animals on psychadelics

[Fractual_]

i read somewhere syd barrett used to give acid to his cats pink and floyd. how do you think animals react to psychadlelics?

[PhotoGra1]

I don't know how the animals react, but it is very cruel to the unsuspecting animals.

[Elle]

Where did you read that? What a horrible thing to do....geez. But syd was so fucked up, in his mind he probably thought he was doing them a favor...helping the cats to expand their mind;) Anyone who does such a thing is cruel and on of the biggest jackasses on the face of the earth.

[dhs]

I can't imagine why anyone would think that this would be in the slighest bit amusing. Just a sick thought, truly.

[Psilodelix]

Yea that is a bit much isn't it.


"witches" and "worlocks" would often feed their pets some (although substancially less than themselfs) of their magic potion. Someday I don't doubt that I will induce evolution in my pets... just with great caution and concern for them, and not with man made substances...

[crackforkids]

ive heard of some one who kept mushrooms in the same place of his house (like on the same table) and let his dog eat them and then he'd put more mushrooms on the table. The dog supposedly knew what was going on and the guy kept them out all the time. the dog would eat em when he wanted to trip. i have no proof or source to this. heard through the grape vine.,...

ive narcated a hampster with cannabis smoke (call me cruel, im sorry) and ive given a cat mushroom dust and once a little aMT i think. i dunno, but you cant tell in small animals like the hampster, but you can tell in a dog or cat, a compassionate animal.

spiders have been given LSD 25 in labratory settings and it was found the tessalation pattern of their webs change while they were under the influence of the drug.

[TomDijon]

actually, many many years before people ever tried lsd, animals did. look up the notes on the production of lsd by hoffman. they said they were looking for a headache cure, and the animals only reacted by seeming happier. this is what i read. it was nothing interesting at the time, so they put it aside. then one time when hoffman was going over his notes he saw how these animals reacted and thought it interesting, and so begins the classic tale of the first lsd experience by a human... i'm sure you all know that one...

[bre0987]

Don't caterpillars eat mushrooms? Do ya'll think they are tripping all the time? Someone asked me this and at first I thought it was a stupid question but now after thinking about it, do they?!

[crackforkids]

check out this book called buzzed, it talks about reindeer eating mushrooms and hunter noticed this and tried the mushrooms themselves, they were very potent cubenis. So potent, in fact, that they drank there piss afterwards to trip again! a certain speceis of flies travels with the seasons to catch all the fermenting grains and such on them (gets drunk). A lot of animals natural eat psychedelics, i just cant remember all of them. look it up!

[gnrm23]

reindeer & the mushroom Amanita muscaria

(the fly agaric mushroom - yellow/orange/red cap with white dots all over em; NOT a Psilocybe species at all, different chemistry, yaddayadda...)

[Fractual_]

i thought some animals would dig a psychadelic, in reasonable doses.

[crackforkids]

thanks for clearin that up grm23. aminita. i know there are some other animals that eat shit, i jus cant think of em

[Cosmic Butterfly]

Some animals enjoy psychedelics, and some do not. With a pet, it has be their choice. Drugging them is not cool. We have a 15 year old Airedale that loves to eat mushrooms when she is in the mood. She has a blast.

[wideyed]

so how did the airedale figure it out the first time?

i myself had a hamster back in the day that i dosed with everthing i got my hands on ( which wasnt much really - pot, liquor, shroom tea) - the shroom tea made him move very slow, and if he stopped to stare at anything for a while he would often lean back and then fall over while looking at it - i hope i'm not going to hell for that. he didnt freak out at least ( but who can tell whats going thru a hamsters mind?)

there was that fictional nature movie where the bear eats shrooms.. anyone know what i'm talking about?

[Fractual_]

i was wondering the same thing, airedale is a dog right???

[Fractual_]

i myself had a hamster back in the day that i dosed with everthing i got my hands on ( which wasnt much really - pot, liquor, shroom tea) - the shroom tea made him move very slow, and if he stopped to stare at anything for a while he would often lean back and then fall over while looking at it - i hope i'm not going to hell for that. he didnt freak out at least ( but who can tell whats going thru a hamsters mind?)LOL, man i was just playing with my gerbils while i am blazed, gerbils experience is very real to say the least, i just felt the vibrations and saw how normal yet so very small they are in comparison with my vibrations, yet they are equal vibrations, equally intense.

[xaosflux]

I don't know how the animals react, but it is very cruel to the unsuspecting animals.
How about on unsuspecting humans?

[Fractual_]

How about on unsuspecting humans?depends who they are and what you plan on doing with them...

[Kilgore Trout]

My friend's cat got into his mushrooms and ate the better part of a bag. I saw it while it was tripping. It was seriously freaked out. Howling like it was in heat or something. Later on, it attacked my friend's hands when he tried to pick it up, and tore them to shreds. He was more pissed about losing the shrooms, though.

[~piscean]-[delusions]

I've seen a pair of 1 year old cats trip from LSD on several occasions that were closely monitored during the experiment. The two cats had never been fed anything but cat food, so the dose was placed with some cheese, so they could easily realize that they were eating something new and unique.

Only about 1/8 of a hit was placed inside of the cheese, and there was one piece for each of them.

The cats began displaying signs of being under the influence of LSD about 30 minutes later. They appeared to be getting lost in trails, as they were observed moving their paws in front of their field of vision in rapid fasion, seemingly lost in the trails.

They would look at an object and then bob their heads up and down, and chase things in the air that weren't there.

Outside, they displayed similar behavior. They climbed up small ornamental landscape trees and maneuvered around almost in the way a monkey would.

Throughout the duration of the experience, they displayed very little signs of distress or discomfort, all in all, they displayed a lot of the same characteristics the average human would during their first LSD experience.

They appeared to be affected for about 10-12 hours, and the next day, seemed to be 95% back to their normal state, although there was an occasional moment where they appeared to be tripping again.

The next time the cheese was offered, about 2 weeks later, the pair of cats eagerly accepted. This time, the main difference in their behavior seemed to be that the effects of the LSD weren't nearly as intense or unique, as their actions were a lot less animated and erratic.

[Fractual_]

-[delusions']I've seen a pair of 1 year old cats trip from LSD on several occasions that were closely monitored during the experiment. The two cats had never been fed anything but cat food, so the dose was placed with some cheese, so they could easily realize that they were eating something new and unique.

Only about 1/8 of a hit was placed inside of the cheese, and there was one piece for each of them.

The cats began displaying signs of being under the influence of LSD about 30 minutes later. They appeared to be getting lost in trails, as they were observed moving their paws in front of their field of vision in rapid fasion, seemingly lost in the trails.

They would look at an object and then bob their heads up and down, and chase things in the air that weren't there.

Outside, they displayed similar behavior. They climbed up small ornamental landscape trees and maneuvered around almost in the way a monkey would.

Throughout the duration of the experience, they displayed very little signs of distress or discomfort, all in all, they displayed a lot of the same characteristics the average human would during their first LSD experience.

They appeared to be affected for about 10-12 hours, and the next day, seemed to be 95% back to their normal state, although there was an occasional moment where they appeared to be tripping again.

The next time the cheese was offered, about 2 weeks later, the pair of cats eagerly accepted. This time, the main difference in their behavior seemed to be that the effects of the LSD weren't nearly as intense or unique, as their actions were a lot less animated and erratic.wow really, i was wondering my cat was acting funny last night but i figured it was cause the meat i gave her or something. i had my shrooms stashed on top of my cpu box but under my desk, and went to look for them one night and they were on the ground instead, and the bag had started to open, and my kitten did basically the same things yours did, to a very lesser extent, chasing things that werent there, running all over my room jumping up and all around my bed very quickly, and being very hyper and excited overall.

thats cool how you did that experiment though

[Kitaro]

ooooooooh how I'd love to be one of syd's cats... aawwweeaaaaargh...:S :S

[lostblackdog]

A friend of mine in Wilmington, NC ended up losing 14 hits of acid to his cat once upon a time... man... it sucked for him, but he said the cat was off in outter space the rest of her life. She was crazy as shit when I saw her (about a week or so after he lost his cid), and she just died about a year later in a car accident, but she had a kitten that was named Tweak 'cause he always looked tweaked out. Same symptoms as what was described earlier, but there is no doubt in my mind that the poor cat has done more drugs than most people on this site, knowing those people out there. I don't think they ever did anything intentionally other than blow some smoke in the cat's face to calm it down a bit, but man... that is one STRANGE cat from a MUCH stranger mama!

-Mac

"One CAT gathers what another man spills," I guess....

[Joe Cool]

a friend of mine has a dog that ate a bunch of wild mushrooms and was totally tripping all day, staring at the wall and falling over and stuff

[crackforkids]

i'd like to see reference to these two cats feds LSD on cheese

[seamonster66]

Thats definitely mean...I was watching my parents dog once and it ate a fair amount of hash...I'm not sure if it was my imagination or not, but he was acting REALLY weird. I tried to give him a bone and he just stood there looking at me with the bone in his mouth like he forgot what to do with it.


It made me pretty panicky.

[~piscean]-[delusions]

i'd like to see reference to these two cats feds LSD on cheese

reference? There is no source of reference for this particular example other than from my own personal notes as I witnessed and oversaw the entire process. I could refer you to the rest of my notes on the matter, however, I have yet to publish my findings anywhere else.

[ben]

i was staying in asheville, nc this summer and one of the people i was staying with gave his dog 3 hits of acid, the dog was definatly trippin (as anyone would i suppose) he seemed back to baseline though next week.

atleast he finally got to see colors :D

[KottonKandyAfro]

If you really want some information about how animals react there is a whole book about the topic called Animals and Psychedelics by Giorgio Samorini.

[Sarah JAY 420]

thats funny because one of my friends dog ate my chocolate bar right off the table...he was freaking out all night i felt so bad

[Fractual_]

i guess animals are like us in that they are all individuals, what kind of environment was the dog in?

[TwistedFaith]

My friends made this weekend a cat stoned for 3 or 4 times ....the cat was really nervous ....it´s tail went around and around ... he aet like crazy and tried to bite and scratch people it was really fun to watch the cat ...but I really think that giving drugs to animals is really sick and twisted thing to do

[bre0987]

My friends made this weekend a cat stoned for 3 or 4 times ....the cat was really nervous ....it´s tail went around and around ... he aet like crazy and tried to bite and scratch people it was really fun to watch the cat ...but I really think that giving drugs to animals is really sick and twisted thing to do
Giving drugs to animals is only sick and twisted if the animal obviously does not enjoy it and even tries to hurt itself and others such as the cat you talked about. Some animals love to get fucked up. In fact, my best friends boyfriend feeds his cat schwag and the cat absolutely loves it. He will even put the food bowl where the cat can barely reach it and the cat will use his paws to pull it out from the hiding spot. If an animal doesn't respond well the first time and hated its experience (i.e. you force it on them) then yes you can consider it animal abuse. But to say that giving drugs to animals is flat out sick and twisted then you are very narrow minded.

[DrSpaceman]

Animals don't even seem to need it. They get off on the vibes. In 1970, I had a Sunday morning job washing cows on a dairy farm, and once when I showed up tripping, the cows seemed to be kicking up more of a ruckus than usual. At the end of one side of the barn, a calf was kept in a separate pen. As I passed it, I could have sworn it said, "Oh wow!"

[The Flow]

spiders have been given LSD 25 in labratory settings and it was found the tessalation pattern of their webs change while they were under the influence of the drug.
They were not only given LSD, but also nicotine, caffeine and thc.
What really surprises me, is that caffeine had the most disturbing effect on the ability to contruct the webs.

[The Flow]

Don't caterpillars eat mushrooms? Do ya'll think they are tripping all the time? Someone asked me this and at first I thought it was a stupid question but now after thinking about it, do they?!
Where did you read that? Reminds me of "Alice in wonderland"...

[The Flow]

Recommended book on the topic:

"Drugs - the search for the artificial paradise" (or something like that; I don´t know the exact original title, have only read it in german...) by Ronald K. Siegel.

It contains lots of reports how animals use drugs for special purposes.
Tons of interesting info (or did you for example know, that the terminus "Dream Factory" as a synonyme for "Hollywood" refers to the fact, that native indians in this area watched birds eating berries of the holy and getting high from it, then tried it themselves and named the holy-woods "the place where dreams come true"?).

[HallucinatedGreenLig]

one of my cats goes crazy if i get her high i'll get her high then give her cat nip and she starts rolling around drooling all over her self, it's kind of nasty but it cracks me up... and she always gets cotton mouth and she'll freak until i give her water... but i'd be too afraid to give my cats anything to trip off of cause if something happened i would hate myself forever...

[crackforkids]

elephants drink fermented fruits, and become alcoholics if they loose their life partner or whatever you would call it
i think flies do this too
deer eat magic mushrooms
there was a lot more i forget, its all in a book i have laying around here

[paintballer687]

I remember reading about some wild grass that contains DMT, and how these horses were eating them and becoming incredibly stupid.

[Dazed4now]

a poodle on shrooms is great, you hippies are to animal rights activists type

[paintballer687]

Oh, I just remembered when my friend and I boxed his garage and his dog got so lit that he didn't move for the rest of the day...

[LSDSeeker]

Cruel? In the first place, animals (those below humans) and humans may react differently to psychedelics. You really don't know how LSD will impact a cat or dog. The cat or dog may even find it pleasurable.

Secondly, humans are the only creatures with the capacity to reason and reflect. Psychedelics obviously only have a "mind-expanding" aspect for humans. It's not at all clear that some animals would feel pain, much less recognize that something is going on, since they are to a great extent influenced by psychological conditioning and instincts.

So, I would say it's not smart given the lack of information on how animals are impacted, but until this information comes out I would hesitate to call it cruel. But then... I am not an animal rights activist, like some here, and do not attribute anthropomorphic qualities to animals.

I'd say it's just a strange form of amusement, and there is no point to it. It may even harm the animal.

[paintballer687]

Well I say, why waste drugs on animals in the first place?

[crimson sun dance]

i read the same thing after reading on syd barrett poor guy was dosed alot of times without consent

[Jabbawaya]

Dosing someone without their consent is one of the worst things you can do to a person (or animal).

[Eruna]

well, i give my dogs beer, and they love it...i dont force nyhting on them.....i also let my dog be in the room whilst smoking and they beg for it sometimes, i thin kthey like it, but i would not give any animal acid!!! shrooms maybe....

[peacelovebarefeet]

Dosing someone without their consent is one of the worst things you can do to a person (or animal).
that would be pretty cool, i think.... hell, you'd get to trip for free!


my boyfriend gave his cat two hits of acid once... it went crazy, just chasing his tail around and around, and then it went and layed in his shoe, and *im guessing* just watched the pretty colors.

[*CHAMELEON*]

I have for sometime wondered about wild giraffes. A majority of their diet consists of eating acacia tree leaves which contain DMT.I believe I read somewhere of an african tribe that eats the bone marrow of a giraffe to induce vision quests.As for giving animals psychedelics when it is not part of their normal diet constitutes abuse in my eyes.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9711/000giraffeeatingacacia8fb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[TomDijon]

in humans dmt is not orally active, but for giraffes, who knows... also, about the spider experiment, i highly doubt they have receptors in their brains[?] to be affected by those drugs. i've only seen that on random websites, nowhere trustworthy...

[the_dude]

i guess the animal would bcome a nervous wreck afterwards. pretty stupid to waste an animal like that.

[annabegins]

drugging animals is a sad and cruel thing to do . :(

[mynameiskc]

my neighbor's perfectly decent rott turned into a complete freak that would break out and chase people down. he was finally put down when he went after my little brother. not a cool thing to do.

[Beckner420]

A couple times I have hotboxed my room with my dog in it, and I can tell stoned. Never gave it any psychedelics such as lsd or shrooms. But has anyone here ever seen Pink Floyd: Live at Pompeii, in Mademoiselle Nobs they have a dog doing lead vocals, and I think they have it on LSD or something, it goes right with the rhythm.

[erossnj]

A friend of mine gave his cat LSD (I'm assuming way too high a dose for a cat--assuming L dosage is proportional by weight--since they're what, less than 1/12th the weight of a human?). He said the cat was tweaking on the end of his couch just looking all around until after about 3 or so hours of that he sprinted full speed across the middle of the room and ran straight into the wall w/out slowing down. After a few days they had to put the cat to sleep. FYI I wasn't involved and wouldn't do that to an animal . . . Unless it asked me to :)

[Beyond-the-Clouds]

I want to put some mushrooms inside of a dog, and then go booga booga.

[~piscean]-[delusions]

i'd like to see reference to these two cats feds LSD on cheese


I'm your reference, I did the experiment, I just spoke of the expeirment from an observers perspective because I know people are sensitive about this sort of thing.

The experiment was conducted with the utmost seriousness due to it's nature.

And rest assurred that the cats both ended up living on, seemingly unharmed, for the remainder of the normal life expectancy of a cat.

[The Flow]

Our cats always leave the room, when we prepare the bong... I guess that says everything. But on the other hand, both love to get high on catnip.

[tumbledownDNA]

Where did you read that? What a horrible thing to do....geez. But syd was so fucked up, in his mind he probably thought he was doing them a favor...helping the cats to expand their mind;) Anyone who does such a thing is cruel and on of the biggest jackasses on the face of the earth.
u know i read about syd barret and found out that he most likely has a mental disease that was a rare form of autism. he was fucked up, but quite creatively fucked up and i think some of the rumors about his LSD use are a little out there. Syd took a lot of L, but so did all of them. LSD simply triggered an underlying mental disease which would have eventually came forward.

If you listen to pink floyd's subsequent albums, especially the song "shine on you crazy diamond" you'll hear that he really cracked when the band began to get famous. he was incredibly creative, in dark and mysterious but not dangerous ways. he would come out on stage and play only three notes, but i doubt he was dosing some cats. As he grew in fame he got weirder and crazier and eventually retreated with his family and had no connections with the public.

See, i think if syd hadn't taken as much acid, he would have 1. been less unique and creative in his music, and 2. had a much longer career. but, eventually, years down the line, the underlying mental disorders he had would have surfaced, and possibly in a much more extreme and immediate way like a psychotic break. Syd Barrett is mostly considered a sad case because he disapeared from the public eye, but for all we know he is comfortable. and not only that but the music he created and inspired will forever have an impact on our culture.

[tumbledownDNA]

just thought i'd clear that up... haha im a little drunk

[the music isnt' over]

nah that was good

[OnTheJazz]

ok, Ill start off by sayin I think its way wrong to intentionally trip your pets. that bein said, had a shroom tea party a long time ago when my dog was a pup (hes 10 now), we caught him and one of his siblings cleaning out the dregs from the bottom of a bunch of ups that were left on the floor. We were a little freaked out at first, but they had a blast. they even disappeared into the gravel pits behind the house for a few hours, and returned covered from heap to toe in mud and happier than a hippie hithhiker picked up by phil lesh. My dog is pretty dam smart, so I dont think it hurt him in any way, who knows, maybe it helped.

[stebo32]

why is it wrong? do you really think animals think like us?? do you really think they are as stupid as humans??? do they live in a controled society?? hek no... As far as Im conderned, cats are an animal very enlightened.. people who astral travel always report seeing their cats also in the astral plane... Their mind is much more expanded than ours... I bet after taking LSD theyll just be like : yea whatever

[SLammon420]

dogs will die if they lick the bufo alvarius toad, but humans will trip when they ingest it's venom.

[retinalcircus]

wouldn't cows trip when they graze fields, accidently munching mushrooms as they go?

[dd3stp233]

The live-action Disney movie "The Bear" has a bear eating some kind of psychdelic mushroom in the woods. The bear sees lots of colors and patterns then starts chasing butterflies around.

[Weatherman]

there was that fictional nature movie where the bear eats shrooms.. anyone know what i'm talking about?

I saw that movie in biology. I think its just called "Bear." That part made me geek hardcore.


So what if animals do psychedelics? We're animals too you know. What makes you think natural psychedelics were meant for just one species?

[Cosmic Butterfly]

dogs will die if they lick the bufo alvarius toad, but humans will trip when they ingest it's venom.
Wrong. Dogs and humans both get very sick/die if they lick the toad. The reason why humans smoke it at high temperatures is that the heat destroys the bufotenin, and keeps the 5meodmt.

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

I saw this show on Animal Planet called "Animals Behaving Badly",and there was this animal they showed that gently bites the head of this certain kind of cenipeede(sp?) and it releases some kind of chemical that cause the animal to trip/freakout.It's crazy!The animal rubs it all over it's self.

You gotta see thsi show!They also showed these little monkey thingy's that like to get drunk!LOL!They get all fucked up and start knocking things over and then they fight each other.:D

[in da snake]

I've seen a vid of a cat doesed with lsd when they were still reaserching it. The cat kinda spasmed out and fliped around then started to sezure. Don't drug animals for fun, even for experments it's still wrong...

[in da snake]

oops very old post lol

[dacre4]

Nahh thanks for reviving this thread i found it really interesting. I belive that since animals are beings like us that they should be able to take drugs if they want. Just give them a small dose, and see if they come back for more. The cheese idea is great!

[*CHAMELEON*]

Please do not dose animals.It's wrong.It's morally wrong.If an animal in the wild consumes a hallucinogen on it's own is a very different situation all together. Bears often eat psliocybin mushrooms and I know for a fact mule deer love cannabis.Yeah sure some species of animals do get high intentionally. Lemurs rub chemicals from centipedes as mentioned earlier in this thread.Cats love Catnip. Jaguars often eat hallucinogenic plants as well.Why do think they were so sacred to native american peoples.It's definetly one reason.Cats share 66 % genetic similarities with humans. This is more than any other animal after apes and all other primates.I have noticed pet cats which were drawn to the marijuana as well though.

[GanjaGuru]

Well, I've seen a lot of reports of animals getting intoxicated on different things, there was one really good report but I can't find it again, Anyways deer and rabbits search for psychoactive fungi and Gorillas are known to chew the Iboga root. So who knows. Intoxication is believed to be a Universal 4th drive though. And maybe some of the foods they eat intoxicate them but not us

[*CHAMELEON*]

I didn't know lowland gorillas chewed iboga root.That is very interesting.I guess It might have similar effects that humans obtain from it.Intoxication is demonized in western societies other than tobacco,alcohol,and caffeine. I have to agree that there is a strong drive to alter one's consciousness none the less.Perhaps there are plants which intoxicate them and not us as well. You are very deep thinker Ganja Guru.You deserve a good college education that is for certain.I wasn't as deep of a thinker as you are at seventeen. I have to admit that.Good luck to you.

[GanjaGuru]

The Pygmies attribute the discovery of this plant to the warthogs who, it seems, are very fond of it. These animals dig holes at the foot of the iboga shrubs to chew the bark of the roots. They then go into a state of wild frenzy, leaping and fleeing as though they were prey to terrifying visions. Porcupines and gorillas also search for these roots.

from http://www.ibogaine.org/barabe.html

[*CHAMELEON*]

Thanks for the iboga link.Very interesting info there.I would have never guessed in a million years that gorillas would be consuming etheogenic plants.I guess I should have known considering chimpazees sometimes search for plants that help them get rid of worms or with other digestive problems.I would have to say the ape family is a very curious one indeed.They're are even more like us then I could have ever imagined on my own.

[poopzilla33]

well put