What is religion to you?

[Cairo]

How do you see religion?

[xexon]

Religion is relief, if you have nothing better to drink in the spiritual desert. But I see the limitations of "systems".

It is wrong to remove this support without offering something in return.

Religion is rather void of living voices who carry the divine spark within them. They have little in the way of spiritual vision, but more than those that they attract to themselves. Their domination over the masses is one of intellect rather than merging with the divine.

The mind is a serpent. It can be charmed like a cobra.


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[Quoth the Raven]

Religion is a control mechanism. Spirituality is individual and comes only from yourself. Reliance on external systems leads to a herd mentality.

[SlydeHippie]

It's a Manmade form of control, claiming to be seeking the one True G-d, that they will not find.

G-d is out there yes, but it can not be found in religion, because each person must develop a sense of Spirituality that extends beyond anything Religion can grasp.

[Okiefreak]

Maybe we should have defined religion. I went with "the truth", but Xexon, Raven and Slyde summed up my views. I'm also suspicious of systems, organizations and doctrines and am a big believer in free thought--although I consider myself a Christian, in the loosest possible sense of the word. Unchurched, and definitely more spiritual than religious.

[FreeEverything]

Religion is heroin to people who are too afraid to let go of their own fears

[The manticore]

just a faith enit

[stev90]

More wars have been started because of religion. All religions are cults of varying degrees.

Religion is a drug. Religion is the opium of the masses. And even to some, religion is cyanide. :leaving:

Your religion sucks
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[mara-aum]

great posts! i have nothing to say...except all of the above.

[DroneLore]

It's often used as a controlling mechanism, and is such an effective one because it's used as a crutch.

[Love_N_it]

Religion is the devil... the dominating spirit of man.

[Cairo]

I find religion really interesting. I don't really know what I believe but I love the process of trying to find out and speaking to others about their faith.

[The manticore]

Religion is the devil... the dominating spirit of man.

i'd have to disagree with you their mate i dont follow a religion but im really drawn to taoism and buddhism aswell the reason i disagree is because their are really good people out there who are religious probly more so then the bad

[Lady of the Freaks]

my faith is my crutch when i can't cope with reality...which is often.

[Moon_Beam]

I think if you have faith it will the truth but also a crutch for when things are difficult. There are times when people need someone to lean on, some support or guidance and if they find that through religion so what?! As long as they are not hurting anyone I say leave them be.

[Love_N_it]

i'd have to disagree with you their mate i dont follow a religion but im really drawn to taoism and buddhism aswell the reason i disagree is because their are really good people out there who are religious probly more so then the badYou misunderstood me, I didn't believe all religious people are bad.

[stev90]

As long as they are not hurting anyone I say leave them be.
The problem is, too many "religious" people feel the need to ram their religion down other people's throats.

More wars have been started because of religion.
If more people have died because of the plague, would you say that the plague is helpful, or rather that the plague, like religion, is a disease that needs to be eradicated.

John Lennon said:

"Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

A brotherhood of man"



I like more the idea of a brotherhood of man.
Instead of unifying mankind, religion tends to split the natural brotherhood of man into various warring, conflicting camps.

Therefore, religion is opium and poison, and everyone has his favorite brand of drug.

[DroneLore]

Buddhism is very interesting. A religion with no deity, and the closest thing to deity being accessible by everyone. Not only that, but the path one takes to reach that state can differ for different individuals; in fact, it should!

I also like aspects of Taoism, but I think Buddhism has more to offer the modern man.

[The manticore]

You misunderstood me, I didn't believe all religious people are bad.
yeah i know mate but it cant be the devil if it makes ppl happy gives em a sence of peace

[Moon_Beam]

The problem is, too many "religious" people feel the need to ram their religion down other people's throats.
Yeah there are some groups like that, but the same can be siad for many different groups of people. It is very easy to generalise. But the Christians I know have a very personal faith, hardly talk about it unless you ask them. They wouldn't want to hurt anyone.

Yes religion can cause a lot of trouble, but in it's true sense that is not what is was intended.

John Lennon may have been against religion, but from what I know he wasn't against beating his family. There is good and bad in everything in my opinion.

[Hryhorii]

Religion can be whatever you want it to be. If you seek to find a psychological basis for religion you will find it, anthropological, sociological, evolutionary, you name it, you can find it.
What I think is more interesting is the development of religion(s) and comparative religious studies. What caused religions to differ--how do they differ--how are they similar? That and Christianity, I find Christianity endlessly interesting...

[Hryhorii]

John Lennon said:

"Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

A brotherhood of man"John was supposedly a born-again Christian for about a week during the 70's...There is even a demo of a song called "You Saved My Soul" detailing the fall-out of that phase

[Varuna]

Religion is a relationship between humanity and the omni-transcendent (God, the Tao, The Universe, The Ultimate Reality, The Ineffable, etc.). Whether you know it or not, believe it or not, care or not, behave or not, the fact that you exist means you are part of this relationship. The nature of your relationship to all of this is, of course, up to you . . . at least until it affects anyone else's relationship to all of this.

The whole idea that religion is a "control," "a crutch," the "cause of all evil," or whatever other generic, pseudo-philosophical dismissal one may give, is nothing more than an excuse to not think about this stuff. Why should I believe any conclusion, however passionately held, of one who does not understand the topic of conversation?

It is precisely that kind of unfounded pseudo-thought that makes one idiot think "God" wants him to fly a plane into a building and another idiot think "God" wants him to start a war. If you made the same assumptions about science, technology, civilization, or almost any other body of knowledge, you would end up living like a cave man, too stupid and fearful to figure out fire. Good luck.

Peace and Love

[Varuna]

Like every other way of thought, Religion is misunderstood if you confuse it with anything else.

[Okiefreak]

Are the categories in the poll mutually exclusive? I think I'd opt for "all of the above."

[stev90]

I've said this before in another thread.
More wars have been started because of religion.

Religion is a drug. Religion is the opium of the masses. Even to some, religion is cyanide (poison). :leaving:


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[Maitreya]

Religion is a set of beliefs. All beliefs contain truth within them, positive or negative. They are small pieces of a puzzle that humans are attempting to piece together. Many people blame religion for the problems in the world, but they fail to see that is isn't religion, it people. The problem with the word religion is that is based on a SET of beliefs, and therefore a specific religion is difficult to change. There is little difference in these too phrases:

"Religion is the root of all conflict."
"Lack of religion is the root cause of all conflict."
The problem lies in the human ego. We all want a reason for why things aren't the way we want them to be. We are creatures with the ability to have an idea. We have an idea of what a perfect human is, or a perfect society is. We then try to immulate this idea. But there in lies the problem. Perfection only lies in the pure balance of reality, which is difficult to see as humans. Religion is the way in which we try to become perfect. But as facets of reality, we have always been perfect, even with our "mistakes". Right and wrong, good and bad, these are only human perceptions, lacking the ability to see beyond ourselves.

All religions are true, they are just different interpretations of the same reality. Science is a religion as well. Its just a different form of searching for the truth. They are both compatible.

Many have already discovered this. The problem is that many of these people wish to unite all the religions. And the scientists wish to destroy religion. Both of these scenarios are flawed in that they can only be implemented through force of belief.

The only true religion is the one that understands these fundamental and undisputable truths:

1. All things contain truth.
2. All human action is done out of love.
3. All things are perfect.

If humans promoted these truths, not force, then it could make our journey a lot more pleasant. Remember though, perception will not allow us to realise our perfection; even through scientific process we will never be able to grasp all truths; and human beings would be inherently good if they didn't think that other humans were inherently bad.

Maitreya

[themnax]

a universal personal intimate relationship with what no one knows anything about, nor has to even pretend that they do, in order to experience it.

oh yes, and i'm quite certain NONE of the options in the poll are accurate.

none seem to even consider the possibility of this perception of it, nor unfortunately, even remotely encompass it.

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[stev90]

The only true religion is the one that understands these fundamental and undisputable truths:

1. All things contain truth.

Since as you claim, that all things contain truth, therefore, according to your logic, a falsehood contains truth.

A truth cannot be false at the same time, otherwise, truth would be meaningless.

If as you say, that "all things contain truth", then, all falsehoods are true. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/biggrinjester.gif



2. All human action is done out of love.

I suppose, Hitler and the Nazis, launched the Holocaust, as an act of love.
Hmmm....http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/leaving.gif



3. All things are perfect.

If as you say, "all things are perfect", then, imperfection is perfection.
Hunger, poverty, disease is perfection.

Why the hell do we even need to eat food, go to work, or buy medicine.
Might as well drop dead, since as you say, "all things are perfect" anyway. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

[Okiefreak]

I've said this before in another thread.
More wars have been started because of religion. than what? let's analyze that claim. What role did religion play in: the Greco-Persian wars, the Peloponnisian war, the Punic wars, the War of the Roses, the Hundred Years War,the Seven Years War, the American Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the American Civil War, the Spanish-American War, the Boer War, the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War,the Vietnam War, and the Persian Gulf War?


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[Varuna]

I've said this before in another thread. More wars have been started because of religion.
People who think they know all there is to know will sometimes do stupid, destructive things. Please don't let your unquestioned beliefs define you as another one of those people.

Religion is a drug. Religion is the opium of the masses. Even to some, religion is cyanide (poison). In perfect step with those you criticize, you simply expect others to accept an idea without any discussion of what that idea means. Why?
Do you know who you are quoting?
Do you know why he wrote that?
Do you know what he was asking you to understand?
Do you know his relationship to his tradition or what question he thought he was addressing?

Do you have any ideas of your own?

Are these the best ideas you have to offer?

Peace and Love

[Okiefreak]

Since as you claim, that all things contain truth, therefore, according to your logic, a falsehood contains truth.

A truth cannot be false at the same time, otherwise, truth would be meaningless.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gifMathematician and philosopher of science Alfred North Whitehead wrote in The Adventure of Ideas:"There are no whole truths; all truths are half truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil." By the same token, can falsehoods contain kernels of truth, and that way be partial truths?

[Maitreya]

Exactly, Okie.

Stev90
All things contain truth. Every falsehood contains the truth that it is false and that its opposite would be true. Or some other truth exists within it but not necessarily these two, but a truth is still inferred.

All human action is done out of love. This entails that all human action is done for the love of something. It doesn't discriminate between what is being loved. Love for country, love for others, love for oneself.

All things are perfect. Imperfection is only a word that humans created to negatively describe that which we do not believe to match our idea of what it should be. In reality, there is only what "is", and what "is" works perfectly within reality through the laws of energy. It exists beyond human existance, and it is balanced, indiscriminant, and it never falters.

We are not all that exists. There is a difference between human truth and "truth". Human perfection and "perfection" are not synonymous.

But to further convey the three fundamental truths:
When you say that a falsehood can not be true and false at the sametime, is true. It is true that Hitler had a love of power, himself, and probably his country, in which he transferred such emotions to his people. Hunger, poverty, and disease are all effects of a large society. Hunger is the perfect reaction to a machine that has failed to sustained itself. Poverty is the inevitable effect of a stratified system, a system created to enforce order. Disease is natures way of controling the population, either through naturally occuring phenomenon or excess of behavior, both of which increase with the number of people in a system. These things are associated with pain and therefore categorized as "bad", but are perfect effects of human action. Whether or not we should try to deal with these issues isn't debatable. But we must understand that for whatever action we take, there will be an opposite reaction, and must be prepared to face this truth.

And the fact that you present arguements that you feel prove the contrary conveys your desire to discover truth, your care for the human condition, and is a perfect reaction.

All religions spawn from a person attempting to illustrate these truths and apply them best as they knew how. They do not represent truth, but they contain truth.

[themnax]

option number two is a conclusion that does not fallow its premis, and probably the reason so many people are so adamantly divided in their opinions on it.

=^^=
.../\...

[ESRUOS ENO]

A weapon for MASS conformity.......... FUCK ORGANIZED RELIGION... Everyone deserves to experience GOD on their own terms........

[xexon]

But you see, thats the problem.

Most everyone has somekind of spiritual thirst, but few have any way of discovering it by themselves, so they join religions in an attempt to do so.

Religion is almost a part of a person's spiritual evolution, but once experienced, you need to keep moving forward and beyond it. People have to grow out of it on their own. We can help them along by presenting different options they may be unaware of.


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[wa bluska wica]

religion for me is finding a community of people

who basically agree with my own philosophies and ethics

so far i am most attracted to buddhism and jainism

but i know very little about the older religions

[shamanism]

or the newer ones

[neo-shamanism]

argh

[kick-out-the-jams]

religion is
























shit

[stev90]

Mathematician and philosopher of science Alfred North Whitehead wrote in The Adventure of Ideas:"There are no whole truths; all truths are half truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil." By the same token, can falsehoods contain kernels of truth, and that way be partial truths?Well, well, I suggest you set up and appointment with Mr. Whitehead and prick his pimples or suck his dick, whichever suits him.

Do you pay your rent in half and expect the landlord to accept that as full payment?

If there are no whole truths, then God is a half-dog, half-Devil, truth is half-false, whatever you say, is a half-truth, a half-lie, a half-fabrication. etc.

Since, anything you say is a half-truth, then, why the fuck, do I have to half-listen to you?

How about crawling to a corner and talk to yourself, pretending you talked to dog, er, I mean, god. :jester:

[Moon_Beam]

Well, well, I suggest you set up and appointment with Mr. Whitehead and prick his pimples or suck his dick, whichever suits him.

Do you pay your rent in half and expect the landlord to accept that as full payment?

If there are no whole truths, then God is a half-dog, half-Devil, truth is half-false, whatever you say, is a half-truth, a half-lie, a half-fabrication. etc.

Since, anything you say is a half-truth, then, why the fuck, do I have to half-listen to you?

How about crawling to a corner and talk to yourself, pretending you talked to dog, er, I mean, god. :jester:Again, you don't take what was said in context! Rent etc is not what is being said - but I guess you will never be open minded enough to even consider anything philosophical!

Anyway, God is whatever you want him to be, whatever you make him. He can either exist or be fiction, a good figure or bad.

If I listen to a song, I might get a different meaining from it than others will do - doesn't mean they are more right than me does it? People should be able to have different interpretations of what God is to them. I don't know if I see God as this omnipotent being up in Heaven who knows everything about us, but I very much doubt that we are completely alone - then again what this 'other thing' might be..... I don't know.

[stev90]

..... I don't know.
How valid. :jester:
Or rather invalid.

Is this another form of "religion is a crutch" thingy?

Since, you yourself admit that you are saying things, you don't know.

Why did you even bother?

Why should I or anybody else listen to you, since you yourself, admit that you don't know?

[Moon_Beam]

How valid. :jester:
Or rather invalid.

Is this another form of "religion is a crutch" thingy?

Since, you yourself admit that you are saying things, you don't know.

Why did you even bother?

Why should I or anybody else listen to you, since you yourself, admit that you don't know?
Yes, I don't know what my 'God' is - so what?!

What are you are saying is that nobody can ever listen to anyone because god is not something that can be proved, so technically everyone who believes in God or not 'doesn't know' - great idea you have there!!!

[stev90]

Again, but I guess you will never be open minded enough to even consider anything philosophical!


I'm actually very open-minded, except for bullshit like god, religion, cookie-monster and santa claus.

religion is a crutch, it is the opium of the masses.
time for you to wake up and face reality.

[Moon_Beam]

I'm actually very open-minded, except for bullshit like god, religion, cookie-monster and santa claus.

religion is a crutch, it is the opium of the masses.
time for you to wake up and face reality.
Yes, very open minded indeed!! You carry on with your strange statements, clearly ignoring what is actually being said! It's rather entertaining!!

[stev90]

Yes, very open minded indeed!! You carry on with your strange statements, clearly ignoring what is actually being said! It's rather entertaining!!

I'm even more entertained reading posts of people who end up admitting they don't know, in other words, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[stev90]

"god" is made up by crooks in organized religion to make you give them your money, or worse, your mind, so that they can continue to fuck and screw the mindless sheeple.

"religion" is the drug they make you addicted to.

[Moon_Beam]

I'm even more entertained reading posts of people who end up admitting they don't know, in other words, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Yes, of course that is exactly it!! God, get it right will ya! It's pathetic!

[stev90]

Yes, of course that is exactly it!! God, get it right will ya! It's pathetic!Did you say, dog??

Bark! bark! bark!!!

:jester:

[Moon_Beam]

Seriously, you should read a bit more! I'm not going to carry this on because you clearly only know how to make stupid comments and I have much better things to do, like cleaning the bathroom!

So have fun posting some more stupid rants, hope you get a kick out of being a twat!

[stev90]

Seriously, you should read a bit more! I'm not going to carry this on because you clearly only know how to make stupid comments and I have much better things to do, like cleaning the bathroom!

So have fun posting some more stupid rants, hope you get a kick out of being a twat!Don't eat the what you clean in the bathroom, thinking it is divine bread from heaven... :)

First, clean the bullshit the church/religion brainwashed your little mind with, then you can do a better job cleaning your bathroom.

[stev90]

Seriously, you should read a bit more! I'm not going to carry this on because you clearly only know how to make stupid comments and I have much better things to do, like cleaning the bathroom!

So have fun posting some more stupid rants, hope you get a kick out of being a twat!A clear admission, that you have lost this debate.
You have nothing to substantiate your claim, therefore, you end up sore, irritated.

Go back to your pastor, reverend, guru, or whatever and ask for some tips to back up your position. Then, we can talk.

BTW, FYI, I voted "religion is a crutch for those who can't cope with reality".
I'm waiting for you to refute it.

[Moon_Beam]

Can you please explain the debate?? - it seems to me that you just make sarky comments to anything someone posts that goes against this 'I am right' attitude. Why should I try to back up my claim of allowing people to believe what they want?! It's every humans right - I don't need to back it up!

Don't assume that I have a pastor, guru or anything - you don't know me and by saying that it shows that you haven't taken in anything I have said!

[stev90]

...I don't know.




Is there anything you know,
that we can discuss? :jester:

[stev90]

Seriously, religion is a drug.

Even Hindus and Rastafarians used bhang, ganja, cannabis, marijuana...

Check out the Spirituality and Marijuana thread.

[Cairo]

I agree with moon beam you dont understand what people are saying and yet you are tryin to make people accept what you say to be right. Id say you should try to actually read what people are sayin before you try an debate, she said that she doesn't know who god is to her not that she doesnt know nething about it.

[stev90]

...said that she doesn't know who god is to her not that she doesnt know nething about it.

It's basically the same thing.
Not knowing who god is and not that she knows nothing about it, is the same.

How can you know anything about something you don't know?

[Okiefreak]

I'm actually very open-minded, except for bullshit like god, religion, cookie-monster and santa claus.

religion is a crutch, it is the opium of the masses.
time for you to wake up and face reality.Open minded? You've been repeating over and over again in post after post the same Leninist slogan you swallowed from a sidewalk Marxist who convinced you it would make you sound intelligent. You use it, and playground name calling, as substitutes for thought. The real drugs seem to have taken a toll on your brain.

[Cairo]

No it isnt. there are plenty of scholars out there who noeverything there is to no about certain religions but still dont no who god is to them. just because someone doesnt call themselves a christian for wotever doesnt mean they dont know about religion.

[stev90]

The real drugs seem to have taken a toll on your brain.
What about the Christian drug that has eaten away at your brain cells.

Or, what's left of it. :jester:


Okie, as in Oklahoma, hmmm. a very Conservative, Right-wing nutcase, state, I suppose...almost near the Bible belt, where people marry their cousins.

[Cairo]

ok i see ya logic, when you have nothin decent to say or have no idea what to say you just spill out crap insults. very clever of you. please teach me how to be so intelligent.

[stev90]

ok i see ya logic, when you have nothin decent to say or have no idea what to say you just spill out crap insults. very clever of you. please teach me how to be so intelligent.Because what your god, pastor, minister, guru, organized religion makes you believe to be "intelligence", is actually an insult on your own intelligence.

[Cairo]

now your saying i'm relgious? i'm sorry have you ever spoken to me before? how wud you no? and you just keep backin up what people say about you but mayb you dont know any better.

[Okiefreak]

What about the Christian drug that has eaten away at your brain cells.

Or, what's left of it. :jester:


Okie, as in Oklahoma, hmmm. a very Conservative, Right-wing nutcase, state, I suppose...almost near the Bible belt, where people marry their cousins.There again, you're thinking in stereotypes. Oklahoma is generally conservative, right wing, so I must be, too. But I'm not. Watch out for those assumptions. How are regional stereotypes any better than racist or sexist ones? Boston, eh. Obviously full of beans, which would explain your brain farts. And you must be a Romney supporter, but he's such a plastic phoney. Is that what you are? Or just an aging high holy from the sixties?

[Cairo]

There again, you're thinking in stereotypes. Oklahoma is generally conservative, right wing, so I must be, too. But I'm not. Watch out for those assumptions. How are regional stereotypes any better than racist or sexist ones?
Well said

[stev90]

There again, you're thinking in stereotypes. Oklahoma is generally conservative, right wing, so I must be, too. But I'm not. Watch out for those assumptions. How are regional stereotypes any better than racist or sexist ones? Boston, eh. Obviously full of beans, which would explain your brain farts. And you must be a Romney supporter, but he's such a plastic phoney. Is that what you are? Or just an aging high holy from the sixties?

It is said, that Okies mean dumb and stupid.
Probably why, god gave you hillbillies a dust bowl instead.

Thank you for proving yourself a perfect example. :)

[stev90]

now your saying i'm relgious? i'm sorry have you ever spoken to me before? how wud you no? and you just keep backin up what people say about you but mayb you dont know any better.Whatever :jester:
Come back to the discussion when you have calmed down.

I'm just sayin' you, Moon_Beam, Okiefreak, ya' all sound like some religious nutcases with nothing to back your beliefs.


Here are my beliefs:

god is made up by crooks in organized religion to take your money and worse, your mind.
Proof: you see/read it all in the news, everywhere.


religion is a drug used as a means to gain power and control on others, religion is also the biggest scam.
Proof: Christianity, Islam, etc.

Show me your beliefs and prove it. Then we'll talk.

[Moon_Beam]

Sound like religious nutcases for allowing people basic human rights?! Yeah ok!
But then again from what you have been saying, it sounds like human rights mean nothing to you because everyone should just believe what you are saying!


You can't use a generalisation of a whole religion to prove anything, if you had personally spoken to every religious person then fair enough, but I'm guessing you haven't, so how about you stop being so bloody prejudice against people you don't even know.

[stev90]

Sound like religious nutcases for allowing people basic human rights?! Yeah ok!Is religion a human right??

Then, drugs certainly are a human right too.
Since time immemorial, humans have sought drugs to heal illnessess and seek cures.


If drugs are a human right, how come they ban certain drugs, but not certain religions?

[Moon_Beam]

Maybe you should have a look at the Human Rights Act!!!

[stev90]

Maybe you should have a look at the Human Rights Act!!!
Just who exactly was/were the authors of the Human Rights Act, anyway?

They're just a bunch of fallible, humans, warts and all, just like you and me.

Since the authors are imperfect humans, the Human Rights Act don't mean shit.

Is it in fact, even followed in everywhere in the world, not to mention even here in good ole' U.S. of A???

Think again.

[Moon_Beam]

Oh right, so you realise you are wrong and try and get out of it by saying that human rights is something that is stupid, shouldn't exist and isn't followed! You are seriously messed up! I really don't want to carry on talking to someone who is such a twat!

[Okiefreak]

Oh right, so you realise you are wrong and try and get out of it by saying that human rights is something that is stupid, shouldn't exist and isn't followed! You are seriously messed up! I really don't want to carry on talking to someone who is such a twat!I had a different message here earlier, really about Steve90, but I thought you might think I meant it for you, so I withdrew it. You're a normal participant in the conversation, but he has a tendency to make everything personal by bigoted stereotyping, gratuitous insults, and broken record repetition of the same slogans, sometimes in different fonts and colors.

[Okiefreak]

So most of this thread seems to have been about responding to insults. Does anybody have anything to say about what religion is to us--besides the opiate of the people?

Here's a question I never did get an answer to:
I've said this before in another thread.
More wars have been started because of religion. than what? let's analyze that claim. What role did religion play in: the Greco-Persian wars, the Peloponnisian war, the Punic wars, the War of the Roses, the Hundred Years War,the Seven Years War, the American Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the American Civil War, the Spanish-American War, the Boer War, the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War,the Vietnam War, and the Persian Gulf War? By any measure (number of battles, numbers of combatants, lives lost, scale, property damaged) these were among the worst, bloodiest wars in history. But it's hard to see how religion played a significant role in any of them. Was somebody overgeneralizing?

[Okiefreak]

I left out:The Northern Wars, the Wars of Spanish Succession and Polish Succession, the Napoleonic Wars, the Mexican-American War, the Austro-Prussian War, the Falklands War, and the Balkan Wars.

[Moon_Beam]

I had a different message here earlier, really about Steve90, but I thought you might think I meant it for you, so I withdrew it. You're a normal participant in the conversation, but he has a tendency to make everything personal by bigoted stereotyping, gratuitous insults, and broken record repetition of the same slogans, sometimes in different fonts and colors.True, I just don't like it when people try and tell others what to think, feel, say and believe - people should be able to do want they like, as long as they don't hurt anyone. No one is better than anyone else.

I don't think he actually has anything substantial to add so this is the only way he can get a response!

[ESRUOS ENO]

THE DRUG WAR.... a war on religion..

[stev90]

What role did religion play in: the the Punic wars?


The Pubic wars

The Phoenicians who worshipped their god Baal, El, the Ruler of the Universe, Son of Dagan, Rider of the Clouds, Almighty, Lord of the Earth fought the Greeks who worshipped Zeus, or Roman Jupiter, to decide which god had the longest unshaved pubic hair.

Did that answer your question, OkieDokie, nookie-nookie! :jester:

Next stupid question straight outta da Dustbowl, please. :drool:

[stev90]

Oh right, so you realise you are wrong and try and get out of it by saying that human rights is something that is stupid, shouldn't exist and isn't followed! You are seriously messed up! I really don't want to carry on talking to someone who is such a twat!

Yes!
Human right alone is stoopid!
Human right alone shouldn't exist!
Human right alone shoudn't be followed!




What about the human left?!! :jester:

[stev90]

What role did religion play in: the Greco-Persian wars, the Peloponnisian war, the Punic wars, the War of the Roses, the Hundred Years War,the Seven Years War, the American Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the American Civil War, the Spanish-American War, the Boer War, the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War,the Vietnam War, and the Persian Gulf War? By any measure (number of battles, numbers of combatants, lives lost, scale, property damaged) these were among the worst, bloodiest wars in history. But it's hard to see how religion played a significant role in any of them. Was somebody overgeneralizing?Absolutely, nothing!

Why?

Because the pagan Greeks, the pagan Phoenicians, the Protestant English, the Spanish Catholics, the Christian Americans, the Shinto Japanese, the Buddhist Koreans, the Muslim Iraqi, etc. all went out and started killing one another, other fellow human beings.

Somehow, the idea that "thou shall not kill" or "seeing the divine" in another human being, was completely forgotten, or for some reason, their God commanded them to kill another human being.


For the combatants of these stupid wars, their stupid religion meant nothing to them, unless their stupid religion somehow fed their bloodlust.


Obviously, stupid religions with their stupid gods didn't make the world a better place, but merely produced more stupid followers who waged wars, and killings, all in the name of their stupid God, or dog, for that matter, a bloodthirsty dog, indeed. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/drool5.gif

[Okiefreak]

Absolutely, nothing!

Why?

Because the pagan Greeks, the pagan Phoenicians, the Protestant English, the Spanish Catholics, the Christian Americans, the Shinto Japanese, the Buddhist Koreans, the Muslim Iraqi, etc. all went out and started killing one another, other fellow human beings.

Somehow, the idea that "thou shall not kill" or "seeing the divine" in another human being, was completely forgotten, or for some reason, their God commanded them to kill another human being.


For the combatants of these stupid wars, their stupid religion meant nothing to them, unless their stupid religion somehow fed their bloodlust.


Obviously, stupid religions with their stupid gods didn't make the world a better place, but merely produced more stupid followers who waged wars, and killings, all in the name of their stupid God, or dog, for that matter, a bloodthirsty dog, indeed. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/drool5.gif So you're backing down from your original statement that "religion CAUSES more wars". You were just blowing more Boston bean gas out your ass!

[stev90]

So you're backing down from your original statement that "religion CAUSES more wars"!Religion causes more wars than any other reason.

Not only that, religion is useless, in solving conflicts, since if religion actually worked, why would the religious combatants even need to go to war to begin with.

Wouldn't their so-called "religion" have helped them sort out their differences?

In fact, religion, instead of helping man, is the biggest hindrance of progress.

But it sure does "help" miserable stupid dumbfucks who live in a dustbowl, in need of a crutch.

You were just blowing more Boston bean gas out your ass!Jesus, Fucking Christ! Is this what your Bible taught you, or do you just have a learning disability, as a result of you folks marrying with your sisters and cousins.

Okie-Dokie, nookie-nookie! :jester:

[Okiefreak]

Religion causes more wars than any other reason.

Not only that, religion is useless, in solving conflicts, since if religion actually worked, why would the religious combatants even need to go to war to begin with.

Wouldn't their so-called "religion" have helped them sort out their differences?

In fact, religion, instead of helping man, is the biggest hindrance of progress.

But it sure does "help" miserable stupid dumbfucks who live in a dustbowl, in need of a crutch.

:jester:
Nice try, but it won't fly. You got caught in a lie. After telling us religion causes more wars, you now try to defend your stupid statement by arguing that because the people going to war had religions and because religion didn't prevent them from going to war, religion is somehow responsible. A lot of those people worshipped false gods or ignored the true one. By the same reasoning, it would be responsible for everything, good or bad, that's ever happened on the planet. God didn't prevent the dust bowl, so religion didn't work? I think it helped a lot of good folks get through the experience. I don't know of any religion that claimed it would prevent evil people from doing evil things, or from natural disasters from happening, or dumbasses from screwing things up for other people. If it did, you wouldn't be here posting your dumbass comments.

[stev90]

You were just blowing more Boston bean gas out your ass!
Whoa!
It's raining fire and brimstone in these parts lately, direct from dog, or rather, god himself.

Okie-Dokie, nookie-nookie, displays his brand of Christian hate and anger, that will make the Kansas based, Westboro Baptist Church, members blush.

Not suprising, since both Kansas and Oklahoma are close, neighboring states, somewhat similar to in-bred siblings. :jester:

http://www.tomgpalmer.com/images/god%20hates%20fags.jpg

Such Christian hatred makes even Satan blush. :talk2hand

[Okiefreak]

Whoa!
It's raining fire and brimstone in these parts lately, direct from dog, or rather, god himself.

Okie-Dokie, nookie-nookie, displays his brand of Christian hate and anger, that will make the Kansas based, Westboro Baptist Church, members blush.

Not suprising, since both Kansas and Oklahoma are close, neighboring states, somewhat similar to in-bred siblings. :jester:

http://www.tomgpalmer.com/images/god%20hates%20fags.jpg

Such Christian hatred makes even Satan blush. :talk2hand So, unable to think of an intelligent reply, you resort to your playground tactics of calling names and hurling insults. How old are you?

[stev90]

I don't know of any religion that claimed it would prevent evil people from doing evil things, or from natural disasters from happening, or dumbasses from screwing things up for other people. If it did, you wouldn't be here posting your
dumbass comments.


You're suggesting that your dustbowl OKIE hokey-pokey,nookie-nookie ASS is a lot more holier than mine. HAHAHA!!! :jester:



"Dust in the wind..."
How about singing "Piss in the wind..." :)

[stev90]

What role did religion play in:..the War of the Roses

:parry:

The War of the Roses were a series of civil wars fought in medieval England from 1455 to 1487 between Christians involving the House of Lancaster who wore badges of the red rose and fellow Christian members and supporters of the House of York who wore badges of the white rose.

It is was a typical case of Christian assholes butchering each other, in total disregard for the commandment "thou shalt not kill" or just acting like typical Christian assholes.

The War of the Roses was also fought to determine which rose was the real rose. The red rose or the white rose. Typical of Christian inbred mentality, these Christian fuckers were literally fucking themselves to death to determine which rose plant was the legitimate rose plant. The red rose or the white rose.

This assinine mentality is similar to the establishments' current war on the plant cannabis. This is basically, a war against a plant.

In other words, the roots of the War of the Roses was born of Christian stupidity, rendering their Christian religion, useless, quite similar to the current drug war.

[stev90]

Okiefreak
Age: 19
So, unable to think of an intelligent reply, you resort to your playground tactics of calling names and hurling insults. How old are you?Ehem.
I think, you're the one acting silly and child-like.

How old are you, 91 ? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/biggrinjester.gif

[stev90]

It is clear from perusing these threads that if religion did anything, we would all be loving and not tearing each other apart.

But the fact is, even some of these phony "Christians" on this thread who only display their ignorance of their so-called version of their "Christian" religion, whatever the fuck it is, have no idea at all of their so-called "faith", let alone apply it.

In short, Christians have no fucking idea of what the fuck they're talking about.

Therefore, religion, like Christianity is useless, unless, of course, religion is used as a crutch or as a means to gain power and control in order to subjugate weaker peoples and cultures, or it is used as a form of addiction.

In fact, religion of all kinds is the biggest scam invented by man.

Anyone who uses his/her own mind to think for themselves and apply common sense, doesn't need religion.

[Okiefreak]

:parry:

The War of the Roses were a series of civil wars fought in medieval England from 1455 to 1487 between Christians involving the House of Lancaster who wore badges of the red rose and fellow Christian members and supporters of the House of York who wore badges of the white rose.

It is was a typical case of Christian assholes butchering each other, in total disregard for the commandment "thou shalt not kill" or just acting like typical Christian assholes.

The War of the Roses was also fought to determine which rose was the real rose. The red rose or the white rose. Typical of Christian inbred mentality, these Christian fuckers were literally fucking themselves to death to determine which rose plant was the legitimate rose plant. The red rose or the white rose.

This assinine mentality is similar to the establishments' current war on the plant cannabis. This is basically, a war against a plant.

In other words, the roots of the War of the Roses was born of Christian stupidity, rendering their Christian religion, useless, quite similar to the current drug war.So because the two sides were nominally Christian (really the same faith) Christianity caused the war, even though Christianity was not an issue in it? Because Christianity made everybody "stupid". Is that your stupid argument? And you think the war was fought "to determine which rose plant was the legitimate rose plant"? They were symbols, man, as you said earlier! The war was about succession to the throne of England, and it was mainly about power, not religion or shrubs. Anybody who thinks your argument is logical has got to be stupid, so has no standing to criticize Christians for being stupid, unless you think it takes one to know one.

[Okiefreak]

It is clear from perusing these threads that if religion did anything, we would all be loving and not tearing each other apart.

But the fact is, even some of these phony "Christians" on this thread who only display their ignorance of their so-called version of their "Christian" religion, whatever the fuck it is, have no idea at all of their so-called "faith", let alone apply it.

In short, Christians have no fucking idea of what the fuck they're talking about.

Therefore, religion, like Christianity is useless, unless, of course, religion is used as a crutch or as a means to gain power and control in order to subjugate weaker peoples and cultures, or it is used as a form of addiction.

In fact, religion of all kinds is the biggest scam invented by man.

Anyone who uses his/her own mind to think for themselves and apply common sense, doesn't need religion.Better.

[stev90]

So because the two sides were nominally Christian (really the same faith) Christianity caused the war, even though Christianity was not an issue in it? Because Christianity made everybody stupid. Is that your stupid argument? And you think the war was fought "to determine which rose plant was the legitimate rose plant"? They were symbols, man, as you said earlier! The war was about succession to the throne of England, and it was mainly about power, not religion or shrubs. Anybody who thinks your argument is logical has got to be stupid, so has no standing to criticize Christians for being stupid, unless you think it takes one to know one.Haha! Gotcha!

You're the stupid, damn and ignorant fool to take the post seriously, just like you goddamn Christians take your fucking Bible seriously. HAHA!


I seriously suggest you stick your stupid bible up where the sun don't shine. :jester:

You can shove in the koran too, I'm sure you got space. :)

[Okiefreak]

Haha! Gotcha!

You're the stupid, damn and ignorant fool to take the post seriously, just like you goddamn Christians take your fucking Bible seriously. HAHA!


I seriously suggest you stick your stupid bible up where the sun don't shine. :jester:

You can shove in the koran too, I'm sure you got space. :) I see. Anybody who takes you seriously is an ignorant fool. Lesson learned!

[stev90]

I see. Anybody who takes you seriously is an ignorant fool. Lesson learned!HeeeHeee!!! :jester:

Okie-dokie, hokey-pokey, nookie-nookie,

I commend you for making yourself a fine example of the Christian asshole. :talk2hand


Put down your Bible and use your brain for a change. :)

[Maitreya]

Once again, religion are only ideas of the truth.


Humans are only now, within the past hundred years or so, seperating themselves from the narrow sighted ideas of the older religions.

And Stev90, you blame the world's problems on one single facet of human culture. You are truly a fool if you believe that without religion conflict would end. Humans are always at conflict and will always be at conflict without some force to unify them. And that is what religion attempts to do.

It is YOUR mindset the leads to conflict. No one came in saying that you have to believe what we believe, but you insult and degrade those who wish to perceive existance in their own way. Your ego is unbecoming of you.

What is my "GOD"? It is the source of creation and the force that keeps the balance. It is everything and nothing. A completely abstract idea that can not properly be described by human language due to its complexity. We do not try to grasp it in its entirety, but rather search to understand as much of it as a being with limited scope can. We didn't discover the atom on accident and then realize that everything is made up of smaller parts. We already knew this and then began experiments to prove it.

DO NOT group religion with Christianity. Just because one religion scares and offends you doesn't give you ammo against the rest. Each of your attempts to attack religion conveys your ignorance of the purpose and application of different ideologies.

Maitreya

[stev90]

What is my "GOD"? A completely abstract idea that can not properly be described by human language due to its complexity. We do not try to grasp it in its entirety, but rather search to understand as much of it as a being with limited scope can.

If your little mind cannot describe "God", did you use your big, fat ass to
figure out this completely abstract idea ? :jester:




And Stev90, you blame the world's problems on one single facet of human culture. You are truly a fool if ...

Maitreya

If you really are "Maitreya", the future Buddha, don't you have better things to do, like sitting, meditating under a cave, tree or something, rather than watching online porn in between posting in Philosophy and Religions forums? LOL. :drool:

Maitreya, sad to say, but you truly are the fool.
Have a nice day.

[stev90]

DO NOT group religion with Christianity. Just because one religion scares and offends you doesn't give you ammo against the rest. Each of your attempts to attack religion conveys your ignorance of the purpose and application of different ideologies.

MaitreyaThe John Jay Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report), commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops found accusations against 4,392 priests in the USA, equalling about 4% of all U.S. priests between 1950 and 2002.


So, Maitreya, in your role as the "future Buddha", have you been abusing little Buddhist boys yourself? :toetap:

[Varuna]

Stev90,

So, you accept tired prejudices and negative stereotypes as fact, and refer to your unexamined beliefs as proof of your "intelligence." Why should I believe you?

You argue for the classic logic of bigotry (all X are Y). It doesn't matter what X and Y actually are, to accept only one relationship between X and Y is an unnecessary intellectual limitation, it is willful ignorance. Why should I believe you?

I hope you never have to face anything worse than (or even, as bad as) the kind of abuse you believe is acceptable from those who are suspicious of YOUR personal and community identities. That just wouldn't be fair, would it?

Peace and Love

[Okiefreak]

It's really worse than the classic logic of bigotry. He not only relies on stereotyping, but really far out stereotyping bordering on stream of consciousness. If I understand the reply to Maitrea, Stev90's argument goes as follows: a small minority of Catholic priests have been accused of abusing children. Maitrea uses a Buddhist name on Hip Forums. Therefore, he is also supect of abusing children. The "argument" makes no sense at all. Stev's last reply to me was "HeeeHeee!!! Okie-dokie, hokey-pokey, nookie-nookie".--pure gibberish. Logic is obviously not his strong suit.

[ESRUOS ENO]

Religion....A great way to start a comic book.... and someday you will marvel at something..

[Okiefreak]

Another great mind at work!

[Maitreya]

Actually, stev90, I made no such claim. Also, one should research an issue fully before attempting to make informed statements that are not only disrespectful, but also ignorant. I will say no more to you because lack any honor whatsoever.

[Maitreya]

Everyone is looking for answers. Those who do not believe in religion are still using their lack of faith as a way to answer lifes big questions. In the end they are using religion as a crutch; they blame the worlds problems on organized religion rather than the people who corrupt these ideologies. They fail to give the proper weight to the human factor in the issue. To say that religion should be dissolved is to say that ideologies need to be dissolved, which is obviously impossible. There will always be people believing different things. Its when these difference cause people to hurt each other when people look for "why". And the answer is always the ideology. I think those who can not see that part are naive. Those who I associate with are kind and wise people who look to better themselves and do so through the study of other humans. This can not be done without understanding religion and the motive of these religions.

[It Has Been Said]

It is freedom of choice..you can either be with God or be with satan.

[naomi08]

Religion is strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

[naomi08]

I use to be a christian but ive slipped away from it into witchcraft. I am a black witch i do black magick and i am going to do a banishing spell on some1 this is going to be my 1st time doing this spell any advise??

[xexon]

I suggest you get a grasp of what karma is before going any further.

When you do something to someone else, either positive or negative, it comes back to you.

Remember that before you proceed.


x

[jrnyman]

just out of curiosity what is a banishing spell and why are you doing it? and my understanding of karma is slightly different than the time lapse send out and receive, although that tends to ring true as well. When you enact something you are it. So as you carry through with a certain energy it sits inside of you and immediately effects you.

So basically whatever you do to somebody else you're already doing to yourself. Like if your intent is to cause harm then you're already feeling the harm you wish to cause, etc.

[WhiteFoot]

as is said in missing books of the bible, god is everywhere and in everything. so therefore god is everything good and bad light and dark. personally i met what i would call god on a serious dmt trip basically a shaft of energy/electricity in the center where its white is all good and as you go outwards it becomes darker all spinning and intertwined as one.

in one persons view drugs a good, in anothre they are bad.
one sees itself as good and other as evil just as the other sees itself as good and the other evil.

they are both the same.

which this would also mean u dont need a "church" or religion to be intouch with god as you are god since god is inside of everything, even you.

thus making religion a simple means of control where only the pope can talk to god haha what bullshit