The Magic of the 60s [Archive]

MarkN

06-04-2004, 05:39 AM

I LOVE you guys :) ......but sometimes ooooooooo I just want to shock you with some zappo paddles. LOL
This kind of fits into the yin/yang conversation. The sixtys were great! and the sixtys were bad. Along with the force of universal love we had a most worth oppoient. The establishment. The goverment shipping us off to a unjust war. Racial bigotry, Puritan sexual attitudes etc.

The sixties are over.

You have the same problems today.....no....you have even greater "cause" to have your own "movement". It could be much greater than the sixtys was.

The internet is a tool. A good source of info & communication, but your not going to have a revolution sitting at home typing on the keyboard. (Please understand, I not scolding anyone. Just trying to help.) An Internet movement, will be just that.....a movement on the internet. Not in real life.
This is not a video game. Those are your real live brothers & sisters getting killed and wounded over in Iraq. For what? Oil?

You all are aware of the apathy or the negitive of your generation. Your waiting on a "spark"??
YOU ARE THE SPARK!! everyone of you.
Don't wait on some Messiah Hippie to lead.
YOU be the leader.
What would I do if I were 17-30?
I might get a buddy and go down to the Army recruiting office. Just hang out outside the doors, maybe pull some guy beside that is going in to sign up. State your case to him. You might just make him think twice about joining. Ok, the next day maybe 2 other friends come. You guys could bring lawn chairs. Take 2 spaces in the parking lot in front of the recruitment office. All of you sitting facing the office...."watching". Print up some fylers. hand them out. Put them under windshield wipper blades. If the cops hassle you. Call the Media. Local TV stations, Newspaper. Get "them" intrested in what you have to say.

I agree with the poster that said that it starts "within".
Start by saying out loud......
THIS IS NOT A DRESS REHERSAL.......THE TIME IS NOW

repeat it.

just an idea I had.

lunar forest

06-04-2004, 05:43 AM

So well said, MarkN, your words inspire me! Now I've gotta find me some of those buddies!

tiki_god7

06-04-2004, 09:50 PM

I love that idea! also lacking in friends that have opinions strong enough to stand up for........
Personally I think everybody here is missing a key ingredient to the whole 60's revolution..........LSD was completely legal! It seems as thouhg it was an uncommon event to go toa show in the 60's and not find acid everywhere.......whether it be a garbage can filled with kool-aid spiked with lsd, candy circulating the crowd with a hit on it......or even balloons falling from the ceiling all containing a hit.........it was everywhere...and now it seems to be nowhere.......
I think our generation has been spoonfed bullshit from local officer D.A.R.E. that says what is ok to take and what is not.....its ok to take a pill containing god knows what chemicals as long as a pharmacist gives it to you...but ingesting a plant that grows from the ground is wrong....
I think the power of LSD is underestimated now....personally that had a HUGE influence on the 60's and I'd think that anybody that has had a psychedelic experience of any sort will agree with me

tiki_god7

06-04-2004, 10:03 PM

Another point I forgot to add..........musicians of the 60's didn't give a shit about being payed...they wanted to spread the love there music brings......nobody can put a price on that.........

Nowadays ticket pricing is ridiculous with all the added fee's so John CEO can by his ungrateful son the new mercedes suv that all the cool kids in school are driving...........

I've read stories where ticket pricing was based on the persons income....a wealthy business manager may pay ten bucks where a poor college kid got in for a dollar, or free.....or other events where it cost either the burning of a dollar, or paying 4..........

tiki_god7

06-04-2004, 10:06 PM

Another HUGE difference between then and now that I would think had a huge impact on the scene is now everybody is trying to put a price on what was once viewed as artistic beauty that can't have a dollar figure attributed to it...its meant to be shared with all.........

Now John Q CEO has to add all sorts of fee's to a ticket price so his ungrateful prep school son can drive his mercedes..........

I've read stories of 60's concerts that require you either burn a dollar or pay 4..........now everybody is trying to capitalize off what used to be handed out freely

lunar forest

06-05-2004, 02:51 AM

I think our generation has been spoonfed bullshit from local officer D.A.R.E. that says what is ok to take and what is not.....its ok to take a pill containing god knows what chemicals as long as a pharmacist gives it to you...but ingesting a plant that grows from the ground is wrong....
This is such a good point. Though, I don't think drugs are everything. I mean, call me radical, but I think we don't NEED drugs to do anything whether illeagle, or prescribed. We can change the world, start a revelution, bring peace through music - or what have you - without the aid of drugs. We don't need to alter anything but our thoughts and actions, and we don't NEED anything to do it! (Not that drugs don't help.)

I think what you said about music, tiki_god7, is where it's at. We need music that gives a damn! I mean, other than about getting paid and getting laid. There are VERY few bands/musicians who write about anything worth our time. Until that changes I don't see much changing.

Music is power!

tiki_god7

06-05-2004, 03:48 AM

I don't know...I find it personally hard to believe that a culture as materialistic, egocentric, and ethnocentric as our own will be able to open up, forget about themselves and experience the feeling that was so common in the 60's without the aid of some sort of psychotropic substance..........I know there are thousands of people capable of it but it seems as though they only get together at times of festivals or other tours or something of the sort.........but then I'm from the armpit of the midwest aka fargo northdakota/moorhead minnesota where people like that are a rare breed....

tiki_god7

06-05-2004, 03:55 AM

I don't know whats up here but it doesn't seem as though my posts are posting...if it happens to work out both time i apologize for having two entries saying the same thing

It is hard for me to believe that people in todays culture are too materialistic, egocentric, and ethnocentric to really let go, forget about themselves and really experience the loving comradery(that was a huge key in the 60's revoluion) without the aid of some psychotropic substance.....of course there are gatherings and festivals where people assemble that just are that way but the number of them seems to minute to really show like it did........it seems as though the masses are catching on that 'the dirty hippies now how to party' so more and more 'yuppies' are gathering becuase they no they can get as drunk as they want and stoned as they want and do as much coke as they want or whatever.....without big brother breathing over there shoulding reminding them not to......

There is a local minnesota band that tours the midwest, awesome jam band, all about spreading positive vibes and just kicking back and having a good time....I saw them again a few months ago and the scene is becoming over run by frat boys because they can get drunk and party....the band noted that it was the first time they had ever had a mosh pit at one of there shows...I was as amaised as them......

Day Dreamer

06-05-2004, 06:50 AM

The sixtys were great! and the sixtys were bad. Along with the force of universal love we had a most worth oppoient. The establishment. The goverment shipping us off to a unjust war. Racial bigotry, Puritan sexual attitudes etc.
"the government shipping us off to a unjust war.", "Racial bigotry","puritan sexual attitudes".... are you sure you're describing the 60's or the 2000's?
I feel it coming... revolution can't be far off. I would be protesting, but i'm 15, and everyone knows kids have no rights. Can't wait to turn 18...

lunar forest

06-05-2004, 07:17 PM

tiki_god7, you very well may be right, but I think a lot of those people won't except any drugs that their Dr.s didn't prescribe. Hmmmm.... Medical Marijuana to take the stick out of one's ass? Do you think it'll sell?

They are the same kind of people who didn't do drugs in the 60's.

lunar forest

06-05-2004, 07:22 PM

oh, and DD, you are so right! No one takes people "under age" seriously! Al I wanted when I was a teenager was to grow up so people could take me seriously. To tell you the truth, it doesn't get all that much better, though!

You can make somewhat of a difference, though. Just keep on trying! Spread the love around, that's the most anyone can really do!

MarkN

06-07-2004, 02:19 PM

LSD was ILLEGAL where I lived in the late 60's. That was just in the early 60's when timothy leary & those guys in Cal. were messing with it. Kids started winding up in mental insatuitions, and emergency rooms so they pasted a law. Yeah it was easy to get but I never had it fall out of the sky in ballons! lol
Acid is good for breaking barriers of close minded thinking. It opens your mind up to new ideas, and makes you an explorer of other social options. But it is not a tool of a "movement". Think about it. What was your greatest accoplishment on acid?? Yeah, me too. I mostly sat around in a dark room with a black light considering the amazing beuty of the "tracers" my cigarette made when I moved my hand. I think people had the idea that the 60's was one big acid trip. Like we did it daily or something. If that were the case, my typing now would look like this: ;lkjh aeoiuzd &^lkjh(*&^%:L?KJ.,kjhkjh. LSD is a good "recreational drug", but for me thats about it. So, if everybody did acid, you would just have a huge group of fucked up people for 8-10 hours. But I do agree everybody should try it once, maybe open a few doors and clear some cobwebs. But than again, its just my opion.;)

JosieJune

06-07-2004, 06:13 PM

The magic of the '60's still lives within all of us hippies...just waiting to be expressed.
It would be most helpful if the music industry adopted the hippie spirit again as world events have made it prime for a new hippie revolution...after all hippies do need their music!

Paz,
Josie

Magical Mystery Girl

06-07-2004, 08:40 PM

JosieJune

06-08-2004, 01:24 AM

Josie, you might want to listen to my band. We're doing exactly that. ;)

http://www.fluidrouge.com
Alo, Magical Mystery Girl! Thank you so much for sharing such beautiful music...i've been enjoying your music all morning now and could hardly wait to get back on here and let you know :)
Wish you could have seen my children dancing! 'Little Boy' is such a special song and i've been singing along to my little boys.
I'm new here...i've been kind of a lost hippie looking for a nice place to visit and i've found it. The site is so huge, i've been skipping around and was fortunate enough to see your pic earlier today in the members section...I thought to myself then what a beautiful human being and now i've crossed paths...:cool:
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing more!
I will happily pass it on!

~take care~

Paz,
Josie

lover/young_peace

06-08-2004, 04:11 AM

there are a few reasons the 60s cannot happen again

1. rock & roll has died. Yep. once people my age die out rock & roll will be a thing of the past. This new so-called-metal will not cut it. the basic message in new "rock"-if we are calling it that- is HATE. ( i hate myself, my family, women, gays, blacks, the entire world.) they say things like "im goin to cut you up stupid cunt just because i can" nobody knows what real music is like. Rock & roll is a natural drug. it makes you feel powerful when done properly, and gives you more courage and strength to make a change. Rock & Roll is the perfect sound for a revolution. Nowadays, the music has a feeling of every man for himself... damn it all to hell... who cares... etc. if this music does trigger a movement, it will not be a peaceful one.

2. drugs are now EVIL! yes i had to take DARE classes... and they're total bull. I have children in my schools thinking if you smoke one joint you will overdose & die. they really believe this. "come on," i explained,"it's easier to overdose on tylenol." guess what they said. "SHUT UP STUPID HIPPY." i would be happy to educate them because i do a lot of research, and have a fair amount of knowledge on drugs and drug related issues although i do not use (at least at my young age) what's worse... about a third of these kids do not know what acid is... ahhh... so the tolerance for drug use or any rebellion or behavior condemned by the authority is DANGEROUSLY LOW.

3. we have to do it our own way. I really cant properly explain this until i think it through some more... but i just have a feeling like my generation has to do it their own way. Maybe somebody can prove me right or wrong I just have this feeling that we cant copy the 60s.

4. hippydom is no longer tolerated. if you wear a shirt with a peace sign on the front you get death threats. i know from personal experience. rebellion is scorned by the young people as well as authority. they have all turned into conservative, brainwashed dronies happy to drop bombs on anyone who looks different

all we can do is try to spread love around. it may work in isolated areas but a widespread like the 60s movement is unlikely. maybe im not looking hard enough but i see no hope. this hellhole called suburbia is not reality. vibes are bad. i hope once im 18 i can travel the world & discover reality... but by then it may be too late. yes people the future looks grim. i wish i could live in the 60s... ive created a double-generation gap. i dont realate to those who lived in the 60s & were part of the movement because naturally they have more experience. that gap is unaviodable and natural. however i also cannot relate to my own generation (see numbers 1,2,4 above) . im a lost individual with so many theories but no plans for change.

in conclusion (and i apologize for length) if the world all goes to hell and it sucks even more than now (which is likely) i will take full blame. im not really responsible, but whatever, it might be fun.

good luck & peace to you all.

MichaelByrd1967

06-08-2004, 04:54 AM

There is no way that, we can have a time as fun and magical as the 60's, again. Unless we work for it. WE CAN DO IT! All it takes is a few things:

1. Put A Little Love In Your Heart.

2. Object To WHATEVER The Government Tells You Is Wrong.

3. Peacefully Protest, but don't be hypocritical.

4. Be Peaceful, and when somebody puts you down; smile and flash the peace sign at them.

5. Don't force anything on anybody. I'm sure most of us are anti oppression.

These are not laws, these are not guidelines, these are not rules. You won't be penalized or punished for breaking them. They are a tool for showing the world, how to live. The only way to live is in peace.

And peace you shall show them.

Magical Mystery Girl

06-08-2004, 06:21 AM

Alo, Magical Mystery Girl! Thank you so much for sharing such beautiful music...i've been enjoying your music all morning now and could hardly wait to get back on here and let you know :)
Wish you could have seen my children dancing! 'Little Boy' is such a special song and i've been singing along to my little boys.
I'm new here...i've been kind of a lost hippie looking for a nice place to visit and i've found it. The site is so huge, i've been skipping around and was fortunate enough to see your pic earlier today in the members section...I thought to myself then what a beautiful human being and now i've crossed paths...:cool:
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing more!
I will happily pass it on!

~take care~

Paz,
JosieJosie, thank you so much for your kind words. I am so happy you enjoyed our music! Nice to see young children enjoying it as well.

We're about to begin recording our first album and as soon as it's ready, I'll let you know. ;)

As for the board, yes it is pretty big. I've been browsing it for several months now and I still haven't seen even half of it. But it's such a warm community...very refreshing to be a part of.

Thank you again and share it with everyone you know who might enjoy it. :)

JosieJune

06-08-2004, 08:07 AM

Josie, thank you so much for your kind words. I am so happy you enjoyed our music! Nice to see young children enjoying it as well.

We're about to begin recording our first album and as soon as it's ready, I'll let you know. ;)

As for the board, yes it is pretty big. I've been browsing it for several months now and I still haven't seen even half of it. But it's such a warm community...very refreshing to be a part of.

Thank you again and share it with everyone you know who might enjoy it. :)
Absolutely! What a talented band!
And don't forget to let me know...I would be honored to buy your album!

See 'ya around!

Paz,
Josie

God

06-08-2004, 02:08 PM

damn, i'm almost sorry for starting this thread. I see a lot of us are really non-optimistic. yea, the world is pretty messed up, it has always been. It's getting better all the time, believe it or not. What was it, just 40 years ago, in some cities, it was illegal to go into the 'colored' section?

remember, revolution, one smile at a time.

lunar forest

06-08-2004, 07:51 PM

Well, I for one am glad that you started it. You're right, we need to be more optomistic! Nothing is going to happen if we don't believe that it will. The mind is a powerful tool, and it'll weigh you down if you let it!

Keep on smiling!

CalJam

06-08-2004, 11:22 PM

We don't have to lose the concept that once was, it is in most of our hearts to want to Share The land or to love our brother. The 60's were not only about the music but also about the ways we carried our heart felt voices to the world, the 60's are known for the Love generation and we still have it. It is just up to you the individual to carry the message still and not forget where we or your past brothers and sisters came from and went through. In this not so easy world now there are still a lot of good things and good people that never lost the vibe and even more now this world needs Love. Yeah it sounds corny but its true, back then all you needed was love. I got by some hardtimes by my brothers and sisters who shared the same feelings and ideas that we all are in this together and together we pick up our brothers and sisters when we fall. Don't give up the idea that we lost the feeling, I can't! It is what gets me by in this era. Peace In Music...

SvgGrdnBeauty

06-09-2004, 12:08 AM

Indeed...that is what I think is going to get us through this. The idea that we can live in love, the idea that we can find the inner light in ourselves and everyone. The principles of the 60s are alive in our hearts its true. I just hope it won't take long before we are able to make the world realize them again... :) Peace forever. All you need is love.....

"With our love we could save the world"- "Within You, Without You"- The Beatles; George Harrison

*Peace and Love*
Nicole

lover/young_peace

06-09-2004, 12:10 AM

Republican

06-15-2004, 08:18 AM

magic of the 60's?

I wasn't alive but from what I understand the 60's were a time when americans tryed to ruin the nation... Peace is good and all and I am all for it. but Its not worth letting our troops die... many people lost their lives in this war and the people of the 60's continued to protest... look at world war II every one supported the troops... that dosn't mean they suported the war.. but they didn't want the troops to die... people went through hell in 'nam and came back to a country where no one wanted them... I know alot about vietnam.. I represented them in model United Nations.. the country is poor and unable to suport its self It is living prof of the only problem with communism... corruption.. due to the geneva convention we would have been forced to help rebild the country if the war would have been ended. But because we pulled out we did not have to help and now the people live in poverty with no food and watter... mabe the 60's were a good time but im shure happy im not to blame for the suffering of a nation...

HippieDude1967

06-15-2004, 09:09 AM

The protesting helped bring back the troops sooner (meaning less deaths). The protesting did not cause anyone to die in Vietnam...

craftyone

06-15-2004, 11:56 AM

Oh yeah, Just give me a cuase, I have set a path, to live day to day letting noone stand in my way if you do I will find a way to make it work. let non stand before me and prevent a solution. To stand for common ground is to incite a revolution. One of my favorites is when your sleeping in your car and the man comes and asks you what r u doing here. (well I was sleeping) I tell you the hippie revolution is still strong the problem I feel is the lack of ambition to actually make a change by most. There are many of us who fight for dignity and self respect. I could go on for hours realy... I was raised on a small farm in North Dakota. The only thigng that ever change our situation was ourselves. Motivation and posstitive manefestation was our tool for survival. So In my fight I have created just days ago Crafty Trades http://wwwcraftytrades.com If you know any phamily that is in need of a place to post I will provide as much as I can. I am proud to promote alternative living. and not the one they sell in a book. For my crafty brothers and sisters I offer my free services. Classified adds, Photo albums, journals,links,news,forums,chat (to come very soon) I need your help to shape this for I am tring to build a community trying to link our crafty little lives together in hope we all may gather and cherish what we have built. This site is fully interactive pleas do not hesitate to post anything when you visit tis is yours as much as mine. Love your phamily...peace

Republican

06-15-2004, 07:50 PM

The protesting helped bring back the troops sooner (meaning less deaths). The protesting did not cause anyone to die in Vietnam...
yes this is true but decreased morale got people to kill themselves and to kill their friends... granted this also had to do with drugs but the morale and drugs together really messed up the soldiers..

the protesting did not directly kill aney troops.. but it did lower morale and you cant win a war with our morale.. more people died in the "peace" that followed after we pulled out..
south vietnamese soldiers were masicerd and children and women were slaughtered.. I should know my friends father was in the SVA (south vietnamese army).... He got out and came to america to excape..

sassure

06-16-2004, 03:18 PM

The point is that we live in a different ambience now, so the revolution must be unique.

In the '60s, groups like the Jefferson Airplane made music, smoked reefer, dropped acid, and slept with everyone and everything. Grace Slick has said that there were times when she didn't know if they had any money at all, even when they were famous. Most of the time they had no idea how much they were making, or what they had in the bank....they let the bean counters do that.

By the time groups like the Eagles came along, you have Glenn Frey and Don Henley saying that they would do it right, that they would make some serious money. Whoa....talk about a change.

2004? Are you kidding? Look at Madonna, the ultimate bean-counter-diva. Whereas in the '60s the music drove the cart and the money followed, now money drives the music, so that huge sucking sound you hear ain't just a windstorm over the prairie......

Real American

06-16-2004, 05:16 PM

MichaelByrd1967

06-16-2004, 05:47 PM

I think the reason why the 60's were so magical is that the music was new and joyous and original, and it freaked the kids out. Now everything freaking the kids out is scary and violent and angry.

My guess is, if we wanted to bring back a magical feeling into this world, it's gonna have to start with music. And it's already starting, with bands getting back to the basics (ex. Jet, The Strokes). Pretty soon, rap, pop and neo-metal will exhaust itself, and it'll be our chance to bring back some wholesome music.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/peace.gif

lunaluvcat

06-16-2004, 06:05 PM

I used to get really bummed out when I would dwell on the fact that I missed out on the sixties, but now I just focus on the truth that we should be thankful for phamily everywhere and know we all have a connection.

Republican

06-16-2004, 07:58 PM

the only thing IMHO that came out of the 60's was good music.. and with out the 60's music modern music would be alot diffrent and I may be a republican but i love rock. and even though the music was influenced by drugs for example "Lucey in the Sky With Dimonds" there still good... gotta luv u sum Betals. :p

and with out the music from the 60's we would have no korn, linkin park, disturbed, Hoobastank, blink 182, green day, switch foot, story of the year, well i could go on for days that would have not existed if the 60's hadn't.. I may not have perticulary liked the moovement but they new how to make a song.. or at least most of 'em..

oh and yea jet rocks I luv them it sounds like oldies.. I wuz listining to "be my girl" and my mom was in the car and she said "I dont rember this song" lol well it was a good thing she didn't because it was shortly after it came out lol..
I need 2 get their CD.

lunar forest

06-16-2004, 09:22 PM

Yeah, jet does rock! But, where's the message? Doesn't that have a lot to do with it? I mean, good music is awesome, and essential for life (can you tell I was raised by hippy musicians?) but what are they singing about? A hot mama? Come on, there is a whole hell of a lot more out there than getting laid. I'm sick of hearing nothing but how horney we are, or in love, or whatever! I mean, these things can make for great music, too, but we need more than that! I want to be inspired to do more than date! You know?

And yeah, the beatles totally rock! I'm listening to abbey road right now! "Bang, bang Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head. Bang, bang Maxwell's sillver hammer made sure that she was dead..." They had the right idea! Their music was contorverial, political, mindexpanding, and just plain fun! (Now, can you tell I'm a huge beatle's fan?!) There is more to music than just a good vibe, as vital as that vibe is!

Are you hearing me?

Real American

06-16-2004, 10:32 PM

Some of the music was bearable. I myself get tired of hearing music with riddles in it. I don't want to have to be high to understand it. Once again, this leads to the drugs they were on when they wrote the songs.

Republican

06-17-2004, 12:02 AM

jet sings about hot chicks and there is nuting wrong with that... gotta luv hot chicks so i see nutin wrong w/ it.

lunar forest

06-17-2004, 12:53 AM

I do agree, like I said: I'm sick of hearing nothing but how horney we are, or in love, or whatever! I mean, these things can make for great music, too, but we need more than that! I want to be inspired to do more than date! You know? It's just that there is so much more! When I listen to music I want to hear passion, and not just passionate love of the opposite sex. I think it's important to have music that makes us think about something other than that. Like politics, for example. I mean, in this time when so many young people aren't even registered to vote, it would make so much of a difference if our poets and prophets would speak on these things. I think Incubus (sp?) has the right idea!!

Am I totally off here?

Ocean Byrd

06-17-2004, 08:19 AM

Trust me, America has become conformist, so I dunno about the magic. Not to mention the music has gone to hell nowadays; but I think that it's possible to feel some of that energy if you have a group of friends that are into the same stuff as you. I, unfortunately, am not blessed with such.

MichaelByrd1967

06-17-2004, 06:56 PM

Jet does have a way of telling about the passion for the opposite sex, but there is also a passion for whatever you are talking about, which is what made music from the 60's so wonderful. Passion. Nowadays, it's all about the money. Metallica suing Napster, because they wanted money, not passionate about the music.

Anybody ever see 'Almost Famous'. The made up band Stillwater, were in it for the music, not the money.

'Although some money would be nice, to get by with. And the chicks are great!' - Jason Lee as Jeff Bebe from 'Almost Famous.

lover/young_peace

06-17-2004, 08:31 PM

i want somebody to love
yes i need somebody to love
i'd love somebody to love,
i better find somebody to love.

I guess the 60s are so great partly because they will never happen again. Once in a universe kind of thing.

i was born in the wrong decade but its okay. i can be upset about it , but until i get a time machine, it will do me no good....
im in a dream state right now i dont remember what im saying.

i just feel sad and cheated and let down

i feel ive failed before ive began

holy shit woman stop typing you make no sense....

NEVER! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo......

grendel 44

06-17-2004, 09:00 PM

;) Hey, Love/YoungPeace (sorry if I got that wrong). Don't be sad that you missed something from the past. You have a whole new future to look forward to and you CAN make a difference. You don't have to have lived the life of another time to have a good life of your own. I know our world today is not that wonderful, but you have to be at peace with yourself to enjoy life. Make the most of your youth and strength, get involved in something positive that may help our planet. Look at the flowers, not the weeds.

All you need is love and it's out there for you to find. Take it from an old hippie, life really ain't so bad.

grendel 44

06-17-2004, 09:11 PM

:rolleyes: Hey, Real American, what is your issue with drugs, were you there with the hippies? were you in Nam? You can't comprehend that people can get together in harmony without being stoned on something? That is really sad. It's OK though, you are entitled to your opinion.
Personally I was there and did not do drugs or smoke weed, but I was tolerant of those who did, they were usually OK to be around. Nowadays we have some pretty nasty chemicals that people are taking (crack, exctasy etc.) and I do not like being around those people.

Just out of interest, where do you stand on legalizing weed?

lunar forest

06-17-2004, 10:43 PM

Almost famous - I love that movie! It is one of my favorites, which is saying something because I usually only like "films" and often with subtitles. I think Almost famous is really insirational, at least it is for me!

daturastolemysoul

06-18-2004, 01:36 AM

its easy to sit at your computers and complain about how the 60's are over and how the magic has left the world, but are you getting out on the streets pushong for the counter culture movment? Are you getting beaten up by cops for acting like a mad man? hmmmmm yeah well see the counter culter movment of the late 60's and early 70's really wasent that huge, yeah there were people like ken keasy driving around in busses drinking acid where ever they went, but that really wasent that aparent. It makes me laugh that you are all being nastalgic instead of going out into the world and mixing it up alittle, if something pisses you off, GET PISSED OFF show them who the hell you are. Hippys were also not non-conformists in the sence that we think of it today, they were trying to start their own culture, they dident want to jsut be their own individuals, it was a movement, organisation was nessisary, a new conformity was created and nothing is wrong with that at all. What needs to be done in order for the "magic" of the 60's (I wont even get into my feelings about decade grouping) is that the youth needs to openly rebel agaist the organised society and form thier own reality, who knows what that is going to look like but there needs to be something to bind them. NOW GO GET YOURSELF SOME DAYGLOW PAINTS! PAINT YOUR FACES AND FREAKOUT IN THE STREAT!
YAYAAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYA

DazedDreamer

06-18-2004, 02:36 AM

yes oh my god i totally agree you see i am the young generation im am 14 and all i have been trying to do is bring back the magic, all i need is a big topic to protest about, & im all for it, but i havent found anyone else who is, thats why i joined this site to find more people like me, SO TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD PLEASE TALK TO ME I AM TOTALLY SERIOUS LETS SHOW THOSE POWER LOVING AUTHORITY HOW MUCH STRONGER THE POWER OF LOVE IS LETS SHOW THEM WHAT HIPPIES ARE MADE OF LETS MAKE THIS WORLD A PEACEFUL PLACE TO LIVE, talk to me if you to are serious about this statement

Real American

06-18-2004, 04:00 AM

Just out of interest, where do you stand on legalizing weed? Go for it, as long as there are rules that enforce no smoking while driving. I figure if they were to legalize that drug it would cut down on the cost each city uses to take down ppl using and selling. There for giving the police more time to spend on other problems. Hell, while they are at it, legalize all the other drugs as well, a mass influx of legal buying will cause drugies all over to start over dosing...it will be like a self cleaning cycle in a washing machine.

God

06-18-2004, 07:24 AM

i gotta admit, im not really seeing it in the concept forms of 'hippie vs. society' anymore, but madmen/beautiful people vs. the dead and brainwashed of society.

it's kind of like a spiritual revolution, and when you keep spreading your vision, the more people get turned on. go out there, start a band, and play some insane music. be like syd barrett. hahaa

Ocean Byrd

06-18-2004, 07:33 AM

Sorry, but that euphoric time you speak of and refer to as the 60's was created by mass consumption of drugs. Of course they had no clue if they had money or not, the were stoned. Drugs of any kind taken for any reason other than medicinal purposes ruin your life. They do nothing for you. They alter your perception of time and the way you think for the worse. Yeah, you can have the 60's affect all over again. Just keep smoking your weed, taking your hits, doing the lines, and poping your pills. Your kids will thankyou for it!

Yes, that's right, drugs ruin lives. No, it could never be the the fact that some people can't control their use, not at all; it must be the drugs that make people ruin their lives.

How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older.

lover/young_peace

06-18-2004, 07:27 PM

avacado_salesman

06-18-2004, 08:49 PM

I dont regret missing the sixties. I woulda been drafted, I woulda gone, I wouldnt be here now(dead), plus I woulda missed every awesome experience I have actually experienced in the life I was given. I only wanna visit, time machine style. Catching ever dead show woulda been cool tho.

Real American

06-18-2004, 11:21 PM

No, it could never be the the fact that some people can't control their use, not at all; it must be the drugs that make people ruin their lives. You are right, I should have said it differently. It's the consumption of drugs that ruins your life. The drug itself is just the stepping stone. Either way, unless used for medicinal purposes, they do nothing of benifit for the user.

One more thing:How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older. Are you saying that people older that 44 aren't able to see that drugs are bad? What if I am 42, would that make a difference that drugs are bad? Would that make a difference that people using drugs are dumb?

FunkyPhreshMama

06-18-2004, 11:24 PM

i think the new generation needs to step up and create a "MAGIC" of their own!! We are not alone out there, if we all come together for what we beleive in etc.... things can happen, BIG and GOOD things!!!

lunar forest

06-18-2004, 11:36 PM

It's the consumption of drugs that ruins your life. The drug itself is just the stepping stone. Either way, unless used for medicinal purposes, they do nothing of benifit for the user. Wow man, you are so narrow minded on this!

FPM, you are so right mama!

MichaelByrd1967

06-19-2004, 01:32 AM

Drugs are an Eye-opener. What medical purpose does LSD have? Does medicinal marijuana really work? Where do you get your information?

God

06-19-2004, 05:35 AM

You are right, I should have said it differently. It's the consumption of drugs that ruins your life. The drug itself is just the stepping stone. Either way, unless used for medicinal purposes, they do nothing of benifit for the user.

One more thing: Are you saying that people older that 44 aren't able to see that drugs are bad? What if I am 42, would that make a difference that drugs are bad? Would that make a difference that people using drugs are dumb?
people who use drugs are dumb. what a scientific and unbiased fact/statement. please, please show me the evidence you have to support this claim, besides government propaganda.

Republican

06-19-2004, 07:31 PM

I agree with RA because I have seen 2 of my friends get in big trouble because of drugs. one was expelled and decided to just drop out of college the other has decided he dosn't care about school and dosn't try and gets d's.. Not all drug cases are like this but 90% are.. If you think its government propeganda than Im sorry that you choose to live in a fanticy world.. at one point Little Rock, AR (where I live) had the Highest murder rate in the US.. wonder why? Because the Bloods and Crypts were fighting for controll of the meth traficing.. meth is a huge problem in Arkansas...

I have also seen someone loose there Kids respect and his children are now following his path.. they are into drugs and the 19 year old is pregnent and unable to support herself, even though the guy she is pregnent by wants to marry her.. this world is suffering because of drugs..

I hope you can atleast say smoaking is stuped because even pot can cause cancer.. But throw your life away with your government drug conspericy/ propaganda garbage and your life will go to hell in a handbasket (not saying you will go to hell but your life will become a living hell..)...

This is one of the reasons that I would go to war overbeing a Cop.. no one listens to them.. they are constantly in fear that the person who they pulled over has drugs and is willing to kill the officer so they dont get caught..

so manny reasons not to do drugs.. why would you consider them..
i hope I never get lured into drugs because I have seen people go through hell..

In the late 60's - mid 70's the ruler of the USSR came on American telivision and anounced his way to distroy the USA.. through the youth.. he would help drug controll into the US and makeshure the problems with the drugs in the 60's were nothing to what we were to see.. well ladies and gentlemen do you want to let the USSR's plan work? do you really want anarchy.. where gangs rule and people are executed for pission people off? have you seen excape from LA? the citty of LA in that movie is what anarchy looks like and drugs if widly used could cause that..

If laws were put into place where drugs were legal but they crackdown on DWI' s It would be fine with me.. also the drugrate would decrease.. drugs are done for rebelion.. everyone who does them started as an adolecent or did 'em in the 60's... making 'em legal is the best way to stop them.. not to mention the Government could sell them and cut the national debt and would not have to pay for NARCs... but I would prefer that this didn't happen..

Kitaro

06-19-2004, 10:10 PM

ook...what THEY DID WAS ILEGALIZE ALL KINDS OF DRUGS. What happen? Well, more and more young people take heavy drugs sooner... becuase the dealer who sells him marijuana will be the same person who will sell him cocaine, heroine and so on.
Look at Holland, for example. The medium age for heroine users has dropped from 25 in 1991 to 36, in 1996. This is REALLY good! Society is finally understanding that cannabis is as dangerous as tobacco (as you know, or SHOULD know, FAR mor mortal; noone has ever died from smoking pot, and believe, this is true).

I don't understand why people still call «drug» to anything but tobacco caffeine or alcohol. If we continue this lack of knoledge, what will happen next?

Real American

06-20-2004, 12:08 AM

Wow man, you are so narrow minded on this!Drugs are an Eye-opener. What medical purpose does LSD have? Does medicinal marijuana really work? Where do you get your information?people who use drugs are dumb. what a scientific and unbiased fact/statement. please, please show me the evidence you have to support this claim, besides government propaganda.Actualy, I am one of those people that are a perfect canidate to talk to others about drugs. Started in my freshman year of high school I began smoking weed. In my Jr. year I tried LSD. That gel stuff you kids play with today was just comming around then. We had little stamp like hits and eye droppers. Continued smoking weed and taking acid for a year or so after school. Then, while living in Corpus Christi and working at the biggest night club there, I tried cocaine. At this point in my life, if you were partying in downtown CC, you knew who I was. I went by the name SinBad. My habbit turned into an 8-ball a day. During this time my wife and I learned exactly how much we loved each other. Tired of the loser the drugs had turned her husband into, my wife gave me an ultimatum. Either quit the drugs, or we were over. With her being the love of my life, and my son begining to be aware of what was around him, I chose my family. I quit using drugs right then and there. There was no withdraw. There were no weeks of trying. It happened in a matter of minutes. As a survivor of mind altering drugs, I can speak first hand at their destructive abilities. Don't lecture me on being narrow minded. Don't call me biased.

Oh, and this was just stupid. noone has ever died from smoking pot, and believe, this is true You are right, they died of lung cancer. In a study, scientists from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) found that tar in marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of substances called hydrocarbons than tar from tobacco smoke does. These hydrocarbons are a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. It does cause cancer. Get educated or hush!

God

06-20-2004, 02:30 AM

what needs to happen is this. legalize and regulate the psychedelic drugs, because many people use these for spiritual/religious purposes, and thus some government law isn't going to stop them from using them.

as for narcotics, have a system much like the old 1920s did, where if you were an addict, you went to your doctor, he prescribed the drug for you, and also would offer you a chance to join a reduction-cure treatment. the crime rate was MUCH lower back then, because there wasn't a large black market. addicts are sick people that our government preys upon. they are the niggers of our society.

as for alcohol and tobbaco, alcohol is as bad as heroin in some cases, and all the alcohol advertisements should be removed and banned from all mediums (TV, magazines, radio), much as tobbaco ads have been banned in TV and radio.

all in all, the so called 'drug war' is a massive failure, because it has refused to deal with the problem with compassion. it is a medical problem, not a criminal one, and the longer people ignore this fact, the worse it will all get.

lunar forest

06-20-2004, 03:26 AM

wow, God, I really agree with you. What a good idea you on the supposed "drug problem." I guess that's why you are a god, and I am not. ;)

God

06-20-2004, 04:27 AM

ha, thanks

Ocean Byrd

06-20-2004, 08:54 AM

One more thing: Are you saying that people older that 44 aren't able to see that drugs are bad? What if I am 42, would that make a difference that drugs are bad? Would that make a difference that people using drugs are dumb?

No, I'm WAS saying that the 60's weren't all about drugs; I was responding to your "60's effect" comment. I never said anywhere that you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, just to not be ignorant. Hey, that's a good quote if you reword it...

"Age does not bring opinon, only enlightenment." I dunno, needs tweaked...

Oh, and this was just stupid.

noone has ever died from smoking pot, and believe, this is true

You are right, they died of lung cancer. In a study, scientists from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) found that tar in marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of substances called hydrocarbons than tar from tobacco smoke does. These hydrocarbons are a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. It does cause cancer. Get educated or hush!

Honestly, I have never heard of anyone getting lung cancer from marijuana use alone. Also, people smoke marijuana less than they would cigarettes; statistics mean absolute shit dude.

Oh, and that's too bad that you had that painful experience with drugs; but realize, they didn't cause you to continue doing them. If you quit in minutes, then it's obvious you could have stopped anytime you liked, so don't lecture us about opinions that were formed from a blind standpoint.

Kitaro

06-20-2004, 12:20 PM

Honestly, I have never heard of anyone getting lung cancer from marijuana use alone. Also, people smoke marijuana less than they would cigarettes; statistics mean absolute shit dude.

True. Statistics have no power against that.

lunar forest

06-20-2004, 07:33 PM

I'm going to have to agree that the drugs themselves were not the problem for you, and certainly not the weed. It was your misuse of them. Many people do misuse them, no one will argue that, but many people misuse alcohol, and pain killers, and they are not inherently evil, either.

Real American

06-20-2004, 08:55 PM

all the alcohol advertisements should be removed and banned from all mediums (TV, magazines, radio) No no, that would be censorship and that's not right...correct? Besides, Lunar Forest's children would rebel against their authorities and wouldn't be happy. I do however agree with your ideas. The best thing though would just to elemenate all use of the drugs. But that will never happen.

I never said anywhere that you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, just to not be ignorant. Ok, so I'm ignorant until I hit the age of 44?

statistics mean absolute shit dude Nobody said anything about statistics. But now that you mention it, statistics is a valuable way to gather information. How do you think they test drugs for medicianl purposes. How do you think they get the "most common side effects".

they didn't cause you to continue doing them. No, an inaminent object can't force me to do anything. However, the drugs are addicting. One must posses the will power to stop sing. In most cases statistacly speaking users are unable to just walk away. Bigger point being is the drugs do nothing of benifit for me or my family. Using the drugs do not make you money. They don't make you smarter( to use this one on you): I have never heard of anyone doing better in school or work from smoking weed. They don't pay your bills legaly(of course unless you are a rebelious person who likes breaking the law).

Point is to you, the use of drugs other than for medicinal purposes are a waste. They do nothing for you. You can argue all you want about weed not causing health problems. I'll look at the facts while you assume. Oh yeah, and show me where you have heard that drugs had a posative effect on a person when taken recreationaly.

lover/young_peace

06-20-2004, 08:57 PM

drugs. to each his own.

Ocean Byrd

06-21-2004, 09:17 AM

Ok, so I'm ignorant until I hit the age of 44?

You don't take hints, do you? I was commenting on your statement about the 60's unexplainable magic being caused by some drug-induced delirium. I was saying that if you didn't live in a time period, you can't say anything about what went on during it. Get it now?

Nobody said anything about statistics.

Ahem...

You are right, they died of lung cancer. In a study, scientists from University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) found that tar in marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of substances called hydrocarbons than tar from tobacco smoke does. These hydrocarbons are a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. It does cause cancer. Get educated or hush!

Looks like you were inciting statistics to me...

No, an inaminent object can't force me to do anything. However, the drugs are addicting. One must posses the will power to stop sing. In most cases statistacly speaking users are unable to just walk away. Bigger point being is the drugs do nothing of benifit for me or my family. Using the drugs do not make you money. They don't make you smarter( to use this one on you): I have never heard of anyone doing better in school or work from smoking weed. They don't pay your bills legaly(of course unless you are a rebelious person who likes breaking the law).

Point is to you, the use of drugs other than for medicinal purposes are a waste. They do nothing for you. You can argue all you want about weed not causing health problems. I'll look at the facts while you assume. Oh yeah, and show me where you have heard that drugs had a posative effect on a person when taken recreationaly.

Wow, where do you get your "facts", Freevibe? First of all, duh, a substance is not solely responsible for a person's inability to to do something for themselves. Marijuana is not addicting, habit forming, but not addicting; I have no idea why you got into coccaine, but it's good you were able to quit. But that brings me to the question: Why were you able to quit when your wife threatened to leave you, but not when you wanted to? I have come to the conclusion that you had some kind of issues going on in your life, and so you cannot blame drugs for your misfortune; that's just plain ignorant/dumb.

Second, I never said pot made me smarter, I said it helped me to concentrate. My cousin, who has ADD, gains the same benefit, except he pulls off better grades. I, unfortunately, have only started having problems with my attention issues, and thus have not been able to develope a way to cope with them. I do, however, find that I produce far better (I produce without chemical substances also, of course) while I'm high. In fact, I began acing my tests without studying again; something I haven't been able to do for the past two years.

I know many people that use drugs as a goal; earn a certain grade and you can smoke, etc. Oh, and I didn't give this example in my last post because I assumed you were an intelligent and open minded individual (of which you are making me question), but I have a friend who has a 4.0, a job, tons of friends and lots of stuff going for her (vocal artist and actor may be in her future), and she conquered her depression; she smokes pot at least once a day, everyday. Now, just because you've never heard of these benefits, doesn't mean they don't exist; just like your tar statistics.

Thirdly, I can't believe you even typed that last paragraph. I know there are health problems that come with marijuana use; sure, it's bad for your lungs, but you can stop smoking it, or eat it if you really want to. Tell me, what other "facts" have you heard? I also didn't say that there are positive effects when drugs are taken recreationally; I said that I used it recreationally and responsibly, but not that there were positive effects.

Finally, come one, I'm 16 years old and I know more about a subject where you claim to have spent several years in the middle of. Do us all a favor and stop spreading propaganda; it only pisses people off because yet another conformist puppet is flashing his/her ignorance. Try to speak like an individual, oh, and:

Get educated or hush!

*gets off soap box*

Real American

06-21-2004, 10:27 AM

I never said anywhere that you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, just to not be ignorant. To rephrase that and say the same thing, you state: "I never said you need to be a certain age to have an opinion, you just have to be a certain age to not be ignorant". That's the same thing you said reworded.

if you didn't live in a time period, you can't say anything about what went on during it. You are one to talk aren't you. Guess you being 16 you must have lived in a previous life in the 60's wich gives you the right to talk about it.

The statistics you think I mention aren't an average out of testing. They aren't saying that on average marijuana tar has more hydrocarbons(wich then would be considered a statistic)...they are saying that marijuana tar does have more hydrocarbons always.

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I said it helped me to concentrateLoL..so you are dependant upon it to concentrate? Sounds addictive. In your own words, just because you haven't heard about it being addictive, doesn't mean that it isn't. Biggest thing on addictive substances, the user most of the time doesn't realize they are addicted. Of course, because you brought up friends and their relationship with the drug. I have friends that openly admit that they are addicted to it. They tried going a day without smoking and failed. But I know, you are 16 with years of experience and surpass my limited knowledge.

Why were you able to quit when your wife threatened to leave you, but not when you wanted to? I quit when I wanted to. The reaon I didn't quit before that was because I didn't want to. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Me using the drug affected my relationship with my wife. It affected my reality, as all drugs do. I quit because I loved my family more than the drug and made up my mind that I did not need it.

In fact, I began acing my tests without studying again; something I haven't been able to do for the past two years.I, unfortunately, have only started having problems with my attention issues, and thus have not been able to develope a way to cope with them.Second, I never said pot made me smarter, I said it helped me to concentrate Way to many contradictions there. Even in your fight for the right to smoke, you screw up and proove my point.

I said that I used it recreationally and responsibly, but not that there were positive effects. And yet, here we are again.....
In fact, I began acing my tests without studying again; something I haven't been able to do for the past two years. Looks like you are using it for scholastic purposes now. Do I have to requote you on your positive effects that you say you didn't say?

Finally, come one, I'm 16 years old and I know more about a subject where you claim to have spent several years in the middle of. Looks as if I just knocked you off your soap box.

it only pisses people off because yet another conformist puppet is flashing his/her ignorance. Yeah, I'm a puppet. Grow up little one, I talk from experience. Also my young comunist, if we all rebeled and didn't conform in some way, imagine how unstable and chatoic this world would be. It would be worse.

*offers hand to help you back on your feet...levels soap box....helps you climb back on*

Pobble

06-21-2004, 11:43 AM

errm- just to clarify here- it is the leaves of the cannabis plant which are five times more carciogenic then tobacco. however, what is mainly smoked is hash- or the resin and bud, which is less carciogenic than tobacco.

also, cannabis is not addictive, but it can become a habit like biting your fingernails when stressed

Ocean Byrd

06-21-2004, 12:02 PM

You are one to talk aren't you. Guess you being 16 you must have lived in a previous life in the 60's wich gives you the right to talk about it.

Oh wait, I didn't talk about how the 60's were all about drugs. God damn boy, can't you think about something before mouthing off about it? I said that they weren't all about drugs, which is more than likely true, as compared to what you stated.

LoL..so you are dependant upon it to concentrate? Sounds addictive. In your own words, just because you haven't heard about it being addictive, doesn't mean that it isn't. Biggest thing on addictive substances, the user most of the time doesn't realize they are addicted. Of course, because you brought up friends and their relationship with the drug. I have friends that openly admit that they are addicted to it. They tried going a day without smoking and failed. But I know, you are 16 with years of experience and surpass my limited knowledge.

Obviously, you are illiterate:

Second, I never said pot made me smarter, I said it helped me to concentrate... I do, however, find that I produce far better (I produce without chemical substances also, of course) while I'm high.

And I've been clean for 3 weeks as of now (I smoked at a graduation party, not mine, but that was the last time before I was ticketed). I only bought maybe once a month, every other month, before hand; I controlled the use. Also, addiction implies that you suffer withdrawl, physical addiction; you don't get that from marijuana alone. However, it is habit forming, which means that it is psychologically addicting, but willpower is something that easily combats that. Your friends (and you, when you were doing coccaine) did not possess enough to stay clean; I can stay sober for 6 months or however many years I need to, if I really desired. But, I'm not noticing any negative impact, so I continue to use pot recreationally; but not right now, I'm on UAs.

And, obviously, my 16 years of experience does surpass your limited knowledge as I realize that there is such thing as responsible drug use. Saying that anyone who uses drugs has a problem is rather ignorant; just because you struggled doesn't mean others don't. I guess your philosophy for addictin applies to your ignorance, also; "Ignorance is bliss."

I quit when I wanted to. The reaon I didn't quit before that was because I didn't want to. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Me using the drug affected my relationship with my wife. It affected my reality, as all drugs do. I quit because I loved my family more than the drug and made up my mind that I did not need it.

No, your drug use was out of hand; an 8-ball a day? That's hardly what I'd call responsible. See, YOU had a problem.

Way to many contradictions there. Even in your fight for the right to smoke, you screw up and proove my point.

There are no contradictions; if you had the ability to assess information and put it together you'd realize that I was saying that I was paying better attention in class and thus absorbing and retaining the information better, allowing me to do better on the tests without studying. Pot is only a temporary way of dealing with my attention problems. But, then again, I'm the one who is wrong because I'm trying to defend my reasons for smoking pot... right?

Looks like you are using it for scholastic purposes now. Do I have to requote you on your positive effects that you say you didn't say?

Maybe positive effects that I received, I never said that everybody benefited in the same way. Some people can't write a coherent sentance while stoned, much less write an entire essay, like I have.

Looks as if I just knocked you off your soap box.

Nope, but you did make me waste some time on areas where you failed to read correctly and actually realize what I was trying to say.

Yeah, I'm a puppet. Grow up little one, I talk from experience. Also my young comunist, if we all rebeled and didn't conform in some way, imagine how unstable and chatoic this world would be. It would be worse.

Hey, I'm commenting on your narrow mindedness, not telling you that everyone should do drugs to stick it to the man. For being however many years older than me, you sure don't act grown up; not to mention the fact that you feel that my free thinking makes me communist. I may believe in a few of the concepts (sharing land, sure, but not universal pay and predetermined jobs), but I actually don't identify with any type of government. I guess I'm more counterculture than I realized... Oh well, I guess what I'm trying to say is that you talk a lot, but don't say very much.

Psilodelix

06-21-2004, 03:27 PM

Real American, guess what buddy, you're one of those people who take a psychedelic (lsd in your case) to "see pretty colors and giggle"(visceral experience, the mental was wasted on you)... I am 100% sure that you never experienced what it REALLY means to TRIP. You're a wannabie!

Not every ‘rock star’ that dropped acid became Leary, Watts, or even Lennon

Since you've never experienced it, all of your arguments are doomed to a world of irrelevance to everyone who reads them... they all take place in the world of the great delusion… It’s got amazing membership statistics… how do I know you didn’t get it? I need no proof other than the way you speak of life and the way you make arguments.

To say that human beings should never change their brain chemistry is a completely hypocritical and shows a complete lack of understanding for what makes-up our reality.

When people “ascend” to “heaven” how do you think that works? Does their “soul” physically fly to some place!?!?! Hahahaha, of course not…. To ascend to heaven is referring to the profound heightening of the consciousness upon death. Why do you think people who have “near death experiences” come back with a new found wisdom/enlightenment? It is because similarly with mind expanding drugs… the difference between you and god is only perspective and knowledge. Consciousness

lunar forest

06-21-2004, 07:47 PM

RA, Do you have a problem with all drug treatmeants of problems such as ADD and ADHD? Or just the ones that your govormeant says are naughty? If smoking weed helps this man with his problems, than we should thank the gods! He is not harming anyone, not even himself, and he is able to help himself. It may seem silly to you, but if you had ever truely experienced it, or loved someone who is(or pareted someone who is!) than you would rejoyce with this young man when he saiad that this helps him! This is so much better than getting those nasty perscription drugs that just surpress, and oppress the person!

I am so glad you for, OB, and your friend for finding something to help you concentrate, I know where you are coming from, man!

daturastolemysoul

06-21-2004, 10:23 PM

this whole argument between "real_american" and "ocean byrd" is just absolutly redicules. i mean come on, for one thing, i personaly am a huge drugs user, i smoke pot maybe 5 or 6 times a day and have been for the past few years on and off, and i have to say that there are deffinetly physical responses to the chemical thc not being in my system. if i dont smoke for a day i get extreamly irritable and pissed off, things loose clarity and i am often hit by bouts of consfusion. and hey im not saying drugs are bad hell i love drugs, but you just need to acctually get your facts strait in order to critisis someoneselses facts. for one things pot is physical addictive they even proved it recently with NEW STUDIES, yup thats right people come out with new information about this stuff all the time, so you may have read somewhere on the internet last year the pot is not addictive but that could be outdated today, they have come up with the theory that since thc is stored in you fat it low amounts of thc are released into you blood even when you are not smoking thus taking you off the drug slowly, reducing physical effects. and your wrong about addiction you said that "Also, addiction implies that you suffer withdrawl, physical addiction; you don't get that from marijuana alone." and this is just not true, adicction has to do with anything that effects your everydaylife drastcally, so no physical addiction is required to make you an addict. I personally would say that i was and am addicted to mushrooms, this may seem like an odd thing to be addicted to but its as serious as anything else.
and one more thing you are complaining that this "real american" is feeding you propaganda yet you yourself are having liberal propaganda being shoved down your throughts and doing the same to others, just because the ideas are liberal does not mean that they are not propaganda. yup
and hey i think that your points are valid. just read somemore books. new ones hehe
yup

God

06-22-2004, 12:15 AM

To sum it all up,

Don't blame a drug for the stupidity of it's user.

Real American

06-22-2004, 12:16 AM

Ocean Byrd...you contradicted yourself and your beliefs over and over. All I did was point them out. If your brain is to screwed up from the drug use to see that well then im sorry. I took everything you said and quoted you. Several times you would say "it doesn't make you smarter" then say, it helped me or it helped my friend in school. I can go on and on, fact is, you wont see the truth until you grow up.Lunar Forest...you have to be one of the slowest people I have ever talked to. I clearly stated in several posts that i agree with drug use for medicianal purposes. Does that in your world mean I am against it? Oh, and one more thing, perhaps you should get a job with Baylor or another Big Medical school so you can start teaching them the ways of research. Because I am sure they have never tested the use of marijuana to help that stupid problem called ADD or ADHD. They have people testing new ideas and drugs daily on every freaking known disease and problem out there. Chemists, Doctors, Scientists, Mathmaticians....practicaly every valuable field of expertise is donating their knowledge to studies all over to make your life better. But then, from your previous posts, I'm sure you and your family have decided that those people striving to make your life better are funded by "the man" and are secretly creating ways to get inside your brain and controle your actions and thoughts. That's right, I'm refering to you mentioning that your kids would rebel against authority. you are certainly not my son! No sir! My son would question his "athorities" far more than you! Way to teach and promote rebelion.

It may seem silly to you, but if you had ever truely experienced it, or loved someone who is(or pareted someone who is!) than you would rejoyce with this young man when he saiad that this helps him! My wife was diagnosed with it, her parents decided the doctor was crazy, she is fine and has always been fine. Yeah, it's a strange new idea and theory that has evolved recently...the idea of spending time with your children and giving the the love and attention they need and desire.

Honestly, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I think it is important that you read what daturastolemysoul has to say. He is here saying it is addictive. OH MY GHOSH!!!! Let me ask you this...if these drugs you think are ok for your body and don't harm you...don't you think they would still be legal? Oh wait, I'm sure you have a conspiracy theory for that as well.

Psilodelix

06-22-2004, 02:49 AM

Real American, you truly are an idiot.

I think it is an interesting choice of name for yourself, Real American... I'd say that it suits you quite well, in fact, it sums it all up. You are so desperately lost in the great delusion… Why don’t you get off the computer and go watch FOX news, I mean… so you can collect some more FACTS.

Pathetic. Obviously wisdom is not GUARENTEED with age.

-PsDX

Ocean Byrd

06-22-2004, 04:28 AM

Ocean Byrd...you contradicted yourself and your beliefs over and over. All I did was point them out. If your brain is to screwed up from the drug use to see that well then im sorry. I took everything you said and quoted you. Several times you would say "it doesn't make you smarter" then say, it helped me or it helped my friend in school. I can go on and on, fact is, you wont see the truth until you grow up.Lunar Forest...you have to be one of the slowest people I have ever talked to. I clearly stated in several posts that i agree with drug use for medicianal purposes. Does that in your world mean I am against it? Oh, and one more thing, perhaps you should get a job with Baylor or another Big Medical school so you can start teaching them the ways of research. Because I am sure they have never tested the use of marijuana to help that stupid problem called ADD or ADHD. They have people testing new ideas and drugs daily on every freaking known disease and problem out there. Chemists, Doctors, Scientists, Mathmaticians....practicaly every valuable field of expertise is donating their knowledge to studies all over to make your life better. But then, from your previous posts, I'm sure you and your family have decided that those people striving to make your life better are funded by "the man" and are secretly creating ways to get inside your brain and controle your actions and thoughts. That's right, I'm refering to you mentioning that your kids would rebel against authority. Way to teach and promote rebelion.

I prefer marijuana over amphetamines, thank you. Hell, I wasn't even diagnosed ADD or ADHD, but I do know I have difficulty concentrating. I mean, I'm fairly intelligent, I just have problems connecting all of my thoughts. Also, I never said it made me smarter (for the second time), I said it HELPED me and a friend of mine CONCENTRATE; concentration =/= smart/intelligent.

Honestly, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I think it is important that you read what daturastolemysoul has to say. He is here saying it is addictive. OH MY GHOSH!!!! Let me ask you this...if these drugs you think are ok for your body and don't harm you...don't you think they would still be legal? Oh wait, I'm sure you have a conspiracy theory for that as well.

That's funny, because marijuana was made illegal because some guy claimed that it made people commit violent crimes and murder people; go to friendlystranger.com to check out some info on it. I just find it ridiculous that marijuana is still Schedule I in the U.S.; that means that it has NO known medicinal use, when it's legal for medicinal use in 9 states... one of which is the state I live in, heh. And finally, I have formed the opinion that you are just trying to piss people off and should be ignorned.

Oh, and daturastolemysoul, I've always considered addiction to be physical addiction and habit forming to be the stuff where you crave the drug, not feeling naseuous or cold and getting the shakes and all that other fun stuff. Also, I didn't read books, I researched for several hours (before even trying pot, call me overly cautious) over a span of about 10 sites, including Erowid and WebMD. I got most of my knowledge from Erowid, but I'll try to keep up to date on my knowledge.

daturastolemysoul

06-22-2004, 04:58 AM

befor i ever smoked pot i read 3 or 4,one thousand page books on the topic. and once again give this real amarican guy a break. LIBRAL PROPAGANDA IS STILL PROPAGANDA
i hate fucking blind liberals
at least this real amarican guy has the balls to come up with his own ideas through experience instead of you the self perclaimed all knower from a few hours of looking at erowid. and who the hell cares what you think the definition of adiction is, you can say that a turtle is a duck, but it sure as hell is still a turtle, and that doesent change nomatter what you call it.
period.

lover/young_peace

06-22-2004, 05:50 AM

its easier to die from asprin than pot.... all ya gotta do is empty the really big bottle in your mouth and swallow!

hee hee no i just thought id say that. i want someone to attack me. i want somebody here to tell me im a communist and then somebody else to tell me im a government agent...

ok now im just pissin everybody off so I'll stop...

no but really as long as ya dont hurt anybody else, to each his own. if the drugs hurt you well no shit ya got yourself to blame. but ya shouldnt be put in jail for it. do what you wantta. everybody has got their reasons and it dont matter why or how you do/dont do drugs... its ya own life and as long as it stays ya own life and not gettin messed up in others lives then shit do what ya want.

yeah so thats my stance on the matter. okay go at me now. i am feeling like an asshole today...if thats possible.... :)

Ocean Byrd

06-22-2004, 07:41 AM

I'm not spreading propaganda, I'm spreading personal experience; I don't say that drugs do society good, I just say that they don't do the things people make them out to do. I was giving RA a break until he started attacking my reasons for using drugs. Hell, the whole thing started because he said that you feel the magic of the 60's by doing drugs, which I didn't like because I knew it wasn't true as the 60's weren't all about drugs... I just got annoyed and then he attacked me for saying that he was being rather ignorant.

lover/young_peace

06-22-2004, 07:52 AM

this calls for a

PEACE TREATY!!!!!

Ocean Byrd

06-22-2004, 08:04 AM

Indeed, I don't like to give up; if the argument continues, I'll be sure to follow... I can't help it, lol.

Real American

06-22-2004, 06:46 PM

Ocean Byrd, everything I have said I have stood by. I simply take what you say and throw it in your face. I believe it was you who told me that because I wasn't alive in the 60's that I can't realy know, and yet, you make statements like this: because I knew it wasn't true as the 60's weren't all about drugs Every single one of your posts contradicts something you have said.

To end this debate I say this. The 60's in and of itself were essentially based on sex, drugs, and rock&roll. Coupled with that were groups forming to protest something. You want the "magic" of the 60's to return?? Have more sex, take more drugs, and pick up an instrument and turn it into art(or turn your sex and drug use into art as well).

I'm willing to bet that most here(other than the older generation that were actualy alive during the time) don't know when this "60's lifestyle" began and ended. I can assure you it wasn't in 1960 and 1970.

MichaelByrd1967

06-22-2004, 07:09 PM

That kind of artsy lifestyle was always around in some shape and form. It's just that in the 60's and early 70's, it was in the mainstream. It's still here today, especially on these forums, but it's not as widely recieved as it was back then.

What I think we represent, is just more passion and emotion put into music, art, etc. Nowadays, almost every pop act in the world, is in it for the money, and they have little to no talent, but they're attractive. And we all know the record companies' motto don't we? Sex sells. That's right, sex and only sex sells. Nobody cares about the music. But when a band comes along that sounds talented or emotional but looks like hell, & the radio stations pick the one song that became a hit for this band, and play it to DEATH!~!~!~! Therefore, the record companies can make people sick of this band with the one song, and get a new act out that is sexy, but untalented. Once again, draining the chances of a talented act to get a recording contract.

Which is why if we can get a steady flux of talented bands and musicians to start playing, the record companies will finally come to their senses and start signing some talented bands, and not overplay their one hit song on the radio to death. That's is what I want to do to try and bring back the 60's lifestyle to a wider audience. But do the rest of you have to say?

lunar forest

06-22-2004, 10:46 PM

Kitaro

06-23-2004, 12:04 AM

lunar forest

06-23-2004, 01:42 AM

Oh my God, again that experience mania... yeah, you're right, daturastolemysoul, it irritates me when I see those guys who apearantly know everything and tquickly you find out that they've never smoked it. But pleaaase, just because they didn't smoke doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.

Just thinking... we're arguing THIS much just because a humble plant? Leave it alone, it won't bite you... :confused: unless you want it to bite you... ^^You're not talking about me, are you? Well, if you are let me clearify. I said that I dont do pot NOW. I didn't say that I've NEVER done it!!! My goodness, I'd be a little silly to open my big mouth if that were the case (though, my points would still be valid!) Sorry if I confused anyone! ;)

Experience Haze

06-23-2004, 02:19 AM

both ocean byrd and real american suck, nobody wants to hear you two bitch at each other! now, back to the topic. why dont people just chill out now-a-days, love each other. love IS magic:) thats how i see it, just a lot of love back in those days, too bad i missed it... LET'S BRING IT BACK!

Real American

06-23-2004, 03:53 AM

Ok, RA, I'm sick of your preconseptions about the people here. You have not truely read anything that I have said, and I see that you have no desire to know what I think, or hear anything the differs from your personal comfort level. So I'm not going to continue arguing my point. I have no preconceptions of anyone here. Everything I said in my first post was my own opinion, just like everyone elses. After that, I posted in replies to others. If you yourself come up in a post of mine, it is because you said something that I felt important to highlight. Most of those important things are times when people contradict themselves. Also, If i did not want to see other peoples pov's, I wouldn't be here. What you should do is take some of your own advice and listen and learn. Several times I have tried to get this topic back on topic, yet I keep having to reply to un-needed comments. Like yours right now.

Questioning athority is vital for any person, and has NOTHING to do with rebelion. However, rebelion can be healthy too, we all need to assert our indepenance, and induviduality!Well, remeber that when your child has rebelled against you, err I mean, when he questions your authority, don't be mad at him, because you said it's ok right here.

MichaelByrd1967:
Even back in the 60's people created bands and made music for money. There may have been a few more groups than today that did it strictly for the love of music and art, but for the most part, money was always involved and always will be. As far as saying most new bands dont have talent, well, I have to disagree. Perhaps you don't like their music, doesn't mean someone out there won't. I myself listen to all types of music and personaly can't stand music that has people screaming at the top of their lungs. A few of my friends however love that kind of music. As far as playing a song over and over, well, they do it because people love to hear it. It's also advertisment for that wonderful idea of capitolism.

Experience Haze:
I personaly don't want to see you complaining about our debate. However, this is a free forum open to discus whatever. So, in that same idea, you can join in on the debate, or hush.

Again, as for the magic of the 60's they will never return. With time comes change, nothing ever stays the same. I said it before and I'll say it again. Start using the "sex drugs and rock&roll" theory more in your life to get that fealing back.

lover/young_peace

06-23-2004, 04:27 AM

whats wrong with sex,drugs,and rock & roll ?!?!?!?

lunar forest

06-23-2004, 04:36 AM

You know, I wasn't around in the 60's, so I honestly cannot say what is was like. I hear it was great, and I think we need another movment like it in our own time. We need love, and peace. Not just the nonwar kind of peace, but peaceful people, peaceful living, nonviolence in every part of our lives! That was the goal and ideal of the 60's hippie movement, to the best of my knowledge. I think that is something we can all agree that we want to see in our life time, and that of our children, no?

Peace and love, it's so simple.

SvgGrdnBeauty

06-23-2004, 04:55 AM

alice_d_millionaire

06-23-2004, 05:31 AM

man, i just read every post in here... what an ill tempered thread! well, being so young and naive ;), i wont dare to say anything, lest i be accused of being a druggie or a crabby old man. c'mon people, smile on your brother.

Real American

06-23-2004, 10:06 AM

I hear it was great, and I think we need another movment like it in our own time. We need love, and peace. Not just the nonwar kind of peace, but peaceful people, peaceful living, nonviolence in every part of our lives! That was the goal and ideal of the 60's hippie movement, to the best of my knowledge. I think that is something we can all agree that we want to see in our life time, and that of our children, no? It's a great theory, but it will never happen. That's the way the world is. Obviously the idea behind the 60's movement didn't work either. The one thing I will point out is nothing is stoping you from having your "60's" all over again. As a matter of fact, lefties all over march against the war, burn the American flag, and practicly do everything that was done back then. I think it will never be the same again simply because a lot of people grew up and realized that this is life and that we all can't just get along.

Oh, and to this post :
whats wrong with sex,drugs,and rock & roll ?!?!?!? With you being 13, I seriously hope you aren't having sex and using drugs. If you are, go talk to your parents, you may not realize it, but they love you. Very disturbing statement.

Ocean Byrd

06-23-2004, 10:52 AM

Oh, and to this post : With you being 13, I seriously hope you aren't having sex and using drugs. If you are, go talk to your parents, you may not realize it, but they love you. Very disturbing statement.

Who are you to dictate how other's should live their lives? Seriously dude, fuck you.

Kitaro

06-23-2004, 12:03 PM

Lunar, my man, it wasn't for you! lol it was to daturastolemysoul (it actually was in the post, but whatever, screw it :))

Psilodelix

06-23-2004, 03:16 PM

Socity told Real American what life was about, what it really means to be alive, and he belived them.
;)
Gullable...

lunar forest

06-23-2004, 05:54 PM

Socity told Real American what life was about, what it really means to be alive, and he belived them. Hmmm, aperently. It is sad for him, and sad for the rest of the society who buys into that, and just shoots for the "american dream" because they are told that is the best they will ever get!

Of course we will never truely have peace, but we can make a difference and we can make things change! We can make OUR lives peaceful, and we can pass that on to our children. We can at least tell these (as dh would put it,) "brainwashed drones" that there is more than what they think there is. It seems that a good deal of people in this world who really cannot see past what they've been taught to believe, RA aperently one of them. Ha, or maybe they just don't want to. The unknown can be scarey, but it is the only way to change!

Wasn't it Ghandi who said "Be the change you wish to see in the world."?

Real American

06-23-2004, 07:47 PM

Let me ask you...where did I say I was against peace? Where did I say I was against getting along with everyone? Lunar forest, you truely are dense. Seriously, from the first day I posted on these forums your peacful self has been all over me calling me a troll, crying, and complaining. You yourself proove that peace will never work. I mean hell, you call your self a hippie and yet your actins on here proove otherwise. In my last post I merely stated reality. The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies.

I said this:It's a great theory, but it will never happen.You said this:Of course we will never truely have peace
So tell me what it is that makes you better than me? As a mattr of fact, with your statement above, this could be said to you as well:Socity told lunar forest what life was about, what it really means to be alive, and he belived them.
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
Gullable...You see what I am saying here? You attack me even on the thing we agree on. How stupid is that? Please, for your sake and your childrens sake, get your priorities straight. Nothing in any of my post suggests that society is where I found my information. I found it on expirience alone. You are living in a dream world to think that this whole world will live in peace right now. Of course, with my beliefs in God and what The Bible says, ther will indeed be a time of world peace. That will be when the Anti-Christ shows up and that will last for 7 years. So lunar forest, until you can make up your mind and stand on your own beliefs without jumping on yet another bandwagon(ie Psilodelix on his childish post) you need to stop posting. Oh, and for your last post, I would love for you to tell me what it is that you are talking about here:It seems that a good deal of people in this world who really cannot see past what they've been taught to believe Or maybe this is another one of those times that you opened your mouth and nothing but trash talking came out?

And finaly to Ocean Byrd:
Who are you to dictate how other's should live their lives? Seriously dude, fuck you. I love hypocrites. Way to be peacful there little boy. Anyways, if you support sex with children well then that is your own sickness. Don't come back and say "I don't support it" because your post here clearly states that anyone with a brain should be allowed to do what they want. With her being 13 she is just hitting puberty. To me, that would be a sad thing if she was already having sex. I made my post based on caring and concern, you made yours out of maliciousness. You too need to grow up.

Let's try to keep the topic where it is supposed to be. I feel the 60's idea was a failure. I feel people are currently trying to relive the 60's by copying what people did back then. I feel it will fail again. Your thoughts?

lover/young_peace

06-23-2004, 08:20 PM

I didnt mean to disturb anyone.... ooops.

Psilodelix

06-24-2004, 04:09 AM

Real American, that's just it "you don't GET IT"... There is nothing that makes me better than you! I just happen to be 1000% more in thouch with the purpose or "what life is about", and the purest path of life for a human. I'm 1000% more in touch with nature than you are or have ever been ever were and probably never will be... and don't speak to me about LSD, your expirence is worthless because you aparantly didn't take 1oz of insight away from the time you spent with it. This privlage which has enrighed my life and perspective is not exclusive to me... Im not the only "jesus", so to speak...

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"In my last post I merely stated reality. The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies."
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This is a rediclious statement!!!!! What are you thinking??? The "hippies" that were so prevalant in the 60's and early 70's.... first off, most were not enlightened, Whatever hippie culture that there was manifesting was squashed out through: 1. end of vietnam 2. lack of organization 3. The drugs and narcotics act 1972(severly restricted their vide)... anything that was left could not really stand up to a full on culture-war with the "white picket fence"WASP model of the american family. Trust me buddy your level of logic and consciousness is amazingly LARVAL.
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"I love hypocrites. Way to be peacful there little boy. Anyways, if you support sex with children well then that is your own sickness. Don't come back and say "I don't support it" because your post here clearly states that anyone with a brain should be allowed to do what they want. With her being 13 she is just hitting puberty. To me, that would be a sad thing if she was already having sex. I made my post based on caring and concern, you made yours out of maliciousness. You too need to grow up."
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Being peaceful does not mean you have to take whatever shit comes your way, just be non-violent about it. This entire paragraph is a fucking barel of monkeys. How the fuck are you going to argue conagitive liberties and the make a comparason to social sexual norms... and trying to emotion-up you argument by comenting about a 13 yea old girl... low... how old are you exactly? I'm not afraid if everyone knows how old/young I am because I'm not ashamed of this part of my life... why don't you post all your info, any pecker could come in an anoniomously fight for his view.

Why come on a thread called 'the magic of the 60s' when you are an bushie!!! You support the fucked war... You're so far gone we, can't even help you here... you're probably just to dumb... or you were abuseing the drug and it came back to bite you in the ass.

or just... Gulliable ;)

Nothing about any of my posts were childish, you simply can't make an argument with out adding an insult on top... everyone else then implements the same stratigy in a frantic pace of this amazing "cosmic cock-measuring" contest that were all having. You arguments are hollow... this is the guy who you always run into in weed circles and he'll be saying some really lame shit like "yo, pass the doobie man, huh..huuh.huhuhu..I'm so high...huhuh..huhu.hu..."

You took LSD 'to see pretty colors and giggle', didn't you... read my quote, it applys explicitly to you and yours. 'Just cause ya drove around the neighborhood once dosen't mean that you live there.'

have you ever smoked 5-MeO-DMT?
Psilocybin Mushrooms?
Mescaline/Peyote?
MDMA?
Reasearch Chems?
Cannabis (in 1/8 per week)?

-PsDX

lunar forest

06-24-2004, 04:35 AM

The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies. LOL! I think we can all have a good long laugh at this one!!! We would all be hippies? Seriously? Is that what you think the movement was about? You are drasticly mistaken, ra! It was about the exact opposite! This is what I was talking about when I said .... a good deal of people in this world who really cannot see past what they've been taught to believe .... The hippie movement is about NOT conforming! It is about being free enough to be one's self, to be natural, to be in touch with the earth, to be respectful of nature, to QUESTION athorities - not to follow anything/one blindly, to be informed, to love and be loved, to live peacefully, etc. Certainly not to convince everyone to be like us! :rolleyes: The hippie movement had/has nothing to do with causing anyone else to be hippie!

Nathan11

06-24-2004, 04:47 AM

You know, thank God that this forums was updated and now has the feature of IGNORE! RA, you are now put on ignore. WHO ELSE IS WITH ME?!?! :p

BTW, Kitaro, Lunar is a womyn.

You all take care.

Psilodelix

06-24-2004, 05:25 AM

[QUOTE=Nathan11]You know, thank God that this forums was updated and now has the feature of IGNORE! RA, you are now put on ignore. WHO ELSE IS WITH ME?!?! :p

I sympathyze greatly... but that's the easy way out...however let the wanker have a shot at firing back eh?

I promise that whatever it is it will surely be lacking in substance.

My location is Paris, France... however I was born in Mass. and spent 17 of my 19 years growing up on the east coast and midwest... there is nobody that can tell me anything about american socity that I havn't already taken note of and discarded the less desirable. I have as valid an opinion on america because i was born,raised, and live in hawaii durring the school year.
Have you ever been off of the mainland? Amazing what living in other cultures can teach one about their own.

By the way don't someone dare bring up any of that liberal/conservative ... democrat/republican horse shit. The only brain that I listen to when it comes to politics and moral issues, is my own, "god" instaled a feature in the human mind where we can establish a direct comunication with god, word or "prayers" need not be involved... THINK WITH ME HERE, IF GOD SPOKE HOW WOLUD HE DO IT? WOULD A GREAT BIG SIMLE APEAR IN THE SKY AND START SPEAKING ENGLISH TO YOU? ;) WHY WOULD GOD USE HUMAN LANGUAGE, WHICH IS COMICLY FLAWED IN EXPRESSING SOME OF THE MOST COMMON HUMAN USES. DO YOU THINK GOD KNOWS EVERY LANGUAGE...OR DO YOU THINK HE USE THE SAME PATH TO EVERY ONE OF "hIS/HERS" CREATIONS... EVER HEARD OF MENTAL TELETEPHAHY(sp) cuminicate directly with god, if you believe in organized relgion, you could never properly concieve anything I'm refering to. The two don't mix, by the way this is not a contradiction, but only properly understandable if you are making progress in realiving the true balance of life and energy.

I saw a .gif on these forums that fits quite nicely, saying, "I WAS NOT CREATED IN YOUR IMAGE OF GOD". (I know you didn't say that I was, but your every word implys it)

-PsDX

lover/young_peace

06-24-2004, 05:45 AM

im sorry to get yall off topic... about my original sex, drugs, and rock & roll post.

no really I've got my own plans I'll do these things when I'm ready. Right now I'm not, Im still finding myself but if somebody thought they were ready at my age I wouldn't stop them. Years and maturity are two very different things.

anyway i didnt mean it literally... i just meant if somebody wanted to live that way , well good for them, I've only got one life as far as I know, so Im going to have fun as soon as Im ready.

ok i hope i made some bit of sense. I need to stop posting this late. I begin to think in scrambles ;)

Ocean Byrd

06-24-2004, 07:16 AM

And finaly to Ocean Byrd:
I love hypocrites. Way to be peacful there little boy. Anyways, if you support sex with children well then that is your own sickness. Don't come back and say "I don't support it" because your post here clearly states that anyone with a brain should be allowed to do what they want. With her being 13 she is just hitting puberty. To me, that would be a sad thing if she was already having sex. I made my post based on caring and concern, you made yours out of maliciousness. You too need to grow up.

I never said I supported it (notice how I don't say "I don't support it"), but I did say that you have no right to tell others how they should live their lives or what is morally correct. All I'm saying is that people will live the way they want to, and you have no right to say that they are doing something wrong; it's their life. Besides, since I'm such a hypocrite, maybe you should recollect the fact that you did coccaine; isn't that something you shouldn't have been doing? Even at your age, it's still morally wrong, so how the hell can you tell someone to not do drugs? If doing something makes someone happy, then let them do it god dammit.

alice_d_millionaire

06-24-2004, 07:40 AM

i dunno, you can yak at someone all you want, that doesnt mean they have to listen though...

Real American

06-24-2004, 11:03 AM

Real American, that's just it "you don't GET IT"... There is nothing that makes me better than you! Apparently, all those drugs you are so happy about using have seriously screwed up your mind. I never said that to you. Go read it again, then read it a few more times. Try doing it sober so you can understand what I am saying and not try to look at it with some 5th dimension perspective. And then, in all your highness and self absorbed feelings, you contradict yourself by saying you are better:I just happen to be 1000% more in thouch with the purpose or "what life is about", and the purest path of life for a human. I'm 1000% more in touch with nature than you are or have ever been ever were and probably never will be.
This is a rediclious statement!!!!! What are you thinking??? Here is what I am thinking, who are you to tell me my opinion is wrong? Oh wait, you must have recieved a telepathic msg from God while triping on LSD. Attention everyone...THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT DO DRUGS....THEY SERIOUSLY SCREW UP YOUR BRAIN!!!

Being peaceful does not mean you have to take whatever shit comes your way, just be non-violent about it. No, but I'm pretty sure being peacfull does include politness. Of course, you may not agree, as you have prooven yourself unworthy of that ability in your post here. Look how wound up you are over my opinion. You don't see me cussing you out. Perhaps you realy do need to seek help with your drug problem. It seems to be affecting your ability to interact with others.

How the fuck are you going to argue conagitive liberties and the make a comparason to social sexual norms... and trying to emotion-up you argument by comenting about a 13 yea old girl... low. If you lack the ability to read and understand a post then again, I suggest you get help. Please from now on, refer to the quoted text then my text. I clearly Broke away from talking about his lack of peace by using the word....what was it....can you guess it....Anyways. As far as the rest of it, I was being honest. Perhaps hearing 13 yr old girls mentioning sex in a way that implies they are having sex doesn't bother you. It botherd me, so I asked her about it. She then peacfully replied and the matter is now in the clear and understandable. This goes to any of you questioning my right to ask. If I don't have the right to ask and care...what gives you the right to question me? Hypocrites.

how old are you exactly? I'm not afraid if everyone knows how old/young I am because I'm not ashamed of this part of my life... why don't you post all your info, any pecker could come in an anoniomously fight for his view. Again, your post do not resemble that of someone wanting peace and love in their life. Your post more resembles that of a goth person crying "no one loves me" and "I dress this way to be different" while standing in a crowd of 30,000 other goth people dressed the same way you are. By the way, I'm 27. I'm sorry I did not conform to your ways and fill out all my information. I was trying to be a hippie by revolting against the "forum man".

Why come on a thread called 'the magic of the 60s' when you are an bushie!!! You support the fucked war... You're so far gone we, can't even help you here... you're probably just to dumb... or you were abuseing the drug and it came back to bite you in the ass. You are right. I support helping others. I support soldiers over seas giving people a chance at the freedom they should have been born with. As a matter of fact, as discused on another topic here, I'll even support you and your family. I'll support your right to cry and complain. I'll take it one step further and let you know that I'll even fight in your place, so you can sit back smoke your drugs and try to hold on to the enlightenment you think you have.

have you ever smoked 5-MeO-DMT?
Psilocybin Mushrooms?
Mescaline/Peyote?
MDMA?
Reasearch Chems?
Cannabis (in 1/8 per week)? Nope, I'm proud to say that I haven't. Though when I was 13 I did smoke the stalk off of one of those busy sharp plants with the white fuzzy stuff. Man that was a head rush there. I'm sure your parent's are proud of you. "So what is your son up to lately"...."Oh we are so proud of him...he is a drug addict!".

Ahhh, my lunar forest...
Quote:
The 60's idea didn't work. If it had, we would all be hippies.
LOL! I think we can all have a good long laugh at this one!!! We would all be hippies? Seriously? Is that what you think the movement was about? You are drasticly mistaken, ra! It was about the exact opposite! Can't stay off that dandwagon can you? Everyone notice how she failed to reply to anything else that was posted?
The hippie movement is about NOT conforming!I hate to burst your bubble, but you conform to loads of stuff daily. Even in the hippie movement you conformed to someone elses ideas. You want to be different, that's fine, be different. But please quit acting like you aren't a conformist. We all are in some way or another.

Nathan11 I really don't care if you ignore me or not. These people here apparently have a problem with an outside opinion. That of wich does not conform to their ideas of right and wrong. Shame they call themselves hippies and yet act totaly different. I personaly thought the hippie movement was for peace and love. Apparently, I was wrong.

Sigh:
"god" instaled a feature in the human mind where we can establish a direct comunication with god, word or "prayers" need not be involved Actualy, prayer is required and called upon as noted in The Bible. Maybe your god requires that you be high on drugs to communicate with him..however, my God asks only that I talk to Him, and listen to Him through the Holy Spirit. As for the rest of your rubbish, well I have no clue where you are comming from or where you are heading. I have a realationship with God. It is not neccessary for me to use drugs of any kind to get a response from Him.

I never said I supported it (notice how I don't say "I don't support it"), but I did say that you have no right to tell others how they should live their lives or what is morally correct. If a man rapes and kills your mother, what gives us the right to punnish him? Who is to say that that was an imoral act? As a matter of fact...what gives you the right to tell me what I can and can't say? Yeah, I figure you will need a while to reply to that one. Maybe msg this drugy here and see if he can communicate with his god and give you an inlightend reply.

Besides, since I'm such a hypocrite, maybe you should recollect the fact that you did coccaine; isn't that something you shouldn't have been doing? Even at your age, it's still morally wrong, so how the hell can you tell someone to not do drugs? When I was using, I wasn't telling anyone not to do drugs. I would have offered them to you so we could party together. Wise men learn from other mens mistakes, fools by their own. I was a fool at that time, and had to learn on my own the hard way. I am not a hypocrite for telling someone to stay awat from drugs. Had I been using and saying that then I would be. Please look up the definition so you can understand.

If doing something makes someone happy, then let them do it god dammit. Yeah, my real father had that same idea. He used to love beating on my mother and myself. Then I was adopted and my uncle used to love putting his penis inside me. Yeah, someone should have let him keep doing that because he liked it right?

Psilodelix

06-24-2004, 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=Real American]Apparently, all those drugs you are so happy about using have seriously screwed up your mind. I never said that to you (I know, I said it to you!). Go read it again, then read it a few more times. Try doing it sober so you can understand what I am saying and not try to look at it with some 5th dimension perspective (Actually I’m speaking from the 6th or 7th regardless, it’s called HIGHER LOGIC!! I did understand it, I just didn't acknowledge pointless bits... I guess Ill have to try to ‘dumb it down’ for you in the future). And then, in all your highness and self absorbed feelings, you contradict yourself by saying you are better:

Here is what I am thinking, who are you to tell me my opinion is wrong? Oh wait, you must have recieved a telepathic msg from God while triping on LSD(patronizing I think so, how do you know i didn't!?!?!!). Attention everyone...THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT DO DRUGS....THEY SERIOUSLY SCREW UP YOUR BRAIN!!! <<<----- D.A.R.E. Graduates yeah! You couldn't back this up if your life depended on it. Scare tactics. Misinformation. THIS IS ALL GOING OVER YOU HEAD...

I was not referring to LSD when I was speaking about communication with god.

I am no better than you because organically we are the same... we both have the same "potential". Nothing I'm speaking of is exclusive to me. By the way Jesus ALWAYS spoke from higher logic.

I'm not self absorbed, I have deep love for those around me and you can't validly claim that I’m "not peaceful" any more than I can write off you supposed, "LSD Experience." If I’m a bit too aggressive to get my point across it’s likely because you not understanding, and my personal flaw is certainly patients… like a child standing in a group of adults having a conversation… ½ of what I say goes directly over your head.

No, but I'm pretty sure being peacfull does include politness.

I didn't randomly approach you on the street and start preaching in your face... you came to a message board about the subject to engage a heated argument about you perspective. Of course a 'cuss word' is going to go off... big deal, your 27 time, get the fuck over it.

Perhaps you realy do need to seek help with your drug problem. It seems to be affecting your ability to interact with others.

If I’m addicted to anything, its cannabis, caffeine, and a mild tobacco addiction… I realize all the consequences of all these and I know more about all three than anyone else I know…so I know where I stand. I have a good deal of will power and self control so when my time with one or all of these are over it really won’t be such a big deal. Sorry not on irresponsible coke binges or at 13 smoking “the stalk off of one of those busy sharp plants with the white fuzzy stuff. You didn’t even know what drug you were taking! You sir, have no right to talk to me about addictions and responsible drug use because you highlighted you lack of respect and responsibility for it from the beginning.

"So what is your son up to lately"...."Oh we are so proud of him...he is a drug addict!”(propaganda vocabulary, why not just say ‘dope fiend’).

Again this is about what society will approve of, NOT right and wrong! God and society are not the same thing…

If you lack the ability to read and understand a post then again, I suggest you get help. (I had no trouble understanding it, that doesn’t mean I have to stoop to your level to argue back) Please from now on, refer to the quoted text then my text. I clearly Broke away from talking about his lack of peace by using the word....what was it....can you guess it....Anyways (who cares what you broke away from, irrelevant!). As far as the rest of it, I was being honest. Perhaps hearing 13 yr old girls mentioning sex in a way that implies they are having sex doesn't bother you … you are comparing two vastly different aspects of the human life, in a sensationilst ‘fox news’ way… it is ‘statictaly proven’ that there are as many 18 yr old virgins today as there was in the 1950s… human sexuality will never change…but our understanding of how to handle it hopefully will[this does not mean I support twisted shit like child molestation, either…

Again, your post do not resemble that of someone wanting peace and love in their life. (only because you provoke me) Your post more resembles that of a goth person crying "no one loves me" and "I dress this way to be different" while standing in a crowd of 30,000 other goth people dressed the same way you are. By the way, I'm 27. I'm sorry I did not conform to your ways and fill out all my information. I was trying to be a hippie by revolting against the "forum man".

You couldn’t have gotten everything, especially me, more backwards… I defiantly am not conformist… its funny cause of the hundreds of people I know here, I can’t think of one ‘enemy’… in fact even people that I don’t like so much I still am nice and polite to them so long as they are to me.

You simply don’t know how to argue. You use childish rhetoric to end points without even arguing anything.

You are right. I support helping others. I support soldiers over seas giving people a chance at the freedom they should have been born with (could have been approached/dealt with in an million other more healthy ways). As a matter of fact, as discussed on another topic here, I'll even support you and your family. I'll support your right to cry and complain. I'll take it one step further and let you know that I'll even fight in your place, so you can sit back smoke your drugs and try to hold on to the enlightenment you think you have.

When I say I don’t support the FUCKED war… that doesn’t mean that I want to see any on me peers and country men come back in American flag shrouded caskets! The reason you should not trust the American government is not that they are inherently evil, that is just ridiculous pot-head paranoia, but you should mentally approach it with the same skepticism you do any major “self interest” group. Do you think the people working for the GOV. want to keep their jobs? Of course they do… I don’t want them to be there in the first place, I wish they were home enjoying their lives…

As you may recall from your bible (a book written by MAN, not god)… John the Baptist said of society when speaking to Jesus at a baptism in the desert, “the tree is rotten to the core, we must cut down the whole thing”, guess what, society hasn’t changed since then, still founded on the very same principles. Greed, Ignorance, Behavioral Assimilation, its all the same barrel of crap.

I seek to cut out the middle man… as with anything the middle man adds and takes from any experience… my god and your god are certainly the same, I just happen to have spoken with him(metaphorically of course). If your one of those fundamentalist Christian… think about it this way if the bible is the “exact word of god” recorded by a human… then my expirences communicating with god are just as credible.

continued...

Psilodelix

06-24-2004, 03:32 PM

and to adress the rest of this dilusion...

Ahhh, my lunar forest... Can't stay off that bandwagon can you? Everyone notice how she failed to reply to anything else that was posted?
(just because she feels strongly against your opinion like myself, does not mean she’s ‘jumping on the band wagon’… it called agreeing on something)

I hate to burst your bubble, but you conform to loads of stuff daily. Even in the hippie movement you conformed to someone else’s ideas. (NO, I did not, again I’m not a hippie, hippies are a pseudo-enlightened stage of hedonistic enjoyment of nature and the body… but it can never be completely satisfying state of existence… however what I know is!… I have absolutely no fear of death, doesn’t mean I want to die of course, but when my time comes there will absolutely no fear, I can say that with complete confidence) You want to be different, that's fine, be different. But please quit acting like you aren't a conformist. We all are in some way or another. (everyone conforms to some level, this is always a given, we do have to live near each other)

Nathan11 I really don't care if you ignore me or not. These people here apparently have a problem with an outside opinion. That of wich does not conform to their ideas of right and wrong. Shame they call themselves hippies and yet act totaly different. I personally thought the hippie movement was for peace and love. Apparently, I was wrong. (it’s not pure peace and love you idiot… ;) you obviously were never a ‘hippie’ because you would come to realize like we all do, at the end of the day were all human… being a hippie is not just a list of behavioral guidelines, it is a life philosophy, like the Chinese way of life is their philosophy…)

SHAME ON YOU FOR HAVING THE ARRAGOANCE TO THINK YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT A ‘HIPPIE’ IS, OR UNDERSTAND THE RICH PHILOSOPHY BEHIND IT. YOU’RE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN AND WE’VE ONLY GOT STAINED GLASS WINDOWS…

Sigh:

Actualy, prayer is required and called upon as noted in The Bible. Maybe your god requires that you be high on drugs to communicate with him..however, my God asks only that I talk to Him, and listen to Him through the Holy Spirit. As for the rest of your rubbish, well I have no clue where you are comming from or where you are heading. I have a realationship with God. It is not neccessary for me to use drugs of any kind to get a response from Him. Of course drugs are not necessary to communicate with god, I only claim the proper ones make it much easier… trust me when I say I have felt the embrace of what you call “the holy spirit”… I would not lie about something so serious to me…

If a man rapes and kills your mother, what gives us the right to punnish him? Who is to say that that was an imoral act? (that man has crossed the line of respect the humans should have for all organisms! He has maliciously attacked your mother not only with the physical and sexual aggression but spiritually as well! He should be punished!!, how to go about doing that is an entire additional page long argument)As a matter of fact...what gives you the right to tell me what I can and can't say? (I’m not stopping you, I support you right to say it even if I hate what your saying, that’s why I don’t want everyone to start blocking you!!!) Yeah, I figure you will need a while to reply to that one. Maybe msg this drugy here and see if he can communicate with his god and give you an inlightend reply. (just an immature attack on MY PERSONAL BELIEFS… I didn’t say your beliefs were wrong, I just said mine were right. This is just the type of patronizing shit that I hear all the time... this is what causes all the contempt I have for you larvals, not even contempt anymore...more like sadness, I want to save you all but there is just not enough time in my life to make it happen.

So the fact that I KNOW I communicate with god makes me blasphemous? Guess who else was called blasphemous by society during his time… Why don't you just grab a stone…

Jesus said to the high priests upon storming the temple, "god is not an Israelite”. Well guess what “god is not an American either”.

When I was using, I wasn't telling anyone not to do drugs. I would have offered them to you so we could party together. Wise men learn from other mens mistakes, fools by their own. I was a fool at that time, and had to learn on my own the hard way. I am not a hypocrite for telling someone to stay awat from drugs. Had I been using and saying that then I would be. Please look up the definition so you can understand.

You are in the sense that, from what you write, you view drugs as inherently evil… which is the most ridiculous claim… like all things their potential for ‘bad’ is as strong as their ‘pontential for good’. You are not a hypricrate.. and I never said you were at least on this subject.

Yeah, my real father had that same idea. He used to love beating on my mother and myself. Then I was adopted and my uncle used to love putting his penis inside me. Yeah, someone should have let him keep doing that because he liked it right?

You must be a really sick fuck in real life… I’m feeling a real sense of pity for you. One last thing… I’m not a fucking ‘drugy’ (you can’t even spell it)! I’m an Existentialist, Philosopher, Tripper, Lover, and Spiritual Being and I live my life in peace knowing all that I need to know… Ever since my spiritual awakening I am 100 times closer to my friends, my family, my existence… I think you might even be a little jealous… I grew up catholic 16 years in the church, there is nobody that’s going to tell me anything new about Christianity… especially because modern day Christianity is probably thickly diluted by their own materialistic fetishes… Jesus was so heavily misunderstood!!! …but I gave up practicing religion that way, since you like to make all your metaphors disturbingly sexual(which is obviously a hang up of some sort for you) … you are having sex with the cosmos with a very very thick condom, I’m going at it au natural ;) …

-PsDX

Psilodelix

06-24-2004, 03:56 PM

What is is exactly that makes you a "Real American"? Is it that you derive you opionons on life from the mainstream, you assimilate well? Because you are admently aginst change of consciousness or that you're just afraid that I really do know the way to speak with god and it is not a privelage exclusive to certain people. When you have spoken to god... has he ever spoken back?... is this a conversation or is it just you kneeling in a room talking to yourself? When it comes down to religion you're definatly on a placebo (with a placebo effect!).
You are extremely ethnocentric as well!!

You ignored my question: "If GOD were to speak to you... how could you imagine he would go about it?" Remember, I believe in the same god...

Leary Explains in detail the difficulty I'm having explaining the unexplainable to you:
"Most larvals live in terror of being seen as sinful or "bad." Constant reassurance is required to maintain the feeling of being socially approved. In communicating with larvals about sexual, philosophic, or ethical matters, one enters very dangerous terrain. It is almost impossible to discuss philosophy with yokels. Hypocrisy, unconscious motivation, irrational paradox, need for approval and fear-of-shame dominate every discussion of philosophy-religion. Larvals may be bored by and may tune-out Circuit 3 symbols which do not fit their imprints and conditioned networks. But Circuit 4 moral symbols or behaviors which are sensed as different trigger off responses of passion and even violence. Because of this philosophic sensitivity, yokel humans tend to avoid philosophic discussions.
This phobia can cause painful reactions when a post-larval attempts to discuss exo-psychology with a mundane [human].
The reasons for this philosophic phobia:
1. Yokels are ignorant about where life came from, where it is going and why. They are thus terrified by their mortality. Each larval has accepted a flimsy philosophy of life-and-death which SHe does not really believe. Thus the irritation and panic when this basic hypocrisy is threatened by a scientific discussion about life-origin and life destination.

"The Lutheran church has always been based on the Bible," explains Phil Beck, Production Manager of a local paint company and the superintendent of the Church's Sunday School. "If you start questioning it, where do you stop? If I have to have that much education to sit down and understand Genesis, then why did God let Luther put it in the people's language? At what point do I throw the whole mad mess out the door?" Time magazine

2. Yokels are robot-slaves to DNA. They blindly labor to perpetuate the species, to breed, to establish domestic arrangements for rearing young and to transmit cultural survival patterns. Any discussion which threatens to expose or question this robothood is extremely painful. The larval cannot tolerate the insight into uneasy areas of uncertainty.
3. Expression and inhibition of sexual behavior is charged with terror, because orgasm and sperm-egg transfer must be domesticated to provide for stable child rearing.

The word "Hippy" is a generic term for the first post-larval stages describing those who genetically (Zodiac type) , neurologically (imprint) or historically (hedonic/sub-cultures) get trapped in passive-receptive hedonic life styles. Transcendental masturbation.
The first post-Hiroshima generation has produced millions of Zen "Hippies" who have evolved from the mundane but do not realize that they are extra-terrestrial.

In communicating with larvals one must realize that discussions about life, death, philosophic ultimates, child-rearing, sexuality - are highly individualistic. Reactions to these topics are unpredictable, depending on the intimacy and safety of the situation. "

Sorry everyone, about the excessive length, but I wanted to attempt to drag out the entire agrument and just 'lay it all out on the table' so RA won't be able to respond with another pedandric argument about the symantics of someones post.

-PsDX

Real American

06-24-2004, 10:20 PM

(Actually I’m speaking from the 6th or 7th regardless, it’s called HIGHER LOGIC!! I did understand it, I just didn't acknowledge pointless bits... I guess Ill have to try to ‘dumb it down’ for you in the future). Look at you, being a hypocryite. I remeber you mentioning something to the fact that cutting someone down was wrong. Also, with you stating that you will not "acknowledge pointless bits", well, that's your opinion. I myself see your ranting and raving as insanity, the product of over dosing on drugs. You can argue all you want, I see in you where drugs alter your mind so much that you begin to believe what it is these drugs show you. Oh, and now that you showed us where you recieved your higher learning from, I now see as should everyone else that you in fact are a conformist. Conforming to this guys ideas and beliefs and making them your own. Most everything else you said I looked at with comic relief. Calling people larvals doesn't place you in a spot above them? From what I can tell, you are still a child growing up and doing what is natural for a teenager and rebelling. From what I can tell you are seeking attention that you didn't recieve but should have. I feel sorry for you. Everything else you said, well I disagree. The only thing left to point out is you still open your mouth and say something to me when I wasn't directing it to you.

You must be a really sick fuck in real life… I’m feeling a real sense of pity for you. I am a sick person because I was sexualy abused? The guy said clearly:If doing something makes someone happy, then let them do it god dammit. I was simply using more of my lifes expiriences to show him where he was flawed. I guess you would like me to appologize for my uncle raping me?

Now, to get this subject back on track. I voiced my opinions, others voiced theirs. Several points were good and made by other posters. I still disagree with several. Again I'll state that "the magic of the 60's" was just a way of living back then. You can still find people living their life in the same way. I personaly think that in the end you yourself are the one that decides if this "magic" is present in your life or not.

lover/young_peace

06-24-2004, 10:59 PM

Yeah, my real father had that same idea. He used to love beating on my mother and myself. Then I was adopted and my uncle used to love putting his penis inside me. Yeah, someone should have let him keep doing that because he liked it right?
no no no... wrong idea. If you like it and you don't hurt anybody else.

When you use drugs , you don't hurt anybody else and should be able to do so in peace. On the other hand, sometimes people abuse them, and other people do get hurt, liked family and loved ones.... in which case I would not be in support of that persons drug habit.

If you hurt yourself, by living a sex, drugs, and rock & roll type lifestyle I got no problems with that. But when a person hurts other people's lives they have no right to do that, and that is a whole different story. But someone living that type of lifestyle within certain limits would normally not hurt anybody... except maybe themselves, wich is their own fault , their own choice, their own business. When your lifestyle becomes more then your own business and starts to really hurt the people around you... then obviously help is needed because you areaffecting other people and restricting ther freedom of choice.

Beating and raping hurt other people VERY BADLY! that is a very different subject , does not fall into this category, and is certainly not acceptable.

I rather enjoy having you here , RA , because you seem to be pretty reasonable and although I disagree with you on many things, I don't sense that you are really trying to attack anyone's beliefs here. It is always good to talk to someone with different points of view, because it makes me examine the things I believe. So thanks. I still disagree, but thanks anyway!

grendel 44

06-25-2004, 04:29 AM

Thank you Real American. We need discussion, however, you have made your point, over and over and over and over and over again. You need to get a personal forum to continue your ranting and arguments with others here. You and another person have turned this into your own battlefield. This is interesting for a while but it gets a bit old. You need to look a bit further than the end of your nose.
You do not appear to think that others are entitled to their opinions. America, being (I think) for freedom of speech, the right to carry arms and "in god we trust", gives us ALL the right to say whatever we want and then shoot people who disagree, and to believe in the bible verbatim. :rolleyes:

Whatever, dude. Just remember that the last people who listened to a bush ended up in the desert for 40 years.

lunar forest

06-25-2004, 06:20 AM

I'm with you, g44!

lover/young_peace

06-25-2004, 06:22 AM

grendel for president

;)

alice_d_millionaire

06-25-2004, 06:33 AM

my god! this Real American guy is everywhere! and he never has anything nice to say... can't we all be civil to one another? this is the HIP forums, right?

lover/young_peace

06-25-2004, 06:52 AM

i am hip.

so are you.

we're all hip.

we just hide it sometimes. :D

Ocean Byrd

06-25-2004, 07:12 AM

If a man rapes and kills your mother, what gives us the right to punnish him? Who is to say that that was an imoral act? As a matter of fact...what gives you the right to tell me what I can and can't say? Yeah, I figure you will need a while to reply to that one.

Actually, it will take minimal time as it is obvious that your brain just does not click.

...but I did say that you have no right to tell others how they should live their lives or what is morally correct.

Hey, look, I didn't say that I don't have any morals, I just said that you don't have the right to tell other people to live or what is morally correct in your eyes. You lose; again.

[/QUOTE=Real American]When I was using, I wasn't telling anyone not to do drugs. I would have offered them to you so we could party together. Wise men learn from other mens mistakes, fools by their own. I was a fool at that time, and had to learn on my own the hard way. I am not a hypocrite for telling someone to stay awat from drugs. Had I been using and saying that then I would be. Please look up the definition so you can understand.[/QUOTE]

Wow, razor edged wit you got there. Hey, did you ever stop a second to consider the fact that there are people out there who are responsible drug users? You know, the people who can regulate their use and not let it effect their everyday activities? Guess not.

Yeah, my real father had that same idea. He used to love beating on my mother and myself. Then I was adopted and my uncle used to love putting his penis inside me. Yeah, someone should have let him keep doing that because he liked it right?

Oh, I'm sure they did it because they liked it; not because they had severe social issues and problems coping with various emotions, not at all.

And to leave you with something that I hope you soon won't forget:

You know, for being a "Real American," you sure don't believe in the ideals set forth by our founding forfathers; FREEDOM.

lunar forest

06-25-2004, 07:18 AM

grendel 44 for president!!! my god! this Real American guy is everywhere! and he never has anything nice to say... can't we all be civil to one another? this is the HIP forums, right? Oh man, don't even get me started! ;)

I love you, RA, I do, I just think you're a little messed up and confused, and I'm sure you think worse about me! Just take a minute to feel the lovie vibes from me, because you probably won't feel 'em again; I'm having a hard time just being able to stand you, man!

NCguitarhippie

06-25-2004, 07:29 AM

grendel 44 for president

RA, although i totally disagree with you on everything that you have said and i believe that you just don't want to accept other peoples beliefs and ideas (you wont even consider them) we still accept you and want you to add your opinions to our forums. i would just like to ask of you not to be so negative and to point out things that you agree with. it would make for a much more positive and optimistic enviornment here at hipforums.

thank you,
keith sweezy

Real American

06-25-2004, 11:53 AM

RA, although i totally disagree with you on everything that you have said and i believe that you just don't want to accept other peoples beliefs and ideas (you wont even consider them) we still accept you and want you to add your opinions to our forums. i would just like to ask of you not to be so negative and to point out things that you agree with. it would make for a much more positive and optimistic enviornment here at hipforums. I'll not even reply to anyone elses posts. I'm sorry if you think that I am being negative. You say to me you are sorry I won't accept others ideas. Isn't that what you all are doing? Not accepting mine? Thats all I'm doing. Someone else started this thread. I didn't attack anyone, I simply posted my beliefs on the subject. At wich point one of the peacful members here decided to attack my ideas on the subject. Of course I am going to defend myself. I do listen to what people have to say, at wich point I consider it. If I find it interesting, or plausable then I am sure to believe it. However if I disagre with it, are you asking me not to post my disagrement? You see where I am going with this? These are forums. This is the whole conceopt behind them. You or I post and someone replies. It actualy seems in almost everyother persons post with the exception of a few that they are getting mad. Look at the vulgar language used by members here. I have yet to get mad at someones opinion simply because, it is their opinion and they have the right to it. That does not mean that I have to accept it, nor them accept my opinion. One last thing, you see I tried to get the topic back on track.... sense then, 9 post later, not a single one of you have kept on topic. Everyone of you are either attacking my beliefs, or my character. Now do you see why the word hypocrite is used so often in my posts? Why aren't you attacking grendal for attacking me? Or that psilowhatever guy?

Psilodelix

06-25-2004, 03:55 PM

Of all the people who have gone on to do something nifty in life, how many were stererotypical or average thinkers?... you are afraid of your own mind!... I can't even think of five examples.

Real American, you have a really lame way of quoting people out of context, and then turning the argument into something else... I have an amazing life and you could'nt even imagine the levels of fun I have... with and with out drugs... there is nothing that winds me up more than being lamey insulted by someone who has little understanding of the core of life, much less mine, its like being constantly poked at by a small child, fucking irratating. In the end it's all ok because you really create all the nessacary retorts for me buy just saying some really oblivious things. Relativly, You have no capacity for the abstract thought.
Well... I'm quite finished here anyway, I couldn't give a shit in hell to try to share "magic" with people who are always paranoid they're being ripped off... even in philosophy. I even drew every parallel I could find to christanity in hopes that might help get the point across... after all we are always talking about the same creater wheather we believe he's the same in our images of 'him' or not.

Once again, completely regardless of drugs of any sort, you need to open your mind... don't like drugs? fine... meditate, buddhism, yoga, trippy lights! whatever works. Oh, And I will post as long and as frequently as I feel is nessacary, fuck anybody's opinion that has a problem with it, I already apologized when I really had no reason to.... As I continue to argue, I just can't help but get worked up because the frustration with other unnamed posters whom are really really thick. I asked a lot of really difficult questions and you never answered any of them in a remotely productive manner. I quoted dr. leary because I AGREED with what he had wrote, not 'jumped on the band wagon', at his higher level of education, he has a more productive and explanatory vocabluary.

The difference between me and you Is the fact that I can accept that 'your world', just may infact, be the only way... I don't really believe that at all... but, I always understand that it is a small possibility that my vision was all a dilusion... and when I die I'll find out that for sure won't I... and so will you...

I think the real problem is you won't even allow yourself to imagine "blasphomous" thoughts. Drugs are cetrainly NOT the answer, this is pretty much a given(very obvious to everyone), but the perspective they leave behind is... I know, that you know that you will always be searching for something... you will never be truly "content" until you understand the true nature of what is "LIFE" (and soceital relationshipshave no bearing on this bart of inner discovery. I never (seriously)respected "god" or the idea until I met 'him.' I really wish I could philosophize with people about ETHNOGENS and their uses for humanity with out geting a hand full of propaganda and rethoric jamed down my throat.

To fight with nature is to fight with god. God's thread weaves through the entire fabric of life on this planet, abusing nature is abusing god. Period. "What came first the chicken or the egg", it is a trick question in one way, but this silly question can prove a real point if you can figure it out.

I'm not quite clear on this but did jesus himself ever claim that he was "the only son of god"? Be very clear, what jesus said and what is writen down in the bible are two seperate things... by their own admission, the apostles even took a decade of two(not sure exactly) after his death to start writing the gospels. How clearly do you remember the details of 20 years ago?

I think that almost everyone else here "knows what I'm talking about" at least a little bit, on some level... or if not they use the power of imagination... but RA you seem to not even be able to fathom the possibility. Everything we are talking/arguing about applys to everyone because as with "the magic of the 60s" one of the major problems is these two almost 'polar' opposite outlooks on what life is about. I try to use sarcasm to higlight importance and show contrast, but that assumes wit and intelegence on behalf of the reader... which apparently was a bigger assumption than I thought.

I think that the metaphysical is pretty well acnoledged, even by the 'square community'. It's very embarasing for those who think that 'Hippies' shouldn't argue because their supposed to be peaceful, humans having conflicting ideas will never stop... and thank OUR god that is the case. But to say If you're peaceful you must always be passave, is just plain stupid.

The trick is not to think of "more ideas", it's to think of the same ideas in many different ways. Perspective.

Christ was temped one last time... given the chance to excape crusifiction and have a fmaily and children and a 'happy' life... but he was so burdened with the truth that he had to allow his martyredom to happen inorder to solidify his message...

I'm done, anybody that thinks I'm tring to 'mind fuck' someone or that I'm playing games in any way, just too fucking bad for you. As a human the most I can accomplish in my lifetime would be to try to convice other humans of what I see as human purity and evolution... this is what it means to truly "love your fellow man", my frustration and anger only comes form my despiration to help others as I know I've helped myself.. enjoy your hollywood movie of a life... I really suppose that "IGNORANCE IS BLISS".

-PsDX

Ocean Byrd

06-26-2004, 09:04 AM

You say to me you are sorry I won't accept others ideas. Isn't that what you all are doing? Not accepting mine? Thats all I'm doing.

You're shoving your views down our throats, how are we supposed to accept them? I have never aggressively responded to one of your posts unless it was an attack on my person; of which there were plenty.

Someone else started this thread. I didn't attack anyone, I simply posted my beliefs on the subject. At wich point one of the peacful members here decided to attack my ideas on the subject. Of course I am going to defend myself.

Oh yes, I attacked your incorrect statement, so sorry for trying to educate you on the fact that the 60's weren't all about drugs...

I do listen to what people have to say, at wich point I consider it. If I find it interesting, or plausable then I am sure to believe it. However if I disagre with it, are you asking me not to post my disagrement? You see where I am going with this?

You sure didn't seem willing to believe that I gain certain benefits and don't have an addiction, yet it's perfectly plausable; but then I see that your ignorance shines through (pardon the bluntness).

These are forums. This is the whole conceopt behind them. You or I post and someone replies.

True, but it doesn't help when someone decides to be disruptive; stop playing the victim, you're the one who heated the debate that started this whole fiasco.

[QUOTE=Real American]It actualy seems in almost everyother persons post with the exception of a few that they are getting mad. Look at the vulgar language used by members here. I have yet to get mad at someones opinion simply because, it is their opinion and they have the right to it. That does not mean that I have to accept it, nor them accept my opinion.

Words are words, they are simply a way of expressing the fact that their views/patience are being tried; which leads me to think that you are only trying to be a nuisance. I haven't gotten mad at any of your opinions, except when you were directing them at someone without much knowledge of who they really are. I found it offensive and rather annoying when you kept on about how I was contradicting myself over and over when I really wasn't; again, words are words, I may have said something and meant something else. See, if you'd not read the words and learn to read between the lines, maybe this wouldn't drag on and on.

One last thing, you see I tried to get the topic back on track.... sense then, 9 post later, not a single one of you have kept on topic. Everyone of you are either attacking my beliefs, or my character. Now do you see why the word hypocrite is used so often in my posts? Why aren't you attacking grendal for attacking me? Or that psilowhatever guy?

Because you are the reason why we keep going off topic; that's why.

grendel 44

06-26-2004, 09:06 AM

Grendel here again. This has turned out to be a great thread. I love debate. I have no idea why it is still called the Magic of the 60s. All the same, it is showing that we do have the right to our own beliefs and opinions.
Real American, I love you for sticking with your beliefs. You may not like mine, but I have to smile about that.
I am just a little old english woman and although I have been in this country for years I still , cannot understand the american moral mindset where violence and hatred on TV and in the movies are perfectly acceptable but sex and rebellion against the machine are not.

You may be surprised to know that I agree with you on a lot of what you say about recreational drugs. I have taken LSD in the past and I honestly do not believe that they are of any benefit. The drugs that are around now that are said to be LSD, are mostly poison, more strychnine than anything else. Sure it causes hallucinations, but it is not the same as what was around in the 60s.

Please, all of you, keep on with this thread, I am loving it.

Ocean Byrd

06-26-2004, 09:49 AM

You may be surprised to know that I agree with you on a lot of what you say about recreational drugs. I have taken LSD in the past and I honestly do not believe that they are of any benefit. The drugs that are around now that are said to be LSD, are mostly poison, more strychnine than anything else. Sure it causes hallucinations, but it is not the same as what was around in the 60s.

Strychnine can not be in blotter paper; the pores are too small for it. And yes, LSD quality has gone downhill, it's not even half as strong as it was in the 60's; but it was legal back then. So, it's likely that they had the ability to perfect the stuff rather than a bunch of make-shift organic chemists today.

Real American

06-26-2004, 11:21 AM

Oh yes, I attacked your incorrect statement, so sorry for trying to educate you on the fact that the 60's weren't all about drugs... That is what you said to me Ocean Byrd. You also said that because I wasn't alive then, I couldn't posibly know. I'm not sure what there is to read betwen the lines there. But it sure looks like hipocracy to me. You telling me I can't know, but that you do know, but you wernt alive then....The words you type are your rawest feeling shown. There is no boundry. It comes straight from your brain to the words. Nothing lost in translation. So, from now on, if you mean to say something, say it, don't say one thing then come back and say you meant something else. Oh, and I still stand by my beliefs that the "magic" of the 60's was based on a drug using society. I'm sure that there were a few hippies out there that didn't use. But I BELIEVE that most did use.

The drugs that are around now that are said to be LSD, are mostly poison, more strychnine than anything else. Ocean, I believe grendel is refering to the new and improved liquid lsd. As I said in a previous post. When I was using lsd, we had little pieces of papper, and eye drops were just comming out. Some type of liquid form that I never tried. And lastly to you Ocean, if you were to go back to the begining of this topic, and re read it. You would see that the person named Republican said far worse things(at least this is what I think) than I did. You will also notice that the discusion was going on just fine, until you steped in and started attacking what I believed. No forcing of my ideas was being done. Nothing of the sort. You attacked me and I quote: Yes, that's right, drugs ruin lives. No, it could never be the the fact that some people can't control their use, not at all; it must be the drugs that make people ruin their lives.

How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older. Nothing to read inbetween the lines there. From that point on I had to defend my beliefs. I quoted you on practicly everything you said and questioned it. Just like I am doing now. Here is a challenge for you, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Grendel: I don't hate anything you say or believe. As a matter of fact, I don't hate anyone here, or anyone for that matter. The Bible taught me to "love oneanother". And so I do. Doesn't mean I accept the sin, just the sinner. As for your statement:I still , cannot understand the american moral mindset where violence and hatred on TV and in the movies are perfectly acceptable but sex and rebellion against the machine are not. I can only assume it is because we are human. Evil is in our nature from the begining. Even at a young age you can see rebelion at work. Example "honey, don't touch that stove, it's hot and will burn you." and what does the child do?

Psilodelix

06-26-2004, 04:02 PM

Evil is in our nature from the begining. Even at a young age you can see rebelion at work. Example "honey, don't touch that stove, it's hot and will burn you." and what does the child do?
Rebellion usually implys and beligerance and close mindedness about whatever idea it may be their rebelling against, often associated with youth. Questioning Authority and rebelion are not nessacarly the same.

You need some Manna... Some of OUR gods creation.... to put it this way "the effect(of 'tripping') would not occur in the human brain If it wasn't the intention of our creater for this expirence to happen". God does not play dice.

I am doing what I was instructed to do by god. Consume the natural psychedelics of the world, in accoradnce with nature and suprisingly enough even The Bible . Don't base you reglious beliefs on HERESY, base them on personal involvement.

"Just as the world "as it is" is neither democratic nor socialist, neither good nor bad, positive nor negative, so it is neither religious nor scientific. It is simply as it is. Religion, like science, is just another way of trying to figure out what the world is, just a different set of filters through which we sift our experience to try to explain things which, according to all the other filters we use, are difficult to explain."
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The Bible never tells us exactly what manna was and where it came from, but there are many Old Testament passages which describe its physical qualities and conditions associated with its appearance. The Bible's first reference to manna is in the Book of Exodus as the children of Israel are fleeing from Egypt and following Moses into the wilderness. After six weeks of wandering, they began complaining to Moses that they are tired and hungry. What happens next is truly extraordinary:
"Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will vain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or no (16:4). And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground (16: 14). And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat."
Although translations have obscured the intent of this passage, it seems to be a description of how to find and identify manna and distinguish it from other non- psychoactive (or possibly lethal) mushrooms. Look for the small round things which are like bread, come with the rain, and seem to have heavenly (bluish) coloring. Psilocybe mushrooms also sprout in tiny pin heads which branch out in all directions and bear a resemblance to hoar frost.

It is also interesting to note that Moses tells the children of Israel that manna comes directly from Heaven to test them on whether or not they will walk in God's law. Here is evidence that manna was endowed with unusual spiritual powers, like those of magic mushrooms. However, manna does not automatically confer spiritual power. Instead, it serves as a test. Magic mushrooms would provide visionary experiences that would certainly test all who ingested them. Moses also said that the manna is literally the "bread of the lord" which is remarkably similar to the literal Aztec name for psilocybe mushrooms, "flesh of the gods."

But how and why did the manna suddenly appear? Again referring to the Bible, it is clear that the children of Israel had journeyed to a land where there was dew in the morning. As a large, nomadic tribe, the Israelites brought a lot of cattle and sheep together in the area. That meant a great deal of manure. The change of climate from the arid lands of Egypt to the dewy climate of the wilderness created ideal conditions for the propagation and spread of psilocybe mushrooms in livestock dung.

In Exodus 12: 19-20, we find more references to manna.

And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning (16:19). Notwithstanding they harkened not unto Moses. but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms and stank: and Moses was wroth with them(16.20). And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating. and when the sun waxed hot it melted...(16:21).

Anyone familiar with wild mushrooms knows that they go bad very quickly and shrivel up under the heat of the sun, exactly like manna.
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If someone responds trying to convince me manna is simbolic of bread I will go crazy!

When one blind man follows another blind man, they both fall into the ditch.
--Kahlil Gibran

grendel 44

06-26-2004, 11:10 PM

"If someone responds trying to convince me manna is simbolic of bread I will go crazy!" says Psylodelix (sorry if I got it wrong).

I like the idea that it was mushrooms. The bible has been translated so many times, who knows what it really said originally, not to mention the bits that the catholic church decided to leave out for their own reasons (mostly new testament).

Read the book "the Hiram Key" by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas. Then come back and discuss christianity.

Love ya babe.

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.
Buddha

Psilodelix

06-27-2004, 01:15 AM

It's just a theory... but so is almost every aspect of Jesus's life. I see it as being quite possible that Jesus and possibly even buddah (soma has been purposed) achieved their enlightenment through ethnogens and maditation/prayer(Same thing).

Isn't the entire adolesance and early adulthood of Jesus's life almost a complete mystery?

I do recall reading somewhere in "streight literature" that there were Jewish mushroom cults surroounding the Dea Sea... as I recall the catholic chruch has withheld tons of material from the puplic like the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' for just one example.

I don't think that jesus said, "I am the only son of god". I think he said "I am the son of god", meaning that since all humans having the potential for awakened consciousness we are truly, "the sons of god". Christ understood this, christians didn't.

The Idea that humans (or anything else in nature for that mater) are inherantly evil is perverse and spiritualy immature.

I am not angry in any sense. I feel a cutting determination(sometmes too sharp) I cannot fight, to share what I have found.

-PsDX

Ocean Byrd

06-27-2004, 05:32 AM

That is what you said to me Ocean Byrd. You also said that because I wasn't alive then, I couldn't posibly know. I'm not sure what there is to read betwen the lines there. But it sure looks like hipocracy to me. You telling me I can't know, but that you do know, but you wernt alive then....The words you type are your rawest feeling shown... ...Oh, and I still stand by my beliefs that the "magic" of the 60's was based on a drug using society. I'm sure that there were a few hippies out there that didn't use. But I BELIEVE that most did use.

Go on believing whatever you want, but realize that not EVERYONE involved in countercoulture used drugs; I may not have lived then, but my parents know some people who were counterculture, just like themselves, that didn't use drugs. They weren't one of them, though.

Ocean, I believe grendel is refering to the new and improved liquid lsd. As I said in a previous post. When I was using lsd, we had little pieces of papper, and eye drops were just comming out. Some type of liquid form that I never tried.

I wouldn't call today's acid 'new and improved.' Secondly, LSD is in the form of a liquid before a sheet of blotter paper is set into it; there are a few other ways that LSD is made into hits.

And lastly to you Ocean, if you were to go back to the begining of this topic, and re read it. You would see that the person named Republican said far worse things(at least this is what I think) than I did. You will also notice that the discusion was going on just fine, until you steped in and started attacking what I believed. No forcing of my ideas was being done. Nothing of the sort. You attacked me and I quote: Nothing to read inbetween the lines there. From that point on I had to defend my beliefs. I quoted you on practicly everything you said and questioned it. Just like I am doing now. Here is a challenge for you, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

First of all, follow your own advice. Second, I came in around the same time you did, which is why I chose to highlight something that you said that I felt was incorrect and corrected it. I wouldn't call that an attack on your beliefs, but I would call it an attempt to remove a bit of ignorance from your seemingly narrow mind. Let's take a look at your post and my response, together; as you neglected to do earlier:

Sorry, but that euphoric time you speak of and refer to as the 60's was created by mass consumption of drugs. Of course they had no clue if they had money or not, the were stoned. Drugs of any kind taken for any reason other than medicinal purposes ruin your life. They do nothing for you. They alter your perception of time and the way you think for the worse. Yeah, you can have the 60's affect all over again. Just keep smoking your weed, taking your hits, doing the lines, and poping your pills. Your kids will thankyou for it!

Yes, that's right, drugs ruin lives. No, it could never be the the fact that some people can't control their use, not at all; it must be the drugs that make people ruin their lives.

How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older.

I don't know what the literary device is called, but I was basically being sarcastic about the matter; doesn't look like an 'attack' to me. Oh wait, so, you weren't shoving your views down our throats, yet you were saying that:

Sorry, but that euphoric time you speak of and refer to as the 60's was created by mass consumption of drugs.

Drugs of any kind taken for any reason other than medicinal purposes ruin your life.

Hmm, coulda fooled me. Also, do keep in mind that it isn't too smart to quote someone without full context, unless it's not important to what is being responded to. See, I just pulled up the original post that I responded to and it makes your whole paragraph on how it was an attack on you look like rubbish.

As for your statement: I can only assume it is because we are human. Evil is in our nature from the begining. Even at a young age you can see rebelion at work. Example "honey, don't touch that stove, it's hot and will burn you." and what does the child do?

Although this isn't directed at me; touching something hot out of curiosity is something quite different from disregarding what authority figures say. If a kid burns him/herself by touching a hot stove, do you think they are about to do it again? No. However, a 'rebellious' individual will still hold the same disregard for authority.

Finally, are you about done with dragging this on? I'm tired of disproving your claims about how I contradict myself, am a hypocrite, yadda yadda yadda... All it seems to do is cause you more greif than glory.

God

06-27-2004, 07:17 AM

Real American,

HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED FOR THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT??????

Real American

06-27-2004, 10:16 AM

Ocean Byrd

06-27-2004, 11:39 AM

Well, that certainly proves that no one should give a rats ass about any of your posts. It's funny how you ignore the people that present a really good point; ignorance is bliss, how you seem to be establishment, your lack of belief in freedom, it's odd that you ignore all of these 'attacks' on your beliefs and stick with ones you claim to have experience with. I guess I'm just surprised that someone who calls himself a "Real American" would be so quick as to talk without wit and be so close minded; you give American's a bad name, I'm sorry to say.

Psilodelix

06-27-2004, 04:40 PM

Yes ocean, sarcasim is an attack, so is "How old are you anyway? Obviously not 44 or even older.". However, I do realize when talking with a person such as yourself, it is impossable for that person to realize and admit where they went wrong. So, as I have decided to take that psilo/insaine guys posts with a grain of salt, so shall I take yours. From now on, I will reply to the adults on this forum. For the rest of you, I will take it as your lack of expirience, and understanding. For instance, this child that calls himself god, and asking me a stupid question: grain of salt.

Enjoy an eternaty in the real Hell you were too stupid to realize you're already living in. If I'm insane, Jesus Christ was also definatly insane. You can take those grains of salt a shove'em. Can you immagine how this type of person has no idea what John Lennon's "Imagine" is about, this guy thinks it's about going to Disney World. There was nothing wrong with any of my questions, they are fundamental questions of existance, just admit you have absoutly no idea. Do you have trouble spelling my name? Don't come here to play mommy... durring your life everytime you see these words draw this parallel. (any)REAL AMERICAN = DILUSIONAL

"psilo/insaine"?, real american, Fuck your opinion, you, and your loser substandard expirences. I tried, now I'm blocking this lost cause once and for all, so i can actually enjoy the forums!!!!
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Soceity has purchaced your SOUL!
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-PsDX

lover/young_peace

06-27-2004, 06:01 PM

Real American,

HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED FOR THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT??????

hahaha... good one God. (no, I'm not trying to suck up to you just so I can get into Heaven...) ;)

no but really everyone's fighting... oh you're immature, oh yeah, well you're a hypocrite. blahdy blah blah. some people made good points but they got lost in the fighting. If this is maturity, then it's over-rated. I can't follow what's happening anymore. I don't even know what you guys are talking about. Now, that is pretty much my own fault but still, I would be very appreciative if we all stopped the bickering. It's no fun anymore! :(

PEACE TREATY?!?!?!?!?!?

grendel 44

06-27-2004, 08:01 PM

hahaha... good one God. (no, I'm not trying to suck up to you just so I can get into Heaven...) ;)

no but really everyone's fighting... oh you're immature, oh yeah, well you're a hypocrite. blahdy blah blah. some people made good points but they got lost in the fighting. If this is maturity, then it's over-rated. I can't follow what's happening anymore. I don't even know what you guys are talking about. Now, that is pretty much my own fault but still, I would be very appreciative if we all stopped the bickering. It's no fun anymore! :(

PEACE TREATY?!?!?!?!?!?

It is too fun! I am having a blast with this thread. The bickering is a pain, but the debate is a good one. I do not agree with all of what everyone says, but there are a lot of good points being made. I have kinda lost track of what these points are, could someone reiterate? What is the discussion about. The magic of the 60s, I THINK NOT. It has gotten into some of our fundamental beliefs such as religion and there is a powder keg waiting to blow up here. Better that it is online than face to face I think.

I like it that there are people who have their beliefs and philosophy and stick with it. However, you cannot always say the other person is wrong just because they don't agree with you. You choose to disagree, but what EXACTLY is the disagreement?

JESUS IS COMING
HIDE YOUR BONG

Psilodelix

06-28-2004, 01:47 AM

You choose to disagree, but what EXACTLY is the disagreement

I say plants that grew from this earth or ethnogens (psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline cacti, ect...), they contain the chemicals they do for a reason, GOD's reason. Real American disagrees, he thinks he knows better than our creater

I say god is not exclusive to anyone,he is not a fucking health spa, no ONE 'saviour' who has the privaliage to talk to GOD... All people may talk to GOD by raising their consciousness weather through ethnogens or meditation ect... Real American disagrees.

I say time is a dimension of reality. We may choose to measure it or not but it's relavence to reality is determined by us. Real American (acts like he) disagrees, to see time in a linear past-present-future fassion.

I say the metaphysical is as "real" as the physical. Ethnogenic drugs open 'circut pathways in the brain' to see more of what already is there. "streight" scientists are in agreement that our reality is constructed by the ballance of chemicals in our brains, thus making my theory less hard to believe. Neurophysicists and Qunatium Physicists are starting to agree that consciousness is a function of the universe itself. Real American disagrees.

I say that Interaction with humans(friends, family, dating, sports, ect...) should be secondary to the understanding of what it means to be alive. To knowing GOD. I don't mean that you can "hear about god" from other people... I mean actually using the power of your mind to probe the universe for answers. The inside is out and the outside is in. The egg is a means of producing more chickens as a chick to producing more eggs. The universe hangs in a sublime trancedental balance.

I say that "sunshine daydreams" are a beuitiful and essencial part of life. Take even MDMA for example(I'm not claiming this is a sacrement) , a synthetic chemical. It causes an unadultered apperication for everyone around you which is not 'fake'... however the fact that you would certainly not be that sociable and lovie dovie to all these wankers without it, is what is 'fake' about the expirence. The emotions you are feeling are as real as sober emotions are, just cranked up!

I say a 'high', perticuallry a ethnogenic one, is a normal part of the human expirence and is certainly not the result of a toxic effect on the body. in other words, you're not 'getting high' by 'piosioning yourself'. I'd be willing to bet that Real American thinks every high is the result of poision effecting your body... I find most/many drug opponants belive this.

Real Americans point of view is the societaly manufactured one... It represents, Group think, disrespect for nature, materialistic fetishes, politics, and despiration. I believe that GOD instilled the power in us to find out for our selves.... What makes you think that society would be able to tell you the answer? Jesus was admently aginst the prevailing society of the time, the romans (who were "the most advanced humans" to the people of earth at that time...hmmm... I wonder what equils the roman empire today?). Don't allow yourself to become a COGNITIVE FACIST like our good ol' buddy Real American here.
If I lived in the age of the Roman Empire, I would live in Rome. I live in the age of the American Empire, so I live in New York. -John Lennon
(I believe he wanted to get to the core of the rotten tree.)

-PsDX

Psilodelix

06-28-2004, 01:47 AM

Real American cetrainly will not lay out his position in clear bullet points... Why not? you tell me... I just think he would not even be capable of doing so... Real American, consider this a challenge.

lover/young_peace (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=1529), if you're not following along with this battle i could certainly see how it owuld be boring and lengthy... however we are having a dispute over the very 'nature' of our existance... thus being very improtant argument to be having.

Real American just thinks I've done so many drugs that I have perminent brain damage, causing me to have delusional ideas about life and drugs... do I sound like I have brain damage to you? I believe exactly what I outlined above, and most people here will relate to at least a few if not all of the ideas I have said. These ideas are not 'mine' they are for everyone!

In fact the only difference between man and god is consciousness... does that mean that man can become god? I think not...

-PsDX

God

06-28-2004, 04:37 AM

Well, you can become God. It's easy.

Ocean Byrd

06-28-2004, 08:25 AM

I say time is a dimension of reality. We may choose to measure it or not but it's relavence to reality is determined by us. Real American (acts like he) disagrees, to see time in a linear past-present-future fassion.

I actually believe that time doesn't exist; it's just something man made, like language. Time is the way man keeps track of the events that have taken place over a stretch of eternity; it never stops. Of course, without this, we wouldn't have history, and without history, we wouldn't understand who or what we are. I dunno, it's an interesting concept to explore.

Also, I agree with your view on psychedelics at least. People have had near-death experiences which usually brings life-altering revalations; psychedelics can do the very same thing to someone who is seeking such a thing. I view psychedelics as a way to explore your consciousness and discover answers that you are seeking. The only people that think you're answers are wrong are people who have never truly wanted to answer the question.

Psilodelix

06-28-2004, 03:36 PM

I actually believe that time doesn't exist; it's just something man made, like language. Time is the way man keeps track of the events that have taken place over a stretch of eternity; it never stops. Of course, without this, we wouldn't have history, and without history, we wouldn't understand who or what we are. I dunno, it's an interesting concept to explore.

Well yea... were agreeing in different ways ;) . Bottom line we have agreed be cause we have both reconized mans atributed importance to 'time'.
Also, I agree with your view on psychedelics at least. People have had near-death experiences which usually brings life-altering revalations; psychedelics can do the very same thing to someone who is seeking such a thing. I view psychedelics as a way to explore your consciousness and discover answers that you are seeking.

Cheers, I'm glad you're with us on this key issue... I really don't understand why it is so hard for people to imagine that... "a drug could make you MORE aware of the natural world around you." When pharmacutical companies seek to develope medications and anti-depressants they seek to create a false sense of "wellness" (i.e. MDMA) without raising consciousness. Why is Cannabis illigal? Simple. Raises your consciousness (Leved 5, neurosomatic rapture circut). Why is alcohol, tobbaco, caffine legal? Not one ounce of consciousness from the lot. Alcohol works in the opposite direction of enlightenment... intoxication (which is fun every now and then too).
The only people that think you're answers are wrong are people who have never truly wanted to answer the question.

GOOD POINT!... it is a type of the most severe dinial. Or they may just be too afraid to find out that they have been doing it all wrong for 50 years and want something different for their life. I hate to draw the parallel because of it's insensetivity, but it's like thinking you might have HIV, and deciding to not take the test because you'd reather not know.
Well, you can become God. It's easy.hehehe... of course mate....the only devine exception is this guy :p ...

-PsDX

MarkN

06-28-2004, 03:36 PM

Well, you can become God. It's easy.

.......LOL God

Kitaro

06-28-2004, 09:34 PM

Real American cetrainly will not lay out his position in clear bullet points... Why not? you tell me... I just think he would not even be capable of doing so... Real American, consider this a challenge.

And why don't YOU change your opinion? Just because YOU think it's right, doesn't mean he thinks that too. And sorry, but... why do you want to change people's minds? Only fascists do that! You criticize him that much, but you don't realize that you are making a mistake too. I realize I don't agree with noone's opinion. I don't agree with THIS you wrote, «say that Interaction with humans(friends, family, dating, sports, ect...) should be secondary to the understanding of what it means to be alive. To knowing GOD» but I strongly agree with this

»I say that "sunshine daydreams" are a beuitiful and essencial part of life. Take even MDMA for example(I'm not claiming this is a sacrement) , a synthetic chemical. It causes an unadultered apperication for everyone around you which is not 'fake'... however the fact that you would certainly not be that sociable and lovie dovie to all these wankers without it, is what is 'fake' about the expirence. The emotions you are feeling are as real as sober emotions are, just cranked up!».

Maybe it's kinda imature to say what I agree or not, specially right now, but to show you are not being fully correct.

grendel 44

06-29-2004, 04:35 AM

Thank you PsyDX you have clarified a lot for me.

I say plants that grew from this earth or ethnogens (psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline cacti, ect...), they contain the chemicals they do for a reason, GOD's reason. Real American disagrees, he thinks he knows better than our creater

I say god is not exclusive to anyone,he is not a fucking health spa, no ONE 'saviour' who has the privaliage to talk to GOD... All people may talk to GOD by raising their consciousness weather through ethnogens or meditation ect... Real American disagrees.

Question: When you refer to GOD, what exactly do you mean?

I say the metaphysical is as "real" as the physical. Ethnogenic drugs open 'circut pathways in the brain' to see more of what already is there. "streight" scientists are in agreement that our reality is constructed by the ballance of chemicals in our brains, thus making my theory less hard to believe. Neurophysicists and Qunatium Physicists are starting to agree that consciousness is a function of the universe itself. Real American disagrees.
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Question: Are you saying that there is a different reality for each person, or that each person percieves a different reality? I agree that quantum physics is delving into time, conciousness and the nature of the universe. I have read some interesting stuff regarding some of this, however, there is only theory that has not been proven yet. They say that quantum physics will eventually lead us to a god (for want of a better word). I think we will find eventually that "god" is the collective conciousness of us all.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is what benefit you feel you are getting from ethnogens. I have to admit that I think there is something to that. I (in the long ago past) have had experiences with mescaline, psylocibin(cant spell it, we used to call it silly sybin) datura, hawaiian woodrose seeds, morning glory and LSD. I have had many experiences and felt at the time that my mind was opened. I had a couple of out-of-body experiences that showed me things that I have now forgotten.

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Real Americans point of view is the societaly manufactured one... It represents, Group think, disrespect for nature, materialistic fetishes, politics, and despiration. I believe that GOD instilled the power in us to find out for our selves.... What makes you think that society would be able to tell you the answer? Jesus was admently aginst the prevailing society of the time, the romans (who were "the most advanced humans" to the people of earth at that time...hmmm... I wonder what equils the roman empire today?). Don't allow yourself to become a COGNITIVE FACIST like our good ol' buddy Real American here.

I think RA is afraid of what he might find within himself. Jesus was an essene and very very jewish in thought. I do not think he was divine, I think he was a great leader for his time and was a priest along with his brother. One of them died because of his beliefs. One of them carried on until the sect was pretty much wiped out. However, if you do not listen to the roman church and look at the real history, you will find out many things that are still good for today. (Hope that made sense). Read the Hiram Key and Holy Blood, Holy Grail. You will find it most interesting that a decendant of Jesus family is alive and in France. The sangreal or bloodline has been protected for 2000 years and is what the holy grail is supposed to be.
-PsDX

Thanks again for a most enjoyable series of posts.

Psilodelix

06-29-2004, 04:16 PM

Question: When you refer to GOD, what exactly do you mean?
I'm refering to the most pure form of 'good' energy in the universe. The Polar end of 'good'... I 'see' god as purity, brilliance, and in every fraction of whatever measurement humans could come up with... he is contained in that too... I really believe that the universe/cosmos hangs in a sublime balance(this plays into the defination!?!)... I do find the task of explaining "GOD", extremely difficult, of course.

Question: Are you saying that there is a different reality for each person, or that each person percieves a different reality? I agree that quantum physics is delving into time, conciousness and the nature of the universe. I have read some interesting stuff regarding some of this, however, there is only theory that has not been proven yet. They say that quantum physics will eventually lead us to a god (for want of a better word). I think we will find eventually that "god" is the collective conciousness of us all.
well... hmmm... We all expirence the same "arena" in which we play our "sport"... but we are all at, "different positions on the field", and we have "different levels of expirence at the game". Our "physical ability" may also be more or less naturally inclined than "other players". I think we all share a common reality but always percieve everything our own way through our own set of filters.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is what benefit you feel you are getting from ethnogens. Certainly not wrong! ;) I have to admit that I think there is something to that. I (in the long ago past) have had experiences with mescaline, psylocibin(cant spell it, we used to call it silly sybin) datura, hawaiian woodrose seeds, morning glory and LSD. I have had many experiences and felt at the time that my mind was opened. I had a couple of out-of-body experiences that showed me things that I have now forgotten. But without continued use of the sacrements you can not be fully "involved", even though your mind is "perminantly expanded" to contain all the possibilities. I know that you've had enough real expirences that you still have a lasting changed patterns of thought... Maybe it's time for another voyage? I find within two weeks after a hefty psilocybin excrusion My memory/immagination of what exactly the expirence is like becomes somewhat clouded... although I can still "kind of" remember.

grendel 44, have you considered revisiting some of the sacrements? It might be really amazing for you... To apply you're current knowledge system and expirence over the psychedelic religious expirence would be a most valuable to this 'effort'. I would really value the opinions of respectable adults whom could expirence this as well... Your perspective(shroom wise), I bet, would come in much more intense than it did for me... Your knoledge system is probably much bigger, thus more anyalization from more perspectives. I'll bet you would find it completely different than you remember it.

I think RA is afraid of what he might find within himself. I'm sure of it. Jesus was an essene and very very jewish in thought. I do not think he was divine, I think he was a great leader for his time and was a priest along with his brother. Prehaps, my position on organized religion is that of "placebo"... they tell you about how great it is, you then make it that way in your head at the power of suggestion. I did for 17 years, before I found religion(within myself, humorously enough). I personally prefer to talk to him myself, it's far supperior to gossip. 1 secong of personally speaking with god, is supperior to 100 years of organized religion. Whatever my position is, I use organized religion as an example any time I can illustrate that we are all rambling about the same thing. One of them died because of his beliefs. One of them carried on until the sect was pretty much wiped out. However, if you do not listen to the roman church and look at the real history, you will find out many things that are still good for today. (Hope that made sense). Read the Hiram Key and Holy Blood, Holy Grail. You will find it most interesting that a decendant of Jesus family is alive and in France. I've heard of this, but not too sure how much I believe it... do you know what town? :p ...I'll make it a train trip to talk to them myself. The sangreal or bloodline has been protected for 2000 years and is what the holy grail is supposed to be. It would make sense, wouldn't it...

I know that I have not accheived "enlightenment", if I had I would not be addressing RA and people like him in such a way... I do have a lot to learn... but I wish more people were contributing to this knoledge base, sure would make it progress faster.

One thing that strikes me as interseting: Psilcybin Mushrooms, Mescaline Cacti, Ayaschua, LSA Seeds, (probably)datura, aminitas... are all "VISIONARY", this is where I believe the 'religious expirence' comes from ... seeming to seperate them from synthetics.. LSD, ALD-52, DOB, 2-CB, MDMA, MDA, ect... Does anybody know of any visionary synthetic psychedelic? I don't.

Thanks again for a most enjoyable series of posts.
Thank you grendel 44, you should have jumped in earlier, :p I'm glad this shifted from bitching back and fourth with/about RA to an interesting discussion about life, nature, and oddly enought 'the magic of the 60s'. Cheers...

lunar forest

06-29-2004, 05:41 PM

well... hmmm... We all expirence the same "arena" in which we play our "sport"... but we are all at, "different positions on the field", and we have "different levels of expirence at the game". Our "physical ability" may also be more or less naturally inclined than "other players". I think we all share a common reality but always percieve everything our own way through our own set of filters. Right on, man! ;)

grendel 44

06-30-2004, 02:06 AM

Hi PsyDex, I do not think I can handle this type of drug anymore. I remember how much it took from my body when I was young and healthy, although I found that amino acids replaced a lot of what was lost from my body. Now I am way older and have a thrashed liver and diabetes. I have not done drugs in 30 years. My mind is still intact (I think) and open to new ideas.

Regarding your question regarding Jesus bloodline. I cannot remember the name of the person, but I believe he was living in Paris some time ago. This theory about the sangreal or bloodline is starting to show up more and more. In subtle ways. There is a society called the Preiure de Sion that has been responsible for keeping and protecting the bloodline. They believe that when the time is right all will be revealed and we will have a leader that will pull the world together.
I think the family name was Plantard, but cannot remember all the details. It is believed that the Merovingian dynasty was part of the bloodline, also that the last grand master of the Templars, Jaques de Molay, was of the bloodline. There has also been research that shows that the shroud of turin (which has been PROVED to have been made in the 14th century) is actually the shroud of Molay. He was executed by the Roman church on Friday the 13th, 1314. Following this the templars disbanded, however it is believed that the Masonic orders are an offshoot of the Temlars.

These theories are too complicated to go into much more here. I recommend you read The Second Messiah by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas and Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln.

Check this out and let me know what you think.

Real American

06-30-2004, 06:40 AM

Well, I have been gone for a few days and will only be here tonight and tomorrow then off again, so I'll try to cover everything as best as possible.

I would like to start off by saying this will be a direct attack on psilodelix. For one at his attempt to make fun of me by misspelling the word "drugy" and of course second, at his attempt to think he is better than I because he can add bullets to his post.

Every post you have has several misspelled words
Your use of grammar is embarrassing
I still believe you have used to many drugs
You use The Bible as many others do

You pull tid-bits of information from The Bible to use for your benifit
You discard the rest

Drugs give you an unnatural view of things

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adj.
In violation of a natural law.
Inconsistent with an individual pattern or custom.
Deviating from a behavioral or social norm: an unnatural attachment.
Contrived or constrained; artificial: smiled in an unnatural manner.
In violation of natural feelings; inhuman.

Hi PsyDex, I do not think I can handle this type of drug anymore. I remember how much it took from my body when I was young and healthy, although I found that amino acids replaced a lot of what was lost from my body. Now I am way older and have a thrashed liver and diabetes. You made a great point against psilodelix's theory. If God intended for us to use these plants as a way to communicate with Him, do you think they would hurt us later in life? Or have neggative effects? Ahhh but they do hurt us and they do have negative side effects. No, I don't think God intended on me hurting his temple so I can communicate with him. I just bow my head and close my eyes. Other times I will shout out in anger or in joy. Either way, I feel tyhe Holy Spirit in me and around me as he said I would.

In subtle ways. There is a society called the Preiure de Sion that has been responsible for keeping and protecting the bloodline. They believe that when the time is right all will be revealed and we will have a leader that will pull the world together. That person would be called the antichrist, as mentioned in The Bible.

You all have a good weekend. I'll be celebrating July 4th at our families ranch outside of San Antonio(beautiful country out there).

God

06-30-2004, 07:43 AM

AH, THE ANTICHRIST! don't fall for his trap, he'll try to trick you all, and try to get you to paint the number 666 on your forehead (the mark of the beast), which instantly condemns you to eternal damnation.

please, do not fall for the lies of the antichrist. he is only out to destroy you!

grendel 44

06-30-2004, 08:38 AM

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You made a great point against psilodelix's theory. If God intended for us to use these plants as a way to communicate with Him, do you think they would hurt us later in life? Or have neggative effects? Ahhh but they do hurt us and they do have negative side effects. No, I don't think God intended on me hurting his temple so I can communicate with him. I just bow my head and close my eyes. Other times I will shout out in anger or in joy. Either way, I feel tyhe Holy Spirit in me and around me as he said I would.

Hi RA, Wondered where you were. You got me wrong, I did not intend to imply that drugs caused the illnesses that I have today. Neither are caused (or helped) by these plants/drugs. I have Hepatitis C which is a Virus and Diabetes which is hereditary. In any event what I am saying is that my body could not handle these drugs any more, furthermore, I grew out of wanting to get high by the time I was 30.

That person would be called the antichrist, as mentioned in The Bible.

Oh, I knew someone (probably you would say that). It fits together so neatly. My opinion is that you are wrong, however, I will defend your right to your own opinion

Have a great time in San Antonio, be looking for you later.

We must be tolerant of other men’s religious views, because all religions have much that is true about them, and we must combat ignorance by education, bigotry by tolerance and tyranny by teaching true liberty
Attributed to the Freemasons

Real American

06-30-2004, 10:02 AM

I take it that because you do not believe in the antichrist that you are not a Christian? You are definatly entitled to your beliefs.

I was not trying to emply that the use of drugs earlier in your life caused your problems. What I was implying directly to you is that If God intended on us speaking with him via the use of drugs, I think the drugs would never have a bad effect. IE you wouldn't have to worry about your current health problems. Ending point on the subject is that God never mentioned using any kind of drugs to speak with him, nor did Jesus.

AH, THE ANTICHRIST! don't fall for his trap, he'll try to trick you all, and try to get you to paint the number 666 on your forehead (the mark of the beast), which instantly condemns you to eternal damnation.

please, do not fall for the lies of the antichrist. he is only out to destroy you! Yay for immature sarcastic people.

God

06-30-2004, 06:40 PM

lover/young_peace

06-30-2004, 06:48 PM

No, not immaturity. I just find it funny. It's hard for me to understand how people can take themselves so seriously, or even seriously at all, so I usually just laugh around those kind of people. Hence my ex boss
yay for people like me! Really life is highly amusing, a good laugh is everywhere. yay for un-serious-ness! woo. hoo.

Psilodelix

07-01-2004, 01:15 AM

Only things which have been manupilated by man are unnatural.

A computer is mans manuipulation of different peices of earth to create something UN-NATURAL. Something which came from nature, thus can't be unnatural.

Society = creation of man.
LSD = creation of man.
Psilocybin Mushroom = Naturally created... Not manupuilated into existance by man.

Do you understand the difference yet? Or shall I go over it again?

If GOD created us he created psilocybin mushrooms. Period.
The effect they have on the human body and mind is not an accident... just like everything else in nature is there for a reason "to keep life in balance".

grendal 44, I'll check that out some more... I'm sorry to hear that your health is not ready for the ethnos any more... are you sure you'd never find the ideal time to partake slightly?...like sitting on a beuitiful beach relaxing and enjoying life... If no, not even before the end of your lifetime? I can definatly imagine a day in my own future where I will no longer partake in the sacements(at least not nearly as frequently) just because I no longer am as ready to take the 'body/mind fuck'... this does not mean however that I won't feel that I've learned anything (if not the most valuable things) from them.

HURRAY!!!!! I just finished buying my train tickets for Amsterdam on the internet! Can't wait till I'm stuffin' my pink little cheeks with that sweet sweet shroom flesh. This saturday, RA the whole time my brain is teeming to the brim with psilocybin, I'm gonna think of you buddy, and how much you don't know what you're missing!!!!!!! ;)

trippin...my...balllsss...offf... hahahahhaahaha...I get to visit with GOD and ... yooooouuu... don't ha ha ha haa ahahaha ha nananay anany pooo pooo...
...just kidding of course, but... have fun in SqUaRE LaND :p

-PsDX

hehhehe..*cough* ...hehehheheshrooms'hehhehhehehe

Real American

07-01-2004, 01:50 AM

And his imaturity surfaces. I knew it would at some point.

lover/young_peace

07-01-2004, 01:57 AM

my immaturity surfaced long ago. I just couldn't hold it back!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

~~~~~life is funny~~~~~~~~

DandelionPrincess

07-01-2004, 04:34 AM

magic in your heart is all you need...

wildfire

07-01-2004, 10:25 AM

in the 60's it was all new. new drugs a new style of music, new ideas and beliefs. you can't start a revolution with something that already happened. the problem is that we have seem to come so far advanced that no one is coming up with anything new. just building off of old news.

Prisoner #6

07-01-2004, 12:37 PM

As a true Child of the 60's(born 1965)

In the 60's, we got only a brief glimpse of a wonderful future humanity could share.(The Beatles, The Doors, Andy Warhol, the wonder of the Moon Landing, Dr. King just to name a few). We also got a glimpse of hoow ugly humanity can be for little reason(Resistance to Vietnam only really took off in the early 70's).

We are now on the edge of a truly glorious future where the brief glimpse we got during the 60's turns into reality, or we descend into a never-ending war due to 9-11! The Beatles, The Doors, Andy Warhol, the Moon Landing, & Dr. King have been influencing us for decades now. But, on the other hand, conservatives have been allowed to force thier agenda down America's throats! It is so bad that half of the population really believes the crap handed to them from FOX NEWS without question and are set to vote permanent war into being this November.

We are now literally on the turning point of history, where the dream of the 60's will be realized or we will all needlessly be crushed under the boot of warmongers forever!

Let's get involved and stay involved! ;)

BCNU

WatchinUfromtheBridg

07-01-2004, 02:15 PM

to the most controversial Republican man....

yehaaa hey man you were talkin' bout cocaine in the sixties some post ago...the cocaine became really popular for some musicians since 72-73 and for the rest of the population cocaine really started became popular in the end of the seventies ( disco = cocaine and it's not a coincidence)
So the white lines don't influence the sixties moovement ...it's a fact ...this drug is purely the drug of the kind of "Skid Row" "Def Leppard" "Duran Duran" etc... it's purely a 80's drug...and the result ?!

All Rock n' roll critics say that the 80's were the worst decade in artistic rock'n roll masterpiece...it's a drug of pure illusion ... the typical 80's thing was: "Am i the most beautiful man in this town" or "What's the last fashion...i can't be out of fashion...this is a question of life or death" ok it's a little "cliché" but the seventies and sixties people were more in search of their inner soul ...of what you've got inside of you... and not if your physical body is beautiful enough! ......yeahhh this is why those decades were real decades...

And you seems to dislike most of the 60's and 70's band partially 'cause of their large consumption of drugs. but take a look to Blink 182 ...Limp Bizkit ("behind blue eyes" is a cover of "the Who" don't forget it) and other actual bands they use to take a lot of drugs too ...even Aguilera & Beyonce is so much in love with their ego that they're probably takin a "scarface" mountain of cocaine ...

nb: thanx 4 readin' my approximative english
if only i can wrote in french ...

Psilodelix

07-01-2004, 03:58 PM

And his imaturity surfaces. I knew it would at some point.
Learn to joke. Grow a sense of humor.
If that's too difficult, then fuck off.

I'm not ashamed of being 19, I think that I am more mature and can conduct myself way better than you can manage so, at least when I argue I do it with intelect instead of just retheroc.

-PsDX

grendel 44

07-02-2004, 01:21 AM

psydex, have a good time in amsterdam. A very fun place to go. Don't fall in the dykes.
I do not miss taking drugs at all. Although I am not a very spriitual person, I find that I can lay back and close my eyes and listen to something like Beethoven's Fifth or Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and be transported. I can see the beauty in so many things without having to get messed up. I think this comes with age maybe.
Your argument that god put mushrooms and other stuff there for the reason that we are supposed to obtain enlightenment does not hold water. If you believe this, you must also believe that god also gave us stuff like mad cow disease, aids, the common cold and the means to create nuclear explosions, these are of no benefit to anyone, unless as a means of population control. OR, do you think the things that are not to your liking were put here by Satan? In that case, maybe it was satan that but shrooms on earth to mess with our minds and make us more open to his wiles.
You are young and strong, you really do not need to do these drugs, you just like them, right?

Happy Fourth all you Americans. Being British, it is not a big holiday for me. In school we learned very little about the American Revolution, we went straight to the French revolution. Since coming to this country, I have learned more and think it was the right thing to do. I think the british needed a wake-up-call at the time. Not that is made any difference to their policies, however, it was time for change.
The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.
Karl Marx

Psilodelix

07-02-2004, 01:52 AM

And why don't YOU change your opinion? Just because YOU think it's right, doesn't mean he thinks that too. And sorry, but... why do you want to change people's minds? Only fascists do that! :mad: NO! WRONG! Facists force you to agree with whatever their agenda, I cannot force anyone to do anything. My only adgenda is to get people to pay attention to the keys to heaven on earth(with 'gods' permission, of course). You should be more clear on my argument before reacting like this.
You criticize him that much, but you don't realize that you are making a mistake too. I realize I don't agree with noone's opinion. I don't agree with THIS you wrote, «say that Interaction with humans(friends, family, dating, sports, ect...) should be secondary to the understanding of what it means to be alive. The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing mankind he doesn't exist. What's the last place you look, where ever is most comfortable. It's because you don't know that the two often get in each others way... those things distract you from seeking truth (and inorder to keep you there and happy the give you a placebo religion). That doesn't mean you can't do all these things... you'd acheive a personal ballance, that makes YOU happy. Have you ever felt like all day in normal 'baseline/sober' life, it's okay... but something seems like it's missing? It's not that 'getting high' is missing, it's that contrast of consciousness has not even reveiled the relativity of reality to you yet. Contrast... it highlights existance... you must contrast your 'baseline' perspective aginst many stages of higher thought... In the end you'll achieve much more control over you 'baseline' reality by exploring slightly outside the standard one.

To knowing GOD» but I strongly agree with thisDo you want to know "GOD", or hear about 'god'? because I can assure you all your life you've only heard about him through a filter . Sorry, but church on sunday definatly won't cut it...

»I say that "sunshine daydreams" are a beuitiful and essencial part of life. Take even MDMA for example(I'm not claiming this is a sacrement) , a synthetic chemical. It causes an unadultered apperication for everyone around you which is not 'fake'... however the fact that you would certainly not be that sociable and lovie dovie to all these wankers without it, is what is 'fake' about the expirence. The emotions you are feeling are as real as sober emotions are, just cranked up!».

I'm glad you know that, If you learned to agree on this one you would understand where I am coming from with all this SpACe LoGiC but you gotta remember "things are not always as they seem". When you graduate high school you should go to amsterdam and get some REAL magic mushrooms. Until then however you're probably not ready (as I wouldn't have been either).
Maybe it's kinda imature to say what I agree or not, specially right now, but to show you are not being fully correct.People like Real American are just concerned with turning out another consuming-coke-drinking-flag-waving-tax-paying-govenrment-authority-humping american blob :p , instead of hoping for a better more balanced future. Sacrements should be avaliable to all people... but, it is better to have a well developed knoledge-system to understand and analyze the expirence you are about to undergo (In other words, psychedelics are best left for earily adulthood).

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Your argument that god put mushrooms and other stuff there for the reason that we are supposed to obtain enlightenment does not hold water. If you believe this, you must also believe that god also gave us stuff like mad cow disease, aids, the common cold and the means to create nuclear explosions, these are of no benefit to anyone, unless as a means of population control. OR, do you think the things that are not to your liking were put here by Satan? In that case, maybe it was satan that but shrooms on earth to mess with our minds and make us more open to his wiles. Ah...well if you really want to put it that way than yes, Satan(the cosmic negative energy), 'creates' all of those 'nessacary evils'. The cosmos is about balance(remember Satan and God are, by the christian church's own admission, just symbols). All of those "bad" things are there to keep us (population too) balanced. again contrast is key. How we address mad cow, aids, the common cold... are all sociataly based. "IMAGINE" if our socity instead of being funded on materilism and self intrest... was based on achiving a balance in all things... religion, social intrests, species intrests ... all functioning on a higher plane of thought...

For anyone who feels that they did not take away anything from psychedelics... all I can say is to try again and maybe if you approach it like less of a 'movie' and more of a philosophy session you might be supprised how many different ways you can see any one thing or idea.

"You are young and strong, you really do not need to do these drugs, you just like them, right?" Yes and no. Spiritually I do...I like them very much and I believe that even as I age, from time to time I will return just to remind myself of the depth of that alternate perspective... and try to apply all I know(my "knoledge system") to that perspective and see if I don't learn even more that I did when I was young. I'm certainly not a mushroom head... although I do love my cannabis.

Now if you'll excuse me... I have this rather large hash block to attend to... :p

-PsDX

God

07-02-2004, 06:54 AM

Wait, God did put mushrooms here for our enlightenment.

Fractual_

07-02-2004, 09:50 AM

Wait, God did put mushrooms here for our enlightenment.
thats apart of a bill hicks act... something like'see i think mushrooms were put here to push along evolution, not the most popular idea'

crummyrummy

07-02-2004, 10:08 AM

Mushrooms promote good eyesite....

Real American

07-02-2004, 10:47 AM

at least when I argue I do it with intelect instead of just retheroc. Well, aparently your itelect pills aren't working anymore. Maybe you should up the dossage. From www.dictionary.com[/url :

No entry found for retheroc.

My only adgenda is to get people to pay attention to the keys to heaven on earth(with 'gods' permission, of course). Well, I do pay attention to the "keys" to heaven and earth. You just don't agree with me. For some reason you still think it is ok to pull parts of The Bible for your own use to support your wierd ideas and cast the rest away as "placebo religion". You think you talked to "god"( Interesting that you talk to Him but can't give him the respect and call him God). The drugs you use contain Hallucinogens. Oh my, what do you think these things do? They give you hallucinations. What you truely did was talked to your projected image of God and in return your brain created a projected voice to talk back to you. In other words, you had a conversation with yourself.

Sorry, but church on sunday definatly won't cut it... Alone. We almost agree on something. The Bible instructs us to worship with others. Again, funny how God himself, the creator of Heaven and Earth, forgot to tell us that we need to do drugs in order to truely know him.

People like Real American are just concerned with turning out another consuming-coke-drinking-flag-waving-tax-paying-govenrment-authority-humping american blob http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif , instead of hoping for a better more balanced future. Sacrements should be avaliable to all people... but, it is better to have a well developed knoledge-system to understand and analyze the expirence you are about to undergo (In other words, psychedelics are best left for earily adulthood). I hate taxes, lol prooved your theory wrong. I pray for the well being of people all the time. However, I truely understand that things will not truely be ok until Jesus returns to the Earth. Once again, your whole drug thing is flawed. Are you saying elderly people are not allowed to talk to God? Did God say that he would allow Satan to to create old age to cut us off from God? Everytime I read your jacked up "intelectual" theories it strengthens my resolve to keep my child as far away from drugs as possible.

remember Satan and God are, by the christian church's own admission, just [u]symbols Sorry, I am a Christain as detailed in The Bible. Nowhere does it say that God and Satan are symbols. If you believe this, then during one of your drug sessions, you were talking to a symbol?

Yes and no. Spiritually I do...I like them very much and I believe that even as I age, from time to time I will return just to remind myself of the depth of that alternate perspective... and try to apply all I know(my "knoledge system") to that perspective and see if I don't learn even more that I did when I was young. So wait, again God doesn't want old people to talk with him? Or you don't think the body God made will be able to handle the effects of a substance He made?

Oh, and one last thing, I am sure there is some organism out there that depends on these shrooms you so love. So there ya go, that is why God made them. Unless ofcourse you start thinking did the symbol Satan create the shroom to balance the fight between symbols and are you in reality serving the evil symbol Satan? OOOOOoooooOOOOO

I don't know about you, but this post I just made had several inteligent points.

Psilodelix

07-02-2004, 04:44 PM

Well, I do pay attention to the "keys" to heaven and earth. You just don't agree with me. For some reason you still think it is ok to pull parts of The Bible for your own use to support your wierd ideas and cast the rest away as "placebo religion". You think you talked to "god"( Interesting that you talk to Him but can't give him the respect and call him God). The drugs you use contain Hallucinogens. Oh my, what do you think these things do? They give you hallucinations. What you truely did was talked to your projected image of God and in return your brain created a projected voice to talk back to you. In other words, you had a conversation with yourself.
Again you are claiming I was Delirious and not accurately comprehending what I was experiencing. You are also claiming that I know little about a drug experience, which I can assure you is simply not the case. What makes you think I don’t “respect” ‘god’ just because I type the human word a certain way, if you knew god this would make sense to you, and the word would become rather meaningless, as all words are…
Alone. We almost agree on something. The Bible instructs us to worship with others. Again, funny how God himself, the creator of Heaven and Earth, forgot to tell us that we need to do drugs in order to truely know him.
Again… Real American thinks that I am saying “you need to use Ethnogens(natural psychedelics) to talk to god”…. When I’m actually saying, “you can use plants and fungi that were created by the same creater/force that created us, to come closer to understanding all things, by the ‘grace of god’ of course”. Do you NEED drugs to know god? NO. Do (certain) natural psychedelics reveal a world of personal religion and inner/outer space that is so raw and beautiful, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID of it. Christianity never lets you get close enough to the void. When I type GOD and you type GOD we have 98% different images in our head of what it is we are referring to. I only draw parallels to Christianity as a means of helping you understand extremely complex and abstract ideas. When I worship, there is not bullshit in the way.
I hate taxes, lol prooved your theory wrong. I pray for the well being of people all the time. However, I truely understand that things will not truely be ok until Jesus returns to the Earth. Once again, your whole drug thing is flawed. Are you saying elderly people are not allowed to talk to God? Did God say that he would allow Satan to to create old age to cut us off from God? Everytime I read your jacked up "intelectual" theories it strengthens my resolve to keep my child as far away from drugs as possible.
You will probably have a little “American drone” of a child until they reach young adulthood and realize that just because you were born a couple decades earlier doesn’t mean you’ve made any further progress in unraveling the human mystery. You just took the TAINTED word of others(humans that is, not god).

You think a man name “Jesus” will return to earth and bring about the rapture? Give me a fucking break. If we, as a society, encountered a man like Jesus today… we would have him locked in a mental institution. I firmly believe that all Judeo-Christian views of the world is again the result of ethnogeny use! Go look it up in ‘your bible’ first page says the man may use all plants and animals… ALL=EVERY ONE, this includes mushrooms and cannabis. Moses and the Israelites ate MANNA, the bible description is word for word accurate account of how to locate and consume psilocybes.
Sorry, I am a Christain as detailed in The Bible. Nowhere does it say that God and Satan are symbols. If you believe this, then during one of your drug sessions, you were talking to a symbol?
Well, fair enough, I didn’t properly explain myself so I can’t be too surprised this is where you took your shot. God = Simple of polar pure energy +… Devil = Symbol of polar evil energy -….. Positive and Negative… their two forces balance the universe and run through every fiber. I know this I’ll piss you off but, there is just as much ‘devil’ as there is ‘god’ in each of us. Every now and then we see striking example of each one manifesting… just like humans mushrooms have just much potential for good as evil.

What do you think the chances are, that political powers (i.e. Romans, Kings of England) wrote whatever they chose into and out of the bible… and obscured meaning during translations… ect… WHY IS THIS HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE?
So wait, again God doesn't want old people to talk with him? Or you don't think the body God made will be able to handle the effects of a substance He made?
God doesn’t plan everyone’s life. You should know that. Again, by the time you are old enough ethnogenic sacraments should hardly be necessary, if ever. By the time you old you’re supposed to be practiced enough to experience his grace with out any outside help (and this means other peoples specifically!!!).

People are more dangerous than drugs. Drugs tell each other ‘you don’t want to mess with those humans, dodgy bunch’.
So there ya go, that is why God made them. Unless ofcourse you start thinking did the symbol Satan create the shroom to balance the fight between symbols and are you in reality serving the evil symbol Satan? Yes. That organism is human beings. God did not “ZAP” mushrooms into existence because we needed them to talk to him… duh!... god creates out of probability and balance… mathematics are simply an entire study to figure out how, IN HUMAN PERSPECTIVE, god arranges things. The point I’m getting at is “no god did not ‘create’ mushrooms because humans needed them”, they arose (EVOLVED! Form “gods will”) alongside humans because humans can benefit from them.
I don't know about you, but this post I just made had several inteligent points.I think it is I, whom has made several intelligent points. I can tell you’ve given all of these ideas of existence little to no unrestarined thought.

One word. Metaprograming.

-PsDX

Nalencer

07-03-2004, 04:56 AM

To the people who say we can't bring back the magic because everyone today is conformist and brainwashed:

What about all the people the hippies of the 60s had to overcome? Puritans "Oh my god, her skirt's above the ankle!"

If the hippie movement could grow with them around, it can grow again. Keep the faith. I'll soon be cirulating peace flyers. I'll keep some in the glove compartment and whenever I go somehwere, I'll set them on the tables, or tack them up on bulletin boards. Every little bit helps. If it only reaches one person, then it's all worth it. Think of how many people that person could reach, and how many each of them could reach?

My theory is that the hippie movement started with one guy (or girl) in san fransisco. This one guy, he makes some friends, maybe some who are a bit open-minded. He feeds them his ideas of peace, love, and equality. they agree with him, and they start spreading this to their friends. It starts as a small cult, growing bit by bit until it's a recognizable group of people.

But it keeps growing, soon becoming a sort of other class - there's the working class, the rich coots, and the hippies. Soon they've got the majority of san fransisco on their side. Now they start to travel. They go east, spreadking the love to big cities like new york and boston. And so it travels throughout the entire united states, soon giving birth to a movement in europe. It spread all over the world, and for a few years everyone as all for love and peace.

I've read several places that the success of the hippie movements was due to the fact that the establihment wasn't ready for them. That's true, and they aren't ready for us now. LET'S STORM THE COUNTRY WITH PEACE AND LOVE AGAIN!!! IT'S OUR CHOICE! WE CAN DO IT!

lover/young_peace

07-03-2004, 08:19 AM

I'm not sure... they seem pretty ready and pretty scared of any new movement....

But i'll take your word for it... :)

~~~~~~peace~~~~~~

wildfire

07-03-2004, 08:55 AM

Nalancer- well you just described the merry pranksters there. except they didn't do any of the marching or anything.

if you want to have a peace revolution then we better act fast cause hip-hop is doing about the equivolent now of rock-and-roll in the 60's. its spreading to all facets of the youth and media. the older generation is against it, parents are outraged that there children are listening to it and falling into that hip-hop lifestyle. it has produced fashions that are shocking the older generation and parents when they see there children wearing them. it has very controvercial lyrics and the youth are following and trying to emulate the stuff they hear in these songs. rappers have about the reckless status of a rockstar. so the revolution is now!...or we wait another twenty years until something knew has completely taken over and hope that its good.

lover/young_peace

07-03-2004, 09:22 AM

wildfire you are exactly right.what you said about hip-hop. and I'm scared. what are we going to do?? I mean, rock was about something. Ask a young rock & roll-er (like me :) ) what rock means, what it's about, why it's important, and we can go on for hours. However, when i ask someone what hip-hop / rap music is about, why it's important, what it means to them, i usually dont get much. I dunno, it could just be the people Im talking to and not the music itself.... but I sure as hell cant get much meaning except, "let's shoot eachother. and fuck hot chicks." oh well.... kinda outta my control, really.

I shudder to think rap being the next rock & roll ..... hahaha P.Diddy the next Bob Dyaln.... ooooo that wasn't even funny. sorry. bad joke.

only time will tell where the state of the world goes from here but damnit i wish i could be more optimistic about it.

maybe its me......

~~~~~wah~~~~~

Ocean Byrd

07-03-2004, 10:38 AM

wildfire

07-04-2004, 04:53 AM

lunar forest

07-04-2004, 06:15 AM

cant we all just get along?! lol

the thing about it is that there are no really good rock songs anymore. there aren't any with a really catchy tune or a really good guitar riff or lyrics that you can just randomly quote. its all just noise. hip-hop, even if you don't like it, ya gotta admit that they've got some good beats in some of those songs. and the lyrics, whether you like it or not, there is at least a line to the song that sticks in your head. Ah, you said it. I was listening to the Eagle's Hotel California, and wondering why it was such a good song, it's not the lyrics, and then came the guitar solo!!! You never hear guitar anymore!!!! We need more music in our "music"!!!!! At least, that's what I think. ;)

God

07-04-2004, 07:24 AM

Psilodelix

07-05-2004, 11:45 PM

Real American, allow me to ask this. Because you view natural (and not alike) drug-induced states of mind as unnatural, why do many native people around the world have shaemans that consume large amounts of them to learn how to heal their people? It usually works is what's so crazy about it; but can you really say that a people's way of life is wrong if they use a drug to help preserve it?Real American is ethnocentric. Meaning that he believes that the entirity of existance rotates around his (typical american) perspective.

Well I'm sure his answer is, "they are going to hell because they don't love jesus." If they knew jesus all they would have to do is go yto a mirror and repeat his name 3 times and all their problems would be relieved. Lame. :rolleyes:

The Churches(Organized Religion) eracadiated 'drugs' form religion by calling it 'witchcraft' and 'sorcery'! They literally burned people for using drugs. Where do you think they got 'flying broomstic' associated with witches from? Datura/belladona/nightshade was put into an ointment and using a 'wooden dildo' they would rectally recieve these drugs... (this is directly from a american university level anthropology course). What do you think it is they are refering to when we say witch? They are obviously not dressing up in costumes and just reading off cards. What do you think a 'witches potion' is? Witchcraft/Sorcery is just the abilitiy to control the phisical present with the esoteric knoledge that can be ganed from mastering ethnogenic sacrements.

It was said that Preists "could speak DIRECTLY with god".... hmmmm... 1+1=?

The things I'm saying are pretty much 'blasphomous' and I think that is much of the problem. This type of person is afraid of having a 'naughty thought'... and instantly becoming a heritic... get over yourself!

No matter how 'solid' a 'fact' that you may have... all 'facts' and 'knowledge' as we know it is only a human measurment of the natural world. Science never explains, "WHY", only "HOW", relative to everything else.

The 'magic of the 60s' was about all these people realizing their potential... realizing that they were quite literally FREE. There arn't too many drugs when used in appropriate dosages make a human being 'delireious'. One I can think of right away is alcohol (oh... but it helps us 'mingle' [*barf*]), this is probably the least fun drug I can think of, it simply makes one teporarly less aware of one's actions. Again Lame.

"Girls can tell" by Spoon and "Youth and young manhood" by The kings of Leon are both great albums, and new. The scene is starting, just slowly.

-PsDX

God

07-06-2004, 03:24 AM

yea man, dogma is so annoying, it's so hard to be around.

Ocean Byrd

07-06-2004, 09:25 AM

Wow, I'd like to see RA's response to that Psilodelix... it's so true that it's sad. What you said about the 60's is true also; people realized that they were free. That's why many dropped out from society and made their own communes; yet they were (and still are) ridiculed by the conformist youth of the past, present, and possibly even future. They just don't realize what it's like, they are afraid of stepping out from their niche in society and making their own life; not some fake vision set in their minds by society.

Psilodelix

07-06-2004, 02:56 PM

yea man, dogma is so annoying, it's so hard to be around.Amen!... I find that when I first started to "allow myself" to think in this manner, I wouldn't really believe any of these theories(NOW I DO) I had come up with... by I was still never afraid of the hypathetical.

See, I told you God doen't like dogma!!! Just believe me next time...
Wow, I'd like to see RA's response to that Psilodelix... it's so true that it's sad. What you said about the 60's is true also; people realized that they were free. That's why many dropped out from society and made their own communes; yet they were (and still are) ridiculed by the conformist youth of the past, present, and possibly even future. They just don't realize what it's like, they are afraid of stepping out from their niche in society and making their own life; not some fake vision set in their minds by society.Yea man.... thats just it, sad. Ocean Byrd, I think the 'hippies' of 60's generations realized the great relativity of existance... they metaprogramed their brains as they saw fit... and the rest of society (which is god only knows how much larger it is/was [1:250?]) just squashed them, leagally :mad: ... sub-conscoiunessly the public were/are terrified about their existance.... and the last thing they wanted to hear in their materialistic wet dream was that 'hippies had the answer'. Even today the suggestion is met by a laugh riot and the suggestion that you didn't get the memo that "hippiedom" had been offically proven unsucessful. LAME. I'm sick to death of letting people whom are not self-actualized run anything/everything... Especially and particularly... govenrnment, religion, media...ect

I'm sick of my culture (american) getting pushed back and fourth by a pack of lost and sub-conscoiunessly motivated individuals who don't understand the WHY of life and therefore stumble through it like a drunk on st. pattys day. If you're living out 'the american dream' then I can be sure for you that you are spiritually lost... my parents actually believe in this sort of life as well, however the american dream, by it's nature spits in the face of salvation.

I metaprogram therefore I am. Conversly, those who do not metaprogram, live in a manufactured state of existance.

If you havn't personally 'picked the code' you'd like to teach your 'biocomputer'(brain)... then I can guarentee someone else has picked 'the code' for your 'biocomputer' for you and without you having been aware of it.

I am personally on the hunt for the Neuclear Bomb of weapons in this culture battle. Kykeon, the secret formula for the psychedleic drink of the greek eleusian mysteries. This formula would be about growing C. paspali and using the honydew to infect fields of barly... If we could figure out this formula, then an anazing LSD like drink would be preparable by almost anyone. This is how we win the war. No more telling people of their religious purpose and relativity of reality, we'll just SHOW THEM. More info here >>> http://www.psychedelic-library.org/paspali.htm

-PsDX

Nalencer

07-06-2004, 03:29 PM

Awesome! I hope that formula is found, because in my area I have no access to any type of drugs at all. I know this is probably a stupid questions, but are there any soft drugs like pot that can be brewed up from everyday substances? It's be great if there are...

Real American

07-06-2004, 06:28 PM

Psilodelix:
Real American is ethnocentric. Meaning that he believes that the entirity of existance rotates around his (typical american) perspective. The term ethnocentric refers to believing that your ethinic group is superior to other ethnic groups. In general the word ethnic can be related to racial terms, ie black and white. However, it still can be related to religion, though it is hardly used as a religious term. You know, there is a handy website called http://www.dictionary.com that will help you use words properly. I myself am not a religious person. I don't follow the Catholic way, or the Babtist way. What I do follow is The Bible. If you can go into a church or makeshift church and hear The Word of God being taught through The Bible, then you are bound to learn something interesting and something that relates to you in your life. You my friend use bits and pieces from The Bible and throw away the rest. You are the one that is lost. One of the most amazing gifts God will give us is wisdom. He says that we only need to ask for it and He will fill us to the top with it. Wisdom to know what is right and wrong, wisdom to deal with everyday situations. Wisdom to listen to someone and believe them, or wisdom to listen to someone and realize they are 3 cans short of a 6 pack. You have contradicted yourself so many times it's pathetic. At one point you were pulling scripture out of The Bible(at wich point I was thinking you at least had half a brain) but then you laughed at Jesus's importance. So now, when I read your posts the only thing I see myself realy doing is trying to find the meanings of some of your words. Such as ethnogenic: Ethno meaning - Race; people and genic meaning - Of, relating to, produced by, or being genes or a gene. So I guess the reason I can't possably comprehend what you are talking about is because my race doesn't have the genes necessary to understand. I did however find several websites that use the word ethnogenic, all of wich deal with the use of drugs. So you guys are making your own words now? Interesting.

wildfire

07-06-2004, 09:09 PM

why not make our own words. http://hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon3.gif hey! why don't we make our own language. that'd be fun!

Nalencer

07-07-2004, 01:39 AM

Bablabto umkak dul'mar drishcar tolagar efman eldrazo mametoto.

Psilodelix

07-07-2004, 02:00 AM

The term ethnocentric refers to believing that your ethinic group is superior to other ethnic groups. In general the word ethnic can be related to racial terms, ie black and white. However, it still can be related to religion, though it is hardly used as a religious term. You know, there is a handy website called http://www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/) that will help you use words properly.I did use the term correctly and even in an explanatory fassion. It's not that one thinks that one's ethnic group or race is superior... It's that one thinks that theirs is central to human existance.

I myself am not a religious person. I don't follow the Catholic way, or the Babtist way. What I do follow is The Bible. If you can go into a church or makeshift church and hear The Word of God being taught through The Bible, then you are bound to learn something interesting and something that relates to you in your life. You my friend use bits and pieces from The Bible and throw away the rest. You are the one that is lost. One of the most amazing gifts God will give us is wisdom.I do not 'throw the rest away', I have no reason to type the entire bible out here, however I am currently only going into the parts that have relavance to my arguments. I think that the entire bible is useful and if taken in the 'correct abstract interpertation', then it will provide a very healthy perspective on life. If taken as the litteral word of god, then you're simply an obvious moron. :rolleyes:

He says that we only need to ask for it and He will fill us to the top with it. Wisdom to know what is right and wrong, wisdom to deal with everyday situations. Wisdom to listen to someone and believe them, or wisdom to listen to someone and realize they are 3 cans short of a 6 pack. You have contradicted yourself so many times it's pathetic. At one point you were pulling scripture out of The Bible(at wich point I was thinking you at least had half a brain) but then you laughed at Jesus's importance.You're still not getting it. You still think that the name 'Jesus' and the word 'god' actually have any bearing on what they were meant to represent. Only a fool takes mythology for fact. As far as I know I have NEVER contradicted myself... but if you can find these 'contradictions', I'd be glad to explain how a line of logic works to you.

So now, when I read your posts the only thing I see myself realy doing is trying to find the meanings of some of your words. Such as ethnogenic: Ethno meaning - Race; people and genic meaning - Of, relating to, produced by, or being genes or a gene. So I guess the reason I can't possably comprehend what you are talking about is because my race doesn't have the genes necessary to understand. I did however find several websites that use the word ethnogenic, all of wich deal with the use of drugs. So you guys are making your own words now? Interesting.Sorry, my fault, En-then-ogen (generating the devine within). I had been misspelling the word for quite some time. I use this to reflect any plant of fungi or growth of nature which is psychoactive without the manupulition of man. I don't think that there are many other words that were mis-used... I'd be glad to fill in any blanks. Again, I think you are pointing out grammer to avoid the real argument. Stick to the argument.

-PsDX

lover/young_peace

07-07-2004, 02:20 AM

Bablabto umkak dul'mar drishcar tolagar efman eldrazo mametoto.
right on man.

wildfire

07-07-2004, 03:46 AM

dyufo q tarto xlveowi puzk amedapuk. kafed nulum samar. uk benkal!

Real American

07-07-2004, 04:29 AM

I did use the term correctly and even in an explanatory fassion. It's not that one thinks that one's ethnic group or race is superior... It's that one thinks that theirs is central to human existance.
Look up the word. Unless of course you are now trying to make up your own definitions. Should we rebel against the english language?

I do not 'throw the rest away', I have no reason to type the entire bible out here, however I am currently only going into the parts that have relavance to my arguments. I think that the entire bible is useful and if taken in the 'correct abstract interpertation', then it will provide a very healthy perspective on life. If taken as the litteral word of god, then you're simply an obvious moron. Yes you do. You quote scripture and want to believe that God gave them shrooms to eat so they could get high. Then you say that You still think that the name 'Jesus' and the word 'god' actually have any bearing on what they were meant to represent. Meant to represent? Did I miss God's memo? Did he say that His Son was no longer real, but just a representation of how we should live? Yet, much earlier in your postings, you pull scripture refering to John the baptist speaking with Jesus. So again, you use parts of The Bible you want and throw away the rest. Do you not believe that God is the way, the truth, and the light? Perhaps you don't believe that Jesus died for you? Perhaps you believe that he did not rise 3 days later? Perhaps you are suggesting that all those witnesses on the beach that were fed with a little fish and bread(if I recall, it was like 3 thousand people) were all high off some divine drug handed to them by a symbol.

Man you are so twisted in your lies and arguments, along with your drugs you can't remeber what you are saying. Fisrt you believe in God, then you discredit Him by saying he is a symbol, then you say the symbol gave Moses and the people shrooms to get high on and survive. Then you talk about Jesus and what he stood for from what you read in The Bible. Then you say You think a man name “Jesus” will return to earth and bring about the rapture? Give me a fucking break. Right after that line you talk about God telling Adam and Eve they could use everything in the garden. AGAIN, YOU USE WHAT SUITS YOU IN THE BIBLE AND THROW THE REST AWAY. You are a fake, a fraud, a deception. Do me a favor, find in The Bible where it talks about people like you. Here is another example of your contradictions : the bible description is word for word accurate account of how to locate and consume psilocybes.
If taken as the litteral word of god, then you're simply an obvious moron. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Hrmmm, I'll say one thing, then do another, I believe in not killing so I'll take that from The Bible, but I don't think Jesus died for me or that he will return so I'll throw that away......

One last point to show you that you contradict yourself:

NO, I did not, again I’m not a hippie, hippies are a pseudo-enlightened stage of hedonistic enjoyment of nature and the body…
you obviously were never a ‘hippie’ because you would come to realize like we all do, at the end of the day were all human… being a hippie is not just a list of behavioral guidelines, it is a life philosophy,
I'm done showing everyone here that you have done to many drugs.

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Back on topic, I still believe the "Magic of the 60's" came from drugs. Sure there was music everyone liked, but that is the same as today. As well as the drugs. In theory as others have stated there will alwyas be that "Magic" you speak of, it's just a matter of you being involved in it.

Ocean Byrd

07-07-2004, 08:17 AM

Here is another example of your contradictions :

the bible description is word for word accurate account of how to locate and consume psilocybes.

If taken as the litteral word of god, then you're simply an obvious moron.

Hrmmm, I'll say one thing, then do another, I believe in not killing so I'll take that from The Bible, but I don't think Jesus died for me or that he will return so I'll throw that away......

The bible is not the word of God; it was written by man. Although that is blasphamous, it's true; therefor, there is no contradiction.

One last point to show you that you contradict yourself:

NO, I did not, again I’m not a hippie, hippies are a pseudo-enlightened stage of hedonistic enjoyment of nature and the body…

you obviously were never a ‘hippie’ because you would come to realize like we all do, at the end of the day were all human… being a hippie is not just a list of behavioral guidelines, it is a life philosophy,

I'm done showing everyone here that you have done to many drugs.

Guess you should eat your own words; he never contradicted himself. He said that the hippie lifestyle was a philosophy, which is what he said in your first quote. Again, you fail to pull out a true contradiction. This is why I stopped arguing with you, you just made a web of untrue statements and it became to tiresome to correct you because you'd critique those too.

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Back on topic, I still believe the "Magic of the 60's" came from drugs. Sure there was music everyone liked, but that is the same as today. As well as the drugs. In theory as others have stated there will alwyas be that "Magic" you speak of, it's just a matter of you being involved in it.

Obviously, you didn't even read my response to Psilodelix's post where I explained what 'hippies' understood. I think your views were formed from poor life experience where you became a hardened individual who bitterly defended his views and is afraid of being proven wrong and realizing that his whole view of life is incorrect. Obviously, you need to find direction in life; religion only does so much for an individual.

Real American

07-07-2004, 09:24 AM

He used the word "we" wich puts him in the catagory he is defending. Come on, you are the one who talked about reading inbetween the lines.

The Bible is The word of God. Yes, man wrote it through inspiration from God. I'm sure all those people at the bottom of the mountain said "No Moses, you are a fool, you realy didn't talk with God". Guess the people watching the death of Christ were insaine. Oh, and the ones that spoke with him after he had risen from the grave, guess they were tripping on the manna that they found?

I think your views were formed from poor life experience where you became a hardened individual who bitterly defended his views and is afraid of being proven wrong and realizing that his whole view of life is incorrect.Who are you again to tell me my view of my life in incorrect? You have not prooved anything that I have said or believed to be wrong. You can make you own decisions on what you think of me. You can make your own decisions of what you believe in. You can do pretty much whatever you like in your life. I do have this suggestion for you though, reguardles if you want to admit it or not, you and psilodelix contradict yourselves constantly. I on the other hand, stand true to my beliefs and do not fumble the words I mean to type and come back later and say "well what I realy meant was...".

Last thing, you admire psilodelix so much, why didn't you quote the part when I showed him how he uses parts of The Bible for his own benifit and throws out the rest? Simple answer, he typed what he felt, as do you, and then contradict yourself over and over. I understand, realy I do, noone wants to ever admit they are wrong. I am honestly tired of defending myself and showing you your faults. Make your last post void of calling me names, or explaining to me how deprived I am and write down your feelings on the subject. Then we can move on.

wildfire

07-07-2004, 09:35 AM

can't we all just get along? different people have different views. you will never be able to get and athiest to believe in god and you will never get a christian to stop.

Ocean Byrd

07-07-2004, 11:01 AM

He used the word "we" wich puts him in the catagory he is defending. Come on, you are the one who talked about reading inbetween the lines.

Ya, but obviously you are not reading his post correctly; he states that you and him and everyone else is still human and then goes on to talk about hippies. It helps if you actually look at something before quoting it.

The Bible is The word of God. Yes, man wrote it through inspiration from God. I'm sure all those people at the bottom of the mountain said "No Moses, you are a fool, you realy didn't talk with God". Guess the people watching the death of Christ were insaine. Oh, and the ones that spoke with him after he had risen from the grave, guess they were tripping on the manna that they found?

How do you know for sure that the bible is the word of God? Maybe it's something a man made up as a standard for living by certain guidlines. We don't even know what the original bible really contained as many things the church at the time found to have potential to upset their power were removed from the translation. The rest is not my arguement.

Who are you again to tell me my view of my life in incorrect? You have not prooved anything that I have said or believed to be wrong. You can make you own decisions on what you think of me. You can make your own decisions of what you believe in. You can do pretty much whatever you like in your life. I do have this suggestion for you though, reguardles if you want to admit it or not, you and psilodelix contradict yourselves constantly. I on the other hand, stand true to my beliefs and do not fumble the words I mean to type and come back later and say "well what I realy meant was...".

I don't need to come back and say "Well, what I really meant was..." because I believe my assumption is rather accurate from the past posts in here. The only reason you've not contradicted yourself (I have yet to see you pull evidence of either me or Psilodelix doing so) is because you don't venture out on reason or logic; you just say the same thing over and over. Of course, you'll probably deny that (which I ensure you won't with this statement, actually; I can play that game too), but you do actually, just you vary the way you answer. Again, I stand by the statement that you qouted whole-heartedly, I didn't fumble at all and won't refrute what's been said.

Last thing, you admire psilodelix so much, why didn't you quote the part when I showed him how he uses parts of The Bible for his own benifit and throws out the rest? Simple answer, he typed what he felt, as do you, and then contradict yourself over and over. I understand, realy I do, noone wants to ever admit they are wrong. I am honestly tired of defending myself and showing you your faults. Make your last post void of calling me names, or explaining to me how deprived I am and write down your feelings on the subject. Then we can move on.

Oh, yes, I admire him... I admire the fact that he can actually type what he feels rather than some jibberish a guy made up that people base their entire lives on; it's ridiculous to do such a thing. Again, you eat your own words; you're the one who doesn't want to admit your wrong, referring back to that quote earlier... I never called you any names either. Also, you sure don't like to include bits where you were proven wrong, much less admit to it in your posts. You certainly like to quote what you like and throw the rest away...

Finally, I'm tired of pointing out your ridiculous claims as falacies and having you make even more; are you quite done?

Ocean Byrd

07-07-2004, 11:03 AM

can't we all just get along? different people have different views. you will never be able to get and athiest to believe in god and you will never get a christian to stop.

I'm not Atheist, I'm Buddhist; I just hate bible thumpers/ignorant self-indulgent individuals.

Besides, debate is always good fun in the end; it provides some insight into another view. The more you know...

Psilodelix

07-07-2004, 01:41 PM

He used the word "we" wich puts him in the catagory he is defending. Come on, you are the one who talked about reading inbetween the lines.The Bible is The word of God. Yes, man wrote it through inspiration from God. I'm sure all those people at the bottom of the mountain said "No Moses, you are a fool, you realy didn't talk with God". Guess the people watching the death of Christ were insaine. Oh, and the ones that spoke with him after he had risen from the grave, guess they were tripping on the manna that they found?I was once a 'hippie'. It was a stage of my life that helped me develop and move on to the next... self-actulization.

Who are you again to tell me my view of my life in incorrect? You have not prooved anything that I have said or believed to be wrong. You can make you own decisions on what you think of me. You can make your own decisions of what you believe in. You can do pretty much whatever you like in your life. I do have this suggestion for you though, reguardles if you want to admit it or not, you and psilodelix contradict yourselves constantly. I on the other hand, stand true to my beliefs and do not fumble the words I mean to type and come back later and say "well what I realy meant was...".

Last thing, you admire psilodelix so much, why didn't you quote the part when I showed him how he uses parts of The Bible for his own benifit and throws out the rest? Simple answer, he typed what he felt, as do you, and then contradict yourself over and over. I understand, realy I do, noone wants to ever admit they are wrong. I am honestly tired of defending myself and showing you your faults. Make your last post void of calling me names, or explaining to me how deprived I am and write down your feelings on the subject. Then we can move on.
Once again. Ocean Byrd did a good job of pointing out where you went wrong and where you even quoted me(and him) out of context. Why can't I just take one section of the bible? is there something wrong with one peice? anyway... I'm sick of explaining the true nature of the universe to people who would rather be lied to, than bother to try to comprehend the magnatude of the truth.

Magic Mushrooms and all other psychedelics for that matter are not a 'ticket' to see any one particular thing, they will not reveal the universe to you automaticly... the power of your mind combined with the 'microscope' of magic mushrooms will allow you to look at everything and everyissue in a multifaceted perspective. METAPROGRAMING < Real American I suggest you do an internet search on this one and do your best to understand.

grendel 44

07-08-2004, 09:03 AM

Hi Guys, I have been following these posts (still) I find it interesting to see two "immovable objects" still going at each other.

Psydex: I would be interested in knowing what you do when you are not tripping. Do you really live in Paris? Is it the Paris in France? How do you subsist? What do you think about Aldous Huxley?

It seems as if you might find some truth in Carl Jung's statement that follows;

But if, for instance, the statement that Christ rose from the dead is to be understood not literally but symbolically, then it is capable of various interpretations that do not conflict with the knowledge and do not conflict with the knowledge and do not impair the meaning of the statement. The objection that understanding it symbolically puts and end to the Christians hope of immortality is invalid, because long before the coming of Christianity mankind believed in a life after death and therefore had no need of the Easter event as a guarantee of immortality. The danger that a mythology understood too literally, and as taught by the church will suddenly be repudiated lock, stock and barrel is today greater than ever. Is it not time that the Christian mythology, instead of being wiped out, was understood symbolically for once?

Carl Jung
The Undiscovered Self

Real American, I understand you really believe in your religion and I do not think you will change this, however, aren't you a little interested in different points of view. Do we all HAVE to think the same way? As I mentioned before, you cannot rely on the bible as being absolute truth. There is too much evidence to contradict this. Should a true "christian" be so close minded? I think that there was a person that we now know of as Jesus the Christ, however, I do not believe he died for our sins. I do not believe he was the son of a hebrew war god (jehova). I think he was a leader of a radical group of jews who were trying to get back to their true religion and overthrow the establishment. Show me the evidence and proof that he was divine. I can believe in quantum mechanics and string theory because it has been proven mathematically. Science rears it's ugly head again!

Ocean Byrd

07-08-2004, 09:31 AM

I can believe in quantum mechanics and string theory because it has been proven mathematically.

Science doesn't explain why, only how; no one can say why you die, but they can tell you how you can die.

Psilodelix

07-08-2004, 03:04 PM

Hi Guys, I have been following these posts (still) I find it interesting to see two "immovable objects" still going at each other.

Psydex: I would be interested in knowing what you do when you are not tripping. Do you really live in Paris? Is it the Paris in France? How do you subsist? What do you think about Aldous Huxley?

Yes I do. I live in Nueilly-sur-Seine a small town exactly next to paris and porte milliot (on metro line 1). I've lived here a year and a half, and am living here for the summer until I go bact to UNI, with my parents who live here year round as part of my fathers expatriation. He has another year here on contract. Unfortunatly I have to say that I've never read anything by huxley although the though to pick up one of his books occurs almost daily. I am however fairly fimiliar with his ideas and views on similar topics. I'm definatly goning to read 'brave new world', 'island', and 'doors of preception'.... as many people have told me corrilates pretty well with what I'm saying.

It seems as if you might find some truth in Carl Jung's statement that follows;

But if, for instance, the statement that Christ rose from the dead is to be understood not literally but symbolically, then it is capable of various interpretations that do not conflict with the knowledge and do not conflict with the knowledge and do not impair the meaning of the statement. The objection that understanding it symbolically puts and end to the Christians hope of immortality is invalid, because long before the coming of Christianity mankind believed in a life after death and therefore had no need of the Easter event as a guarantee of immortality. The danger that a mythology understood too literally, and as taught by the church will suddenly be repudiated lock, stock and barrel is today greater than ever. Is it not time that the Christian mythology, instead of being wiped out, was understood symbolically for once?

Carl Jung
The Undiscovered Self

I understand.

Real American, I understand you really believe in your religion and I do not think you will change this, however, aren't you a little interested in different points of view. Do we all HAVE to think the same way? As I mentioned before, you cannot rely on the bible as being absolute truth. There is too much evidence to contradict this. Should a true "christian" be so close minded? I think that there was a person that we now know of as Jesus the Christ, however, I do not believe he died for our sins. I do not believe he was the son of a hebrew war god (jehova). I think he was a leader of a radical group of jews who were trying to get back to their true religion and overthrow the establishment. Show me the evidence and proof that he was divine. I can believe in quantum mechanics and string theory because it has been proven mathematically. Science rears it's ugly head again!
Sometimes people would just rather not think about it.

PeaCE
-PsDX

lin_jun_mu

07-09-2004, 11:40 PM

i am only 16/17, i missed out on the first comming....i want 2 do everything i possibly can to speed up the arrival of the second comming, i want 2 experience what the hippies from the 60's did.....jesus's second comming is a common misconception....it is the hippie movement not jesus that is the second comming

wildfire

07-10-2004, 04:15 AM

if there is a second movement that will be so great. right about this time we need something. all of this mass consumer commercialism bullshit. i swear if they come out with one more type of coke...:$

lover/young_peace

07-12-2004, 03:32 AM

. i swear if they come out with one more type of coke...:$
ya. or if they use another Rolling Stones song in a commercial for the new coke! ARRRRGH!

hee hee... ok sorry off topic i guess but I agree man.

no wait... next is coke with 1/2 the cocaine! its healthy man! hahaha just joking.

anyways.

~~Peace~~

wildfire

07-12-2004, 04:05 AM

yeah was the fuck was it with that commercial. your playing this really good song in the back round making it look all inspirational or something and then they put up on the screen C2 of what ever the fuck its called, and i'm like NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Dont tell me that was to advertize a fucking coke! And on top of that ANOTHER fucking kind of coke! When will the madness end!

Yeah that was back in the good ol' days when they used to put the coke in the coke. Now if it did have half coke in it then it would make scence for then to lend the song to the commercial.

Real American

07-12-2004, 08:17 AM

Yeah that was back in the good ol' days when they used to put the coke in the coke. Good ole days? You are 15...you are in your "good ole days".

Ocean Byrd

07-12-2004, 08:50 AM

Good ole days? You are 15...you are in your "good ole days".

He never said HIS good 'ol days... I refer to past differences like that too, and I'm 16.

Nalencer

07-12-2004, 01:42 PM

In this life I was born after the sixties. I just know I was a hippie n the sixties in a past life. I can actually see it. Not even just the feeling of magic but I can actually see what it was like to be at woodstock, get high on pot, and drive a hippie van. I've not experienced any of those things in this life.

I think I'm here to help start the second hippie movement. There's still a time for peace, and we still swear it's not too late.

wildfire

07-12-2004, 08:52 PM

He never said HIS good 'ol days... I refer to past differences like that too, and I'm 16.
Correction: She never said HER good 'ol days...

Ocean Byrd

07-13-2004, 07:33 AM

Yes, that's what I meant to say...

>_>

<_<

Psilodelix

07-18-2004, 03:43 AM

Coca cola is probably one of the least dangerious and urgent of the problems facing humanity.
'The 60's' that you are all refering too was not some period of time to sit around and be nastalgic and soppy about. The 'Magic of the 60's' was there because the youth of that time became dilousioned with the opressive materialistic\beurocratic\purtinical view of life that was so omni present in the 50s and early 60's.

The 'way' in which you live life is software, your brain is quite obviously the biocomputer. Everything about the way you do things is a choice, there is no one answer to any given problem but many. No one way to do anything is right, but inorder to understand any of them, you must be able to see it in all prespectives. The secret they keep is that the contents of that software are completly re-writable and they have a monopoly on the standard/average/normal script for the way to live life.

Put it this way...

If you didn't make an effort to metaprogram your mind in a way you find spiritual and suitable, who did? Society? Is the filter which filters the data coming into your senses too strong to see past the fact that 'other people' have litterally constructed your view of life (and no, this has nothing to do with careers, families, motor cars, or homes. get the picture.) It just may be. The reason I can say, that it is easy for it to get like this, is because I used to be one of the programed ones. A sheep in the flock. I made my escape, but it wasn't easy... Anyone can 'see the light' they just have to be shown how to look.

Jesus was not devine. The gospels that made their way into "the bible" were picked from almost fifty. JESUS WAS NOT DEVINE. He was a man, he had a wife and even a child. Constinitine the great decided inorder to bring the splitting pagan/christian rome back under one religion and unify the city again, he re-wrote the christian doctrine and he re-shaped the face of modern christianity. This whole mess is such a large ball of deception, that there is no point in even trying to detaingle it, just throw the whole thing out! They even frown on sex and subjugate the sacred feminin half of humanity... why? ....even through sex nature offers religious expirences...

Spirituality should account for 50% of the human life(this means time, energy, and priority). If these fundmental problems were to be improved in mankind... the 'side effects' (just name almost any socital ill) of a sick society would slowly heal. Organizations are always corrupted. A REAL religion, could never be an ORGANIZED religion.

-PsDX

wildfire

07-19-2004, 02:33 AM

i completely agree. while you can't be sure if jesus actually did have a wife and kids, alot of the bible is sorted through and changed by people many times over the years. and organized religion is alway a bad idea. more people have died in the name of god than anything else over the past few thousand years.

Vida

07-20-2004, 12:41 AM

The 60´s were great. People were trying to get some freedom of speech, they were trying to find more about themselves, about their sexual life, about their bodies and they used to be in touch with spiritual stuffs, religions.

And that makes a huge difference, because when you believe in something powerful and stronger than all humans, you are not so vain and selfish, and you try to give what you have and make poor people (I´m not just talking about money) happier.

Vida

07-20-2004, 12:42 AM

Spirituality should account for 50% of the human life(this means time, energy, and priority). If these fundmental problems were to be improved in mankind... the 'side effects' (just name almost any socital ill) of a sick society would slowly heal. Organizations are always corrupted. A REAL religion, could never be an ORGANIZED religion.

-PsDX

Well said.

Ocean Byrd

07-20-2004, 09:20 AM

Organizations are always corrupted. A REAL religion, could never be an ORGANIZED religion.

That's probably why a lot of people in the 60's looked to eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism; they aren't an organized religion. Most of it is self-practice; the Four Noble Truths and Eight-fold Path of Buddhism is a great example of this. I'm Buddhist but I can't seek to follow the Four Noble Truths so long as I'm with my parents as they are Protestant Christians and can't escape materialism.

Just recently, they bought a $800 entertainment center; which was completely uneccesary as our TV stand was just fine. They grew suspicious of my actions when I began to release a lot of my material possessions and only cared for music and other entertainment objects. I guess I've taken the first step towards fullfilling the Four Noble Truths; but I will have a difficult time removing all desire from my life until I'm much older as I live in a materialistic society focused on excess (aka America).

Psilodelix

07-20-2004, 03:49 PM

Just recently, they bought a $800 entertainment center; which was completely uneccesary as our TV stand was just fine. They grew suspicious of my actions when I began to release a lot of my material possessions and only cared for music and other entertainment objects. I guess I've taken the first step towards fullfilling the Four Noble Truths; but I will have a difficult time removing all desire from my life until I'm much older as I live in a materialistic society focused on excess (aka America).I am the product of two white chritian over-consumers as well. These kind of purchaces are really thin, they are usually just to get a "buyers high", that sort of fealing of possibilities you feel after buying something big - usually only even mkaes for a noticable feeling to those who don't use drugs. The basic rushes in life are so amazing to "them". Addreneline, Dopamine (orgasm), Endorfin Release (chocolate,love) and all these feelings are intense in the life of people who's biggest chemical feelings in their brians are the "cheap shot" emotional ups and downs:

Television - the more I take psychedelics, the more I think of it as an enslaving force of humanity. The control it has over everyons mind is very disturbing, yet compleatly SUB ROSA. I used to be a 'hardcore american', nearly a perfect capitilist baby, before I became about 16 and had the same sort of revalations you're having/had (I wasn't even getting high at the time at all).

I just never applied any premade theories or religions as symbolic identification. Once I began to religiously use psychedelics all the time, spirituality and symbolism have taken unfathomably new depts and personal meaning. Besiclly I just never figured out that I could use the Buddhist symbolism to my personal advantage. Fire enough though, I have found my own "enlightenment", which personally, I value way more than someone elses verson of nirvana.Tim Leary's "8 Fold Model of Human Consciousness" works in secryonicity with the buddhist version. This is no COINCIDENCE!!!

jailmate

07-20-2004, 03:59 PM

Duh real majic iz in duh Hair.

like natural, unlike duh devilpigz

lavalamped

07-21-2004, 12:53 AM

(Toby Keith, anyone?).
Toby Keith drives me nuts. Heh. Anyone else?

lover/young_peace

07-21-2004, 01:57 AM

Toby Keith drives me nuts. Heh. Anyone else?
very much so. He thinks sticking a boot up someone's ass makes you a good American. oh, that song is so bone-headed! :rolleyes:

very secretly in my mind i've always wanted old, decrepit Bob Dylan to kick Toby Keith's ass. Well, not physically, but just to outperform him with both his music and intellegence. Just another one of my sick dreams, I guess....

anyways... :)

Psilodelix

07-21-2004, 03:23 AM

I just saw Micheal Moore's new flic "Farenheit 9/11". Unbeliable. Don't get me wrong, micheal moore's a bit of a weener, particulary because he uses some of the same emotional-spin-scare-tactics that the people he's bitching about do. However, I sat transfixed in my seat and frequently feeling real neasua from how much what I was watching bothered me. Although I had known about much of the 'fucked up shit' that moore used...to see it all layed out before you in 2 hours is fuckin' intense! My new conclusion: Bush = Biblical Anti-Christ.

The film is NOT anti-american... it's a political observation.

Remember Nostradomas's prediction... not the end of the world but "the End of Days", brought about by the man with a turban.... the metaphorical shifting of the spiritual balances resulting in a dramaticly changed 'world'. Hmmm... maybe there's a pattern here somewhere.... ;)

-PsDX

Ocean Byrd

07-21-2004, 06:01 AM

I need to go see that...

Real American

07-21-2004, 09:08 AM

Ocean Byrd

07-21-2004, 11:41 AM

Psilodelix

07-21-2004, 03:28 PM

I bet psilodelix believed every word he heard on that movie. Wonder if he read the articles wich consisted of interviews with Moore where he admits that it is only one side of a story, and several lies existing with in the movie. Nah, I am sure he missed all that.
Real American, first let me just say "Fuck You". You know nothing about me. I also saw the interview you're refering to on french tv. Second of all I don't believe that what is shown in that film is fact... of course its one side of the story, an opinion, it's a film!

I even bothered to say...

"micheal moore's a bit of a weener, particulary because he uses some of the same emotional-spin-scare-tactics that the people he's bitching about do"

I could go on to mention that many of his "this and that" may not be accurate. However, the fact is that most of his film and most of the most seriously disturbing parts of it were showing interviews (from american TV) of our own poilticians in their own words. Unlike 'Bowling for Columbine' it seems like MM does a lot less pushing along for this one.

One congressman actually says, "...do you know what it would entail if we actually READ every bill we pass?". GIVE ME A FUCKING BRAKE...I wanted to be ill!

Real American will porbably not see this film, simply because he does not what to take EMOTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY for himself and people like him supporting the anti-christ. Keeping in mind that the bible is written in metaphore... re-read what it has to say about the anti-christ. The only problem is, fools like RA think Christ was devine, so conversly they expect the Anti-Christ to preform fucking magic tricks... the opposite of turning water to wine, walking on water, ect... hahahahaha....

The literal interperation of the Bible puts one in the same group of religious lunitics as Osoma Bin Laden and his gang of murderers... In religious principle Real American has identical religious values to Osama Bin Laden. All religious writings are writen in metaphore because that is the easiest method of explaining the abstract... using the literal. Go re-read the bible, it is about a battle for control of the human souls... nature vs. civilization/society/money...

"The Tower of Babalyon", god then made them all speak different languages so they would no longer work togother to "build a tower to heaven". This is why we can never have Globalization! Were they buliding a building vertical tower of bricks tall enough to reach heaven? I don't think so :rolleyes: . This story metaphoricaly illustrates the dangers of society... how they can all convince you that you can "work" (or manupuilate/reshape natural materials) enough to 'get to heaven'. Are there any societies now a days think/advertise that they can "work hard" to get to 'heaven'?

-PsDX