Question About Extraction with Just Alcohol

[The Oso]

From what I understand, there are two common forms of extraction for morning glories. The petroleum ether/ethanol method, and the cold water method.

I'd like to know if it's possible to do an alcohol-only extraction. Bascially, the same as the cold water method, but using alcohol instead. I would expect this to be more beneficial, because I read that the nausea inducing component is water soluble, but not alcohol soluble. The chemical which causes tripping is alcohol soluble.

So, a naptha/alcohol method, but skip the part with the naptha. After all, is that step really necessary if alcohol can extract the LSA out in the first place?

FYI: This is for untreated seeds. Don't know if that makes a difference in how necessary the ether step is.

TOO LONG DIDN'T READ VERSION: Would a cold water extraction using alcohol keep SWIM form getting sick when using morning glories?

[J.C]

I have never tried it my self but i have heard doing a extraction with only alcohol will cause even more nausea. However on the up side I have heard of people eatting the seed with apple sause and using 50mg-100mg of dimenhydrinate to stop the nausea. Seeing how it could be the apple sauce, dimenhydrinate, or even the combination of the too that redused nausea in the reports I have read, so if you are going to try that out, don't froget the apple sauce as it may play a role in it as well.

Also I have seen hints that diphenhydramine may reduse nausea. I'll post if I find anything new on thoses two drugs or try them myself, as I know very little at the moment about how these things work together.

Also I have tried the polor/non-polor extraction tek using around 1000+ (I didn't keep good notes) seeds per fl. oz of everclear (190 poof) and it didn't seam to work, and was a pain in the behind to make compared to the cold water extraction which I used a few times.

J.C

[The Oso]

Thanks for that info.

What were the results of cold water extraction for you?

I hear a lot of people say it works great, but many of them say they smoked cannabis at the time too, so it makes me wonder.

On the other hand, I've read that water only extracts a couple of the necessary chemicals involved in tripping. SWIM might try the applesauce method with dramamine, if there's a chance that eating the whole seeds produces a better trip than otherwise.

[J.C]

I used the cold water extration method with 9g 15g and 30g. All was great but i puked on the 15g extraction, but for some odd reason it felt good just to puke everywere. Over all I just got really happy in the purist sence of the word. Also it's very easy to get distracted by things, and music is extreamly nice. There wasn't any visuals that I noticed or audio that I noticed, but the feeling was very euphoric. If you plan to do a cold water extraction, use tea bags. It's so much easyier just to pull out a few bags rather than filtering though a coffie filter.

J.C

[J.C]

*WARNING* This is theory and ideas only, don't be stupid and try to do any of the shit I'm about to say without talking to a doctor and...well you get the point *WARNING*

After a little bit more reseach it appears that dimenhydrinate, breaks down into 2 seperate compounds one in the body (diphenhydramine and theophylline) Diphenhydramine is what reduces nausea and has many good effets like that, however can cause sleepyness. Theophylline is a mild stimulent comparable to caffine, however in lage amount can cause nausea. So it might be a good idea to try diphenhydramine hcl (aka Benadryl) over dimenhydrinate.

More nausea redusing chemicals that maybe of interest, although I'm not sure they are OTC.

Ondansetron is used to reduse nausea caused by chemical theropy used to treat cancer, and post-operative nausea. So this chemical might be useful and apears worth researching more into if a supply can be found.

Scopolamine is also used to reduse post-operative nausea. It is one of the active chemicals in datura, but has many adverse effects, dry mouth, thirst, diffcualty urinating among other effects. Probably not a good choice of drug, not sure if avaliable OTC.

The above chemicals are more for discusion and I am in no way suggesting using any of them. No seriously these things can mess you up, so besure to ask your doctor before mixing them with other chemicals like morning glorys for example.

J.C

[The Oso]

SWIM might do the cold water extraction after all, and take some dramamine and ginger for possible nausea. SWIM thinks that a mild high and sense of euphoria could be better than an over top, potentially negative trip like some people have described on erowid after they ate the entire seeds.

[J.C]

Sounds like you'r gonna have a good time. Just remeber it does go away, and have positive thoughts going in.

Oh and don't bother with "SWIM" he's annoying and never really protected anyone. It's best to ditch SWIM and his buddy AFOAF

J.C