays we have some pretty nasty chemicals that people are taking (crack, exctasy etc.) and I do not like being around those people.

Just out of interest, where do you stand on legalizing weed?

[lunar forest]

Almost famous - I love that movie! It is one of my favorites, which is saying something because I usually only like "films" and often with subtitles. I think Almost famous is really insirational, at least it is for me!

[daturastolemysoul]

its easy to sit at your computers and complain about how the 60's are over and how the magic has left the world, but are you getting out on the streets pushong for the counter culture movment? Are you getting beaten up by cops for acting like a mad man? hmmmmm yeah well see the counter culter movment of the late 60's and early 70's really wasent that huge, yeah there were people like ken keasy driving around in busses drinking acid where ever they went, but that really wasent that aparent. It makes me laugh that you are all being nastalgic instead of going out into the world and mixing it up alittle, if something pisses you off, GET PISSED OFF show them who the hell you are. Hippys were also not non-conformists in the sence that we think of it today, they were trying to start their own culture, they dident want to jsut be their own individuals, it was a movement, organisation was nessisary, a new conformity was created and nothing is wrong with that at all. What needs to be done in order for the "magic" of the 60's (I wont even get into my feelings about decade grouping) is that the youth needs to openly rebel agaist the organised society and form thier own reality, who knows what that is going to look like but there needs to be something to bind them. NOW GO GET YOURSELF SOME DAYGLOW PAINTS! PAINT YOUR FACES AND FREAKOUT IN THE STREAT!
YAYAAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYA

[DazedDreamer]

yes oh my god i totally agree you see i am the young generation im am 14 and all i have been trying to do is bring back the magic, all i need is a big topic to protest about, & im all for it, but i havent found anyone else who is, thats why i joined this site to find more people like me, SO TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD PLEASE TALK TO ME I AM TOTALLY SERIOUS LETS SHOW THOSE POWER LOVING AUTHORITY HOW MUCH STRONGER THE POWER OF LOVE IS LETS SHOW THEM WHAT HIPPIES ARE MADE OF LETS MAKE THIS WORLD A PEACEFUL PLACE TO LIVE, talk to me if you to are serious about this statement

[Real American]

Just out of interest, where do you stand on legalizing weed? Go for it, as long as there are rules that enforce no smoking while driving. I figure if they were to legalize that drug it would cut down on the cost each city uses to take down ppl using and selling. There for giving the police more time to spend on other problems. Hell, while they are at it, legalize all the other drugs as well, a mass influx of legal buying will cause drugies all over to start over dosing...it will be like a self cleaning cycle in a washing machine.

[God]

i gotta admit, im not really seeing it in the concept forms of 'hippie vs. society' anymore, but madmen/beautiful people vs. the dead and brainwashed of society.

it's kind of like a spiritual revolution, and when you keep spreading your vision, the more people get turned on. go out there, start a band, and play some insane music. be like syd barrett. hahaa

[Ocean Byrd]

Sorry, but that euphoric time you speak of and refer to as the 60's was created by mass consumption of drugs. Of course they had no clue if they had money or not, the were stoned. Drugs of any kind taken for any reason other than medicinal purposes ruin your life. They do nothing for you. They alter your perception of time and the way you think for the worse. Yeah, you can have the 60's affect all over again. Just keep smoking your weed, taking your hits, doing the lines, and poping your pills. Your kids will thankyou for it!

Yes, that's right, drugs ruin lives. No, it could never be the the fact that some people can't control their use, not at all; it must be the drugs that make people ruin their lives.

How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older.

[lover/young_peace]

;) Hey, Love/YoungPeace (sorry if I got that wrong). Don't be sad that you missed something from the past. You have a whole new future to look forward to and you CAN make a difference. You don't have to have lived the life of another time to have a good life of your own. I know our world today is not that wonderful, but you have to be at peace with yourself to enjoy life. Make the most of your youth and strength, get involved in something positive that may help our planet. Look at the flowers, not the weeds.

All you need is love and it's out there for you to find. Take it from an old hippie, life really ain't so bad.

:) hey thanks man. im sorry to be so pessimistic. i was having a mid-life crisis moment..... heheehee. anyway good advice man , thanks!:D

[avacado_salesman]

I dont regret missing the sixties. I woulda been drafted, I woulda gone, I wouldnt be here now(dead), plus I woulda missed every awesome experience I have actually experienced in the life I was given. I only wanna visit, time machine style. Catching ever dead show woulda been cool tho.

[Real American]

No, it could never be the the fact that some people can't control their use, not at all; it must be the drugs that make people ruin their lives. You are right, I should have said it differently. It's the consumption of drugs that ruins your life. The drug itself is just the stepping stone. Either way, unless used for medicinal purposes, they do nothing of benifit for the user.

One more thing:How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older. Are you saying that people older that 44 aren't able to see that drugs are bad? What if I am 42, would that make a difference that drugs are bad? Would that make a difference that people using drugs are dumb?

[FunkyPhreshMama]

i think the new generation needs to step up and create a "MAGIC" of their own!! We are not alone out there, if we all come together for what we beleive in etc.... things can happen, BIG and GOOD things!!!

[lunar forest]

It's the consumption of drugs that ruins your life. The drug itself is just the stepping stone. Either way, unless used for medicinal purposes, they do nothing of benifit for the user. Wow man, you are so narrow minded on this!

FPM, you are so right mama!

[MichaelByrd1967]

Drugs are an Eye-opener. What medical purpose does LSD have? Does medicinal marijuana really work? Where do you get your information?

[God]

You are right, I should have said it differently. It's the consumption of drugs that ruins your life. The drug itself is just the stepping stone. Either way, unless used for medicinal purposes, they do nothing of benifit for the user.

One more thing: Are you saying that people older that 44 aren't able to see that drugs are bad? What if I am 42, would that make a difference that drugs are bad? Would that make a difference that people using drugs are dumb?
people who use drugs are dumb. what a scientific and unbiased fact/statement. please, please show me the evidence you have to support this claim, besides government propaganda.

[Republican]

I agree with RA because I have seen 2 of my friends get in big trouble because of drugs. one was expelled and decided to just drop out of college the other has decided he dosn't care about school and dosn't try and gets d's.. Not all drug cases are like this but 90% are.. If you think its government propeganda than Im sorry that you choose to live in a fanticy world.. at one point Little Rock, AR (where I live) had the Highest murder rate in the US.. wonder why? Because the Bloods and Crypts were fighting for controll of the meth traficing.. meth is a huge problem in Arkansas...

I have also seen someone loose there Kids respect and his children are now following his path.. they are into drugs and the 19 year old is pregnent and unable to support herself, even though the guy she is pregnent by wants to marry her.. this world is suffering because of drugs..


I hope you can atleast say smoaking is stuped because even pot can cause cancer.. But throw your life away with your government drug conspericy/ propaganda garbage and your life will go to hell in a handbasket (not saying you will go to hell but your life will become a living hell..)...

This is one of the reasons that I would go to war overbeing a Cop.. no one listens to them.. they are constantly in fear that the person who they pulled over has drugs and is willing to kill the officer so they dont get caught..

so manny reasons not to do drugs.. why would you consider them..
i hope I never get lured into drugs because I have seen people go through hell..

In the late 60's - mid 70's the ruler of the USSR came on American telivision and anounced his way to distroy the USA.. through the youth.. he would help drug controll into the US and makeshure the problems with the drugs in the 60's were nothing to what we were to see.. well ladies and gentlemen do you want to let the USSR's plan work? do you really want anarchy.. where gangs rule and people are executed for pission people off? have you seen excape from LA? the citty of LA in that movie is what anarchy looks like and drugs if widly used could cause that..

If laws were put into place where drugs were legal but they crackdown on DWI' s It would be fine with me.. also the drugrate would decrease.. drugs are done for rebelion.. everyone who does them started as an adolecent or did 'em in the 60's... making 'em legal is the best way to stop them.. not to mention the Government could sell them and cut the national debt and would not have to pay for NARCs... but I would prefer that this didn't happen..

[Kitaro]

ook...what THEY DID WAS ILEGALIZE ALL KINDS OF DRUGS. What happen? Well, more and more young people take heavy drugs sooner... becuase the dealer who sells him marijuana will be the same person who will sell him cocaine, heroine and so on.
Look at Holland, for example. The medium age for heroine users has dropped from 25 in 1991 to 36, in 1996. This is REALLY good! Society is finally understanding that cannabis is as dangerous as tobacco (as you know, or SHOULD know, FAR mor mortal; noone has ever died from smoking pot, and believe, this is true).

I don't understand why people still call «drug» to anything but tobacco caffeine or alcohol. If we continue this lack of knoledge, what will happen next?

[Real American]

Wow man, you are so narrow minded on this!Drugs are an Eye-opener. What medical purpose does LSD have? Does medicinal marijuana really work? Where do you get your information?people who use drugs are dumb. what a scientific and unbiased fact/statement. please, please show me the evidence you have to support this claim, besides government propaganda.Actualy, I am one of those people that are a perfect canidate to talk to others about drugs. Started in my freshman year of high school I began smoking weed. In my Jr. year I tried LSD. That gel stuff you kids play with today was just comming around then. We had little stamp like hits and eye droppers. Continued smoking weed and taking acid for a year or so after school. Then, while living in Corpus Christi and working at the biggest night club there, I tried cocaine. At this point in my life, if you were partying in downtown CC, you knew who I was. I went by the name SinBad. My habbit turned into an 8-ball a day. During this time my wife and I learned exactly how much we loved each other. Tired of the loser the drugs had turned her husband into, my wife gave me an ultimatum. Either quit the drugs, or we were over. With her being the love of my life, and my son begining to be aware of what was around him, I chose my family. I quit using drugs right then and there. There was no withdraw. There were no weeks of trying. It happened in a matter of minutes. As a survivor of mind altering drugs, I can speak first hand at their destructive abilities. Don't lecture me on being narrow minded. Don't call me biased.

Oh, and this was just stupid. noone has ever died from smoking pot, and believe, this is true You are right, they died of lung cancer. In a study, scientists from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) found that tar in marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of substances called hydrocarbons than tar from tobacco smoke does. These hydrocarbons are a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. It does cause cancer. Get educated or hush!

[God]

what needs to happen is this. legalize and regulate the psychedelic drugs, because many people use these for spiritual/religious purposes, and thus some government law isn't going to stop them from using them.

as for narcotics, have a system much like the old 1920s did, where if you were an addict, you went to your doctor, he prescribed the drug for you, and also would offer you a chance to join a reduction-cure treatment. the crime rate was MUCH lower back then, because there wasn't a large black market. addicts are sick people that our government preys upon. they are the niggers of our society.

as for alcohol and tobbaco, alcohol is as bad as heroin in some cases, and all the alcohol advertisements should be removed and banned from all mediums (TV, magazines, radio), much as tobbaco ads have been banned in TV and radio.

all in all, the so called 'drug war' is a massive failure, because it has refused to deal with the problem with compassion. it is a medical problem, not a criminal one, and the longer people ignore this fact, the worse it will all get.

[lunar forest]

wow, God, I really agree with you. What a good idea you on the supposed "drug problem." I guess that's why you are a god, and I am not. ;)

[God]

ha, thanks

[Ocean Byrd]

One more thing: Are you saying that people older that 44 aren't able to see that drugs are bad? What if I am 42, would that make a difference that drugs are bad? Would that make a difference that people using drugs are dumb?

No, I'm WAS saying that the 60's weren't all about drugs; I was responding to your "60's effect" comment. I never said anywhere that you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, just to not be ignorant. Hey, that's a good quote if you reword it...

"Age does not bring opinon, only enlightenment." I dunno, needs tweaked...

Oh, and this was just stupid.

noone has ever died from smoking pot, and believe, this is true

You are right, they died of lung cancer. In a study, scientists from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) found that tar in marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of substances called hydrocarbons than tar from tobacco smoke does. These hydrocarbons are a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. It does cause cancer. Get educated or hush!

Honestly, I have never heard of anyone getting lung cancer from marijuana use alone. Also, people smoke marijuana less than they would cigarettes; statistics mean absolute shit dude.

Oh, and that's too bad that you had that painful experience with drugs; but realize, they didn't cause you to continue doing them. If you quit in minutes, then it's obvious you could have stopped anytime you liked, so don't lecture us about opinions that were formed from a blind standpoint.

[Kitaro]

Honestly, I have never heard of anyone getting lung cancer from marijuana use alone. Also, people smoke marijuana less than they would cigarettes; statistics mean absolute shit dude.

True. Statistics have no power against that.

[lunar forest]

I'm going to have to agree that the drugs themselves were not the problem for you, and certainly not the weed. It was your misuse of them. Many people do misuse them, no one will argue that, but many people misuse alcohol, and pain killers, and they are not inherently evil, either.

[Real American]

all the alcohol advertisements should be removed and banned from all mediums (TV, magazines, radio) No no, that would be censorship and that's not right...correct? Besides, Lunar Forest's children would rebel against their authorities and wouldn't be happy. I do however agree with your ideas. The best thing though would just to elemenate all use of the drugs. But that will never happen.

I never said anywhere that you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, just to not be ignorant. Ok, so I'm ignorant until I hit the age of 44?

statistics mean absolute shit dude Nobody said anything about statistics. But now that you mention it, statistics is a valuable way to gather information. How do you think they test drugs for medicianl purposes. How do you think they get the "most common side effects".

they didn't cause you to continue doing them. No, an inaminent object can't force me to do anything. However, the drugs are addicting. One must posses the will power to stop sing. In most cases statistacly speaking users are unable to just walk away. Bigger point being is the drugs do nothing of benifit for me or my family. Using the drugs do not make you money. They don't make you smarter( to use this one on you): I have never heard of anyone doing better in school or work from smoking weed. They don't pay your bills legaly(of course unless you are a rebelious person who likes breaking the law).

Point is to you, the use of drugs other than for medicinal purposes are a waste. They do nothing for you. You can argue all you want about weed not causing health problems. I'll look at the facts while you assume. Oh yeah, and show me where you have heard that drugs had a posative effect on a person when taken recreationaly.

[lover/young_peace]

drugs. to each his own.

[Ocean Byrd]

Ok, so I'm ignorant until I hit the age of 44?

You don't take hints, do you? I was commenting on your statement about the 60's unexplainable magic being caused by some drug-induced delirium. I was saying that if you didn't live in a time period, you can't say anything about what went on during it. Get it now?

Nobody said anything about statistics.

Ahem...

You are right, they died of lung cancer. In a study, scientists from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) found that tar in marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of substances called hydrocarbons than tar from tobacco smoke does. These hydrocarbons are a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. It does cause cancer. Get educated or hush!

Looks like you were inciting statistics to me...

No, an inaminent object can't force me to do anything. However, the drugs are addicting. One must posses the will power to stop sing. In most cases statistacly speaking users are unable to just walk away. Bigger point being is the drugs do nothing of benifit for me or my family. Using the drugs do not make you money. They don't make you smarter( to use this one on you): I have never heard of anyone doing better in school or work from smoking weed. They don't pay your bills legaly(of course unless you are a rebelious person who likes breaking the law).

Point is to you, the use of drugs other than for medicinal purposes are a waste. They do nothing for you. You can argue all you want about weed not causing health problems. I'll look at the facts while you assume. Oh yeah, and show me where you have heard that drugs had a posative effect on a person when taken recreationaly.

Wow, where do you get your "facts", Freevibe? First of all, duh, a substance is not solely responsible for a person's inability to to do something for themselves. Marijuana is not addicting, habit forming, but not addicting; I have no idea why you got into coccaine, but it's good you were able to quit. But that brings me to the question: Why were you able to quit when your wife threatened to leave you, but not when you wanted to? I have come to the conclusion that you had some kind of issues going on in your life, and so you cannot blame drugs for your misfortune; that's just plain ignorant/dumb.

Second, I never said pot made me smarter, I said it helped me to concentrate. My cousin, who has ADD, gains the same benefit, except he pulls off better grades. I, unfortunately, have only started having problems with my attention issues, and thus have not been able to develope a way to cope with them. I do, however, find that I produce far better (I produce without chemical substances also, of course) while I'm high. In fact, I began acing my tests without studying again; something I haven't been able to do for the past two years.

I know many people that use drugs as a goal; earn a certain grade and you can smoke, etc. Oh, and I didn't give this example in my last post because I assumed you were an intelligent and open minded individual (of which you are making me question), but I have a friend who has a 4.0, a job, tons of friends and lots of stuff going for her (vocal artist and actor may be in her future), and she conquered her depression; she smokes pot at least once a day, everyday. Now, just because you've never heard of these benefits, doesn't mean they don't exist; just like your tar statistics.

Thirdly, I can't believe you even typed that last paragraph. I know there are health problems that come with marijuana use; sure, it's bad for your lungs, but you can stop smoking it, or eat it if you really want to. Tell me, what other "facts" have you heard? I also didn't say that there are positive effects when drugs are taken recreationally; I said that I used it recreationally and responsibly, but not that there were positive effects.

Finally, come one, I'm 16 years old and I know more about a subject where you claim to have spent several years in the middle of. Do us all a favor and stop spreading propaganda; it only pisses people off because yet another conformist puppet is flashing his/her ignorance. Try to speak like an individual, oh, and:

Get educated or hush!

*gets off soap box*

[Real American]

I never said anywhere that you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, just to not be ignorant. To rephrase that and say the same thing, you state: "I never said you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, you just have to be a certain age to not be ignorant". That's the same thing you said reworded.

if you didn't live in a time period, you can't say anything about what went on during it. You are one to talk aren't you. Guess you being 16 you must have lived in a previous life in the 60's wich gives you the right to talk about it.

The statistics you think I mention aren't an average out of testing. They aren't saying that on average marijuana tar has more hydrocarbons(wich then would be considered a statistic)...they are saying that marijuana tar does have more hydrocarbons always.

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I said it helped me to concentrateLoL..so you are dependant upon it to concentrate? Sounds addictive. In your own words, just because you haven't heard about it being addictive, doesn't mean that it isn't. Biggest thing on addictive substances, the user most of the time doesn't realize they are addicted. Of course, because you brought up friends and their relationship with the drug. I have friends that openly admit that they are addicted to it. They tried going a day without smoking and failed. But I know, you are 16 with years of experience and surpass my limited knowledge.

Why were you able to quit when your wife threatened to leave you, but not when you wanted to? I quit when I wanted to. The reaon I didn't quit before that was because I didn't want to. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Me using the drug affected my relationship with my wife. It affected my reality, as all drugs do. I quit because I loved my family more than the drug and made up my mind that I did not need it.

In fact, I began acing my tests without studying again; something I haven't been able to do for the past two years.I, unfortunately, have only started having problems with my attention issues, and thus have not been able to develope a way to cope with them.Second, I never said pot made me smarter, I said it helped me to concentrate Way to many contradictions there. Even in your fight for the right to smoke, you screw up and proove my point.

I said that I used it recreationally and responsibly, but not that there were positive effects. And yet, here we are again.....
In fact, I began acing my tests without studying again; something I haven't been able to do for the past two years. Looks like you are using it for scholastic purposes now. Do I have to requote you on your positive effects that you say you didn't say?

Finally, come one, I'm 16 years old and I know more about a subject where you claim to have spent several years in the middle of. Looks as if I just knocked you off your soap box.

it only pisses people off because yet another conformist puppet is flashing his/her ignorance. Yeah, I'm a puppet. Grow up little one, I talk from experience. Also my young comunist, if we all rebeled and didn't conform in some way, imagine how unstable and chatoic this world would be. It would be worse.

*offers hand to help you back on your feet...levels soap box....helps you climb back on*

[Pobble]

errm- just to clarify here- it is the leaves of the cannabis plant which are five times more carciogenic then tobacco. however, what is mainly smoked is hash- or the resin and bud, which is less carciogenic than tobacco.

also, cannabis is not addictive, but it can become a habit like biting your fingernails when stressed

[Ocean Byrd]

You are one to talk aren't you. Guess you being 16 you must have lived in a previous life in the 60's wich gives you the right to talk about it.

Oh wait, I didn't talk about how the 60's were all about drugs. God damn boy, can't you think about something before mouthing off about it? I said that they weren't all about drugs, which is more than likely true, as compared to what you stated.

LoL..so you are dependant upon it to concentrate? Sounds addictive. In your own words, just because you haven't heard about it being addictive, doesn't mean that it isn't. Biggest thing on addictive substances, the user most of the time doesn't realize they are addicted. Of course, because you brought up friends and their relationship with the drug. I have friends that openly admit that they are addicted to it. They tried going a day without smoking and failed. But I know, you are 16 with years of experience and surpass my limited knowledge.

Obviously, you are illiterate:

Second, I never said pot made me smarter, I said it helped me to concentrate... I do, however, find that I produce far better (I produce without chemical substances also, of course) while I'm high.

And I've been clean for 3 weeks as of now (I smoked at a graduation party, not mine, but that was the last time before I was ticketed). I only bought maybe once a month, every other month, before hand; I controlled the use. Also, addiction implies that you suffer withdrawl, physical addiction; you don't get that from marijuana alone. However, it is habit forming, which means that it is psychologically addicting, but willpower is something that easily combats that. Your friends (and you, when you were doing coccaine) did not possess enough to stay clean; I can stay sober for 6 months or however many years I need to, if I really desired. But, I'm not noticing any negative impact, so I continue to use pot recreationally; but not right now, I'm on UAs.

And, obviously, my 16 years of experience does surpass your limited knowledge as I realize that there is such thing as responsible drug use. Saying that anyone who uses drugs has a problem is rather ignorant; just because you struggled doesn't mean others don't. I guess your philosophy for addictin applies to your ignorance, also; "Ignorance is bliss."

I quit when I wanted to. The reaon I didn't quit before that was because I didn't want to. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Me using the drug affected my relationship with my wife. It affected my reality, as all drugs do. I quit because I loved my family more than the drug and made up my mind that I did not need it.

No, your drug use was out of hand; an 8-ball a day? That's hardly what I'd call responsible. See, YOU had a problem.

Way to many contradictions there. Even in your fight for the right to smoke, you screw up and proove my point.

There are no contradictions; if you had the ability to assess information and put it together you'd realize that I was saying that I was paying better attention in class and thus absorbing and retaining the information better, allowing me to do better on the tests without studying. Pot is only a temporary way of dealing with my attention problems. But, then again, I'm the one who is wrong because I'm trying to defend my reasons for smoking pot... right?

Looks like you are using it for scholastic purposes now. Do I have to requote you on your positive effects that you say you didn't say?

Maybe positive effects that I received, I never said that everybody benefited in the same way. Some people can't write a coherent sentance while stoned, much less write an entire essay, like I have.

Looks as if I just knocked you off your soap box.

Nope, but you did make me waste some time on areas where you failed to read correctly and actually realize what I was trying to say.

Yeah, I'm a puppet. Grow up little one, I talk from experience. Also my young comunist, if we all rebeled and didn't conform in some way, imagine how unstable and chatoic this world would be. It would be worse.

Hey, I'm commenting on your narrow mindedness, not telling you that everyone should do drugs to stick it to the man. For being however many years older than me, you sure don't act grown up; not to mention the fact that you feel that my free thinking makes me communist. I may believe in a few of the concepts (sharing land, sure, but not universal pay and predetermined jobs), but I actually don't identify with any type of government. I guess I'm more counterculture than I realized... Oh well, I guess what I'm trying to say is that you talk a lot, but don't say very much.

[Psilodelix]

Real American, guess what buddy, you're one of those people who take a psychedelic (lsd in your case) to "see pretty colors and giggle"(visceral experience, the mental was wasted on you)... I am 100% sure that you never experienced what it REALLY means to TRIP. You're a wannabie!



Not every ‘rock star’ that dropped acid became Leary, Watts, or even Lennon



Since you've never experienced it, all of your arguments are doomed to a world of irrelevance to everyone who reads them... they all take place in the world of the great delusion… It’s got amazing membership statistics… how do I know you didn’t get it? I need no proof other than the way you speak of life and the way you make arguments.



To say that human beings should never change their brain chemistry is a completely hypocritical and shows a complete lack of understanding for what makes-up our reality.



When people “ascend” to “heaven” how do you think that works? Does their “soul” physically fly to some place!?!?! Hahahaha, of course not…. To ascend to heaven is referring to the profound heightening of the consciousness upon death. Why do you think people who have “near death experiences” come back with a new found wisdom/enlightenment? It is because similarly with mind expanding drugs… the difference between you and god is only perspective and knowledge. Consciousness

[lunar forest]

RA, Do you have a problem with all drug treatmeants of problems such as ADD and ADHD? Or just the ones that your govormeant says are naughty? If smoking weed helps this man with his problems, than we should thank the gods! He is not harming anyone, not even himself, and he is able to help himself. It may seem silly to you, but if you had ever truely experienced it, or loved someone who is(or pareted someone who is!) than you would rejoyce with this young man when he saiad that this helps him! This is so much better than getting those nasty perscription drugs that just surpress, and oppress the person!

I am so glad you for, OB, and your friend for finding something to help you concentrate, I know where you are coming from, man!

[daturastolemysoul]

this whole argument between "real_american" and "ocean byrd" is just absolutly redicules. i mean come on, for one thing, i personaly am a huge drugs user, i smoke pot maybe 5 or 6 times a day and have been for the past few years on and off, and i have to say that there are deffinetly physical responses to the chemical thc not being in my system. if i dont smoke for a day i get extreamly irritable and pissed off, things loose clarity and i am often hit by bouts of consfusion. and hey im not saying drugs are bad hell i love drugs, but you just need to acctually get your facts strait in order to critisis someoneselses facts. for one things pot is physical addictive they even proved it recently with NEW STUDIES, yup thats right people come out with new information about this stuff all the time, so you may have read somewhere on the internet last year the pot is not addictive but that could be outdated today, they have come up with the theory that since thc is stored in you fat it low amounts of thc are released into you blood even when you are not smoking thus taking you off the drug slowly, reducing physical effects. and your wrong about addiction you said that "Also, addiction implies that you suffer withdrawl, physical addiction; you don't get that from marijuana alone." and this is just not true, adicction has to do with anything that effects your everydaylife drastcally, so no physical addiction is required to make you an addict. I personally would say that i was and am addicted to mushrooms, this may seem like an odd thing to be addicted to but its as serious as anything else.
and one more thing you are complaining that this "real american" is feeding you propaganda yet you yourself are having liberal propaganda being shoved down your throughts and doing the same to others, just because the ideas are liberal does not mean that they are not propaganda. yup
and hey i think that your points are valid. just read somemore books. new ones hehe
yup

[God]

To sum it all up,

Don't blame a drug for the stupidity of it's user.

[Real American]

Ocean Byrd...you contradicted yourself and your beliefs over and over. All I did was point them out. If your brain is to screwed up from the drug use to see that well then im sorry. I took everything you said and quoted you. Several times you would say "it doesn't make you smarter" then say, it helped me or it helped my friend in school. I can go on and on, fact is, you wont see the truth until you grow up.Lunar Forest...you have to be one of the slowest people I have ever talked to. I clearly stated in several posts that i agree with drug use for medicianal purposes. Does that in your world mean I am against it? Oh, and one more thing, perhaps you should get a job with Baylor or another Big Medical school so you can start teaching them the ways of research. Because I am sure they have never tested the use of marijuana to help that stupid problem called ADD or ADHD. They have people testing new ideas and drugs daily on every freaking known disease and problem out there. Chemists, Doctors, Scientists, Mathmaticians....practicaly every valuable field of expertise is donating their knowledge to studies all over to make your life better. But then, from your previous posts, I'm sure you and your family have decided that those people striving to make your life better are funded by "the man" and are secretly creating ways to get inside your brain and controle your actions and thoughts. That's right, I'm refering to you mentioning that your kids would rebel against authority. you are certainly not my son! No sir! My son would question his "athorities" far more than you! Way to teach and promote rebelion.

It may seem silly to you, but if you had ever truely experienced it, or loved someone who is(or pareted someone who is!) than you would rejoyce with this young man when he saiad that this helps him! My wife was diagnosed with it, her parents decided the doctor was crazy, she is fine and has always been fine. Yeah, it's a strange new idea and theory that has evolved recently...the idea of spending time with your children and giving the the love and attention they need and desire.

Honestly, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I think it is important that you read what daturastolemysoul has to say. He is here saying it is addictive. OH MY GHOSH!!!! Let me ask you this...if these drugs you think are ok for your body and don't harm you...don't you think they would still be legal? Oh wait, I'm sure you have a conspiracy theory for that as well.

[Psilodelix]

Real American, you truly are an idiot.



I think it is an interesting choice of name for yourself, Real American... I'd say that it suits you quite well, in fact, it sums it all up. You are so desperately lost in the great delusion… Why don’t you get off the computer and go watch FOX news, I mean… so you can collect some more FACTS.




Pathetic. Obviously wisdom is not GUARENTEED with age.

-PsDX

[Ocean Byrd]

Ocean Byrd...you contradicted yourself and your beliefs over and over. All I did was point them out. If your brain is to screwed up from the drug use to see that well then im sorry. I took everything you said and quoted you. Several times you would say "it doesn't make you smarter" then say, it helped me or it helped my friend in school. I can go on and on, fact is, you wont see the truth until you grow up.Lunar Forest...you have to be one of the slowest people I have ever talked to. I clearly stated in several posts that i agree with drug use for medicianal purposes. Does that in your world mean I am against it? Oh, and one more thing, perhaps you should get a job with Baylor or another Big Medical school so you can start teaching them the ways of research. Because I am sure they have never tested the use of marijuana to help that stupid problem called ADD or ADHD. They have people testing new ideas and drugs daily on every freaking known disease and problem out there. Chemists, Doctors, Scientists, Mathmaticians....practicaly every valuable field of expertise is donating their knowledge to studies all over to make your life better. But then, from your previous posts, I'm sure you and your family have decided that those people striving to make your life better are funded by "the man" and are secretly creating ways to get inside your brain and controle your actions and thoughts. That's right, I'm refering to you mentioning that your kids would rebel against authority. Way to teach and promote rebelion.

I prefer marijuana over amphetamines, thank you. Hell, I wasn't even diagnosed ADD or ADHD, but I do know I have difficulty concentrating. I mean, I'm fairly intelligent, I just have problems connecting all of my thoughts. Also, I never said it made me smarter (for the second time), I said it HELPED me and a friend of mine CONCENTRATE; concentration =/= smart/intelligent.

Honestly, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I think it is important that you read what daturastolemysoul has to say. He is here saying it is addictive. OH MY GHOSH!!!! Let me ask you this...if these drugs you think are ok for your body and don't harm you...don't you think they would still be legal? Oh wait, I'm sure you have a conspiracy theory for that as well.

That's funny, because marijuana was made illegal because some guy claimed that it made people commit violent crimes and murder people; go to friendlystranger.com to check out some info on it. I just find it ridiculous that marijuana is still Schedule I in the U.S.; that means that it has NO known medicinal use, when it's legal for medicinal use in 9 states... one of which is the state I live in, heh. And finally, I have formed the opinion that you are just trying to piss people off and should be ignorned.

Oh, and daturastolemysoul, I've always considered addiction to be physical addiction and habit forming to be the stuff where you crave the drug, not feeling naseuous or cold and getting the shakes and all that other fun stuff. Also, I didn't read books, I researched for several hours (before even trying pot, call me overly cautious) over a span of about 10 sites, including Erowid and WebMD. I got most of my knowledge from Erowid, but I'll try to keep up to date on my knowledge.

[daturastolemysoul]

befor i ever smoked pot i read 3 or 4,one thousand page books on the topic. and once again give this real amarican guy a break. LIBRAL PROPAGANDA IS STILL PROPAGANDA
i hate fucking blind liberals
at least this real amarican guy has the balls to come up with his own ideas through experience instead of you the self perclaimed all knower from a few hours of looking at erowid. and who the hell cares what you think the definition of adiction is, you can say that a turtle is a duck, but it sure as hell is still a turtle, and that doesent change nomatter what you call it.
period.

[lover/young_peace]

its easier to die from asprin than pot.... all ya gotta do is empty the really big bottle in your mouth and swallow!

hee hee no i just thought id say that. i want someone to attack me. i want somebody here to tell me im a communist and then somebody else to tell me im a government agent...

ok now im just pissin everybody off so I'll stop...

no but really as long as ya dont hurt anybody else, to each his own. if the drugs hurt you well no shit ya got yourself to blame. but ya shouldnt be put in jail for it. do what you wantta. everybody has got their reasons and it dont matter why or how you do/dont do drugs... its ya own life and as long as it stays ya own life and not gettin messed up in others lives then shit do what ya want.

yeah so thats my stance on the matter. okay go at me now. i am feeling like an asshole today...if thats possible.... :)

[Ocean Byrd]

I'm not spreading propaganda, I'm spreading personal experience; I don't say that drugs do society good, I just say that they don't do the things people make them out to do. I was giving RA a break until he started attacking my reasons for using drugs. Hell, the whole thing started because he said that you feel the magic of the 60's by doing drugs, which I didn't like because I knew it wasn't true as the 60's weren't all about drugs... I just got annoyed and then he attacked me for saying that he was being rather ignorant.

[lover/young_peace]

this calls for a

PEACE TREATY!!!!!

[Ocean Byrd]

Indeed, I don't like to give up; if the argument continues, I'll be sure to follow... I can't help it, lol.

[Real American]

Ocean Byrd, everything I have said I have stood by. I simply take what you say and throw it in your face. I believe it was you who told me that because I wasn't alive in the 60's that I can't realy know, and yet, you make statements like this: because I knew it wasn't true as the 60's weren't all about drugs Every single one of your posts contradicts something you have said.

To end this debate I say this. The 60's in and of itself were essentially based on sex, drugs, and rock&roll. Coupled with that were groups forming to protest something. You want the "magic" of the 60's to return?? Have more sex, take more drugs, and pick up an instrument and turn it into art(or turn your sex and drug use into art as well).

I'm willing to bet that most here(other than the older generation that were actualy alive during the time) don't know when this "60's lifestyle" began and ended. I can assure you it wasn't in 1960 and 1970.

[MichaelByrd1967]

That kind of artsy lifestyle was always around in some shape and form. It's just that in the 60's and early 70's, it was in the mainstream. It's still here today, especially on these forums, but it's not as widely recieved as it was back then.

What I think we represent, is just more passion and emotion put into music, art, etc. Nowadays, almost every pop act in the world, is in it for the money, and they have little to no talent, but they're attractive. And we all know the record companies' motto don't we? Sex sells. That's right, sex and only sex sells. Nobody cares about the music. But when a band comes along that sounds talented or emotional but looks like hell, & the radio stations pick the one song that became a hit for this band, and play it to DEATH!~!~!~! Therefore, the record companies can make people sick of this band with the one song, and get a new act out that is sexy, but untalented. Once again, draining the chances of a talented act to get a recording contract.

Which is why if we can get a steady flux of talented bands and musicians to start playing, the record companies will finally come to their senses and start signing some talented bands, and not overplay their one hit song on the radio to death. That's is what I want to do to try and bring back the 60's lifestyle to a wider audience. But do the rest of you have to say?

[lunar forest]

Ok, RA, I'm sick of your preconseptions about the people here. You have not truely read anything that I have said, and I see that you have no desire to know what I think, or hear anything the differs from your personal comfort level. So I'm not going to continue arguing my point.


Just a few things before I leave. Questioning athority is vital for any person, and has NOTHING to do with rebelion. However, rebelion can be healthy too, we all need to assert our indepenance, and induviduality! And as my final statement (not that it matters, but I thought it may make a difference in some people's minds) I do not do any drugs, legal or other wise!!!! I do take herbs, and natural remedies, and I do inclued weed in that catogory (though I don't do it now.)

Please, RA, for your own sake, look out side of your little box once and a while!

[Kitaro]

Oh my God, again that experience mania... yeah, you're right, daturastolemysoul, it irritates me when I see those guys who apearantly know everything and tquickly you find out that they've never smoked it. But pleaaase, just because they didn't smoke doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.


Just thinking... we're arguing THIS much just because a humble plant? Leave it alone, it won't bite you... :confused: unless you want it to bite you... ^^

[lunar forest]

Oh my God, again that experience mania... yeah, you're right, daturastolemysoul, it irritates me when I see those guys who apearantly know everything and tquickly you find out that they've never smoked it. But pleaaase, just because they didn't smoke doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.


Just thinking... we're arguing THIS much just because a humble plant? Leave it alone, it won't bite you... :confused: unless you want it to bite you... ^^You're not talking about me, are you? Well, if you are let me clearify. I said that I dont do pot NOW. I didn't say that I've NEVER done it!!! My goodness, I'd be a little silly to open my big mouth if that were the case (though, my points would still be valid!) Sorry if I confused anyone! ;)

[Experience Haze]

both ocean byrd and real american suck, nobody wants to hear you two bitch at each other! now, back to the topic. why dont people just chill out now-a-days, love each other. love IS magic:) thats how i see it, just a lot of love back in those days, too bad i missed it... LET'S BRING IT BACK!

[Real American]

Ok, RA, I'm sick of your preconseptions about the people here. You have not truely read anything that I have said, and I see that you have no desire to know what I think, or hear anything the differs from your personal comfort level. So I'm not going to continue arguing my point. I have no preconceptions of anyone here. Everything I said in my first post was my own opinion, just like everyone elses. After that, I posted in replies to others. If you yourself come up in a post of mine, it is because you said something that I felt important to highlight. Most of those important things are times when people contradict themselves. Also, If i did not want to see other peoples pov's, I wouldn't be here. What you should do is take some of your own advice and listen and learn. Several times I have tried to get this topic back on topic, yet I keep having to reply to un-needed comments. Like yours right now.

Questioning athority is vital for any person, and has NOTHING to do with rebelion. However, rebelion can be healthy too, we all need to assert our indepenance, and induviduality!Well, remeber that when your child has rebelled against you, err I mean, when he questions your authority, don't be mad at him, because you said it's ok right here.

MichaelByrd1967:
Even back in the 60's people created bands and made music for money. There may have been a few more groups than today that did it strictly for the love of music and art, but for the most part, money was always involved and always will be. As far as saying most new bands dont have talent, well, I have to disagree. Perhaps you don't like their music, doesn't mean someone out there won't. I myself listen to all types of music and personaly can't stand music that has people screaming at the top of their lungs. A few of my friends however love that kind of music. As far as playing a song over and over, well, they do it because people love to hear it. It's also advertisment for that wonderful idea of capitolism.

Experience Haze:
I personaly don't want to see you complaining about our debate. However, this is a free forum open to discus whatever. So, in that same idea, you can join in on the debate, or hush.

Again, as for the magic of the 60's they will never return. With time comes change, nothing ever stays the same. I said it before and I'll say it again. Start using the "sex drugs and rock&roll" theory more in your life to get that fealing back.

[lover/young_peace]

whats wrong with sex,drugs,and rock & roll ?!?!?!?

[lunar forest]

You know, I wasn't around in the 60's, so I honestly cannot say what is was like. I hear it was great, and I think we need another movment like it in our own time. We need love, and peace. Not just the nonwar kind of peace, but peaceful people, peaceful living, nonviolence in every part of our lives! That was the goal and ideal of the 60's hippie movement, to the best of my knowledge. I think that is something we can all agree that we want to see in our life time, and that of our children, no?

Peace and love, it's so simple.

[SvgGrdnBeauty]

You know, I wasn't around in the 60's, so I honestly cannot say what is was like. I hear it was great, and I think we need another movment like it in our own time. We need love, and peace. Not just the nonwar kind of peace, but peaceful people, peaceful living, nonviolence in every part of our lives! That was the goal and ideal of the 60's hippie movement, to the best of my knowledge. I think that is something we can all agree that we want to see in our life time, and that of our children, no?

Peace and love, it's so simple.
hehe..yes indeed...

"Peace and love and harmony. Tell me how hard can it be? It's easy. Believe me."- "Eye to Eye"- Ringo Starr

[alice_d_millionaire]

man, i just read every post in here... what an ill tempered thread! well, being so young and naive ;), i wont dare to say anything, lest i be accused of being a druggie or a crabby old man. c'mon people, smile on your brother.

[Real American]

I hear it was great, and I think we need another movment like it in our own time. We need love, and peace. Not just the nonwar kind of peace, but peaceful people, peaceful living, nonviolence in every part of our lives! That was the goal and ideal of the 60's hippie movement, to the best of my knowledge. I think that is something we can all agree that we want to see in our life time, and that of our children, no? It's a great theory, but it will never happen. That's the way the world is. Obviously the idea behind the 60's movement didn't work either. The one thing I will point out is nothing is stoping you from having your "60's" all over again. As a matter of fact, lefties all over march against the war, burn the American flag, and practicly do everything that was done back then. I think it will never be the same again simply because a lot of people grew up and realized that this is life and that we all can't just get along.

Oh, and to this post :
whats wrong with sex,drugs,and rock & roll ?!?!?!? With you being 13, I seriously hope you aren't having sex and using drugs. If you are, go talk to your parents, you may not realize it, but they love you. Very disturbing statement.

[Ocean Byrd]

Oh, and to this post : With you being 13, I seriously hope you aren't having sex and using drugs. If you are, go talk to your parents, you may not realize it, but they love you. Very disturbing statement.

Who are you to dictate how other's should live their lives? Seriously dude, fuck you.

[Kitaro]

Lunar, my man, it wasn't for you! lol it was to daturastolemysoul (it actually was in the post, but whatever, screw it :))

[Psilodelix]

Socity told Real American what life was about, what it really means to be alive, and he belived them.
;)
Gullable...

[lunar forest]

Socity told Real American what life was about, what it really means to be alive, and he belived them. Hmmm, aperently. It is sad for him, and sad for the rest of the society who buys into that, and just shoots for the "american dream" because they are told that is the best they will ever get!

Of course we will never truely have peace, but we can make a difference and we can make things change! We can make OUR lives peaceful, and we can pass that on to our children. We can at least tell these (as dh would put it,) "brainwashed drones" that there is more than what they think there is. It seems that a good deal of people in this world who really cannot see past what they've been taught to believe, RA aperently one of them. Ha, or maybe they just don't want to. The unknown can be scarey, but it is the only way to change!

Wasn't it Ghandi who said "Be the change you wish to see in the world."?

[Real American]

Let me ask you...where did I say I was against peace? Where did I say I was against getting along with everyone? Lunar forest, you truely are dense. Seriously, from the first day I posted on these forums your peacful self has been all over me calling me a troll, crying, and complaining. You yourself proove that peace will never work. I mean hell, you call your self a hippie and yet your actins on here proove otherwise. In my last post I merely stated reality. The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies.

I said this:It's a great theory, but it will never happen.You said this:Of course we will never truely have peace
So tell me what it is that makes you better than me? As a mattr of fact, with your statement above, this could be said to you as well:Socity told lunar forest what life was about, what it really means to be alive, and he belived them.
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Gullable...You see what I am saying here? You attack me even on the thing we agree on. How stupid is that? Please, for your sake and your childrens sake, get your priorities straight. Nothing in any of my post suggests that society is where I found my information. I found it on expirience alone. You are living in a dream world to think that this whole world will live in peace right now. Of course, with my beliefs in God and what The Bible says, ther will indeed be a time of world peace. That will be when the Anti-Christ shows up and that will last for 7 years. So lunar forest, until you can make up your mind and stand on your own beliefs without jumping on yet another bandwagon(ie Psilodelix on his childish post) you need to stop posting. Oh, and for your last post, I would love for you to tell me what it is that you are talking about here:It seems that a good deal of people in this world who really cannot see past what they've been taught to believe Or maybe this is another one of those times that you opened your mouth and nothing but trash talking came out?

And finaly to Ocean Byrd:
Who are you to dictate how other's should live their lives? Seriously dude, fuck you. I love hypocrites. Way to be peacful there little boy. Anyways, if you support sex with children well then that is your own sickness. Don't come back and say "I don't support it" because your post here clearly states that anyone with a brain should be allowed to do what they want. With her being 13 she is just hitting puberty. To me, that would be a sad thing if she was already having sex. I made my post based on caring and concern, you made yours out of maliciousness. You too need to grow up.

Let's try to keep the topic where it is supposed to be. I feel the 60's idea was a failure. I feel people are currently trying to relive the 60's by copying what people did back then. I feel it will fail again. Your thoughts?

[lover/young_peace]

I didnt mean to disturb anyone.... ooops.

[Psilodelix]

Real American, that's just it "you don't GET IT"... There is nothing that makes me better than you! I just happen to be 1000% more in thouch with the purpose or "what life is about", and the purest path of life for a human. I'm 1000% more in touch with nature than you are or have ever been ever were and probably never will be... and don't speak to me about LSD, your expirence is worthless because you aparantly didn't take 1oz of insight away from the time you spent with it. This privlage which has enrighed my life and perspective is not exclusive to me... Im not the only "jesus", so to speak...

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"In my last post I merely stated reality. The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies."
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This is a rediclious statement!!!!! What are you thinking??? The "hippies" that were so prevalant in the 60's and early 70's.... first off, most were not enlightened, Whatever hippie culture that there was manifesting was squashed out through: 1. end of vietnam 2. lack of organization 3. The drugs and narcotics act 1972(severly restricted their vide)... anything that was left could not really stand up to a full on culture-war with the "white picket fence"WASP model of the american family. Trust me buddy your level of logic and consciousness is amazingly LARVAL.
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"I love hypocrites. Way to be peacful there little boy. Anyways, if you support sex with children well then that is your own sickness. Don't come back and say "I don't support it" because your post here clearly states that anyone with a brain should be allowed to do what they want. With her being 13 she is just hitting puberty. To me, that would be a sad thing if she was already having sex. I made my post based on caring and concern, you made yours out of maliciousness. You too need to grow up."
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Being peaceful does not mean you have to take whatever shit comes your way, just be non-violent about it. This entire paragraph is a fucking barel of monkeys. How the fuck are you going to argue conagitive liberties and the make a comparason to social sexual norms... and trying to emotion-up you argument by comenting about a 13 yea old girl... low... how old are you exactly? I'm not afraid if everyone knows how old/young I am because I'm not ashamed of this part of my life... why don't you post all your info, any pecker could come in an anoniomously fight for his view.


Why come on a thread called 'the magic of the 60s' when you are an bushie!!! You support the fucked war... You're so far gone we, can't even help you here... you're probably just to dumb... or you were abuseing the drug and it came back to bite you in the ass.

or just... Gulliable ;)

Nothing about any of my posts were childish, you simply can't make an argument with out adding an insult on top... everyone else then implements the same stratigy in a frantic pace of this amazing "cosmic cock-measuring" contest that were all having. You arguments are hollow... this is the guy who you always run into in weed circles and he'll be saying some really lame shit like "yo, pass the doobie man, huh..huuh.huhuhu..I'm so high...huhuh..huhu.hu..."

You took LSD 'to see pretty colors and giggle', didn't you... read my quote, it applys explicitly to you and yours. 'Just cause ya drove around the neighborhood once dosen't mean that you live there.'

have you ever smoked 5-MeO-DMT?
Psilocybin Mushrooms?
Mescaline/Peyote?
MDMA?
Reasearch Chems?
Cannabis (in 1/8 per week)?

-PsDX

[lunar forest]

The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies. LOL! I think we can all have a good long laugh at this one!!! We would all be hippies? Seriously? Is that what you think the movement was about? You are drasticly mistaken, ra! It was about the exact opposite! This is what I was talking about when I said .... a good deal of people in this world who really cannot see past what they've been taught to believe .... The hippie movement is about NOT conforming! It is about being free enough to be one's self, to be natural, to be in touch with the earth, to be respectful of nature, to QUESTION athorities - not to follow anything/one blindly, to be informed, to love and be loved, to live peacefully, etc. Certainly not to convince everyone to be like us! :rolleyes: The hippie movement had/has nothing to do with causing anyone else to be hippie!

[Nathan11]

You know, thank God that this forums was updated and now has the feature of IGNORE! RA, you are now put on ignore. WHO ELSE IS WITH ME?!?! :p


BTW, Kitaro, Lunar is a womyn.

You all take care.