previous civilizations

[underground04]

the way things are going now it seems as though humans are doomed. what if there was an advanced civilization like ours 10 or 15 thousand years ago which suffered the same fate? or if the last ice age wasent a naturally occouring event but a nuclear winter? im sure theres amountain of evidence that some body'll post that disproves this theory but its just a thought. what im asking is, do you think were doomed to a stone age future?

[seamonster66]

I absolutely see no way around it...even if our society advances for hundreds of years,or thousands, it will still end in some catastrophic way, or the climate will gradually make the earth inhospitable to human life, and only stragglers will be left.


i've always imagined the earths population declining, and just walking through abandoned apartment complexs etc.

Of course that could be just an apocolyptic fantasy...in short, i do believe at some point life as we know it will be wiped away, and something else will occupy this space, or humankind may start again.

[Becknudefck]

i dont see the point in worrying about it...if it happens it happens.....

[seamonster66]

just because someone chooses to ponder things like this does not mean they are worried about it.

[brokenwingz425]

There is plenty of major evidence that a major civlilzation existed around 12000 years ago. I was watching this show on discovery channel where they went to various ruins around the world: The Pyramids, Angkor Wat, The Ican Lines in Peru......etc.... They all exactly resembled certain constellations. They ran the constellations through the computer and found that those constellations were only visible from those points they were built at the same exact time, 12000 years ago. It was pretty interesting stuff

[chickenchoker]

the way things are going now it seems as though humans are doomed.
That's for sure. The worst part is we are going to destroy ourselves and we have the technology to stop it.

cc

[underground04]

i've always imagined the earths population declining, and just walking through abandoned apartment complexs etc.have you ever read "by the waters of babylon"?

[Kandahar]

That's for sure. The worst part is we are going to destroy ourselves and we have the technology to stop it.

ccI'm not sure I understand what you mean...Can you clarify? The way I see it, we have nuclear weapons but no nuclear-explosion-prevention-machines yet. We have greenhouse gases, but no greenhouse-gas-cleaner-uppers yet. It seems to me like the technology for destroying our little planet is 100+ years more advanced than the technology for saving our planet from said destruction.

[Psy Fox]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...Can you clarify? The way I see it, we have nuclear weapons but no nuclear-explosion-prevention-machines yet. We have greenhouse gases, but no greenhouse-gas-cleaner-uppers yet. It seems to me like the technology for destroying our little planet is 100+ years more advanced than the technology for saving our planet from said destruction. But Ivan Illich and Ned Ludd showed the path of not killing our selfs. The non-industrial path, simply get rid of nuclear weapons and stop gernerating pollution.

We have the technology and ability to NOT build nuclear weapons.

[seamonster66]

Quote; have you ever read "the waters of babylon"?

No, but if its along these lines, i definitely want to check it out.

[Butch]

But how can we be too smart for our own good? Surely if we were we would make decisions that are good for our own future.

Technology cannot harm anyone or anything. Technology is not alive. It is man that does the damage. It all started with the first technological steps, that is, fire and primitive hunting weapons. These technological steps enabled man to control his environment more and more. These days man basically has control over the entire planet, but it is not control that is a bad thing because with control comes responsibility and the power to choose.

Once again the future course of the entire planet lies not in the hands of man but in the minds of man. We choose what our future will be like, and while some of us choose wisely other short-sighted capitalist consumers will destroy it for the rest of us.

To save the world the minds of the men who are destroying the world need to be changed. Western culture should lead the way in world preservation, not economic progress.

A new world consciousness needs to be adopted. Alternatively a genetically engineered ferocious lion species could be released to bring our numbers down.

Save yourself, the rest will follow.

Butch.

[Kandahar]

But Ivan Illich and Ned Ludd showed the path of not killing our selfs. The non-industrial path, simply get rid of nuclear weapons and stop gernerating pollution.

We have the technology and ability to NOT build nuclear weapons.
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. If one country got rid of its nukes, all of its nuclear rivals would gain an advantage on it. If every nuclear power simultaneously agreed to dismantle their nukes, how could any of them be sure that one of the others wouldn't hold a few back?

I think the goal of not generating pollution is even more unrealistic. We depend on industry for almost every aspect of our modern lives, and I think the quality of life around the world would sharply decline if we stopped polluting entirely. A better solution is to simply manage our pollution as best we can, perhaps by fining excessive polluters or by researching nanotechnology which can help us clean up our environment.

[Psy Fox]

I think the goal of not generating pollution is even more unrealistic. We depend on industry for almost every aspect of our modern lives, and I think the quality of life around the world would sharply decline if we stopped polluting entirely. A better solution is to simply manage our pollution as best we can, perhaps by fining excessive polluters or by researching nanotechnology which can help us clean up our environment. You need encloser for a industrial system and encloser is wealth usurpation.

"Only recently, at the base of society, a new kind of "popular intellectual" is beginning to recognize what has been happening. Enclosure has denied the people the right to that kind of environment on which - throughout all of history - the moral economy of survival had been based. Enclosure, once accepted, redefines community. Enclosure underlines the local autonomy of community. Enclosure of the commons is thus as much in the interest of professionals and of state bureaucrats as it is in the interest of capitalists. Enclosure allows the bureaucrats to define local community as impotent - "ei-ei schau-schau!!!" - to provide for its own survival. People become economic individuals that depend for their survival on commodities that are produced for them. Fundamentally, most citizens' movements represent a rebellion against this environmentally induced redefinition of people as consumers."

-Ivan Illich

[backtothelab]

I'm not going to get into all this other stuff, but I will say this: My great-grandfather was in the Italian Calvery in the first world war in 1917, and he and a bunch of other guys were in the libyan desert digging trenches. Well, as my he told me, after digging for about two days, they found thick metal wire (he said he thought it was copper) that went on undergroud for several miles. That does'nt sound legit to me. I can't say exactly what it is, but I know it's something

[cobcottage]

Put it this way, our brains have been basically the same for...how many millions of years? Think of how for we have evolved technologically in the last few hundred years, then think...we recently discovered that human beings have had the technology to cross the oceans and have been doing so for thousands of years, whose to say they haven't been doing other things? They are digging up lost civilizations every year, who knows what they will find:)

[UnspokenThings]

these sorts of theories were really popular in the 70s. ive got loads of books on this kind of thing.

the Nazca lines in peru, that can only be seen from an aircraft, one of the images of a spider depicted with a sexual organ on one of its legs that can only be seen under a microscope, that isnt native to that area.

when archeologists were digging up things in egypt, from the anceint days they found what looked like a whole lot of toys. this was in the days before we had invented the aeroplane. one of the toys they thought was a funny looking bird. years later in the 1930s it was realised it was actually a plane.

a similar item was found in south america, but much smaller, with a letter of the alphabet written on it - in anceint arabic!

cave paintings that were excavated were found to show people wearing pretty neat looking clothes...they dont like the public looking at these for fear its too weird. but it is now beleived by some people that other cave paintings are ones made by people learning to paint, as some have signs that a teacher has corrected them etc...



sooo many different things like this that cant be explained.

you guys might be interested in this

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=92024&t=92024

[BlackGuardXIII]

the way things are going now it seems as though humans are doomed. what if there was an advanced civilization like ours 10 or 15 thousand years ago which suffered the same fate? or if the last ice age wasent a naturally occouring event but a nuclear winter? im sure theres amountain of evidence that some body'll post that disproves this theory but its just a thought. what im asking is, do you think were doomed to a stone age future?
There is a mountain of proof that that is exactly what happened. the book 'cataclism' by an archeologist and a geologist spell it out as clear as can be. And dont forget, every ancient culture describes the devestation.

[BlackGuardXIII]

There is plenty of major evidence that a major civlilzation existed around 12000 years ago. I was watching this show on discovery channel where they went to various ruins around the world: The Pyramids, Angkor Wat, The Ican Lines in Peru......etc.... They all exactly resembled certain constellations. They ran the constellations through the computer and found that those constellations were only visible from those points they were built at the same exact time, 12000 years ago. It was pretty interesting stuff
In the book Cataclism, the two authors went around the world and took samples from the strata of 10 000 bc, like you say 12 000 years ago, and they found ashes and charcoal abundant in all of them, worldwide. The book explains all the other craters, destruction and corroborating ancient legends, and it points to a massive object just missing the earth. Pieces broke off and rained down, the gravitational pull dragged the oceans up over the continents and made the magma rise and fall like a tide, shattering the crust, so volcanoes erupted everywhere. Even geneticists have proved that the extremely small variation in human dna is due to the population being 'pinched off' down to very few survivors at least once, and they said likely more than once. The mammoths with buttercups in their mouths that were found in Siberia, frozen solid, still standing, can only happen with a temperature of around 200 degrees below. This is only possible if space touched the earths surface. Imagine flash freezing a woolly covered ten ton mammal so fast that the meat didnt spoil, that is what happened. the Vedas talk about it. And then the Piri Reis map is the final straw. Taken from source maps said to be at least two thousand years old, it shows antarctica ice free. When first studied in the early 1900's it was ridiculed for being inaccurate in antarctica, but then when the British did a sonar survey in the 40's and mapped the coast underneath the ice, it was right after all. The mayan calculation of the distances between the earth and the moon were only bettered once we put reflectors on the moon and bounced lasers off them in the 70's. In the 60's the Mayan numbers were more accurate. And those ancient stone blocks around the world, all use the same design......
Probably just coincidence, huh?
The God Quetzlcoatl is known as the plumed serpent. imagine a long snake in the sky with plumes flowing out behind it.....a comet perhaps?

[brokenwingz425]

The God Quetzlcoatl is known as the plumed serpent. imagine a long snake in the sky with plumes flowing out behind it.....a comet perhaps?
Vapor coming out the back of a jet fighter?

[brokenwingz425]

Isn;t there an ancient manuscript nearly perfectly decribing a nuclear explosion. I think it was found in India or somewhere near there. It said something about a bright flash followed by a massive cloud reaching to the heavens and wiped out an entire tribe. Sounds a lot like a meteor or nuclear explosion

[Soulless||Chaos]

yeah the indian writings(can't remember the name) sounds almost exactly like a nuclear war. also there are lots of realy old sunken cities they're finding. and those maps from back in the day that are way too accurate, and they were traced from from previous older maps... they also show antarctica, not covered in ice.

[StonerBill]

man this stuff is so insense atm

[fulmah]

those maps from back in the day that are way too accurate, and they were traced from from previous older maps... they also show antarctica, not covered in ice.You're referring to the Piri Reis map:
http://www.mysteriousearth.com/stuff/archives/000002.html

The Indian writing probably being referred to is the Ramanyana(sp?)... and there's far more in there than just a nuclear explosion! I don't know anyone who's ever read it that couldn't at least concede that it sounds like they're talking about UFO's... even Alexander the Great, when he was conquering India, described flying objects attacking them.
The most detailed description I've ever read of a nuclear explosion, from an ancient source, is the Sumerian Enuma Elish, the creation story from which the Biblical book of Genesis is based off of. The story (popularly known as Sodom and Gommorrah) is a great description, ending with a "black wind" that came over Sumer, decimating the population with sickness... sounds alot like radiation sickness, right?

Zecharia Sitchen details a ton of this stuff in his writing, just take him with a grain of salt; he's not the highly educated linguist that he presents himself as; several scholars have challenged his interpretations with no response...

The three societies that all date back to the period of time you're referring to are Sumer, Kish or Kush(India), and Egypt (coming a few thousand years after the other two)...

[Soulless||Chaos]

Yeah that's what I was talking about. It seems so obvious that there was a lot more going on then is currently accepted.

[brokenwingz425]

anyone seen the pictures of the egyptian heiroglyphs that look like different models of airplanes?

[DoggoD]

I find this thread very interesting. Check out the news stories about the biggest asteroid ever passing by earth on Sep 29. That is tomorrow. Are they telling us everything? I doubt it.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/28/asteriod.fly/index.html

[brokenwingz425]

That would be wierd to wake up tomorrow and 1/2 the world is completely gone

[underground04]

if that were the case then you probably wouldnt ever wake up

[BlackGuardXIII]

How about the bible story of Sodom and Gomorrah? That sounds like nuclear devestation too. In revelations it talks about destruction in the blink of an eye.
There is not enough years in my life to read all the evidence of previous advanced civilizations. Forbidden Archaelogy is an interesting read...........

[Kandahar]

I think you guys read too much into things. Sure, enormous devastation and huge amounts of fire and ashes COULD refer to nuclear war...but they could also refer to volcanoes, earthquakes, large "traditional" wars, or hundreds of other kinds of disasters.

The truth of the matter is that it is EXTREMELY unlikely, if not impossible, that any large civilization which hasn't yet been discovered ever existed. It is absolutely impossible that any large civilization which could be considered technologically "advanced" ever existed. Archaeologists have searched virtually every region of the planet for evidence of previous civilizations. If such civilizations existed, why is there no (or very little) evidence of them?

REAL science is interesting enough. Why buy into pseudoscience?

[BlackGuardXIII]

It is absolutely impossible that any large civilization which could be considered technologically "advanced" ever existed. Archaeologists have searched virtually every region of the planet for evidence of previous civilizations. If such civilizations existed, why is there no (or very little) evidence of them?

There is tons of evidence, Kandahar. It is absolutely impossible for you to know whether one did or not. What about the Piri Reis map?
What about the Great Pyramid of Giza, have you studied how advanced it is? For it to have been built by a civilization starting out, is like the first car ever built being a Lambourgini diablo.
I see it totally opposite to you, I see tons of evidence.
Forbidden Archeology is a good read... as I previously mentioned.

[loveflower]

My sister told me once while we were driving that they've done a lot of tests with different bacterias, and all of them reproduced a lot and reached a peak, then died out. They never just kept reproducing, so they've concluded that we're on the decline, which I'm not gonna lie, is a good thing in my eye.

[TrippinBTM]

I think the goal of not generating pollution is even more unrealistic. We depend on industry for almost every aspect of our modern lives, and I think the quality of life around the world would sharply decline if we stopped polluting entirely. A better solution is to simply manage our pollution as best we can, perhaps by fining excessive polluters or by researching nanotechnology which can help us clean up our environment.
Although it isn't possible to stop pollution entirely, even as a hunter-gatherer (wood fires pollute), standard of living is not dependent on technology (at least it shouldn't be). The Bushmen in the Kalahari have almost no possessions yet rank as high as an american in quality of life. They have a balanced diet (better than ours), good health, low stress, close knit families and friends, etc.

[TrippinBTM]

There is tons of evidence, Kandahar. It is absolutely impossible for you to know whether one did or not. What about the Piri Reis map?
What about the Great Pyramid of Giza, have you studied how advanced it is? For it to have been built by a civilization starting out, is like the first car ever built being a Lambourgini diablo.
I see it totally opposite to you, I see tons of evidence.
Forbidden Archeology is a good read... as I previously mentioned.
Prove it.

[underground04]

the reason there is little evidence is simple. all the other evidence was either dismantled by the survivors to build and make other things or it was utterly destroyed by whatever took out this civilization. on the other hand, can you explain away the evidence that supports my idea kandahar?

[seamonster66]

Quote: "advanced" ever existed. Archaeologists have searched virtually every region of the planet for evidence of previous civilizations. If such civilizations existed, why is there no (or very little) evidence of them?


In the mountains of Peru they have found metal, medical tools such as scalpels, scissors, etc.....all virtually identical to modern tools, and all dating back thousands of years. Many civilizations were very advanced...we have expereinced the loss of lots of knowledge over the decades, sometimes reinventing or rediscovering the same old knowledge.

there is even evidence that these people were doing BRAIN SURGERY, they have found sculls with surgical holes in them where the bone has grown back, indicating that some of these people lived 20 years after the surgery.

[Kandahar]

It is absolutely impossible that any large civilization which could be considered technologically "advanced" ever existed. Archaeologists have searched virtually every region of the planet for evidence of previous civilizations. If such civilizations existed, why is there no (or very little) evidence of them?

There is tons of evidence, Kandahar. It is absolutely impossible for you to know whether one did or not. What about the Piri Reis map?
What about the Great Pyramid of Giza, have you studied how advanced it is? For it to have been built by a civilization starting out, is like the first car ever built being a Lambourgini diablo.
I see it totally opposite to you, I see tons of evidence.
Forbidden Archeology is a good read... as I previously mentioned.You are correct that the pyramids are evidence of a high-level of intelligence...but no one really regards the ancient Egyptians or Aztecs as backward people anyway. In fact, the reason that they're so popular in history classes is BECAUSE of their technology.

I think it's a stretch to say that this is "advanced" technology (in the sense that we would call it advanced today). True, we don't know exactly how the pyramids were built. But what's wrong with just admitting that we don't know and look for hard evidence, rather than making outrageous speculations and presenting them as facts?

I'm not sure what the Piri Reis map is, so I won't presume its merit or invalidity as evidence of an advanced civilization.

The very idea of "forbidden" archaeology is a bit silly in my opinion...Science is a very open field today. If "advanced" civilizations actually existed (and could be PROVEN), they would be in every world history textbook.

[*Shoes_Are_Not_Toys*]

all civilzations are doomed after they leave the hunter-gatherer way of life...you start to work against nature and thats when the problems start...and as far as polution goes in that kind of lifestyle the earth can repair the damage we do. its kinda like the same thing as a force of nature killing some of us we get over it in a little while.

[steffan]

i dont think any civalation has become machine driven before, Over all we might just have to get off this planet someday, that ,or to fix its current unstable cycle

[Kandahar]

all civilzations are doomed after they leave the hunter-gatherer way of life...you start to work against nature and thats when the problems start...and as far as polution goes in that kind of lifestyle the earth can repair the damage we do. its kinda like the same thing as a force of nature killing some of us we get over it in a little while.I don't see any basis whatsoever for this... many civilizations that left the hunter/gatherer way of life thousands of years ago still exist today, albeit in a different form.

As for "going against nature," why is this necessarily a bad thing? You mention pollution, and I agree that excessive pollution is bad for us. But a moderate amount of pollution actually improves the quality of life because it brings important products with it.

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that if we end up in a situation where it's man against nature (some would argue that we already are there), man will ultimately prevail and it is nature that will be forever changed. We're already able to control virtually every aspect of this planet aside from natural disasters, and that should be within our capability by mid-century.

[fulmah]

The very idea of "forbidden" archaeology is a bit silly in my opinion...Science is a very open field today. If "advanced" civilizations actually existed (and could be PROVEN), they would be in every world history textbook.
Their most definitely is a concept of "forbidden" archaeology... almost every history book you're ever going to see pertaining to ancient Egypt comes from one particular Greek scholar who visited there. The things that he wrote down have become so taken for granted that we doubt tons of findings that go against what he claimed. For example, the evidence that exists that leads many scholars to doubt Khufu as the builder of the Giza pyramid is simply ignored. There are cave paintings in Peru and on an Island off Africa that are near identical, depicting a people that navigated the oceans; and this dating back to 10000-13000 bc .... One of my favorite mysteries is the precession... the fact that the Earth wobbles on it's poles a mere 3 degrees, and it takes 26000 years to do it, and the ancient Sumerians and the Egyptians knew all about it...

Also, the piri reis map is a map that was discovered in the 1800's that outlined a mysterious continent... we finally figured out that it was antartica after satellites had the capability to see the landmass buried under the mile of ice on top of it.... because that's what the map detailed

[BlackGuardXIII]

Prove it.
Hey Brandon, I admire your bluntness, it is good to just get to the point. I have spent decades reading, I am a reader, and the books I like include ones about ancient civilizations, recorded history, and controversial historical events, like JFK's assassination. I suggest that if you really wonder if I am right, you do the reading, and get back to me. Or just dismiss it out of hand as crap, if you wish.

I have already mentioned the proofs that I have studied, and really have no desire or need to convince you.

[BlackGuardXIII]

You are correct that the pyramids are evidence of a high-level of intelligence...but no one really regards the ancient Egyptians or Aztecs as backward people anyway. In fact, the reason that they're so popular in history classes is BECAUSE of their technology.

I think it's a stretch to say that this is "advanced" technology (in the sense that we would call it advanced today). True, we don't know exactly how the pyramids were built. But what's wrong with just admitting that we don't know and look for hard evidence, rather than making outrageous speculations and presenting them as facts?

I'm not sure what the Piri Reis map is, so I won't presume its merit or invalidity as evidence of an advanced civilization.

The very idea of "forbidden" archaeology is a bit silly in my opinion...Science is a very open field today. If "advanced" civilizations actually existed (and could be PROVEN), they would be in every world history textbook.
The point I tried to make about the Great Pyramid, but clearly did not, is that though the best minds of today have tried, no one has come up with a doable method of repeating it, or explaining how they did it. So it is no stretch to me. I do not consider this subject silly at all, and do not make outrageous speculations, I have read thousands of pages on the subject. What do you know of it? An architect friend of mine called it stone age. That is a reflection of the fact he never studied it. It is unique, and is the biggest, best proof of the last great civilization that there is. They could not have made it clearer.
The Piri Reis map shows accurate longitude and existed centuries before we had chronometers accurate enough to equal it. It shows Antarctica without ice, accurately, which we only were able to verify in the 40's. I could go on, but why?

[BlackGuardXIII]

I don't see any basis whatsoever for this... many civilizations that left the hunter/gatherer way of life thousands of years ago still exist today, albeit in a different form.

As for "going against nature," why is this necessarily a bad thing? You mention pollution, and I agree that excessive pollution is bad for us. But a moderate amount of pollution actually improves the quality of life because it brings important products with it.

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that if we end up in a situation where it's man against nature (some would argue that we already are there), man will ultimately prevail and it is nature that will be forever changed. We're already able to control virtually every aspect of this planet aside from natural disasters, and that should be within our capability by mid-century.
Man against nature, and man will win?

I put my money on nature. How vain to think we could possibly win, in my opinion. We control zip. Nada. Cannot even control ourselves. We have been accelerating our level of overconsumption of resources for decades, and we cant even level off, let alone get back to a sustainable level.

[Kandahar]

Man against nature, and man will win?

I put my money on nature. How vain to think we could possibly win, in my opinion. We control zip. Nada. Cannot even control ourselves. We have been accelerating our level of overconsumption of resources for decades, and we cant even level off, let alone get back to a sustainable level.
I disagree! The fact that we are currently overconsuming our resources has less to do with the character of mankind, and more to do with the fact that we're in a technological adolescence. I don't expect overconsumption to last for more than a couple decades; once we have mature nanotechnology and alternate forms of energy, I think the planet will be able to sustain 10-20 billion people without overconsuming natural resources.

You're right that we can't control SOME aspects of nature today...weather was the example I mentioned earlier. But again, I think that will come with time. I don't see any reason why nature should be the presumed favorite in a "man vs. nature" conflict. We have the power to adapt, reason, develop technology, and efficiently solve problems. Nature does not.

[seamonster66]

the higher that the monkey can climb, the more he shows his tail,


you can drive out nature with a pitchfork, but it always comes roaring back again.

[Kandahar]

the higher that the monkey can climb, the more he shows his tail,


you can drive out nature with a pitchfork, but it always comes roaring back again.
There isn't any kind of "hard" scientific rule that says that this is true. You're basing that on the first 4.5 billion years of our planet's history, but never before has one of nature's own creations had the ability to change the world the way humans do.

"Nature" isn't a person, or an entity controlling the planet, or even a scientific rule. Nature is merely the collection of biological and geological patterns. There's no reason that we as a species must forever be inferior to nature. There's no reason that we as a species can't decide "We want to do something different."

[seamonster66]

hey, bring it up with Tom Waits, he's the one that wrote it.

Although I must agree, we will always be at the mercy of nature, whether it is in the form of a hurricane, or a microscopic virus.

[fulmah]

There's no reason that we as a species must forever be inferior to nature. There's no reason that we as a species can't decide "We want to do something different."
I would argue that we won't be able to do it fast enough, that technological advancements aren't keeping up with the damage we're doing. There's also tons of unknowns, we can't even figure out the full spectrum of the damage already done.

Although, it's possible that science could come up with a solution in time; I would just think that it's not probable.

[sylvanlightning]

Harmony and equality, are the keys for me.
Nothing goes against its own nature without consequences.
We are all interconnected.
Being human centered breeds isolation and arrogance.
Technology should be used to protect the development of all species.
Rivers of asphalt just don't exude the life-force found in green spaces.
Nature corrects itself if necessary... why force the hand?
Anyone been wondering about the excessive hurricanes and volcanic activity?

[sylvanlightning]

the way things are going now it seems as though humans are doomed. what if there was an advanced civilization like ours 10 or 15 thousand years ago which suffered the same fate? or if the last ice age wasent a naturally occouring event but a nuclear winter? im sure theres amountain of evidence that some body'll post that disproves this theory but its just a thought. what im asking is, do you think were doomed to a stone age future?

Really read up on Atlantis and Lemuria....

http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/

http://www.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/continents.html

http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/atlantis.htm

http://www.inthelight.co.nz/spirit/civilisations/atlantis.htm

http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/wildside.shtml

Namaste

[cobcottage]

I have been thinking about lost civilizations allot lately. If our minds have been the same size for 200,000 years or more, and we look at what we have done in the last few thousand, who knows what we will find under the sea.

[ryupower]

I was gonna say atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis)....but looks like I'm to late :(

[mafuman]

Forget all this 'lost civilization' stuff; what if there is some conspiracy keeping us humans from advancing too far and too fast. Everytime we get our shit together and start gathering knowledge something comes up. You got your ancient Minoan civilization, you got the roman empire falling to hordes of barbarians. the whole dark ages of europe, the dark ages in china. How far along would we be as a people if we hadnt had those set backs that stifled learning for centuries.

I thought we were a force of nature. We are every bit as unpredictable, cruel and unforgiving as any hurricane, drought or flood.

I wish i could witness our eventual conquest of the stars and our first ass-kicking of some alien peoples out there somewhere. I think we will be asked to help out some poor alien race whose getting their ass handed to them by some other alien race. But then when we get our hands on the technology our sweet bloodlust and reptilian destructivness will take over and we will crush them all and we'll take over and lord it over them and make them clean our mess up. And them after many years of destroying planets and such we will bring a glorious peace to the universe onlyu to have the conspiracy unravel all we have done and send us back into a dark ages where we forget what we did and how we go there and then we will make up stories of gods in chariots that roam the skies and we will make pyramids and earth scratchings to appease our gods and ask them to come back but slowly we will forget the meaning of them too and we will ask ourselves why did we build that pointy thing in the jungle? after many years we wil biuld ourselves up again and start the whole thing again.

[sylvanlightning]

When civilization realizes, really realizes, the interconnectedness and equalities of all things then we will become human. Human is a really old taoist term for Minds of Light. God or Goddess is not separate from the rest of creation... the only species that tries to separate itself, out of pride, is humans. Suffering is the result of not living in harmony with all that is. Evil is a made up concept to control people into believing that they need to be governed. The dark ages come when we wallow in our own separate isolation and try to eat each other after we have eaten everything else. Kali Yuga is only possible when civilization is cut off from true equality.

[BlackGuardXIII]

When civilization realizes, really realizes, the interconnectedness and equalities of all things then we will become human. Human is a really old taoist term for Minds of Light. God or Goddess is not separate from the rest of creation... the only species that tries to separate itself, out of pride, is humans. Suffering is the result of not living in harmony with all that is. Evil is a made up concept to control people into believing that they need to be governed. The dark ages come when we wallow in our own separate isolation and try to eat each other after we have eaten everything else. Kali Yuga is only possible when civilization is cut off from true equality.


"I will follow the white man's trail. I will make him my friend, but I will not bend my back to his burdens. I will be cunning as a coyote.I will ask him to help me understand his ways, then I will prepare the way for my children, and their children.The Great Spirit has shown me -a day will come when they will outrun the white man in his own shoes."

"In early days we were close to nature. We judged time, weather conditions, and many things by the elements--the good earth,the blue sky, the flying of geese, and the changing winds.We looked to these for guidance and answers. Our prayers and thanksgiving were said to the four winds--to the East, from whence the new day was born; to the South, which sent the warm breeze which gave a feeling of comfort; to the West, which ended the day and brought rest; and to the North,the Mother of winter whose sharp air awakened a time of preparationfor the long days ahead. We lived by God's hand through nature and evaluated the changing winds to tell us or warn us of what was ahead.Today we are again evaluating the changing winds.May we be strong in spirit and equal to our Fathers of another day in reading the signs accurately and interpreting them wisely. May Wah-Kon-Tah, the Great Spirit,look down upon us, guide us,and inspire us, and give us courage and wisdom. Above all, may He look down upon us and be pleased."

Chief Seattle

WE WILL BE KNOWN BY THE TRACKS WE LEAVE BEHIND
HUMANKIND HAS NOT WOVEN THE WEB OF LIFE.
WE ARE BUT ONE THREAD WITHIN IT.
WHATEVER WE DO TO THE WEB WE DO TO OURSELVES.
ALL THINGS ARE BOUND TOGETHER.
ALL THINGS CONNECT.

CHIEF SEATTLE

Treat the Earth well, it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors. We borrow it from our children.

Chief Seattle

The earth is not their brother, but their enemy. They conquer it and move on. They will devour everything and the earth will become a desert.

Chief Seattle, 1844

[BlackGuardXIII]

There isn't any kind of "hard" scientific rule that says that this is true. You're basing that on the first 4.5 billion years of our planet's history, but never before has one of nature's own creations had the ability to change the world the way humans do.

"Nature" isn't a person, or an entity controlling the planet, or even a scientific rule. Nature is merely the collection of biological and geological patterns. There's no reason that we as a species must forever be inferior to nature. There's no reason that we as a species can't decide "We want to do something different."
The true details and causes of newsworthy events that happened a week ago are difficult to prove beyond a shadow of doubt. Look at the many different descriptions now written, claiming to know what happened on 9 11. I find it hard to claim I know anything as a fact. So when I read something like, " never before has one of nature's own creations had the ability to change the world the way humans do. ", I view the statement as boldly presumptuous, and a bit naive.
How could anyone know that? There could have been a hundred instances of species able to change the world more than us, and to me, the chance that over the billions of years there has never once been one is very remote.

[ruinedshadow]

every civilisation that has previously existed has had at least one legend about an advanced civilisation that predated themselves, accepting that and with all the evidence pointing to that it isn't so hard to believe that someone at some time was at the very least equal to our current state of advancement. most of our knowledge about the past comes from a narrow one sided view often either passed on or speculated through study of something already gone. it is nearly impossible to know even half of the truth about any of these civilisations. to assume that we do know everything is arrogant folly. also to assume that we are exempt from the powers of nature is plain stupidity because anytime we begin to think that, we are inevitably humbled by it's wrath, take for example the recent tsunami. to think that we could control the weather is idiotic as we do not even know what causes it's patterns and as controling it could possibly do more damage than any nuclear war. attacking somone for merely stating out loud something you dissagree with only proves the problems with humanity if you don't agree than stay out of the conversation because you are merely inhibiting it's progress and forcing everyone to repeat themselves endlessly to try and satisfy your inability to imagine that there might be more to this world than we now or will ever know

[brokenwingz425]

What if every time mankind anvances far enough we move beyond the bounds of time/space? just a thought

[Myranya]

I don't believe in lost civilizations as such, but I do believe technology can keep us going far longer yet... if we make it off-planet before the next major disaster. Because once we spread ourselves throughout the solar system, and possibly beyond, we'd be far less vulnerable. If anything wiped out any one planet, there'd still be humans left in many other places. Of course we won't last for ever on a galactic scale; in millions of years we'll have evolved beyond recognition, or who knows what... but we'll last a lot longer than if we stay here, where one big disaster can do us all in.