Could this be a side effect

[Kramazing]

ok well this is very weird and it has been happening for a wile now and i was just wondering if it has happend to anyone else.
ok so what hs been happening is that when i laydwon to go to sleep i go into a state of mind were my mind is awake i both hear and see what is goign on around me but my body seems to be asleep almost as if i am paralized.

idk this is prolly the wrong forum to put this in but does anyone have any answers for me thanks

[3xi]

strange story - my brother was having problems with waking up and not being able to move or talk. he had taken LSD maybe 20 times in his life. he was actually seeing a doctor about it. one night after i was over at his house for dinner and we were talking about what he was experiencing and i found it fascinating thinking that i remembered it happening to me once. the next morning it happened to me. i woke up and couldn’t move. very strange that the night after he talked to me about this it happened to me. i was doing way more acid than he was. it only happened to me the one night. it kept happening to him over and over. the doctor said that it had something to do with the amount of oxygen that his brain was getting while he slept. i know my brother thought it was because of the acid. truthfully i think it could be related to the LSD but because of my experience i figure that it must be all in your head. how else could it happen to me because we talked about it the night before.

a very strange thing for sure. i would lay off the LSD for a month or so just to be sure. maybe try meditation and breathing techniques.

[RELAYER]

It's called sleep paralysis and people have been reporting this for thousands of years. There is just very little research beeing done on it. The closest resembalance caused by drugs is the nod from heavy opiate use.
I've had it since I was a small child and get it several times a month. Lately, I start off with feeling a vibtration close to what I imagine is like a seizure, followed by intense psychedelic imagery. The last one that happened I was in a vortex of yellow washers and dryers! :tongue:
The dreams are always bizarre and almost always very uncomfortable, not always nightmares though. Upon waking from the dream is when I find myself unable to move completley, and I start having intense audio hallucinations, sometimes visual. Once I heard someone break open my front door, I heard the footsteps come down my hallways and open my bedroom door. I saw them look in and I instantly regained control over my body, and it was so realistic I actually searched my apartment for a person!
Amazing stuff, I wrote an email to a researcher gathering info on SP connecting the condition to epilepsy, psychedelics, and opiate use. I never heard back from them again, that was 3 years ago. Go figure. -

[RELAYER]

[color=black]truthfully i think it could be related to the LSD but because of my experience i figure that it must be all in your head.
It's actually becuase when your falling into the sleep stage, the body gets shut down as if asleep, but somehow the mind only goes half asleep and stays half awake. But no one knows exactly why or how, and while its not rare, its not common either.

[killuminati]

hypogognia's the name for it.

a while ago, i was pretty interested in astral projection, i even attempted it a few times. one time while i was high, i layed down, did the breathing and concentrating, and my back got all stiff, my eye even twitched a little bit, and i could hear/feel loud high pitched vibrations. it was insane.

[RELAYER]

hypogognia's the name for it.

a while ago, i was pretty interested in astral projection, i even attempted it a few times. one time while i was high, i layed down, did the breathing and concentrating, and my back got all stiff, my eye even twitched a little bit, and i could hear/feel loud high pitched vibrations. it was insane.
hypnogogia is the distortion and hallucinations, sleep parasyis is the state of not being able to move :) Just to be clear!
namaste

[Kramazing]

well like the thing is i have nevr done coke so it shouldnt be that .

and also it used to happen to me when i was little then it went away for a couple a years and now it hapends to me almost everytime i go to sleep.

[myCHAINisGUCCI]

sometimes when i lie down to goto sleep i can hear my dreams and kind of see them too, but i know im still awake and i can easily snap out of it. its pretty much the opposite of what youre experiencing, but equally weird. i get to explore the deepest levels of my subconcious, weird shit.

[elfin1mf]

Who said anything about coke? Opiates are not at all like coke.

Anyways, I have had this before. The paralyzed thing used to freak me out. One time after I did alot of acid a few weeks later I was getting really delusionally paranoid and all of a sudden I could not move my body at all. I fell onto a couch and couldnt move for hours so eventually I had to go to sleep. The next morning I woke up fine but after that sometimes I would wake up paralyzd for a few minutes. I also get the strange high pitched sounds that you get when you are high killumin. I always imagined that it was either machines controlling me or that I am a machine when I hear the sounds. I now hear them if I focus without getting high, but if I am high they do not go away.

[RELAYER]

Yea I dont know where the cocain comment came from :tongue: but if anything, the coke would keep you awake completely!
Opiates depress your entire body for several hours (most of them, at least), and though they are all basically the same thing, and they come from the same plant, the papavar somniferum, the 3 main alkaloids used recreationally have slightly different feels. The codeine and morphine are about the exact same, but the thebaine (which is what oxycodone, hydrocodone, and oxycontin etc. are) has a more of a stimulant, yet at the same time depressant, effect. I've noticed extreme sleep paralysis on as little as 20-30mg's of percocet (oxycodone) whereas upwards of 180mg's morphine (in this case MS Contin) the dreams are not as intense.
There is a reason why Morphine get's it's name from Morpheus, the God of Dreams, and its not just because it sounds cool :)

[neodude1212]

relayer tell me more about this sleep paralysis. one time back in my "flaming youth" i did 16 triple c's, drank a 6-pack and took about 4 ambien cr's. yeah stupid i know. but for like a week i would have these moments where i would wake up in the middle of the night and i would totally be paralyzed not even able to open my eyes. and there would aways be someone in my room with me, a presence, singing. strange huh? never ever get high on ambien it is even crazier than LSD but i think it fucks you up semi-permanantly. more info or stories would be great.

[killuminati]

the name for that is hypagognia or hypno, something along those lines. its pretty common actually. going to a doctor about it is a huge mistake. maybe you were in your astral body?

[Shapeshifter]

It is funny that you guys are reffering to this as a problem. I actually tought myself to do that on purpose so I can fall asleep when on drugs like Khat (similar to coke). I can fall asleep even on heavy dose of acid using this tehnique (but who would like that). You see, we were tripping so many times for several nights and days in a row and we put significant amount of different drugs in our selfs and you just can't sleep. So many times I just wanted to have a nap for an hour before I go to work, but I couldn't. Than I discovered that if I concentrate on my heart beats with my armes crossed on my stomak (feeling heart beats on the stomak through my arms), after some time the body gets shutdown and I get a feeling that I arise just 10 cm above my body. At that point I am not sleeping, but not awake and definitely can't move my body. I can still hear everything happening in my room. Beeing in the state like this for 15 min refreshes your body strenght and you feel much better and stronger than if you slept for 10 hours. If I continue to be in this state longer, I just fall asleep, and you don't even know when you fell asleep. Since I discovered it, I always do this before sleeping, as a kind of meditation, because that gives me more strenght than sleep itself, and lets me fall asleep in a matter of minutes. Maybe we are talking about different thing, but if we are not, just relax, it is the state of mind and there is nothing to be afraid of. Somebody can refer to it as out of body expirience, witch in my case I would definitely consider it (rising 10 cm above your body), but call it whatever you like, it helps me a lot.

[RELAYER]

No it's not the same thing Shapey, it is involantury and for the most part extremely horrifying.
I am starting to suffer from severe seizure like symptoms, though they are not like epilepsy where it is generally painless and unconsious. I am fully conscious when it happens, about 2-3 times per month (up from 1-2 times a year as a child), and the pain that I feel in my head spreads out into my entire body, and it feels like Im holding a live wire or sticking a key into an electric socket. I dont want to go to a doctor just yet, but if this gets worse I will. It starts off with a very pleasureable buzzing sensation at the back of my spine in my head, and as it comes on it is very pleasureable. But after a few moments the buzzing turns into a high frequencey vibration that grows into pure electric shock that then spreads to my extremities. Its during this moment that I am able to snap out of it, because at that moment it feels like Im on the verge of death. What Im worried about is one of these days, not snapping out of it at the crucial moment, and being jolted into either severe brain damage or death.

[neodude1212]

yeah relayer, you should probably just go ahead and go to the doctor. and maybe lay of the drugs for awhile i dunno. stay strong man.


is ambien considered an opiate? and yeah shape that is definatly not the same thing.

[elfin1mf]

ambien is not at all like an opiate. Heroin is an opiate. Oxycontin is an opiate. Opiates are the most addictive shit I have ever come across.

[salmon4me]

Yup. Opiates & nicotine. Hope things turn out all right Relayer.

[elfin1mf]

Yea nicotine is almost as addictive. Months after quitting I would have cravings still each day. Opiate addiction just seems to slowly fade. For me, it took about 9 months to get to a steady point where I was thinking completely straight. I doubt a serious addict can ever be normal again though.

[sw0o0sh]

It's actually becuase when your falling into the sleep stage, the body gets shut down as if asleep, but somehow the mind only goes half asleep and stays half awake. But no one knows exactly why or how, and while its not rare, its not common either.

I get this somewhat regularly now, when the body fallls asleep it's almost like I start to float and sway around into a no - boundary space.

[RELAYER]

yeah relayer, you should probably just go ahead and go to the doctor. and maybe lay of the drugs for awhile i dunno. stay strong man.

Thank you for the concern neodude, but besides an LSD trip a few months ago and some mushroom trips over the summer, I havent touched any drugs except a few painkillers (as in, 3 times) since June :)

[stardust87]

That's not LSD, or anything to do with it. It's a sleep disorder called sleep paralysis, you should read up on it. I've had it since I was 8. It used to scare the hell out of me, until just this year I found out what it was. There's not much you can do about it, unfortunately, but getting on a good sleep schedule helps and some people say not to sleep on your back. I usually am in a half dream/hallucinatory state (usually this comes with the paralysis, its called hypnogogic sleep hallucinations) where i'll feel like someone is in the room, or my parents will be in my house when they really aren't and ive had some other really scary ones. I usually try my hardest to kick or fall off my bed til I come out of it.

[stardust87]

It's called sleep paralysis and people have been reporting this for thousands of years. There is just very little research beeing done on it. The closest resembalance caused by drugs is the nod from heavy opiate use.
I've had it since I was a small child and get it several times a month. Lately, I start off with feeling a vibtration close to what I imagine is like a seizure, followed by intense psychedelic imagery. The last one that happened I was in a vortex of yellow washers and dryers! :tongue:
The dreams are always bizarre and almost always very uncomfortable, not always nightmares though. Upon waking from the dream is when I find myself unable to move completley, and I start having intense audio hallucinations, sometimes visual. Once I heard someone break open my front door, I heard the footsteps come down my hallways and open my bedroom door. I saw them look in and I instantly regained control over my body, and it was so realistic I actually searched my apartment for a person!
Amazing stuff, I wrote an email to a researcher gathering info on SP connecting the condition to epilepsy, psychedelics, and opiate use. I never heard back from them again, that was 3 years ago. Go figure. -wow that's intense. its always interesting to meet other ppl with sleep paralysis. i've had scary things happen like seeing someone break in, etc. i hate it. i used to think it was the devil or something. my mom thinks its spiritual (she experienced it a bit when she was younger and it went away, which gives me hope!) but all it is is, when you go into your REM stage of sleep, your body paralyzes itself so that you don't act out your dreams because your REM stage is when you dream the most, so I guess sleep paralysis is when you wake up in your REM state but you're not fully out of it.

[neodude1212]

yes but it can also be induced by opiates and sleep pills. it is indeed very frightening though i hate it.

[stardust87]

Yah, that is why I'm always too nervous to try any sleeping pills, but I guess this perscription kind, that is sadly very very expensive, helps you get into REM sleep properly, so I am thinking quite possibly it could help. I actually just got a call from my local sleep clinic and I am excited to go see them.

[neodude1212]

well i was abusing them. you should be fine if you only take what they tell you to.