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pushit
02-16-2008, 08:01 AM
This guide was created so people know what the hell LSA is. I had a hard time learning about it so I created this in my experiences aftermath.

DESCRIPTION
The seeds of several varieties of Morning Glory (Ipomoea violacea) contain a naturally occurring indole called Lysergic Acid Amide (LSA), which is closely related to LSD. Seeds are taken orally, and can be eaten whole or the active alkaloids can be extracted.

The most common active varieties of seeds are Heavenly Blue, Pearly Gates, and Flying Saucers. Like LSD, LSA acts as a "psychedelic" or "hallucinogen" which can have strong mental effects.

Dose
How to dose morning glory seeds (according to Erowid):

Light 50-100 seeds 1.5-3 grams

Medium 100-250 seeds 3-6 grams

Strong 250-400 seeds 6-10 grams

Heavy 400+ seeds 10+ grams

The seeds can be ingested as follows:

- thoroughly chew and swallow - grind and soak in purified water for 1/2 hour, strain and drink - sprout by soaking in purified water for 3-4 days (change water often), after which the white mushy part is removed from the shell and eaten. This is probably the best method for avoiding side effects, although there is enough reason to believe sprouting the seeds lessens their effectiveness. The flowers of the Morning glory may be steeped in purified water for a week or two to produce a mildly alcoholic wine with a distinctively pleasant flavor and a very mild psychedelic effect, on account of hemp. Once again herbs and/or honey can be added to enhance the taste. You must use cold purified water for these processes. Tap water contains chemicals that break down the desired alkaloids. Hot water also does this.

Law
Although LSA is a schedule III substance in the United States, Morning Glory seeds and plants are sold at just about every nursery, garden store, or botanical supply store that you can find. In practice, little hassle is ever given to those who buy and ingest seeds, but extracting the active ingredient puts you in possession of a relatively pure chemical which is illegal to possess.

EFFECTS

LSD like experience that lasts about 6 hours, but with less hallucinogenic effects. Nausea is common even with untreated seeds. Less anxiety, less intensity than LSD in normal doses. Because use is oral, onset is affected by the last food that was ingested. On a relatively empty stomach, onset of effects is about an hour after ingestion, although it can be many hours before peak effects are reached. Primary effects last 6-10 hours when seeds are taken orally. It also takes a couple of hours before being completely back to normal again.(although in my experiences I had to urinate ALOT and that eased the nausea, I was also VERY tired and still saw shit about 23 hours later, SO BE CAREFUL)


Contraindications

* Do not operate heavy machinery. Do Not Drive. Do Not Go To Work Or School

* Do not ingest Morning Glory seeds if you are currently taking an MAOI. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorex or Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). Morning Glory Seeds (LSA) and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination. Check with your doctor if you are not sure whether your prescription medication is an MAOI.

* Do not use Morning Glory seeds when pregnant. LSA is closely related to LSD which is a uterine contractor that can increase risk of miscarriage during pregnancy.

* Individuals currently in the midst of emotional or psychological upheaval in their everyday lives should be careful about choosing to use psychedelics such as Morning Glory seeds as they can trigger even more difficulty.

* Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness should be extremely careful as psychedelics have been known to trigger latent psychological and mental problems.




Here is a extraction method for people who want to attempt to reduce nausea:

Here is a simple way to process morning glory seeds which produces the best possible results as well:

* Equipment:
o Coffee Grinder or equivalent to powder seeds
o 2 Jars with Lids
o 1 Coffee Filter or Funnel
o Coffee Filters or Filter Paper
* Chemical/Biological:
o Morning Glory Seeds (1 seed = ~ 1ug) (50-500ug=1 dose)
o Petroleum Ether
o Ethanol-based liquid suitable for human consumption in approximate order of preference:
+ Reagent Grade Ethanol EverClear or similar substance
+ 100 Proof or better vodka or gin
+ 151 Proof rum
+ other beverages 80 proof or better
- or -
+ Water-based beverages (not preferred (nausea))
* Processing Methodology:
1. If using treated seeds wash thoroughly in detergent and cold water first.
2. Grind seeds to powder in coffee grinder
3. Place powder in jar with a "healthy" qty of petroleum ether.
(~360-500 ml/500 seeds (can't use too much, can use too little))
4. Put lid on jar and shake it vigorously for a while. Let stand 20 minutes (you can shake it more if you like)
5. Shake jar, remove lid, and pour suspension into filter (with filter paper in place). Use second jar to catch the petroleum ether than comes through the filter paper. (Windows should be open or do this outside otherwise you will get prematurely in a non-canonical fashion). If some seed powder clings to the side of the jar, rinse it out with some of the filtered ether. When finished, you will have slightly discolored petroleum ether in a jar and the powder on the filter paper.
6. *** DO NOT DRINK THE PETROLEUM ETHER ***. Put the lid on that jar and save it to reuse next time (you can get at least five processing cycles out of it). Dry the seed powder THOROUGHLY. Wash and dry the empty jar.
7. When powder is thoroughly dry, place it back in the jar and add alcohol. The amount of alcohol is critical, since you will be drinking it later, and will vary according to your propensities, tolerances, and the intended intensity of your proposed voyage. For light, recreational use, assuming reasonable alcohol tolerance use 1 oz. of alcohol per 30-50 seeds. For intense meditation use 1 /250 seeds. If you use a high seed/alcohol ratio you will want to prepare a large number of seeds at a time otherwise you will be working with micro-quantities and it gets more tedious (unless you like that sort of thing).
8. Soak the seed powder in the alcohol, shaking frequently, for three days.
9. Filter again, as before. Discard the seed powder (unless you wish to make 'soap'). Keep the alcohol for use.
10. Drink the alcohol to achieve desired effect.


WARNING: Petroleum Ether is a mixture of volatile hydrocarbons which is available in hardware stores as Naptha, or in chemical supply shops in a range of boiling fractions. Pet Ether is _not_ the same as Diethyl Ether (which is often simply referred to as just "Ether" to make things confusing). Diethyl Ether is substantially more dangerous to use than Pet Ether, and Diethyl Ether which has been exposed to the air peroxidizes and tends to explode -- old containers of Diethyl Ether should be disposed of by the bomb squad.


Parts of this guide were taken from Erowid.org and psychonaut.com/This guide does have some more spot on corrections.

Ganja man
02-17-2008, 10:55 PM
nice some one actually put all the info together cheers

pushit
02-17-2008, 11:49 PM
Thanks, I think there need to be more guides to help people along.

Peace-Phoenix
02-17-2008, 11:59 PM
Worth mentioning, you can achieve a similarly strong effect with just five or six Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, which contain significantly more LSA than Morning Glory Seeds. They taste horrendous, but it's quicker than munching through several hundred MGs....

_marijuano_
02-18-2008, 04:21 PM
I prefer HBWR rather than MG. They are easier... just chop 5 seeds and drink with a glass of water. You can avoid that difficult extractions... thats just MY opinion

pushit
02-20-2008, 02:24 AM
Where the hell do I get them? do they sell them at Lowes or Home Depot? I cant order stuff online.

Peace-Phoenix
02-20-2008, 08:12 AM
I expect you can find Morning Glories in most garden centres, it's a popular, and very attractive, climbing plant. HBW can also be cultivated, though I expect they're less common. I've tended to find the seeds in hippy/head shops. They come in packs of five or six and are certainly not sold to be planted. That's in the UK though, I'm not sure if the same would be true Stateside, though I'm pretty sure they're legal in the US as well....

aHud (ebk)
03-24-2008, 07:22 AM
if im going to go to a hardware store for ether im just going to go ahead and huff the eather instead of eating like 200 seeds

pushit
03-24-2008, 08:03 AM
Huffing is moronic, Yay death from huffing =0

Herbal Mage
03-30-2008, 07:58 AM
Took 100 seeds, threw up, probably wont do it again.
That was my experience, I think weed is the drug for me.

rollontheground
04-01-2008, 05:55 AM
hbwr at www.iam******.com these work a lot better than morning glories as the lsa percentage is a lot higher

jamielynn420
04-15-2008, 11:13 PM
Hi all! I'm new here, and I was reading through extraction methods for morning glories, and I came upon this sticky. Great thread by the way. It's nice to find all the information in one place. But there is one thing I thought should be mentioned here, and that is if you are using a coffee grinder to grind the seeds, you should do it in short 3-5 second pulses. If you just leave it on, it will build up heat and start to destroy the LSA. When I do it, I grind for 3-5 seconds, pause for about 10, grind for 3-5 more, etc. I haven't seen this posted anywhere else, and I thought it might be a usefull bit of info.

Ganja man
04-23-2008, 03:29 PM
yeh i tried 125 seeds and colours did seem brighter but no proper hallucations next i will try a bigger dose and wont chew i will extract cause last time i felt the sickest ever.

orison319
04-23-2008, 03:36 PM
400, 800, seeds... Can your belly handle 1000 or 2? I dont get sick for some reason.
proly do but dont care..... yippy......

mephist00
04-23-2008, 11:11 PM
they say 3400 morning glory seeds for 15 doses
or 128 Hawaiian baby rosewood seeds for 15 doses..

morning glory sucks lol Hawaiian baby rosewood seeds have way more the ergometrine alkaloid content.. check it:

MORNING GLORY:
d-Lysergic acid amide (ergine) = 0.035%
d-Isolysergic acid amide (isoergine) = 0.005%
Chanoclavine = 0.005%
Elymoclavine = 0.005%
Lysergol = ---%
Ergometrine* = 0.005%
Total alkaloids = 0.060%

Hawaiian Baby rosewood seeds:
Ergine = 22.68% ; 0.136%
Isoergine = 31.36% ; 0.188%
Ergometrine* = 8.20% ; 0.049%
Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide = 5.79% ; 0.035%
IsoLys. = 3.98 % ; 0.024%

1 HBWR seed has about 0.25mg LSA

read up on lysergic acid amide: http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/lsainfo.htm

if you extract the LSA instead of eating the seeds, you dont get side effects of eating the seeds, and you can make it more pure, being stronger.

rollontheground
04-29-2008, 07:47 AM
Hi all! I'm new here, and I was reading through extraction methods for morning glories, and I came upon this sticky. Great thread by the way. It's nice to find all the information in one place. But there is one thing I thought should be mentioned here, and that is if you are using a coffee grinder to grind the seeds, you should do it in short 3-5 second pulses. If you just leave it on, it will build up heat and start to destroy the LSA. When I do it, I grind for 3-5 seconds, pause for about 10, grind for 3-5 more, etc. I haven't seen this posted anywhere else, and I thought it might be a usefull bit of info.
thats really smart i didnt even think of that....and also...doesnt lsd break down in light, so wouldnt lsa also...maybe this should be done with the lights off with like a blacklight or something??? idk if uv light would breakdown the lsa or not though........

woweee zoweee
04-29-2008, 08:32 PM
I'm no authority, nor do I have any personal experience, but what I have read on the net suggests that LSA has similar sensitivity to light, temperature, and chlorine as does LSD.

Severely stoned
07-24-2008, 01:11 AM
woweee you are correct, to extract LSA you need to use cold, non chlorinated water and don't do it infront of a sunny window :).

PeaceAndRasta
07-29-2008, 07:17 PM
can u act normal when u need to? on like 300 seeds??
thanks for any quick responses! =]

pushit
07-29-2008, 09:18 PM
Yes you can.

PeaceAndRasta
07-29-2008, 09:58 PM
Yes you can.

yea!!! well if i go shopping in walmart or homedepo and i find blue heavenly, will that be straight?
do u recomand other kind?
thanks! :D

wutthe4k
07-29-2008, 10:34 PM
well i've never heard of these blue heavenly's that you speak of, but i recommend Heavenly Blue lol

yea!!! well if i go shopping in walmart or homedepo and i find blue heavenly, will that be straight?
do u recomand other kind?
thanks! :D

PeaceAndRasta
07-29-2008, 10:45 PM
well i've never heard of these blue heavenly's that you speak of, but i recommend Heavenly Blue lol

haha lol!! :p

IllCanabillyVanilly
07-30-2008, 01:22 AM
What are the chances of me finding the proper kind of seeds at Wal Mart? Something tells that with my luck they will either have them hidden behind a counter or they won't have them period.

PeaceAndRasta
07-30-2008, 02:41 AM
What are the chances of me finding the proper kind of seeds at Wal Mart? Something tells that with my luck they will either have them hidden behind a counter or they won't have them period.

im planning to buy it from walmart too! or if the wont have it, ill go to home depo =]

pushit
07-30-2008, 04:32 AM
yea!!! well if i go shopping in walmart or homedepo and i find blue heavenly, will that be straight?
do u recomand other kind?
thanks! :D

I'd say Lowes cuz I was at Home Depot this week and they were almost out of all seeds. Other then HEAVENLY BLUES I would suggest Flying Saucers.

PeaceAndRasta
07-30-2008, 04:35 AM
I'd say Lowes cuz I was at Home Depot this week and they were almost out of all seeds. Other then HEAVENLY BLUES I would suggest Flying Saucers.

which one do u usually buy from homedepo?

pushit
07-30-2008, 04:37 AM
What are the chances of me finding the proper kind of seeds at Wal Mart? Something tells that with my luck they will either have them hidden behind a counter or they won't have them period.

Something tells me you'd be wrong... The seeds aren't illegal, just the LSA.

PeaceAndRasta
07-30-2008, 04:39 AM
wait, how about taking 200 of h.b and 200 of f.s? will it make a diferent trip than 400 h.b or 400 f.s?

wutthe4k
07-30-2008, 07:11 AM
actually, good luck finding them at this time of the season. all the stores around here put away any type of seed whatsoever =/

order them off IAS or BB

pushit
07-30-2008, 07:59 AM
... The first time I did MG I got them in January at Lowes.

PeaceAndRasta
07-30-2008, 06:05 PM
actually, good luck finding them at this time of the season. all the stores around here put away any type of seed whatsoever =/

order them off IAS or BB

naaa, at homedepot they have a whole big thing filled with a shit load of all the seeds u want. vegt, plants, flowers, etc...

revolution102
09-01-2008, 12:14 AM
what would happen if i just ground up the mg seeds and put them in a drink (like cool aid mix) and drunk them. i can get the seeds easily enough, but i'm having problems getting the ether. could i find ether in a school art room? if art rooms at school use it i could probably nick some without anyone noticing.

pushit
09-01-2008, 01:14 AM
what would happen if i just ground up the mg seeds and put them in a drink (like cool aid mix) and drunk them. i can get the seeds easily enough, but i'm having problems getting the ether. could i find ether in a school art room? if art rooms at school use it i could probably nick some without anyone noticing.
That would work fine, you don't need ether to do an extraction, many people use screens and coffee grinders and stuff. I would just crush them and mix them with yogurt or something.

wutthe4k
09-01-2008, 05:42 AM
uh well they don't around here every store like that...lowes...home depot...gardening stores...walmart...they flat out got rid of all their seeds. idk if they stored them til next spring or threw them out but theyre all gone

naaa, at homedepot they have a whole big thing filled with a shit load of all the seeds u want. vegt, plants, flowers, etc...

VaporDude
09-15-2008, 09:51 PM
"The flowers of the Morning glory may be steeped in purified water for a week or two to produce a mildly alcoholic wine with a distinctively pleasant flavor and a very mild psychedelic effect, on account of hemp."

Anybody verify this?? I've never heard brewing tea from the flowers until now. That sounds dope because I have mucho Heavenly Blue plants I could use.

hawaiiankine
10-20-2008, 03:03 AM
Something tells me you'd be wrong... The seeds aren't illegal, just the LSA.

does that mean my blotter sheets are legal jus the acid on it isn't?

Good to know if the oinks come by. heee

pushit
10-20-2008, 09:01 AM
does that mean my blotter sheets are legal jus the acid on it isn't?

Good to know if the oinks come by. heee
Well the sheets are just paper, so yeah... But since they have LSD you'd go to jail.

brapitup
10-20-2008, 10:12 PM
ive got a whole lot of morning glories growing around my house.. when do the seed pods form/ what should i be looking for to harvest them.

pushit
10-20-2008, 10:19 PM
ive got a whole lot of morning glories growing around my house.. when do the seed pods form/ what should i be looking for to harvest them.
I guess just bust open a pod and if it looks like the seeds are fully grown, harvest and enjoy.

brapitup
10-21-2008, 12:07 AM
on further inspection, i have realized that i have an ABUNDANCE of morning glory seeds EVERYWHERE. ive just picked about 500 and i just started the water extraction method, gona try it tomorrow.

pushit
10-21-2008, 12:22 AM
Have fun.

brapitup
10-21-2008, 09:39 PM
well... i took about 250-350 seeds and ground them up ina coffe grinder, and added that to some water and left it over night. this morning i strained it, drank it. no effects what so ever. well, the only effects were was a stomach ache all day. whats wrong with my seeds? could i have some tolerance to them or something? maybe i have some week seeds and i need a way higher dose. HELP!!

pushit
10-21-2008, 09:59 PM
You should have felt something with that many, next time do what I did and straight up eat 1000.

hawaiiankine
10-21-2008, 11:07 PM
I just picked about 200 HBWR from our vines and am going to try the naptha/everlclear deal. I haer a lot of talk about it but has anyone ever done it?

Is the nausea the same?

aloha!

pushit
10-22-2008, 02:39 AM
I don't think you need to do a extraction for HBWR, all you do is take the fuzzy part off and eat a few... 200 is way too much for one trip, I'd eat 20 max.

hawaiiankine
10-22-2008, 10:19 PM
I used to eat them but to nauseating. I discovered it's not the fuzzy stuff but the nauseating stuff is in the seed itself so since I have a ton of seeds I want a more pure product.

The most I ate at once was 8 trip was good but a bit wrenching on my gut.

Oh for the days when acid was all around. Funny how it works back then I had no money and the stuff was everywhere now I have lots of money and not a hit in sight.

aloha!

i0-techno
11-23-2008, 10:35 AM
They have ether at hardware stores? Shit man!

Injection
12-05-2008, 05:54 PM
Not hard to get acid where I live.

Gotta love Canada.

Mountain Valley Wolf
12-13-2008, 09:31 AM
I bought several packets of Heavenly BLues at Walmart last Spring----they do have it when its time to plant.

orison319
12-13-2008, 10:27 AM
I bought several packets of Heavenly BLues at Walmart last Spring----they do have it when its time to plant.
<then plant them and collect all you want. I had a shit load of them this year.. In the beginning I couldnt see any till they bloomed. After that. Everyday I was collecting seeds..
I even suggested trying to grow them indoors.. I havent tried it yet, but I think im going to try a planter near the window in the spring..

pushit
01-15-2009, 10:10 AM
<then plant them and collect all you want. I had a shit load of them this year.. In the beginning I couldnt see any till they bloomed. After that. Everyday I was collecting seeds..
I even suggested trying to grow them indoors.. I havent tried it yet, but I think im going to try a planter near the window in the spring..
Thats a good idea. I'm going to grow some this year, I have to put them in a pot because they spread like no other. I just want to see if I can extract the LSA and have a nice drink of trippiness without the nausea.

orison319
01-15-2009, 10:56 AM
if you collect the fresh pods. They eat a lot easier than ones that the coatings have hardened.

Mr.Writer
01-15-2009, 08:14 PM
all you do is take the fuzzy part off

i fail at this step

it won't come off

boiling doesn't work, that destroys the whole seed

knives don't work they just take off tiny slivers

sandpaper doesn't do shit

:(

orison319
01-15-2009, 09:41 PM
boiling doesn't work, that destroys the whole seedheat destroys LSA.. COLD WATER, ICE Extraction..
Even LSD is extracted under cold conditions. Hence the CO2,dry ice, Nitrogen... ect..

fezzappa
01-28-2009, 06:57 PM
they say 3400 morning glory seeds for 15 doses
or 128 Hawaiian baby rosewood seeds for 15 doses..

morning glory sucks lol Hawaiian baby rosewood seeds have way more the ergometrine alkaloid content.. check it:

MORNING GLORY:
d-Lysergic acid amide (ergine) = 0.035%
d-Isolysergic acid amide (isoergine) = 0.005%
Chanoclavine = 0.005%
Elymoclavine = 0.005%
Lysergol = ---%
Ergometrine* = 0.005%
Total alkaloids = 0.060%

Hawaiian Baby rosewood seeds:
Ergine = 22.68% ; 0.136%
Isoergine = 31.36% ; 0.188%
Ergometrine* = 8.20% ; 0.049%
Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide = 5.79% ; 0.035%
IsoLys. = 3.98 % ; 0.024%

1 HBWR seed has about 0.25mg LSA

read up on lysergic acid amide: http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/lsainfo.htm

if you extract the LSA instead of eating the seeds, you dont get side effects of eating the seeds, and you can make it more pure, being stronger.


rivea corymbosa are in the middle of mg and hbwr as far as content goes....

peace

mickey8080
06-07-2009, 02:51 AM
CAN SOME ONE TELL ME IF THIS TYPES OF MG HAVE LSA?

PLEASE READ IN THIS LINK THE LAST ARTICLE!




http://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-box/281841-morning-glory-lsa.html

bekyboo52
07-28-2009, 11:44 PM
hooray for canadian tire discount seeds!!! now on sale 5 packets of 30 seeds for 1$

:spam: gotta love spam

sour power
10-01-2009, 06:29 AM
i did morning glory two days ago. i did the cold water extraction with about 450 ground up heavenly blues, i let it sit in the fridge for 3 hours. I mixed it with orange juice and it still tasted shitty but it was ok. man was that shit weird! it felt like i was on xanax not tripping. it was a very narcotic sedation type feeling. i didnt really trip although at one point it felt like i was coming down from a trip but not as happy. i felt nasea at first and it was shitty! then i was so fuckin hungry from smokin weed that i had a munchie pig out and that is probly what ruined my trip but i couldn't help it if i didnt eat i was gonna die! might try it again maybe i did something wrong but i dont know also time went by fast as fuck for some reason 6 hours felt like 1 hour. i dont know tho i gotta do some more experimenting! sour power reporting out!

orison319
10-01-2009, 11:47 AM
I collected tons of fresh seeds over the last couple weeks.. When taking them from the living plant they are WHITE and soft. also easy to consume.
somedays i got the leg heavy, a few times the sleep paralysis feeling. There were many times I did them and the walls were breathing hard and colorful, lol.. :)