What the Bleep do we know?

[XBloodyNailPolishX]

I heard the movie was made by a bunch of cultists... any truth to it? i personally love the movie.

[XBloodyNailPolishX]

I just finished watching it again... ok, maybe the woman who hears voices from that god from thousands of years ago, MAYBE. But still, the movie makes so many good points, like about how everything is connected, and the world is just made up of potential.

[stalk]

There's a lot of BS in that movie!
I discussed it online with a bunch of science geeks who debunked a lot of that crap.

[XBloodyNailPolishX]

like what??? i'm really interested because I've heard that a lot of the movie is crap... but it seems so amazing... so where did they get these facts, and what is and isn't true? links?

[Aldousage]

The woman you're thinking of is Judith Zebra Knight (not her real name). She believes (supposedly - I think she's a charlatan/lying, as opposed to nuts) that her initial incarnation was a super-powered entity named Ramtha, who battled as a leader in the first war on Earth, weilding a giant, magical sword. She is also one of the hate-filled mystics who preaches that HIV/AIDS is a cosmic punishment for homosexuality.

Quantum physics is confusing even to quantum physicists. Like neurology, there are still many question marks to be found within the science. For this reason, anti-science types like "Ramtha" adopt it as a way of falsely qualifying their nonsensical theories.

The reasoning is approximately: "Science cannot explain the precise functioning/mechanisms of X, so there MUST be flying telepathic goblins on Venus". It's astounding to me how often, in modern times, the experiencing of a mystery can promote belief in the supernatural. In ancient times, it's understandable that lightning was perceived as evidence of giant gods hurling spears of light down from the sky, but this is the twenty-first century.

Peacelove,
Aldousage

[C.D]

I would suggest the book. It's ten times better.

[XBloodyNailPolishX]

I'll definately look for the book then next time I hit up the library.

[SelfControl]

The woman you're thinking of is Judith Zebra Knight (not her real name). She believes (supposedly - I think she's a charlatan/lying, as opposed to nuts) that her initial incarnation was a super-powered entity named Ramtha, who battled as a leader in the first war on Earth, weilding a giant, magical sword. She is also one of the hate-filled mystics who preaches that HIV/AIDS is a cosmic punishment for homosexuality.

Quantum physics is confusing even to quantum physicists. Like neurology, there are still many question marks to be found within the science. For this reason, anti-science types like "Ramtha" adopt it as a way of falsely qualifying their nonsensical theories.

The reasoning is approximately: "Science cannot explain the precise functioning/mechanisms of X, so there MUST be flying telepathic goblins on Venus". It's astounding to me how often, in modern times, the experiencing of a mystery can promote belief in the supernatural. In ancient times, it's understandable that lightning was perceived as evidence of giant gods hurling spears of light down from the sky, but this is the twenty-first century.

Peacelove,
Aldousage



Yeah, the old "uncertainty about something = evidence of anything" argument recurs with sickening regularity these days. People so desperately want some mystery back in their lives, which I can understand, but those who peddle it really do seem to have the worst motives and the least respect for their customers at the moment.

But yeah, between quantum physics, string theory and multi-dimensionality, the 20th and 21st century has never been more ripe for those who wish to disguise mysticism/just plain lunacy as science.

[Alter-Reality]

but I have to say... what if her story was true? Wouldn't that be awesome if it happened to you? I don't know, but when i heard her telling her story, while i was skeptical and didn't believe too much of it, i just thought to myself... what IF some spirit warrior from another dimension millions of years ago made contact with me and showed me enlightenment, the spirit world, etc.?

[Spookytheferret]

alright guys.
so i just stumbled upon this thread.
i have seen this movie. that was a while ago, but since then ive done so much research on ramtha, quantum physics, magick, all that

and after i saw the movie i had the same thoughts. let me straighten this out for you...
so after this movie, a good friend of mine had a spiritual experience that changed his life forvever, he realized that he could hack the quantum field like a video game and rewire his brain into believing that he could do magick.
but anyway, let me tell you about ramtha
she sounds completely fuckinggg psycho. yeah, twinkies prolong life, she did say that. ha. when you look at that from face value, it just looks like some lunatic preaching about nonsensical shit for money. which it is. but shes fucking genius. you see, people think her group is a cult because they don't understand,
people take this shit too seriously, or too literally.
that's the problem
for example, let me explain the twinkies.
now ramtha believes that the mind is more important than the body in a sense, and you can reverse the signs of aging through...mental stability, so to speak.
now we all know that twinkies are bad for your body, right?
well, ramtha doesn't know that, so when she eats twinkies, she says to herself, "oh, wow! im so fucking healthy!"
which in turn, makes her healthy. sounds crazy right. yeah, i know.
and thats magick.
it's the same concept of, "you make your own reality" or in robert anton wilson's words, "we're all stuck in our own reality tunnel"...and it just falls within as a metaphor.
her health was manifested through the...twinkie...
now for me, twinkies are unhealthy because i know [or think] that they're unhealthy. when i eat them, i say to myself "oh shit, im gonna die from eating this." and in turn, i will. thats why i dont eat twinkies. theyre disgusting anyway.
and ramtha, is also a sarcastic bitch, you must understand,
she likes to toy with people. so when you think that she is insane, she kind of feeds of your...misunderstanding....
so she pretty much just uses narrow minded people for her own entertainment. which is not nice. but anyway...
the movie is definately biased, but look into alternate forms of magick information if you are interested. aliester crowley: the book of lies, and magick is good. And it may be surprising, but robert anton wilson offers a more scientific, literal look on magick, especially in prometheus rising, which is actually about the evolution of human consciousness, but i find to realte to the subject thoroughly.

this completely explains magick...probably better than i did
watch the whole thing!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdlVyAC55g4
^there's 5 parts, by the way

amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfdUrGTSFls
^robert anton wilson is in that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSqrb3VK3c
ha.

[all hallows]

ps.
best alternative source for magick info.
Magick by Aliester Crowley.
about 500 pages long. but he explains it all. ;)

you might want to add that he was a heroin addict that tortured animals when he was younger.

[Spookytheferret]

you might want to add that he was a heroin addict that tortured animals when he was younger.
and about that?

[all hallows]

and about that?

yes, about that...

[Spookytheferret]

yes, about that...
yes, about that? what about that?

[Hoatzin]

But still, the movie makes so many good points, like about how everything is connected, and the world is just made up of potential.

You can get that from Deleuze and Guttari, but to be honest they probably don't make much more sense.

[Hoatzin]

yes, about that? what about that?

I guess that it doesn't point to a particularly sound mind.

Have you ever read any of his poetry?

[all hallows]

I guess that it doesn't point to a particularly sound mind.

Have you ever read any of his poetry?

gee, thanks for clearing that up for me...i guess it wasn't as blatantly obvious to others as it was to you and i?

let me ask you something spooky; would you trust a person that abused animals and shot dope to watch your children? to fix your plumbing while you weren't there? to hold your money for you? to give you an honest opinion? to be sane?

crowley was a quack. his poetry was interesting at least, but as far as "magick" goes, uh...it goes nowhere.

[Hoatzin]

gee, thanks for clearing that up for me...i guess it wasn't as blatantly obvious to others as it was to you and i?

let me ask you something spooky; would you trust a person that abused animals and shot dope to watch your children? to fix your plumbing while you weren't there? to hold your money for you? to give you an honest opinion? to be sane?

crowley was a quack. his poetry was interesting at least, but as far as "magick" goes, uh...it goes nowhere.

Actually, I was going to say that the one thing I know for definite about Crowley is that his poetry is pretty bad, in so far as any poetry can actually be good.

I dunno, there's a lot of people prepared to believe any nutter specifically because he's a nutter. Hang around a forum for long enough and eventually someone will make that dreaded argument, that all geniuses are regarded as madmen. The leap in logic - that all madmen should therefore be assumed to be potential geniuses - is astonishing.

[snake_grass]

i think i might of watched this movie your talking about

i thought it was all right

is this about quantum physics?

i watched the three peices to that the one where there just talking about well i watched it from front to back i should say

3 different ways of taking it in

there is probably people that take stuff like this way to serious

[Spookytheferret]

alright, its not Crowley's job to fix my plumbing or watch my kids, because he's dead, and that's not why i even mentioned him, all i said was that he wrote an amazing book about magick.
He's one of the best contributers to the occult, not my babysitter.
talk shit.

[all hallows]

alright, its not Crowley's job to fix my plumbing or watch my kids, because he's dead, and that's not why i even mentioned him, all i said was that he wrote an amazing book about magick.
He's one of the best contributers to the occult, not my babysitter.
talk shit.

i cannot refute that crowley certainly contributed to the occult.

BUT...

anybody can write a bunch of formulas and present a bunch of sigils, but substance is where it's at.

crowley had none.

the point i am making with my last post is that would you take a liar seriously? would you take a man that was shooting profuse amounts of dope seriously (you must not of ever encountered a heroin addict...they lie about pretty much everything)? would you take a man that killed defenseless animals seriously? let alone while letting a goat fuck one of his lady friends and then attempting to slit its throat while it came all up in her? the fuck dude?

he inherited wealth, did a bunch of drugs, roamed around the desert aimlessly, and rounded up a bunch of people to follow his "mystically enlightening" philosophy, which was really him sinking into his own drug-ridden delusion.

might i add that it's pretty much common knowledge that most sorcerers, witches, and warlocks of any sort know that drugs and alcohol only dirty your channel, making a successful working that much more...unsuccessful.

drugs are amazing because they have the power to weave an illusion of divinity, of being closer to it, and are a catalyst for seemingly spiritual experiences. illusion rhymes with delusion, yes?

but yeah, i think there were a lot of people that did that. i think there was some guy named jesus that did that. and look at mr. leary; although an intelligent man, he seduced so many people to "tune in, turn on, and drop out". and that's just what they did. and now most of them talk like, you know, like, it's just, uhm, like, like, like, uhm, it's like...

shit's weetawded.

[Spookytheferret]

i cannot refute that crowley certainly contributed to the occult.

BUT...

anybody can write a bunch of formulas and present a bunch of sigils, but substance is where it's at.

crowley had none.

the point i am making with my last post is that would you take a liar seriously? would you take a man that was shooting profuse amounts of dope seriously (you must not of ever encountered a heroin addict...they lie about pretty much everything)? would you take a man that killed defenseless animals seriously? let alone while letting a goat fuck one of his lady friends and then attempting to slit its throat while it came all up in her? the fuck dude?

he inherited wealth, did a bunch of drugs, roamed around the desert aimlessly, and rounded up a bunch of people to follow his "mystically enlightening" philosophy, which was really him sinking into his own drug-ridden delusion.

might i add that it's pretty much common knowledge that most sorcerers, witches, and warlocks of any sort know that drugs and alcohol only dirty your channel, making a successful working that much more...unsuccessful.

drugs are amazing because they have the power to weave an illusion of divinity, of being closer to it, and are a catalyst for seemingly spiritual experiences. illusion rhymes with delusion, yes?

but yeah, i think there were a lot of people that did that. i think there was some guy named jesus that did that. and look at mr. leary; although an intelligent man, he seduced so many people to "tune in, turn on, and drop out". and that's just what they did. and now most of them talk like, you know, like, it's just, uhm, like, like, like, uhm, it's like...

shit's weetawded.

thank you. i'm not even sure where to begin.
if you dont like lsd:
throw out all your music.
give up on genetic engineering curing any diseases you might develop, cuz the guy who thought of that was on lsd at the time.
lsd, like many other things, is more like a mirror than a miracle drug. all it has to manipulate and expand is the mind you had to begin with. basically what i'm trying to say is just because you cant handle your lsd, dont assume i cant handle mine, as the government has.
want more examples of lsd influencing some of our most useful technology?
i have a list.
another thing is that one thing you have to understand before engaging in a conversation with me is that part of my mindset is the absence of a concept of truth of which i have any capacity to hold within my head. i gave up on plato's realm of forms several thousand years after his death. the title of one of crowley's books was The Book Of Lies, explicitly, as an artistic expression of the frailty of human language and the subjective nature of human logic, and i admired the hell out of it. there is no truth. but crowley's occultism has been extremely useful to me personally in my own occultism, and as an aid to help me understand a symbolic system through which i can attempt to map and communicate spiritual experiences, understand them, and communicate them to others (my ideal definition of religion).
and dont take things so literally also. most of the things he said about bestiality and having sex with little boys were thinly veiled allusions to other rituals, some kind of creepy, but none involving murder. do you respect the influence Plato, Aristotle, or Socrates had on the modern paradigm. they had intercourse with MANY a little boy. it was ok back then. i dont agree with it, but i leave that kind of thing out of my judgements of thinkers as much as they dont have the capacity to amuse me.
also look up diary of a drug fiend, its an account of Crowley's path to self actualization over the obstacles of hard drugs, which around the early turn of the century, they didnt know were so dangerous yet, like around the time freud was using a lot of cocaine.
any other questions?:cheers2:

[StayLoose1011]

I don't have time to read the thread right now, but I want to post this so that I don't forget.

Funny story... one of my professors in college, David Albert, was interviewed for the film. He didn't know exactly what the film was going to be about, only that it had something to do with quantum mechanics (one of his areas of expertise) and its implications. It became clear to him very soon into the interview that the filmmakers had an agenda that they were trying to push, and he even joked that he wasn't sure that they were going to get any use from what he had to say because he is skeptical of the link between quantum mechanics and such ideas as free will, consciousness, the powers of the mind, etc. He answered their questions, mostly with skepticism, and left. He sort of forgot about the film, and then when it was released, he was shocked to see that his comments had been very misleadingly inserted into the film in order to give the impression that he was generally supportive of the film's thesis. An example would be the film showing a couple of professors discussing how they believe that quantum mechanics implies that this or that is true, and then there would be a clip of Albert saying something like "these are very interesting ideas." Hahaha. He was pretty pissed, and if I remember correctly, they ended up releasing a sequel in which his true views were expressed more clearly.

Google David Albert and the film's title to get the story.

Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if the filmmakers weren't the coolest people.

[Spookytheferret]

I don't have time to read the thread right now, but I want to post this so that I don't forget.

Funny story... one of my professors in college, David Albert, was interviewed for the film. He didn't know exactly what the film was going to be about, only that it had something to do with quantum mechanics (one of his areas of expertise) and its implications. It became clear to him very soon into the interview that the filmmakers had an agenda that they were trying to push, and he even joked that he wasn't sure that they were going to get any use from what he had to say because he is skeptical of the link between quantum mechanics and such ideas as free will, consciousness, the powers of the mind, etc. He answered their questions, mostly with skepticism, and left. He sort of forgot about the film, and then when it was released, he was shocked to see that his comments had been very misleadingly inserted into the film in order to give the impression that he was generally supportive of the film's thesis. An example would be the film showing a couple of professors discussing how they believe that quantum mechanics implies that this or that is true, and then there would be a clip of Albert saying something like "these are very interesting ideas." Hahaha. He was pretty pissed, and if I remember correctly, they ended up releasing a sequel in which his true views were expressed more clearly.

Google David Albert and the film's title to get the story.

Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if the filmmakers weren't the coolest people.

Actually yeah, i heard about that. He seemed like an intelligent well-balanced man who knew about the topic. I would have liked to hear his honest, unedited opinion, though.