How many Goths

[J0hn]

Do you have a dark side to your otherwise hippy self? Are you a Goth by night, and a hippy by day. Or are you all Goth, but used to be a real hippy. perhaps life cruelly expelled your hopes and dreams, placed it in a thumbscrew and it was crushed beyond recognition. Vote now.

[verseau_miracle]

Lifes too short innit

[Peace-Phoenix]

Can't say I am....

[Power_13]

perhaps life cruelly expelled your hopes and dreams, placed it in a thumbscrew and it was crushed beyond recognition.Well fuck. I thought I was just working class, turns out I'm goth.

[CloudFlower]

Everyone has a darkside
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[razy]

I thought this was going to be a "how many Goths does it take to change a light bulb" question

[Peace-Phoenix]

Well fuck. I thought I was just working class, turns out I'm goth.
Been hanging out with Josie too long....

[Power_13]

Not seen him for years, actually.
Seriously, I can't remember the last time we spoke, excepting MSN (even that was a while back).

[verseau_miracle]

I thought this was going to be a "how many Goths does it take to change a light bulb" questionHaha:D

[Peace-Phoenix]

I thought this was going to be a "how many Goths does it take to change a light bulb" questionNone, they'd all be sitting crying in the dark....

[lithium]

What's the difference between "Yes (by night)" and "No (by day)"?:confused:

[J0hn]

No (by day). Means that you are a goth during the day. Hense the sad looking face:( Yes (By night) Means you are a goth by night. I carefully placed these questions in order to make some sense. Other's have got it so far. I hope this has cleared things up. :)

[Peace-Phoenix]

Yes, I'm a goth but only by night.

No, I'm not a goth, except during the day.

That was my interpretation, though my first reaction was also to think they were the same....

[nynysuts]

Hmmm, should add No, I'm an emo *sob* to that list. Just so my sister can tick it.

[phoenix_indigo]

i'm just very confused ...i'm a hippy, at least if i were to label myself i'd say i am more that than anything else; but i wear black nearly all the time (or dark purple ... bit like the background on this page actually) and love Nine Inch Nails ... mmm ... i don't fit in any box :tongue:

[verseau_miracle]

Come on J0hn, times flowing away far too rapidly to be talking about thumbscrews and nightmares...dye your hair pink, ride a carousel, become a street entertainer or go on a camping trip:)

[J0hn]

You are probably right VM. But getting out of the darkness is difficult. Darkness comes at your weakest moment like an angel that holds a key to your darkest desires. She comes with a candle and guides you down the highway. She tempts you like the Devil himself, she smiles vacantly at you but somehow that vacant smile is all it takes for your soul to wander down the road, clinging to that angel like she were your rock.

Additional: Someday I will shed my cloak, as it falls to the ground. My eyes will light up, my smile will be genuine. People will want me, they will love me, they will appreciate my being, my presence and my personality. But perhaps, my fate is sealed.

When I am really depressed, listening to heavy metal music seems to help take away that anger, that bitterness and despair. I pity the children of the next generation. A world they will see, share and exist in. Only to suffer due to the folly of our wayward judgements and actions.
I am a Goth. When I am ready to shed my cloak, will I be strong enough to grab the bull by the horns.:guitar:

[verseau_miracle]

I know how hard it is, believe me i do. After a long string of serious abuse i was right down there at the bottom, and im still climbing my way back up, too. I wallowed for about 2 years, teling myself one day ill be better, or not even believing that at times, until it hit me that you just have to do it, because no-one or nothing is going to do it for you, and times flying past and i didnt deserve to suffer. I needed to act

You just sound like a good man who's had a rough time of it J0hn, but you dont have to live with sadness any longer...Its really, really difficult and itll probably take all the strength you have, but i can tell you its FAR better than living in limbo. If people knock you down just shrug it off and keep going, and if you get lonely then talk to someone...anyone. There are good people out there. Thats what im doing now, and it works

I obviously dont know the details of how you got to feel crappy sometimes, but i know no-one has to suffer so long after the events if they choose not to. The majority of people have encountered depression at some point. Ive found anything other than looking forward, planning, enjoying the day, talking to people or having fun is just wallowing and making it worse unless its constructive and will drive you forward...Think about your ambitions a lot, because you dont deserve to have them robbed from you

Im typing too much now. Basically if youre wearing rainbow colours and knowing your strength, youre going to feel good. If youre wearing black all the time and concentrating on your misfortunes, youll feel a bit shit. And its your choice

xxx

By the way hope this didnt sound patronising or anything...I know you already know all this really, but sometimes i know i just needed a reminder

[verseau_miracle]

Also, you know im always here to talk to if you like, and im sure everyone else here is the same

[lithium]

No (by day). Means that you are a goth during the day. Hense the sad looking face Yes (By night) Means you are a goth by night. I carefully placed these questions in order to make some sense. Other's have got it so far. I hope this has cleared things up. I don't see it. The question is "are you a goth" and the answers are either "yes" or "no", qualified by parenthetical clauses indicating the conditions under which the yes or no answer is true:

1) yes I am a goth (by night - ie. not by day)
2) no I am not a goth (ie. never)
3) yes I am a goth (night and day - ie. always);
4) no I am not a goth (by day - ie. yes I am a goth by night)

Option 2 and 3 are opposites, but reading the question consistently, 1 and 4 are both versions of "yes I am a goth by night". There is no option for "yes I am a goth (by day - ie. not by night)".

There would be such an option if as Peace suggested, you were required to interpret the qualifying clause in a different way in subsequent instances. That is - in option 1 the parenthesis indicates the conditions under which the answer is true, but in option 4 it indicates the conditions under which the answer is not true. Option 4 therefore becomes "no I am not a goth, but this is not true by day - ie. I am a goth by day, not by night" because of the double negative.

Interestingly if you reverse the order of the true / not true interpretation (ie. 1 becomes "except by night" and 4 becomes "only by day"), the lack of a double negative now means that 1 and 4 are genuine opposites, but with a meaning exactly opposed to the one suggested by you:

1) yes I am a goth (not true by night) ie. only by day
4) no I am not a goth (true by day) ie. only at night

But there is nothing to dictate which of the clauses should be interpreted to indicate the conditions under which the answer is true and which to indicate the conditions under which the answer is not true, nor indeed whether all qualifying clauses represent either a "true" or "not true" state.

Therefore this poll question makes no logical sense and I refuse to vote:tongue:

[lithium]

I don't see it. The question is "are you a goth" and the answers are either "yes" or "no", qualified by parenthetical clauses indicating the conditions under which the yes or no answer is true:

1) yes I am a goth (by night - ie. not by day)
2) no I am not a goth (ie. never)
3) yes I am a goth (night and day - ie. always);
4) no I am not a goth (by day - ie. yes I am a goth by night)

Option 2 and 3 are opposites, but reading the question consistently, 1 and 4 are both versions of "yes I am a goth by night". There is no option for "yes I am a goth (by day - ie. not by night)".

There would be such an option if as Peace suggested, you were required to interpret the qualifying clause in a different way in subsequent instances. That is - in option 1 the parenthesis indicates the conditions under which the answer is true, but in option 4 it indicates the conditions under which the answer is not true. Option 4 therefore becomes "no I am not a goth, but this is not true by day - ie. I am a goth by day, not by night" because of the double negative.

Interestingly if you reverse the order of the true / not true interpretation (ie. 1 becomes "except by night" and 4 becomes "only by day"), the lack of a double negative now means that 1 and 4 are genuine opposites, but with a meaning exactly opposed to the one suggested by you:

1) yes I am a goth (not true by night) ie. only by day
4) no I am not a goth (true by day) ie. only at night

But there is nothing to dictate which of the clauses should be interpreted to indicate the conditions under which the answer is true and which to indicate the conditions under which the answer is not true, nor indeed whether all qualifying clauses represent either a "true" or "not true" state.

Therefore this poll question makes no logical sense and I refuse to vote:tongue:The things I do to avoid working:D

[phoenix_indigo]

I don't see it. The question is "are you a goth" and the answers are either "yes" or "no", qualified by parenthetical clauses indicating the conditions under which the yes or no answer is true:

1) yes I am a goth (by night - ie. not by day)
2) no I am not a goth (ie. never)
3) yes I am a goth (night and day - ie. always);
4) no I am not a goth (by day - ie. yes I am a goth by night)

Option 2 and 3 are opposites, but reading the question consistently, 1 and 4 are both versions of "yes I am a goth by night". There is no option for "yes I am a goth (by day - ie. not by night)".

There would be such an option if as Peace suggested, you were required to interpret the qualifying clause in a different way in subsequent instances. That is - in option 1 the parenthesis indicates the conditions under which the answer is true, but in option 4 it indicates the conditions under which the answer is not true. Option 4 therefore becomes "no I am not a goth, but this is not true by day - ie. I am a goth by day, not by night" because of the double negative.

Interestingly if you reverse the order of the true / not true interpretation (ie. 1 becomes "except by night" and 4 becomes "only by day"), the lack of a double negative now means that 1 and 4 are genuine opposites, but with a meaning exactly opposed to the one suggested by you:

1) yes I am a goth (not true by night) ie. only by day
4) no I am not a goth (true by day) ie. only at night

But there is nothing to dictate which of the clauses should be interpreted to indicate the conditions under which the answer is true and which to indicate the conditions under which the answer is not true, nor indeed whether all qualifying clauses represent either a "true" or "not true" state.

Therefore this poll question makes no logical sense and I refuse to vote:tongue:have you ever thought of working for a law firm? :eek:

[J0hn]

I think he would make a great Sleuth detective. I can just see Lith now going around the streets of London with a large magnifying glass, looking for evidence of Fidget's whereabouts.

[lithium]

Elementary my dear J0rg:detective

[J0hn]

I am not Jorge Sosa:) :butterfly

[PsyGrunge]

None, they'd all be sitting crying in the dark....

I think you're getting goths mixed up with Emo's there, mate. You know for a fact Goths would be in their element if the light bulb went, letting the darkness prevail and encompass what's left of their souls...

Shitty fucking thread though, when all said and done.

[JethBroh]

dah,,,

[PsyGrunge]

dum dum diddy