Hipforums Liberal?

[jimaug87]

Is everyone that visits Hipforums a liberal?

I don't think I've every come across anybody with a conservative midset.

[Autentique]

I have, I just cant remember any specific names, but I'm sure they are there.

[Jadesmom810]

Yea I have too. I don't think there are too many, but when they do come out they sting.

[mr.greenxxx]

call me stupid but i dont understand what liberal or conservative are. im guessing liberals want change, conservatives want things to stay as they are. allthough i think my guess is wrong.

[maddhatter]

well when speaking of government, yeah that would be right. when speaking of your own personal beliefs, its more like conservatives are the suit and tie, clean shaven, type people. liberals are more towards the hippie side where they believe most things should be accepted, like drug use, same sex marriage, and lots of other issues.

[edyb123]

extreme liberalism - do whatever the fuck you want
extreme conservatism - fuck imigrants, gays, drugs etc

[mr.greenxxx]

im an extreme libarist with a clean shave, nice suit, no tie.

[tmmoran0302]

I'm a conservative. :)

[swazo]

Registered liberal for 1 year now.

Fuck the tories and fuck Harper.

[makesmomcry420]

i consider myself a liberal republican

vote ron paul 08!!

[jusdino4it]

yeah thats the other way to describe it. Preatty much a liberal=democratic party, and conservative=republican party.

[WanderingSoul]

There are definitely some conservatives on here. I guess they're here because of the free speech.

[BraveSirRubin]

I am balanced and level headed.

Which makes me pretty moderate when it comes to politics. I think that most liberals and conservatives are complete idiots.

But yet again, I also have no belief in this political system and don't really think that voting for a president makes any difference... so, it doesn't really matter.

[scratcho]

pepik,m.savage.

[Alaxsxa]

yeah thats the other way to describe it. Preatty much a liberal=democratic party, and conservative=republican party.Not at all. I know many democrats, have volunteered for the local democratic party and the democrats are not liberal at all. If you have seen the futurama episode where twins are running for president of the world then that is exactly how it is today. The democrats and republicans can be very partisan and differ on issues but they are still very conservative.

[Jadesmom810]

i consider myself a liberal republican

vote ron paul 08!!
Liberal republican, Ron Paul.... Grotesque

I bet you're parent's are republicans.. That's usually how it goes anyway. I grew up in a pretty liberal democratic household. Blue collar all the way, and I still feel the same.

[zen_arcade]

fuck left & right. I call the shots as I see them, but I'm a nihilist and usually couldn't care less anyway. I think aligning yourself with any particular idealogy is idiotic, because both sides are full of morons and it just ends up being a block on anything you could think for yourself in the first place. some people like being another ripple in the tide and dig thinking in lockstep, but it isn't for me. anyway, left and right are much the same upon close inspection.

personally, I think politics are redundant. the system is parasitic and corrupt anyway you look at it, and anarchy is just as bad (even though I endorse it more than a state). there really is no such thing as a perfect system, since ultimately one person will profit off of another. this isn't just human nature, it's nature.

[makesmomcry420]

Liberal republican, Ron Paul.... Grotesque

I bet you're parent's are republicans.. That's usually how it goes anyway. I grew up in a pretty liberal democratic household. Blue collar all the way, and I still feel the same.well to tell the truth "liberal republican" just seems to be a contradiction, just like me, and you guessed it my parents are hoplessly fundamentalist christian conservative republicans (would probably vote bush in again if he was running) and i hate it because they follow whatever rush douchebag limbaug says. and the only reason im voting paul is cause he has some great iddeas that can change this country for the better, although i doubt the corporations will let him win. besides if he doesnt make it past the primary, im voting democrat(although id rather vote obama than hillary)

[zen_arcade]

I'll side with Mark Twain on this one: the person best fit to be president is the one who would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Oval Office. I disagree with a lot of R Paul's platforms, as well as personal convictions. I think I'd like him presiding over this country more than most other candidates, even though it doesn't matter since he'd be assassinated shortly after becoming president and he won't win anyway.

better yet, I'd like a mushroom cloud to preside over the country.

[Alaxsxa]

fuck left & right. I call the shots as I see them, but I'm a nihilist and usually couldn't care less anyway. I think aligning yourself with any particular idealogy is idiotic, because both sides are full of morons and it just ends up being a block on anything you could think for yourself in the first place. some people like being another ripple in the tide and dig thinking in lockstep, but it isn't for me. anyway, left and right are much the same upon close inspection.

personally, I think politics are redundant. the system is parasitic and corrupt anyway you look at it, and anarchy is just as bad (even though I endorse it more than a state). there really is no such thing as a perfect system, since ultimately one person will profit off of another. this isn't just human nature, it's nature.Why is anarchy just as bad as the current government?

well to tell the truth "liberal republican" just seems to be a contradiction, just like me, and you guessed it my parents are hoplessly fundamentalist christian conservative republicans (would probably vote bush in again if he was running) and i hate it because they follow whatever rush douchebag limbaug says. and the only reason im voting paul is cause he has some great iddeas that can change this country for the better, although i doubt the corporations will let him win. besides if he doesnt make it past the primary, im voting democrat(although id rather vote obama than hillary)Ron Paul is far from liberal. He is more closely a classical libertarian. If Ron Paul doesnt win the primary then maybe you should look more closely at third parties because I guarantee if you are a true libertarian you will not be happy with a moderate democrat or republican.

[BraveSirRubin]

better yet, I'd like a mushroom cloud to preside over the country.I'm intrigued by that idea.

[skierdood]

Im liberal when it comes to human rights but somewhat conservative in politics surrounding financial issues. But basically I vote for whoever I agree with the most I dont really stick to the parties.

[smokindude]

I consider myself...myself. I have different personal opinions towards everything(Im sure you guys do to) so i cant really classify myself as one or the other. I was raised a hardcore republican in a Christian home, even though my parents used to do drugs they still brought me up on the beliefs they were to hypocritical to practice themselves. My grandparents played a huge roll, too. Example..i don't believe gay marriage should be legal, but i also accept gay people for who they are(even though its hard) and believe they have the right to be with each other if they want to.

[zen_arcade]

Why is anarchy just as bad as the current government?


well, I like anarchy in theory, but it just can't happen. it runs counter to human nature. states would inevitably form again, unless there were some power enforcing anarchy. you know, another government. anarchy doesn't even exist in the wild, animals (especially mammals, I believe) will naturally develop a class system and establish hierarchy. besides, do you think people would just give up the entire concept of a faith-based currency system?

I know a lot of people entertain lofty notions about humanity, but we're animals just like all the others. we're wired for conquest and breeding.

[lune]

I don't disagree with even one of Ron Paul's policies.

[zen_arcade]

I consider myself...myself. I have different personal opinions towards everything(Im sure you guys do to) so i cant really classify myself as one or the other. I was raised a hardcore republican in a Christian home, even though my parents used to do drugs they still brought me up on the beliefs they were to hypocritical to practice themselves. My grandparents played a huge roll, too. Example..i don't believe gay marriage should be legal, but i also accept gay people for who they are(even though its hard) and believe they have the right to be with each other if they want to.

so what's the problem with gay marriage? because it "violates the marital institution"?

[smokindude]

Nope. Because its just not fair for an adopted child to have openly gay parents for the rest of their life when its not socially accepted by so many people, causing bullying and torment that could change that child's life forever. Also, it isn't normal to be gay. So when these gay parents raise these children that way and have no choice to accept their lifestyle, these children will be brought up to be a homosexual when gay people claim it has to do with genes and whatnot...thus causing children to be a homosexual out of instinct. Believe me, if a kid had a choice to be gay or straight their whole life they would choose to be straight. So why let these parents choose their sexual preference for them just because THEY think homosexuality is normal.

Idk..thats just what i believe in search for a better world.

[zen_arcade]

oh man. what are you, some crypto nazi?

hey, maybe you're right! if gay people stopped raising kids, maybe no one would "learn" to be gay and the world would be 100% heterosexual after all the people alive now die out. then everyone can be normal! :D

[BraveSirRubin]

oh man. what are you, some crypto nazi?

hey, maybe you're right! if gay people stopped raising kids, maybe no one would "learn" to be gay and the world would be 100% heterosexual after all the people alive now die out. then everyone can be normal! :DAww... give him a break...

He's probably gay himself, and he's just having a very tough time dealing with it.

[makesmomcry420]

no, i see where smokindude is coming from, even though i couldnt care less what gay ppl do with their lives, i do know that kids are cruel as fuck, giving kids one more thing to torture another kid for isnt good for healthy developement. but still kids in hetero families end up gay all the time, so yea it doesnt matter anyway

[BraveSirRubin]

no, i see where smokindude is coming from, even though i couldnt care less what gay ppl do with their lives, i do know that kids are cruel as fuck, giving kids one more thing to torture another kid for isnt good for healthy developement. but still kids in hetero families end up gay all the time, so yea it doesnt matter anywayBeing gay is getting more and more socially acceptable by the second.

Plus, worst case scenario... kids do make fun of a kid with gay parents... it might just build some character in him.

[smokindude]

I said that because most of all the gay people ive ever met said they couldn't help it and would be heterosexual if they could..CAUSE THEY WANT TO BE NORMAL. Im not gay, but i mean CMON if you had the choice when you were born to be gay or straight, what would you choose?

Does anyone get the point im trying to make?

And BraveSirRuben..i laugh at your attempt to get me offended by your words in hope to get me to waist my time by trying to offend you.......over the internet.

[zen_arcade]

definitly.

homosexuality is stigmatized, so the solution is to further the stigma. quaint.

[skamikaze]

fuck politics. Fuck Liberals. Fuck Conservatives. Govern your own life.

[zen_arcade]

I said that because most of all the gay people ive ever met said they couldn't help it and would be heterosexual if they could..CAUSE THEY WANT TO BE NORMAL. Im not gay, but i mean CMON if you had the choice when you were born to be gay or straight, what would you choose?

Does anyone get the point im trying to make?

And BraveSirRuben..i laugh at your attempt to get me offended by your words in hope to get me to waist my time by trying to offend you.......over the internet.

I get your point, but it isn't a choice. and I still don't understand why a child raised by gay parents would be gay themself.

[Alaxsxa]

I am balanced and level headed.

Which makes me pretty moderate when it comes to politics. I think that most liberals and conservatives are complete idiots.

But yet again, I also have no belief in this political system and don't really think that voting for a president makes any difference... so, it doesn't really matter."Politics is the art of controlling your environment. That is one of the key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way. Anybody who thinks that 'it doesn't matter who's President' has never been Drafted and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of the World — or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public property — or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons — or locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access and twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will wish you had voted."
-Hunter S. Thompson

[BraveSirRubin]

Who ever said that being straight is "normal". Hell, who can even prove that there is such a thing as 100% straight or 100% gay?

...and most importantly... why the hell would you want to conform to this idiotic society's standard of "normal".

You smoke pot, that's not normal there man... betta quit if you want to be accepted by your peers and shit.

Plus... I have never met a gay person who wishes he was straight... but I guess that I just hang out with people who know how to accept themselves for who they are.

"Politics is the art of controlling your environment. That is one of the key things I learned in these years, and I learned it the hard way. Anybody who thinks that 'it doesn't matter who's President' has never been Drafted and sent off to fight and die in a vicious, stupid War on the other side of the World — or been beaten and gassed by Police for trespassing on public property — or been hounded by the IRS for purely political reasons — or locked up in the Cook County Jail with a broken nose and no phone access and twelve perverts wanting to stomp your ass in the shower. That is when it matters who is President or Governor or Police Chief. That is when you will wish you had voted."
-Hunter S. ThompsonAll I'm saying is that no matter who you vote for, one of the two top candidates will win anyhow because the majority of the population is extremely stupid... and since those two candidates are pretty much the same thing... it doesn't matter.

[makesmomcry420]

i love it when ppl let quotes burn ppl for them, nice

[zen_arcade]

Who ever said that being straight is "normal". Hell, who can even prove that there is such a thing as 100% straight or 100% gay?

...and most importantly... why the hell would you want to conform to this idiotic society's standard of "normal".

You smoke pot, that's not normal there man... betta quit if you want to be accepted by your peers and shit.

Plus... I have never met a gay person who wishes he was straight... but I guess that I just hang out with people who know how to accept themselves for who they are.

All I'm saying is that no matter who you vote for, one of the two top candidates will win anyhow because the majority of the population is extremely stupid... and since those two candidates are pretty much the same thing... it doesn't matter.

like a file cabnet slamming shut. perfect.

[smokindude]

Im not saying every child raised by gay parents would be gay. Im saying that alot more children would become gay JUST because they were raised(at a young age) to think homosexuality is either normal or how everyone is meant to be, just because there parents believe it and enforce it. So now children are becoming gay because there raised in that lifestyle/environment, instead of just being gay because thats the way they were born.

[mr.greenxxx]

i just think people should make choices in theyre life themselves, not from what government says, not what propaganda says, not what god says. as long as it doesnt intefere with other people, or hurt them - imo its fine. legal drugs would lessen the overpopulation problem by loads.

[smokindude]

Enough with your smoking pot analogy Rubin, it has no meaning here.

Who ever said that being straight is "normal". Hell, who can even prove that there is such a thing as 100% straight or 100% gay?

...and most importantly... why the hell would you want to conform to this idiotic society's standard of "normal"."

Being straight IS

[BraveSirRubin]

I'd go gay for Zen_Arcade.


...and smokindude, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life. Not only is it completely ignorant, but you also have 0 evidence to base those claims upon.

[BraveSirRubin]

Who told you that being straight is "normal".

Jesus or Bill O'Reilly?

[Alaxsxa]

Im not saying every child raised by gay parents would be gay. Im saying that alot more children would become gay JUST because they were raised(at a young age) to think homosexuality is either normal or how everyone is meant to be, just because there parents believe it and enforce it. So now children are becoming gay because there raised in that lifestyle/environment, instead of just being gay because thats the way they were born.Does that mean it is ok for straight parents to teach their kids that heterosexuality is normal/how everyone is meant to be?

[smokindude]

Enough with your smoking pot analogy Rubin, it has no meaning here.

Who ever said that being straight is "normal". Hell, who can even prove that there is such a thing as 100% straight or 100% gay?

...and most importantly... why the hell would you want to conform to this idiotic society's standard of "normal"."

Being straight IS normal. Its just that being gay isn't uncommon. How can you even argue that? And this "idiotic societies standard of normal" is enough to drive any child to suicide or serial killing who gets tormented everyday for being gay. So why make anyone go through this if it can be potentially prevented?

Put yourself in the shoes of a child who drops out of school and becomes an all out loser just because he couldn't handle the torture of getting his ass kicked everyday in school just because he or his parents happened to be gay. The point is no matter what, homosexuality has a VERY big chance of ruining someones life because of this society we live in, sad to say. Sorry if i wouldn't want a brain that could potentially change the world to go to a waist due to being a helpless victim tormented over homosexuality in some way. That being said.. for now, we should help prevent children from becoming gay(like not allowing gay marriage/gay adoption) while trying to help the ones that are gay to be accepted by society so they can live comfortably as possible to enjoy this planet to the fullest.

[zen_arcade]

I guess it's a matter of aesthetics. I'd rather take a beating than try to be something I'm not. besides, kids give other kids a hard time when they're young. if it's not gay parents, it's about having disgusting eating habits, speaking with a stutter or being overweight. someone is always going to be bullied for something.

I honestly wish there were more queers running around. there'd be more bitches to fuck.

[BraveSirRubin]

How can I argue that being straight is normal and being gay is not? Easily.

I don't see anyone being tormented or committing suicide over being gay.

Hopefully your eyes will open up after you get out of whatever redneck dump you live in where you see gay people getting their ass kicked everyday.

How the hell will a child become gay just because his parents are gay? It's not like people choose to be gay. Even if the kid tries out the gay thing... he'll just realize that he isn't... it's that simply. You know that you're straight right? It's something that you know... same thing with gay people, they know that they are gay.

Some gay people just try to deny it and compensate by purchasing expensive convertibles and owning huge gun collections.

I don't see a single reason why we should prevent people from being gay. I would actually like to see crimes against gay people labeled as "hate crimes". That would lead to something positive.

I am glad that you at least show some acceptance towards gay people... but you still have lots of growin' to do, kiddo.

[smokindude]

Does that mean it is ok for straight parents to teach their kids that heterosexuality is normal/how everyone is meant to be?

Yes. Because i believe it is how everyone is meant to be, because boys have dicks and girls have vagina's for a reason. To reproduce. So with that evidence, i will go as far to say i personally believe everyone was meant to be straight.

[digitalldj]

Conservative here

it's better for keeping more of my money :P

[lune]

Smokingdude, your argument is null. Homosexuality is decided almost entirely at the GENETIC level, it's not a choice, it's innate, and it's not a result of the environment one is raised in. You are either born straight, or born gay. Having gay parents has absolutely nothing to do with making children either straight or gay.

I'd much rather have gay parents than be put through the foster system.

[zen_arcade]

Does that mean it is ok for straight parents to teach their kids that heterosexuality is normal/how everyone is meant to be?

Yes. Because i believe it is how everyone is meant to be, because boys have dicks and girls have vagina's for a reason. To reproduce. So with that evidence, i will go as far to say i personally believe everyone was meant to be straight.

cute.

so I take it you don't choke the bishop and spill the seed that was designed to impregnate a wench? all that semen was MEANT for something, that's why you (probably) have it. would you use condoms? what about getting jerked or sucked off?

[zen_arcade]

Conservative here


as if there could be any doubt. :tongue:

[smokindude]

"How the hell will a child become gay just because his parents are gay?"

How does a child grow up thinking a certain religion is the right one? Because thats how there brought up. I believe homosexuality isn't only just a screw up in the genes..but also could be a decision, depending how you were raised(my point). In other words, i believe you can turn the average child into a homosexual if he/she were raised a certain way.

And to defend myself on your point of "knowing" if your gay or not, i think children can be mislead and tricked into truly believing homosexuality is normal, causing a change of deception of ones own sexual attraction towards the same sex.

[BraveSirRubin]

"How the hell will a child become gay just because his parents are gay?"

How does a child grow up thinking a certain religion is the right one? Because thats how there brought up. I believe homosexuality isn't only just a screw up in the genes..but also could be a decision, depending how you were raised(my point). In other words, i believe you can turn the average child into a homosexual if he/she were raised a certain way.[quote]

Like I said, that's just your pointless opinion. You cannot back that claim up. There isn't enough evidence out there that shows that people become gay if they are raised by gay people. Hell, there probably isn't ANY evidence of that out there. Your claim is completely ridiculous.

There is a lot of evidence for it being genetic though.

Plus, do you really think that a gay couple will raise their child to be gay? That's also pretty damn ridiculous.

[quote]
And to defend myself on your point of "knowing" if your gay or not, i think children can be mislead and tricked into truly believing homosexuality is normal, causing a change of deception of ones own sexual attraction towards the same sex.You mistake "deception" with "being told the truth".

I hope that you grow up, otherwise... I pity your kids.

[WanderingSoul]

I hate it when these young teenagers try to come in and act like they know it all. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/pissedoff.gif

[smokindude]

"In summary, the answer is " I DON'T KNOW, YET". Being homosexual may be genetic, it may have something to do with the environment in which someone is raised, but most likely a combination of many genes and environment.
It will take many many more years before a definite answer can be given."

"www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1997-08/862927470.Ge.r.html - 14k -"


If i knew my child was gay at birth due to some genetic mixup i would want to turn him straight. Call me crazy..

[zen_arcade]

whatever. smokindude obviously lets the consensus do his thinking for him. this has been obvious for a long time.

can't say I blame him, though. I probably wasn't all that different 6 or 7 years ago.

[BraveSirRubin]

Not crazy.

Just ignorant.

[BraveSirRubin]

can't say I blame him, though. I probably wasn't all that different 6 or 7 years ago.Man... I would repreatedly punch myself in the face everyday if I realized that I was like that when I was 16.

[jusdino4it]

Nope. Because its just not fair for an adopted child to have openly gay parents for the rest of their life when its not socially accepted by so many people, causing bullying and torment that could change that child's life forever. Also, it isn't normal to be gay. So when these gay parents raise these children that way and have no choice to accept their lifestyle, these children will be brought up to be a homosexual when gay people claim it has to do with genes and whatnot...thus causing children to be a homosexual out of instinct. Believe me, if a kid had a choice to be gay or straight their whole life they would choose to be straight. So why let these parents choose their sexual preference for them just because THEY think homosexuality is normal.

Idk..thats just what i believe in search for a better world.


Wow, im not blaming you, because you obviously have only been taught one side of things, but you are incredably ignorant on this subject. I know 5 kids from 3 families whos parent are openly gay. Two with two dads and one with two moms. Not once of them has ever had a problem with teasing, at least no more than any other kid being teased for being short, acne covered, dumb, scrawny or any other thing that they cant control either. If kids want to tease you, they will find somthing, even if there is nothing there.

And not one of them is gay. Two are married (to the opposite sex), two are full grown and in college and have had many relationships with members of the opposite sex. And one is a junior in highschool and he has been dating a girl for over two years.

Give me evidence that kids raised by gay parents are statistily more likely to be gay, and i will respect that statment you made.

[WanderingSoul]

He's not thinking for himself. He thinks he is, but he's not.

[smokindude]

"I hate it when these young teenagers try to come in and act like they know it all."

The point is...WE DONT KNOW. But i do know living in our day and age that being gay wouldnt be fun for anyone to grow up dealing with. Maybe adults like you forget what its like to be a kid, and how much something someone says or do can negatively impact your life forever. Im just saying to all the gays that are lucky enough that dont get made fun of or tormented, then im happy for you. For the kids that do HATE LIFE and want to die because the name calling and beatdowns, i feel for you and just hate to see you go through that. The point of the argument is to try preventing homosexuality ONLY for the sake of the innocent ones that never had a choice, or a chance.

[BraveSirRubin]

Boston must be a rough town. :D

[smokindude]

"I know 5 kids from 3 families whos parent are openly gay. Two with two dads and one with two moms. Not once of them has ever had a problem with teasing"

Then YOU my friend have only been taught one side of things.

[BraveSirRubin]

Honestly though.

I go to college in Arkansas. I have friends who have been disowned for being gay, but they still maintain their identity.

You need to get out and about kiddo, see that world... and notice that it's just worth being yourself.

[Alaxsxa]

He's not thinking for himself. He thinks he is, but he's not.Does anyone think for themselves? Sure people can change words around but after thousands of years of modern human life wouldnt most archetypes be well used?

[zen_arcade]

Man... I would repreatedly punch myself in the face everyday if I realized that I was like that when I was 16.

well I wasn't like that , I was probably just dumb about something else. I was always a very tolerant child.

I pretty much do physically punish myself daily, but I try to find more pleasant ways of doing it than punching myself in the face.

[WanderingSoul]

"I hate it when these young teenagers try to come in and act like they know it all."

The point is...WE DONT KNOW. But i do know living in our day and age that being gay wouldnt be fun for anyone to grow up dealing with. Maybe adults like you forget what its like to be a kid, and how much something someone says or do can negatively impact your life forever. Im just saying to all the gays that are lucky enough that dont get made fun of or tormented, then im happy for you. For the kids that do HATE LIFE and want to die because the name calling and beatdowns, i feel for you and just hate to see you go through that. The point of the argument is to try preventing homosexuality ONLY for the sake of the innocent ones that never had a choice, or a chance.I'm sort of gay... bisexual, and I promise, I do not hate my life, at least not for those reasons. I have way more problems than just liking girls. :rolleyes:
So shut up, ya dumb kid.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/1/set1_b/stupid.gif

You don't have to feel sorry for ME.

[BraveSirRubin]

Yeah, I know what you mean. We've all been stupid about something... but there is a limit to stupidity.

[BraveSirRubin]

Hah... I bet that he has never seen two girls get it on either... because it's "unnatural".

Missing out kiddo, missing out :D

[WanderingSoul]

"I hate it when these young teenagers try to come in and act like they know it all."

The point is...WE DONT KNOW. But i do know living in our day and age that being gay wouldnt be fun for anyone to grow up dealing with. Maybe adults like you forget what its like to be a kid, and how much something someone says or do can negatively impact your life forever. Im just saying to all the gays that are lucky enough that dont get made fun of or tormented, then im happy for you. For the kids that do HATE LIFE and want to die because the name calling and beatdowns, i feel for you and just hate to see you go through that. The point of the argument is to try preventing homosexuality ONLY for the sake of the innocent ones that never had a choice, or a chance.It's because of people like you that some gay people are so insecure. Most of them do not hate themselves for it, they LIKE being gay. They just hate that so many people like you treat them so badly for it.

[zen_arcade]

oh, this reminds me. Pavel, do you still have the link to that Westboro Baptist Church website with all those great songs? I forgot what thread you posted it in.

[BraveSirRubin]

My internet is fuckin' up a bit... but the website is

www.godhatesfags.com

It's pretty easy to find the audio section.

A friend of mine actually has Fred Phells' phone number... they gave it out on a website after someone found it out. We tried calling a couple of times... he wouldn't answer.

[zen_arcade]

hahaha.

let's just say Phelps likes vacationing on Fire Island. and, uh, he likes roller skating if you know what I'm saying.

thanks for the link. I've actually been to that site before, come to think of it.

[BraveSirRubin]

It's a great site.

I made it my homepage in college, brought my laptop to class, and make sure to sit in the front of the class while I played videos on mute. I got so many strange looks... it was awesome :D

[jusdino4it]

"How the hell will a child become gay just because his parents are gay?"

How does a child grow up thinking a certain religion is the right one? Because thats how there brought up. I believe homosexuality isn't only just a screw up in the genes..but also could be a decision, depending how you were raised(my point). In other words, i believe you can turn the average child into a homosexual if he/she were raised a certain way.

And to defend myself on your point of "knowing" if your gay or not, i think children can be mislead and tricked into truly believing homosexuality is normal, causing a change of deception of ones own sexual attraction towards the same sex.

The fact is, that being straight is scientificly normal. Thats why two people of the same sex cant have sex. We are supposed to be heterosexual. With that said, its is in no way a dessicion to be gay or not, and is in fact genetic. Humans evolve. And just like height, intelagince, or any other herititary trait, there can be genetic mutations, that cause these things to become a normality. If it is a question of upbringing and its in the mind, please explain to me why there have been so many cases of gay animals?

[WanderingSoul]

^ A lot of people of the same sex manage to fuck each other. ^ :rolleyes:

[makesmomcry420]

I'm sort of gay... bisexual, and I promise, I do not hate my life, at least not for those reasons. I have way more problems than just liking girls. :rolleyes:
So shut up, ya dumb kid.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/1/set1_b/stupid.gif

You don't have to feel sorry for ME.not to be a jerk but u completely missed the point he was trying to make. sure you dont hate yourself, but there are alot of kids that do. not necessarily just bbecause they're gay, but (for instance) being overwheight. like me, when i was younger i had a wheight problem, and i hated myself for it, now i have lost my wheight and feel better about myself, so just because you never had a self esteem issues doesnt leave out the possibility that others do.

besides your bi, so at least you have the option of liking the opposite sex, full on gay ppl dont have that option, understand?

[Jadesmom810]

Nope. Because its just not fair for an adopted child to have openly gay parents for the rest of their life when its not socially accepted by so many people, causing bullying and torment that could change that child's life forever. Also, it isn't normal to be gay. So when these gay parents raise these children that way and have no choice to accept their lifestyle, these children will be brought up to be a homosexual when gay people claim it has to do with genes and whatnot...thus causing children to be a homosexual out of instinct. Believe me, if a kid had a choice to be gay or straight their whole life they would choose to be straight. So why let these parents choose their sexual preference for them just because THEY think homosexuality is normal.

Idk..thats just what i believe in search for a better world.
Don't be so ignorant. I believe that there is hope for the world, and people will keep evolving into their open minded enlightened minds.

I highly doubt someone would make fun of a child living with 2 gay parent's. Maybe a tease once in awhile, but they wouldn't hurt the person over it.

And you also think that they will be brought up gay????

You really are ignorant. Get a clue before you say something like that.

[Jadesmom810]

The fact is, that being straight is scientificly normal. Thats why two people of the same sex cant have sex. We are supposed to be heterosexual. With that said, its is in no way a dessicion to be gay or not, and is in fact genetic. Humans evolve. And just like height, intelagince, or any other herititary trait, there can be genetic mutations, that cause these things to become a normality. If it is a question of upbringing and its in the mind, please explain to me why there have been so many cases of gay animals?
Couldn't have said it better myself.

[mr.greenxxx]

so its a case of genetic mutatants?

[makesmomcry420]

ok i watched only one of those videos explaining the signs (thank god for IED's) and throughout the whole thing the only thing i could say was "what the FUCK is wrong with these ppl?"

if there is a hell, they are heading straight to the bottom

[Alaxsxa]

so its a case of genetic mutatants?I think it very well could be something like that but that means natural selection could wipe out homosexuality (as well as heterosexuality because that would then be a mutation as well). But that hasnt happened yet and evidence of homosexuality goes back a long time. I don't think it should matter how sexuality is determined though. It is what it is.

[WanderingSoul]

not to be a jerk but u completely missed the point he was trying to make. sure you dont hate yourself, but there are alot of kids that do. not necessarily just bbecause they're gay, but (for instance) being overwheight. like me, when i was younger i had a wheight problem, and i hated myself for it, now i have lost my wheight and feel better about myself, so just because you never had a self esteem issues doesnt leave out the possibility that others do.

besides your bi, so at least you have the option of liking the opposite sex, full on gay ppl dont have that option, understand?I have had self-esteem issues, like any woman, but not about being bi.

Maybe I did miss the point. It was a lot of posts to read. Still, he's wrong to say people shouldn't be gay because society can't accept them.

[WanderingSoul]

I think it very well could be something like that but that means natural selection could wipe out homosexuality (as well as heterosexuality because that would then be a mutation as well). But that hasnt happened yet and evidence of homosexuality goes back a long time. I don't think it should matter how sexuality is determined though. It is what it is.That's bullshit. Genetic mutation my ass. Homosexuality is not just about sex, just like heterosexuality is not just about sex or making babies. Sometimes, one just falls in love with that person for who he or she is. You must know there are many ways to have sex other than intercourse.

Homosexuality has been around as long as hetero. If you watched "The history of sex" on the history channel you would find that there were a lot of homosexuals in America before the Victorians came. Their puritan beliefs were forced on the natives and hetero then became the norm.

The tribes women would marry men for children (and perhaps for love), and develop loving relationships with their fellow women. No one thought anything of it until the Victorians discouraged this and eventually "civilized" these tribes, as a result, wiping out their culture.

[jusdino4it]

"I know 5 kids from 3 families whos parent are openly gay. Two with two dads and one with two moms. Not once of them has ever had a problem with teasing"

Then YOU my friend have only been taught one side of things.


Ummm, no. Thats called real world experiance....not a story. You have no evidence to back up your statements. I have evidence. 5 out of 5 that i know are straight. Its not like a go around and only introduce myself to people who are gay but have straight kids. As a matter of fact, I or my parents have known all of those mentioned since pre-pubesence.


Educate Yourself, and dont make statments you cant back up. (http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgparenting.pdf) Read pages 8-12

[edyb123]

The fact is, that being straight is scientificly normal. Thats why two people of the same sex cant have sex. We are supposed to be heterosexual. With that said, its is in no way a dessicion to be gay or not, and is in fact genetic. Humans evolve. And just like height, intelagince, or any other herititary trait, there can be genetic mutations, that cause these things to become a normality. If it is a question of upbringing and its in the mind, please explain to me why there have been so many cases of gay animals?This is not true.

Science doesn't dictate how things should be. It just says what is. It observes what is, and tells us why it happens.

There is nothing more normal about the fertilization of an egg by sperm then there is a man releasing his sperm in other places (not to be crude) whether it be scientific norm or moral norm.

Just because the male and female reproductive organs fit together well doesn't have anything to do with them being made 'for' that, or with that purpose. They have just evolved to be like that.

[Alaxsxa]

That's bullshit. Genetic mutation my ass. Homosexuality is not just about sex, just like heterosexuality is not just about sex or making babies. Sometimes, one just falls in love with that person for who he or she is. You must know there are many ways to have sex other than intercourse.

Homosexuality has been around as long as hetero. If you watched "The history of sex" on the history channel you would find that there were a lot of homosexuals in America before the Victorians came. Their puritan beliefs were forced on the natives and hetero then became the norm.

The tribes women would marry men for children (and perhaps for love), and develop loving relationships with their fellow women. No one thought anything of it until the Victorians discouraged this and eventually "civilized" these tribes, as a result, wiping out their culture.I did know that homosexuality existed in the Americas hundreds of years ago. It is just a shame that the Victorian era wasnt until the 1800s. It was the spanish that discovered this practice in the Americas (in our current record, it is possible earlier people found this practice in the Americas first).

[WanderingSoul]

I didn't say they discovered it. I just want to know why you hate gays?

[smokindude]

"You have no evidence to back up your statements. I have evidence. 5 out of 5 that i know are straight."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1873278.ece

I could give more links and personal stories of myself witnessing kids get beat down for being gay. We have to have 3 assemblies a year in school for it because its such a big issue. Its sad how you claim gay kids don't get made fun or get beat up just for being that way, just because YOU(1 person)..YOURSELF havent seen it yet in your petty life, and your ignorant enough say it never happens?

Wheres your evidence again? Because i thought i read a story from you, not real EVIDENCE. hmm



And for all you out there trying to say that genetics is the ONLY way to become gay, i laugh at you because scientists havent proved it. So dont act like you know everything when nobody knows.

jusdino4it...i hope your attempt to make yourself feel more secure about yourself over the internet by posting that link to "educate myself.." just completely backfired on you. You tried though.

"I have evidence. 5 out of 5 that I [key word "i".. LMFAO] know are straight."- Wise words from jusdino4it....

[BraveSirRubin]

Drop it kiddo, before you make yourself sound like a complete moron.

[smokindude]

Link proving that theres been no proof of genetics only being the reason for homosexuality.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-02-07-gay-teens-QnA_x.htm

" Q: What causes homosexuality?

A: We don't have a complete answer yet, and it's not likely to be just one cause, says Stephanie Sanders, associate director of the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction.

There's evidence that genes may play a role, but genetic studies find that many gay twins have heterosexual twin siblings even though they share 100% of their genes. "

[zen_arcade]

Drop it kiddo, before you make yourself sound like a complete moron.

might be a bit late for that.

[BraveSirRubin]

Good point.

All the links in the world won't help him now.

[smokindude]

The bottom line is homosexuality isn't normal..and when i say normal that means NATURAL. Now that we know being gay isnt JUST from genetics, but ON SOME DIFFERENT OCCASION it could be caused by the personal experiences someone goes through/been through, so when jusdino4it claims homosexuality is only from genetics, i laugh to myself. Just use google to prove yourself wrong nextime instead of making me do it .

Oh yeah, SirRuben, your swagger humiliates only yourself. Sorry bro.

[BraveSirRubin]

Hush child.

I think I'll take a bath and watch Velvet Goldmine at some point tonight.

[smokindude]

People who say "hush" over the internet is so intimidating. Please dont shoot!

[BraveSirRubin]

I must warn you...

I shot the sheriff.

[hippieatheart]

BSR don't stress this kid.
i swear every time i see this kid's posts it is never anything nice.

[BraveSirRubin]

BSR don't stress this kid.
i swear every time i see this kid's posts it is never anything nice.But...but... it's so amusing! :D

[WanderingSoul]

People who say "hush" over the internet is so intimidating. Please dont shoot!He wasn't trying to be intimidating. He was just saying he's bored with you.

[fitzy21]

natural?

why is being homosexual not natural?

this thread is lame

[smokindude]

Nice to know a 20 year old gets amused over a 16 year old over the internet..sounds a little creepy to me.

To answer your question in advance...16/m/boston

LMAO

[BraveSirRubin]

Nice to know a 20 year old gets amused over a 16 year old over the internet..sounds a little creepy to me.

To answer your question in advance...16/m/boston

LMAOI'm sorry, but I only do people younger than 12.

[hippieatheart]

^hahahaha

[smokindude]

Homosexuality isnt natural becomes assholes were meant to shit out of. Not get dick up there. Guys have dicks to stick in vagina's to enjoy the sexual intercourse and reproduce, with a female. The act of homosexuality was created by man, because it serves no positve purpose.

That is why its not natural.

[BraveSirRubin]

Dude... prostate.

[makesmomcry420]

ooh ooh and you dont see homosexuality amongst other species besides humans

[WanderingSoul]

What does this smokindude have to say about lesbians???

[fitzy21]

guys and girls both enjoy anal sex, be it with a dick or dildo or finger or fruit or any other object they so desire to use up there.

positive purpose? hmm, its pleasurable for many so i've heard...its a bonding experience between the partners, brings closeness...whats not positive about that?

and you've yet to make any argument on why its not natural, because all that above is quite natural

[Stella_Drives]

Smoking Dude.

I see where you're coming from. No parents wants their child to be teased or bullied, especially because of something they do, like being gay. But being from Boston, and being a social worker, I can tell you literally thousands of cases where straight parents abuse their children, foster parents locking kids in basements and keeping all the foster money, kids getting thrown into walls, drown in bathtubs, burnt, punched, poisoned, killed.

Just because you are straight doesn't mean you have great parenting skills.
But being gay doesn't mean that either.

The difference is gays cannot have children so by having to go through the process of adoption, having enough money to adopt and passing backround checks homosexuals show a greater desire and readiness to have children and raise them than straight parents.

Most families are one parent households. Would you rather a child grow up in a family where they have one mom and are beaten daily, ignore and not feed properly or have two gay men as parents who have enough money and love to give that child what they need to grow up in the best home possible? That child might get bullied, but I am sure that their parents will equipt them with a self awareness and understanding that is unparalleled by many of their bullies.

[BraveSirRubin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zOlPsO6U4


This is awesome. Especially because of the narrating voices.

[fitzy21]

oh, and on this whole kids being beaten spiel - kids are beat up for thousands of reason. kids are cruel - shit happens.

[makesmomcry420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zOlPsO6U4


This is awesome. Especially because of the narrating voices.i have been proven wrong, lol thanks BSR that made my night

[BraveSirRubin]

i have been proven wrong, lol thanks BSR that made my nightMy duty is to please that booty.

[makesmomcry420]

i have to admit that ive always been flattered when gay ppl hit on me. even more so than when ugly chicks hit on me

[CSP101]

Homosexuality isnt natural becomes assholes were meant to shit out of. Not get dick up there. Guys have dicks to stick in vagina's to enjoy the sexual intercourse and reproduce, with a female. The act of homosexuality was created by man, because it serves no positve purpose.

That is why its not natural.

I couldnt disagree more. Hair in a biological sense was created to insulate the body and wick away sweat thus helping to regulate the body's tmepurature. However, in today's world hair is usually considered to be a style to attract others ei dreadlocks. Because people are altering their hair to use it to attract others does that make the activity "un-natural". There are millions of examples like shaking hands as greeting though hands biologically hands were not devolped for any ritual greetings but rather survival needs like gathering and tooll use.

Just because something isn't following its orginial biological purpose it doesn't make it wrong. Animals exhibit homosexual behaviors in many instances.

For example, many speices of male monkies have penis swordfights as formal rituals that doesnt mean the penis is biologically mean to be used in this manner as Im sure you know but the animals NATURALLY exhibit these behaviors without outside influence.

Gay people like who they like and to them it is perfecty natural and a beutiful thing. You sir have no right to tell them otherwise.

Peace and Love

[BraveSirRubin]

i have to admit that ive always been flattered when gay ppl hit on me. even more so than when ugly chicks hit on meYeah, me too.


I was at this party once though... it was right after a gay pride parade... so there were lots of gay people there, which is cool... I'm really good friends with the people who own the house where it happened so I was just hanging out. Anyhow... there was this one goth looking kid wearing a trenchcoat who kept on hitting on me... he had very bad teeth, and was just weird looking. I did not take that as a compliment... he kinda creeped me out, kept on following me... even after I told him I wasn't gay. Got so annoying that I had to "accidently" elbow him in the nose on the dance floor. That got the message across.

[makesmomcry420]

lol, nice. i always like to break hearts with violent scenes too lol

[BraveSirRubin]

I'm a ridiculously chill guy.... but he took it way too far.

Plus, I was really really disgusted by his teeth... they looks rotten.

[makesmomcry420]

rotting teeth gross me out too, creepy ppl need to be aware of their creepyness, i totally agree with your actions

[jusdino4it]

"You have no evidence to back up your statements. I have evidence. 5 out of 5 that i know are straight."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1873278.ece

I could give more links and personal stories of myself witnessing kids get beat down for being gay. We have to have 3 assemblies a year in school for it because its such a big issue. Its sad how you claim gay kids don't get made fun or get beat up just for being that way, just because YOU(1 person)..YOURSELF havent seen it yet in your petty life, and your ignorant enough say it never happens?

Wheres your evidence again? Because i thought i read a story from you, not real EVIDENCE. hmm



And for all you out there trying to say that genetics is the ONLY way to become gay, i laugh at you because scientists havent proved it. So dont act like you know everything when nobody knows.

jusdino4it...i hope your attempt to make yourself feel more secure about yourself over the internet by posting that link to "educate myself.." just completely backfired on you. You tried though.

"I have evidence. 5 out of 5 that I [key word "i".. LMFAO] know are straight."- Wise words from jusdino4it....

I went to a school for the arts for four years where our school mascot was the unicorn, and our official colors are the rainbow. (as voted on by the student body). 46% of the kids who go there are gay or bi. I know a shitload of gay kids. And i have yet to meet one who wishes otherwise. People get beat up all the time for things they cant control. I have gotten my ass whopped for being jewish, black and other races are attacked constantly. The fact of the matter is, that no matter who you are, how perfect, people will find a reason to pick on you and beat you up.

I did give evidence. 100% of the people that i have randomly met who are a gay couples offspring are all straight. No its not hardcore evidence. I never claimed it was. But thats why i went out and got a reputable study unlike your bullshit. Dont argure about scientific studies man, cause i know more than you will ever know.

Just because you live in a shitty as area where people get there ass beat, dosent mean that thats how it is everwhere. And im sure that kids get beat up everyday for being black, white, asian, jewish, fat, ugly, stupid, or any other million things also all the time where you live.

I respected your opinion, and i just tried to give you the facts...Until you started talking out of your ass.

[jusdino4it]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zOlPsO6U4


This is awesome. Especially because of the narrating voices.

Bad example man. Those are bonobos. Bonobos have orgies all day long. It has nothing to do with being attracted to the other sex though. There entire social structure is based around sex. They use it like chimps or monkies use grooming. A way to strengthen relationships, make ammends, suck up to a higher bonobo in the heicharchy. Anything. But your point is good, and there are pleanty of other species that are gay. Two male penguins have been observed carrying out a realationship for years, every year they try to mate and build a nest.

[BraveSirRubin]

Bad example man. Those are bonobos. Bonobos have orgies all day long. It has nothing to do with being attracted to the other sex though. There entire social structure is based around sex. They use it like chimps or monkies use grooming. A way to strengthen relationships, make ammends, suck up to a higher bonobo in the heicharchy. Anything. But your point is good, and there are pleanty of other species that are gay. Two male penguins have been observed carrying out a realationship for years, every year they try to mate and build a nest.Blah, blah, blah.

Wasn't an example... just a funny video.

[CSP101]

^ I agree hilarious thank you

[smokindude]

jusdino4it....lmao.

[lune]

Homosexuality is not normal, but people who are gay don't choose it or are taught it. It's the result of damage done to DNA or mistakes during DNA transcription (in a way, like how cancer developes, if you want to understand it like that. USA Today has about as much scientific credibility as a Jerry Falwell speech, I don't even know why you posted that link. If you want I can go digging through some scientific journals.

[WanderingSoul]

I had no idea there were so many people on these forums that hate homosexuals. I'm sad, and hurt. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

[Piney]

Gee.......I thought this thread was gonna be bout political orientation.....



dumbass me!

[WanderingSoul]

It went off...

[fitzy21]

I had no idea there were so many people on these forums that hate homosexuals. I'm sad, and hurt. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gifi can cheer you up :)

[BraveSirRubin]

Gee.......I thought this thread was gonna be bout political orientation.....



dumbass me!This thread does make a point though.

The point is that as sad as it is... politics are focused around social concerns and bullshit instead of the issues that actually matter such as the economy, healthcare, education, and foreign relations.

This thread also shows how many people can be single issue voters and wouldn't vote for a candidate just because he supports gay rights.

This thread further proves that some people are extremely stupid and that the voting system in this constitutional republic is very flawed.

I support giving people a thourough test about all the current issues before allowing them to vote.

That would weed out the idiots.

[WanderingSoul]

i can cheer you up :)'

How? :) I mean, everytime I see your sig pic I smile, so I'm okay. :)

[fitzy21]

i give great massages

i can start there

[WanderingSoul]

I bet you do. :) Too bad you're wherever you are and I'm here. :)

[lune]

I had no idea there were so many people on these forums that hate homosexuals. I'm sad, and hurt. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

I don't hate gay people. I just smoked an L with a couple gay guys from my work last night, I hang out with them all the time.

Im just arguing that homosexuality is genetic, which it is.

[fitzy21]

I bet you do. :) Too bad you're wherever you are and I'm here. :):)

[zen_arcade]

are you guys gonna score?

[WanderingSoul]

No, we're just friends! http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/blush5.gif

Lol.