stingy doctors

[burnabowl]

Hi, I'm pretty new to this site so I don't really know which questions are appropriate to ask. But I figure if my question is no good I have being new as an excusehttp://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/embarassed.gif

I've had chronic daily headaches since May of 07 and have gone through various forms of guesswork with my regular doctor and the neurologist. I won't bore you with all the flaccid attempts at reducing the headache pain, but they've been very hard on my overall well-being.

The limit on my access to opiate painkillers is (30) 5-325mg generic percocets a month. They don't get to the pain well enough and I hate the tylenol that's in them. My dr. physically winced when I asked for stronger rx's.

Do I need to look for more laidback dr.'s, or would that be a waste of time and I should try to get something the old-fashioned way, viz. through private sources on the internet? I'm not asking for a direct hook, I just want to know whether the odds are against me in that pursuit.

Since the cause of my headaches is still unknown, I don't know if the average doctor is going to be very quick to give me a pk regimen; oxycontin or morphine or equivalents, but those are what I'm looking for. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/blush5.gif

[acga5]

move to california or the south :) many of my friends say their doctors basically give away opiates

[JahRed24]

yeah here in the southeastern part of the united states is INFESTed with oxycontin and roxis, everyone and their mother does OC here

[sam&ella]

I'm suprised you're getting percs. Headaches usually are not treated by opiod therapy presently.

[JahRed24]

thats why he only gets 30 5mg percocets a month cuz hes probably been complaining and tried an assortment of different meds b4 he actually got prescribed those and even so 30 5mg perc's a month is nothing...a normal user could kill the script in as little as 2-3days

[sam&ella]

Sounds like you need levodromoran. The optical isomer of dextromethorphan, it is a very potent analgesic, about 3-4 times as potent as morphine.

[burnabowl]

wow thanks everyone for posting. yeah when my friend was in jacksonville FL, he got a bunch of oxys that said ABG on the back. pretty good, but there's something unique about the real ones. It sucks that they so taboo, cause I could sure use some. I'ma try to find a hook online somehow. I guess I need to be intuitive to know whether I'm chasing a scam or not.

yeah the dr.s don't like me taking opiates, but since their attempts at medicating the pain have been so worthless, it's a concession they make. I personally don't want to keep going through expensive guesswork and I'd be content just masking the pain with opiates. It took me a while to get so cynical

[StonedSober]

just be careful, using stronger opiates (OCs, roxis) to treat pain, especially regularly, is like playing with fire. mainly due to the terribly addictive nature of the drugs. you may want to invest in a non opiod pain medication. there are some rather powerful alternatives out there without the threat of a life ruining addiction

[Verisimilitude]

just be careful, using stronger opiates (OCs, roxis) to treat pain, especially regularly, is like playing with fire. mainly due to the terribly addictive nature of the drugs. you may want to invest in a non opiod pain medication. there are some rather powerful alternatives out there without the threat of a life ruining addiction
He's right man. I got put on 10/325 percs, then oxys, now a mixture of percs and oxys for severe joint pain, and now I'm so addicted that my doctors are considering rehab programs for me.

Opiates are the best and worst thing in the world. Handle with care.

-V

[burnabowl]

I'm jealous of people who are addicted to opiates. j/k. I've had them many times before. I was content with small amounts, but even had larger amounts, rationing them and making them last longer. And some times I binged on the larger amounts, I felt like I wanted to quit the drug forever, then I don't feel like it again for another 3 months. Now is a time when I haven't had them since last april so the recreational value is callin my name, plus I have inexplicably acute headaches that I feel warrant some access to decent pk's like oxy.

I realize people have damaged a good portion of their lives due to an opiate addiction. I've never been inclined to use any drug too heavily or too frequently. I smoked cigarettes for a while, got sick of 'em. did coke for a couple months, swore it off for life and have never any manner of craving for them since.

I love herb; it's a staple, it's just part of life. Something like oxys would be a luxury to me, to be fully relished and remembered but not to spoil myself with. I've asked my wife that if I get a supply, I want her to hide it and dispense to me only what is needed for a week or whatever, because I know what an opiate is. I know that the brain gets higher and higher with larger amounts of an opiate. But with cannabis, large amounts would actually make you less high due to tolerance.

My dr. tried several nonopioid medicines, but they all had oppressive side effects and were ultimately ineffective. Some homeopathics and opiate pk's are the only things so far that give me any real relief. I appreciate your concern, and you all seem to give rec drug users a good name by taking the drug seriously.

[sam&ella]

I appreciate your concern, and you all seem to give rec drug users a good name by taking the drug seriously.
It's a serious drug...I cannot think of another drug that combines potent pain relief with potent euphoria. ;)

[salmon4me]

...and potent addictive qualities. Qiute the trifecta!

[chakkname]

I am going through the same problem check out me post "oxycodone dossage increase"

[burnabowl]

so my neurologist was cool today and gave me a tylenol-free oxycodone, 5mg generic(mfg Amide). i'm supposed to take 2 at a time. I don't think they are time-release or have any advantage by crushing them, but it's good to have something more pure. He said that if it's not strong enough, we can increase dosage. I wonder if I need to ask for the name brand in order to get it, or maybe that'd be weird.

[salmon4me]

From what i've read you should go back to him and not mention the medication at all. Just say that it doesn't quite get rid of the pain...something to that extent.

[WanderingSoul]

My friend takes... I think she said it was Plomax or Flomax for migraine headaches. She says they work well.

[sam&ella]

My friend takes... I think she said it was Plomax or Flomax for migraine headaches. She says they work well.
Hope it's not Flomax, lol.

[burnabowl]

From what i've read you should go back to him and not mention the medication at all. Just say that it doesn't quite get rid of the pain...something to that extent.cool thanks. It took him seven months to give me an opiate, so I don't want to make him question it. It was funny cuz on the way their I was complaining to my wife that I feel discriminated against because of my young age. i guess dr.s see me as more likely to get addicted if I'm young. Even when I was checking in, I saw a Rx for 'oxycontin', so I knew he wrote them.
These pills are pretty good, but they do only slightly better than the percocet in dampening the pain.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

[Verisimilitude]

Hope it's not Flomax, lol.
Yeah, isn't Flomax an inhaled steroid? for Athsma/brochial problems? if your friend is on this for migranes, then she needs a new doc.

[WanderingSoul]

Yeah, isn't Flomax an inhaled steroid? for Athsma/brochial problems? if your friend is on this for migranes, then she needs a new doc.Ehh, I could be wrong.

[sam&ella]

Flomax is an alpha-andrenergic blocker; it helps relax your veins & arteries. It's indicated for men with a prostate condition called BPH. It helps let them pee.


Since it relaxes the walls of your veins & arteries, it's possible that it is prescribed for migraines "off label".

[burnabowl]

I'm so nervous. The same day the dr. gave me pure oxycodone, I gave some blood samples that I had procrastinated. I guess he wanted to check my thyroid.

I'm just hoping that the blood work doesn't show any treatable condition; because I think I'd rather have constant headaches and access to enjoyable pills than no headaches at all.

What's more, the acupuncturist wants some documents of the mri, ct scan, etc. and want to refer me to an eastern medicine specialist. They seem confident. I guess I could fake it if it gets better, but that's lame. I don't want to take up doctors' time when other ppl with real conditions need it.

[burnabowl]

bump. so the blood work came back negative for anything and I told the acupuncturist to fuck off (not that I doubt the science in general, I just didn't feel it was helping my case). Now I'm seeing a chiropractor; after the first adjustment there was a spot under the base of my skull that felt better, but after three weeks of it, the overall pain is just as bad.

I see the neurologist on feb 15th, on which date he said we'd prolly increase dosage. I intend to say that the 10mg oxy helped, but only for about an hour (which is the truth, but I also feel it's the best thing to say that's most likely to get the highest dosage increase). I don't know whether there is an incremental dosage increase protocol or not.

I'm just glad it's starting to fall in place. I've had so many disappointments for so long with trying to get some from the street or through the 'net (not to mention going to emotional hell and back with antidepressants, anticonvulsants, etc.), that I feel justice would be rightly served for me to have as much oc as I fuggin want

[Guitar]

I wish i could find a legit website, just seems so sketchy.

[burnabowl]

yeah I concluded that it's pretty lame to find hookups through a search engine attempt. Anything explicitly and publicly offering stuff just seems bunk. I think the best thing is to join as many forums like this one and build rapport with ppl and email and pm them requests.

[burnabowl]

So I went to my neuro. He did not increase my dosage, but he prescribed 'contin, rather than 'codone. I didn't know whether I was to take that literally or not. I wondered if maybe purdue made a 10 milli instant release. But when I got it, they had the cool OC on one side, and a "10" on the other, and the bottle said "do not crush or chew," so I was elated. I just had only about 2.5 mg in two bumps and I'm in the clouds, and my headache's gone. Plus I burned a bowl. My dr. likes me.

[Guitar]

I'm so nervous. The same day the dr. gave me pure oxycodone.im confused, do you just mean oxycontin? i thought oxycontin was cut a least a little bit.

also, i wish i was like you and could get fucked up from less than 5 mgs, thatd be insane. an 80 would last like a month, instead of 2 days

[burnabowl]

when I said pure oxycodone, that was a misnomer. I just meant that it wasn't attached to APAP, it was just oxycodone. Not literally pure. It wasn't purdue's oxy, just an instant release 10 mg.

But what I got yesterday was actual OxyContin, just 10mg tabs. I didn't really know they made them this small. It still has the coating, which is white, and it's the awesome extended release.

Yeah I really try to keep my tolerance low by doing small amounts spread out over long intervals. I've never been interested in very strong drug rushes (except E).

[burnabowl]

So I've been sniffing these oc 10's and it's been really great, but is the doctor going to look at my nostrils to see if I've been abusing? Are there even any visible indicators in my nose from doing 160mg worth over a month? Now that i see this question typed, it seems pretty dumb. Why would the dr. even take that responsibility on himself..it doesn't seem like he would care or feel a jurisdiction....

I chewed about 5 mg, but it just seems better if I rail it..

[sam&ella]

So I've been sniffing these oc 10's and it's been really great, but is the doctor going to look at my nostrils to see if I've been abusing? Are there even any visible indicators in my nose from doing 160mg worth over a month? Now that i see this question typed, it seems pretty dumb. Why would the dr. even take that responsibility on himself..it doesn't seem like he would care or feel a jurisdiction....

I chewed about 5 mg, but it just seems better if I rail it..
Hehe...afraid of spoiling a good thing, burn? Not to worry. Curious, is it a pain doc, or a family doc?

[burnabowl]

he's a neurologist, but in this case he's sort of doing pain management

[nickles]

are they tension headaches? i have you ever tried fiorect? It's a barbiturate. it works wonders for my headaches. Narcotics do nothing for the headache and sometimes make it worse.

[burnabowl]

no, i determined they were not tension headaches, since they were consistent even when I had long periods of no stress.

I'm under the impression that there is no one cause for my headaches I believe there are at least 3 causes. I had neck pain, from tension, which physical therapy solved. I had a pain under the base of my skull that chiropractic has gotten rid of. The only remaining pain is in the upper hemisphere of my head, and it's the sort of headache that is lessened by coffee, teas, narcotics and essential oils. oxycontin is by far the best and longest-acting pain reliever for this pain so far. plus I've always been sorta partial to it.

[nickles]

well yeah, oxy's are nice. heroin in pill form pretty much. Have you tried fiorcet? it's worth a shot.

[burnabowl]

just because they are part of the same drug group, doesn't mean oxys are heroin. coffee and cocaine are in the same drug group, too. I've honestly had so many dozens of rx drugs, I couldn't tell you whether I've had fiorcet. I've had antidepressants, anticonvulsants, probably barbiturates. The neuro made it pretty clear that oxys were a very definite last resort, second only to botox injections.

I'm not denying there's a variety of drugs that are completely effective on other people's chronic headaches, but none of them do anything for mine. Although chronic headaches are the most common illness of the western world, the causes of them are vastly variegated. I gave up on any real cure a while ago. All I can do is manage the pain with as little side effects to the rest of my life as possible. The supply of oxys I get gives me two pain-free days a week to fully interact with my kids and do all the things that the pain normally precludes me from doing. I'm sick of guesswork, experimental medicine, and immoblizing side effects; it's taken too much out of me already.

[nickles]

i know how you feel, i was just offering suggestions. I went through probably the same exact thing you went through on trying to figure out why i have headaches every day of my life, except i was never lucky enough to get oxy's.

so good luck with that.

people around here are freaking touchy. sheesh

[burnabowl]

we're only touchy when we hear the same things several dozen times, at least I am, no offense intended. It's not you at all; I just don't like the widespread stigma that goes along with oxys; it's one of the things that makes it hard to get it for real pain management. I was going to thank you for your obvious concern in my last post but I forgot. But i honestly didn't even conceive that you would see what I was saying as touchy; I thought I was just giving info. If someone on this site seems confrontational, it's mostly due to the intense feeling behind their opinion, and it's generally not resentment or a personal attack. At least that's what I've found.

[burnabowl]

nickles, if I came across as touchy or rude I hope you won't see it as a reflection of the typical member on this site. The people here are surprisingly accomodating. They really welcome anything you have to say and will always take you seriously. I hope you won't be reluctant to post candidly and as you are.

[Guitar]

just because they are part of the same drug group, doesn't mean oxys are heroin. coffee and cocaine are in the same drug group, too. I've honestly had so many dozens of rx drugs, I couldn't tell you whether I've had fiorcet. I've had antidepressants, anticonvulsants, probably barbiturates. The neuro made it pretty clear that oxys were a very definite last resort, second only to botox injections.

I'm not denying there's a variety of drugs that are completely effective on other people's chronic headaches, but none of them do anything for mine. Although chronic headaches are the most common illness of the western world, the causes of them are vastly variegated. I gave up on any real cure a while ago. All I can do is manage the pain with as little side effects to the rest of my life as possible. The supply of oxys I get gives me two pain-free days a week to fully interact with my kids and do all the things that the pain normally precludes me from doing. I'm sick of guesswork, experimental medicine, and immoblizing side effects; it's taken too much out of me already.
2 days a week? what pill mg do they have you on?

[burnabowl]

well, not two full days a week. they're oc 10's. twice a week is just the prescribed schedule.

[Guitar]

at least you got some type of prescription, if i tried to get one the doctor would probably know for sure i'm a fiend since i'm so young, and i'd also like to know if blowing oxy can show definite damage to the nose like cocaine.

[burnabowl]

yeah getting this doc to give me a decent rx required a lot of patience and a lot of unassuming compliance with whatever he recommended. never really mentioned pk's. an er doc told me since I'm so young I probably wouldn't get good pk's. but patience was the answer; I thought this guy was a total putz when I first met him and I thought he'd be the last guy to give me oc's (I think he tries to convey that on purpose so pk scammers don't stick around knowing that eventually they'll get a fix). I consider myself a druggie, but he doesn't see me that way at all.

[Verisimilitude]

at least you got some type of prescription, if i tried to get one the doctor would probably know for sure i'm a fiend since i'm so young.
Hey man, Just because you are young doesn't mean you are immediately identified as a druggie seeking his fix when you ask for pain relief... I'm just a year older than you and I've had a legit prescription for OC's and Perc's for almost 9 months now.

As most people have said already, it takes patience, compliance, and some sort of condition that causes pain that can't be easily tested and disproved.

I get my pills for joint pain: at first a doc will just give you percs or hydros, but once your pain is determined to be chronic (round the clock and lasting for a month or longer) then he can prescribe oxy's or some other extended release medication.

The point is, if you do your homework and know how to come across as sincere you'll reach your goal, whether that is pain relief or getting high, or as it is for me, both.

-V

[burnabowl]

I thought about starting a new thread for this inquiry, but figured I'd just bump this one since it has background info. It was fun to go re read it back when I was new here and didn't know any of you and know I do to some extent, so that was entertaining.

I'm still on the same (16) 10mg oxycontin per every 4 weeks. Since then my perspective of oxys has changed drastically. I used to place them on a very high pedestal and now I just see them as any old drug. In a way I like them more by liking them less.

Anyway, I'm wondering if it would be prudent or stupid to request a dose increase. I don't need more for my pain, but I find that oc's are a powerful form of currency, and often other items I want are more easily delivered if I compensate with a few little "white devils." Plus I have friends who think the world of oxys, and it gives me pleasure to hand some over to them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not introducing anyone to the world of opiates or giving them too much that they'll be stupid with them, just helping in this way because I'm in a position to help.

i'm clueless about a few things.
1. I know there's the tolerance thing, but I don't know if I can play that card since it's already such a low dose and frequency I don't know if a tolerance build up would occur. And since I don't take them as rx'd, but snort them in half the time I'm supposed to swallow them, I can't tell firsthand if one would get a tolerance build up.
2. The doc says at each visit "so the oxycontin is still helping?" and I say "yep," since I don't want to mess with a good thing. But is he asking whether I need a dose increase??? I just don't want to say "well I think my tolerance is going up," and for him to say "well in that case maybe we should try a different medication."

I don't really care if I get an increase, but for my friends' sake it'd be nice. How would you guys play it if you wanted an increase?

[recoveringhereon]

In my opinion it would depend on how long you've been on the dose your at. I'd say wait a month or so and tell him your migranes are starting to come back or something. I haven't ever gotten dopesick or had any tolerance to oxys when i used to do them. But with heroine the tolerance develops fast as a jackrabbit on speed. At first you'll get hih off of 10 dollars worth of dope, that would be almost a tenth of tar or a good china pill. then the next thing you know in a few days the tenth aint doing what it used to and you gotta do 20s, then you can't nod unless you shot a 50 piece of tar which is damn near a whole 1cc rig full.

So i'm guessing the tolerance with oxys would be a little less severe but i'd say after a while you start telling him some similar symptoms as you had after a month, then you should get on 20 mg oxys then after a month or so do the same. But i've heard of people trying to go up or switch meds that are addictive and the doctors might try to detox you or something.
Opiate withdrawel aint no punk, If i had the chance to do it over again i wouldnt use opiates daily, and i probably wouldn't have to wait in the methadone clinic line every day. HEroine withdrawel is the only thing in my life that i act like a bitch with, the only thing i aint been able to get off of.
So im at the age of 19 right now, been on methadone for over a year and been a heroine addict for 4years or more. I dont want to sound like im preaching, but withdrawel from opiates is about the worst feeling in the world. So when your up to 40 mg remember that.

There's people at the methadone clinic for oxycontin addiction and percocet i've heard of. Some people have the disease of addiction and some dont, i guess you just gotta know yourself and how you are with getting high.

[burnabowl]

thanks. I'm not interested in a dose increase for my own use, though. I don't get addicted to opiates. the more I do the less I want. I don't even want more than 16 20mg. that would give me enough for my own use and enough to give away the amount that I want to friends.

I can't just say that the headaches are coming back, because they have never left. It would have to be something like "the oxys don't seem to last as long as they did before," or they don't get to the pain as well. But I don't know if that would work only having had 16 10mg every 4 weeks. Like I said I don't use all of them myself and I don't use them as prescribed, so I don't know firsthand if someone can get tolerance buildup from just 16 10mg every 4 weeks

[sam&ella]

... I don't get addicted to opiates.

famous last words? lol

[burnabowl]

haha yeah I know it sounds ridiculous, but most people who have opiates do not get addicted. we just don't hear about them because they don't draw attention to themselves. But anyway, I say it proudly, I don't get addicted to opiates. If I wasn't hooked on weed maybe I'd have more time for an opie addiction though heh

[Oxyrisin]

thanks. I'm not interested in a dose increase for my own use, though. I don't get addicted to opiates. the more I do the less I want. I don't even want more than 16 20mg. that would give me enough for my own use and enough to give away the amount that I want to friends.

I can't just say that the headaches are coming back, because they have never left. It would have to be something like "the oxys don't seem to last as long as they did before," or they don't get to the pain as well. But I don't know if that would work only having had 16 10mg every 4 weeks. Like I said I don't use all of them myself and I don't use them as prescribed, so I don't know firsthand if someone can get tolerance buildup from just 16 10mg every 4 weeks
Hey Burn,
How the hell you been,I haven't seen you lately..
Let me tell you what my PM Doc. told me. He said that when people come in to him and tell him every other month that there pills aren't working good enough, He knows that they are starting to abuse them..
If you take your meds as prescribed they should be effective for a long time..
He told me this and I said thanks for the advise.. So I let him up my dose when he wants to.
I've been seeing him for 3 years now. I started on 1 20mg oxy a day and 7 Norcos. After year 2 He uped me to 2 20mg oxys a day and the same Norcos. At year 3 he just uped me to 3 20mg Oxys a day and the same Norcos..
I am thank full for what he gives me and after what he told me There is no way I'm going to ask him to up my doses. HAHA
He did ask me this last time how my meds were working for me and I told him there working ok but I told him I was starting to get a stomach ache once in awhile from my Norcos, I was hoping to get changed to Percs. HAHA Fuck didn't work, instead we talked about my addiction and how sobriety was working for me and I told him I was doing great..
So what did he do? He gave me another Oxy 20 a day LOL...
He told me he is starting to loose patients because they keep coming in every 3 or 4 months wanting more, and he saiys they come in all fucked up saying man doc these just ain't cutting it HAHA.
So my best advise to you is tread slowely, you know how he is and what is right for you..
And Fuck your friends why would you want to risk getting more for your friends and lose everything.. Tell them to get there own Doc.. HAHA
PEASE