Why is Salvia legal and weed not?

[weedwhacker]

I just recently found out about Salvia, and realized that it is legal in the U.S, Canada, the UK, and most places, but is being cracked down on in some countries in Europe. So why is Salvia, a plant that you smoke that gives you a harmless high, legal when weed, which is also harmless, illegal? Is it because it's hallucinegetic? No, shrooms and LSD are illegal. Is it because the high lasts for like 10 minutes? No, alcohol can make you drunk for hours, and it's legal. So what's the deal here? Anyone have any idea? Is Salvia soon to become illegal? Or is the government just fukin with us

[jo_k_er_man]

^^^ drugs are scheduled according to psychoactives that are found in other illegal drugs.. since salvia is unlike any other psychoactive that is scheduled.. the government is finding it tough to make it illegal..

[squirell tree]

salvia is suposed to be used for incense

on the little packages of salvia that you buy at the store have a sticker on it that says "incense use only"

[egle]

yea. because if you breathe it in in incense it would give you a mild high that the goverment cant do fuck all about, doing it in a bong would not make them happy.

[CSP101]

No real answer, Salvia can get pretty intense sometimes particularly in higher extracts. Usually you don't just get high but trip.My guess is because it only became a mainstream drug recently, there are plenty of state laws pending on the illeaglity of Salvia. If salvia had been widely used the the 60s/70s even 80s it would be illeagal now but it has only recently become popularized. Its only a matter of time before Salvia joins cannibis on the scedule 1 chart :(

[SuperQ]

hey since salvia is legal where can i buy it?

[rak]

the high of salvia apparently only lasts for 10 minutes.

[SuperQ]

i've heard it peaks at a minute then ends at 5 then it like staggers down. is salvia stronger then shrooms?

[squirell tree]

^ yes, in some sorts

[BtownBlazer]

i want some now lol...

[YoungHip11011]

Where can it be bought? in Supermarkets or in drug stores or what?

[blink_1802]

head shops usually

[JCFN]

Where can it be bought? in Supermarkets or in drug stores or what?online too, herb shops

[SuperQ]

i was talkin too this guy at my school and he said he had salvia and then he watch porn and awhole bunch of dicks were flying around him, but he said it lasted a couple hours and when i mentioned the X rankings he said he had no idea what i was talking about. i kind of beleive him but i think it was something else not salvia

[floydianslip6]

I just recently found out about Salvia, and realized that it is legal in the U.S, Canada, the UK, and most places, but is being cracked down on in some countries in Europe. So why is Salvia, a plant that you smoke that gives you a harmless high, legal when weed, which is also harmless, illegal? Simple. Racism. Read up on where early drug laws all came from. Very few, if any, were created with public health safety first and foremost in mind, that was mostly an after thought used to push the laws through.

[egle]

mate seriusly research it alot before you take it, its a out of body experience, i had one of nos (loughing gas) and i thought id died and was floating above hell. it went after a minuit but a slavia trip can last what semse a life time

its strong stuff, i have never taken it and iv done loads of mushums and acid about a year ago and wouldnt do it, tho iv gone right of drugs and dont want to take anything really because to be honest it fucks u up in one way of anther

[jake1515]

i had a huge ammount of salvia and when i was in my room i felt like i was at disney land. and couldnt stop laughing then i suddenly snapped back to reality its pretty fun.

[weedwhacker]

i've heard it peaks at a minute then ends at 5 then it like staggers down. is salvia stronger then shrooms?yes, in fact Salvia is so strong it makes LSD look like taking an asprin. some say it's too intense, and that it can be downright frighteneing. I would much prefer legal weed than legal salvia. weed just makes you feel really good, and gives you a whole new perspective on life, shrooms and lsd are like opening up your skullcap and looking at how the gears of your brain turn... salvia just makes you incoherently crazy for like 5 mins.

[str8upstoned]

Salvia.... holy fuck. Marijuana should msot def. be legal instead of salvia. People could get hurt if they're alone and take too much.

[rak]

^

I think that is another reason why salvia is legal. It apparently produces a slow uncomfortable high. However I heard people say otherwise about that drug.

[egle]

so its legal becuase its a uncomftable high, lol that cant be right, I think its because it doesnt do alot of harm to your body and thats what te govement look at.

[Dark||Nomad]

No, Salvia is more than likely still legal because it has just sort of stayed in the shadows under the radar, not many people even know it exists.

Cannabis is illegal because of mainly actions made by Dupont to keep their monopoly on the paper industry in the 30's and to eradicate hemp. Hemp was a stiff competitor against tree based paper products, and they did not want that.

You can't make anything else out of a Salvia Divinorum plant other than the smokeable herb. With Cannabis you can make plastic, biogas, food, rope, paper, etc. So it would harm established companies that make these products.

[crankyelbow]

You can't make anything else out of a Salvia Divinorum plant other than the smokeable herb. With Cannabis you can make plastic, biogas, food, rope, paper, etc. So it would harm established companies that make these products.Oh they *could* just switch on over to the more environmentally friendly product... but that may hurt their image... which means billions less raked in next year.

Daddy needs 4 bentley's and an island - every year - forever.

[crankyelbow]

i was talkin too this guy at my school and he said he had salvia and then he watch porn and awhole bunch of dicks were flying around him, but he said it lasted a couple hours and when i mentioned the X rankings he said he had no idea what i was talking about. i kind of beleive him but i think it was something else not salviaSalvia doesn't last for a couple hours.

Given the story I'd say he's probably full of shyte ;)

[def zeppelin]

Reading about the effects of salvia seems terrifying to me. I don't know why anyone would want to experience anything so scary and intense.

[crankyelbow]

Reading about the effects of salvia seems terrifying to me. I don't know why anyone would want to experience anything so scary and intense.Curiosity.

It killed the cat and my previous form of being, or something like that... insane trip, completely insane... if there was ever a drug you DONT do at a party, its salvia.

[Captain Cannabis]

I tried to ride a bike on salvia and I started tripping out and thought I was on a space ship, I was going like five miles an hour and then tipped over and died laughing..

What a great day that was :D

[fondfarewell]

I have had salvia trips/highs last for up to 45 minutes to an hour. Here is how: A salvia high can be killed very easily. I've had salvia highs last for 3 minutes because a friend yelled at me for something or I broke something, etc. You have to be very relaxed. What I like to do is lay down on a couch or somewhere comfortable and listen to my iPod. Usually quiet music like Elliott Smith, Bob Dylan, or even The Beatles. I wouldn't recommend "hardcore" or screaming type music as it can be kind of buzz kill (for me anyway, perhaps for some people this type of music can move you). I just let the iPod play and let the trip/high take me wherever. Once it was 1:00 in the morning and we went outside to smoke some salvia. I went back inside and did what I just described. Then when I came out of it, I looked at the time and it was 2:15! It may have just been that I had gone into a half-sleep, but either way it was fun! Salvia can be intense and crazy. I often find myself studering and not being able to think logically or speak correctly.

[jusdino4it]

I personally enjoy salvia. But yeah, the reason its still legal is because it was only really discovered in modern times to give you a high in 1936. (it was used by the azteks way back). And even after that it didnt really get used at all by people until the 1990s when people started sellng it over the internet. So its a very new thing and hasent had time to pass through the law making prosses. Not to mention, saliva that gets you high is just a certain type of salvia plant, and not the others. But the others are found very commenly all over the US, its a very commen plant for gardners as well. It would be really hard to only ban the certain type of salvia that gets you high and not the entire species. Not to mention having just one type of it banned would make it near immpossible to enforce due to the fact that its hard to tell one leaf from another.

[crankyelbow]

there are plenty of laws made in the face of stupidity... a medicinal plant with profound uses is made out to be satan, while a plant that actually does kill millions every year is perfectly legal and commonly accepted.

I wouldn't be surprised if our leadership decided it was a good idea to criminalize millions of gardeners.... need more in the labor camp/prison.

Time for a political change... vote :)

[J.C]

The true reason as i know it is the U.S back when mj was legal, didn't like mexicans or blacks, and mexicans brought the stuff over to the U.S and in effort to make mexicans not want to be here, and other factors not related to the drug it's self it was made illegal. A quote i find ineresting from a texas senator "all mexicans are crasy, and this is the stuff(mj) that makes them crasy" check out http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/index.htm for more info.

J.C

[Dark||Nomad]

An example of a stupid law is that Sex Toys are illegal in Alabama, USA, I know this for certain because I live here...

[evansmj90]

Salvia is illegal in australia and is on the strictest schedule (i think) Schedule 1 - the same as pot

[Sezzy]

Lolz, salvia and marijuana are incomparable. At low enough doses salvia makes things trippy, a little higher dose and you laugh for no reason at all within the trippiness of it all. But once you break through, it's a rollercoaster.. or more accurately, you are the rollercoaster and the tracks are your subconscious. You could be easily screwed without a sitter. I became near suicidal once thinking the whole world hated me for 10-20 minutes and had to keep reminding myself it was a short trip. To whoever said they easily broke out of their trip by breaking something or being yelled at, you are VERY LUCKY, as a bad salvia trip for many is one of the worse. But the good breakthroughs I had were some of the most psyche altering, in depth looks at myself I have ever had, and I'm very thankful to have had them (I got my own 2d incomprehensible shape that stayed with me for nearly a year; and could only see it when I was on salvia or slight flashes of it while I was high :) ). Yea it's pretty ridiculous that salvia is legal and MJ isn't.

[Class]

Um, I thought salvia is schedueled to become illegal pretty soon?

[J.C]

Not alot of people know about salvia cause it scares most users away, unlike mj were nearly everyone who tried it liked it , at least a little.

J.C

[PhishheadDeadhead]

i think theres something fishy about it.

one time at the beach a few years ago i saw some dirt looking stuff, obviously it had been ground. and asked what it was and the lady replied salvia.

later in the day i came back with my friends older brother and he asked another lady working the next shift about it and she started cussing at us telling us to leave and shit.

[XBloodyNailPolishX]

Salvia is legal in California, but not Arizona. That much I know regarding its legality. I've never seen it in incense form, just smokable form. it comes in strengths; the stronger it is, the more expensive. Example: 10X, 20X, 30X, etc.
I've seen it sold in Head Shops, but thats it. Its freakin' expensive!
Its only a matter of time before the government outlaws that too; because expanding your mind is BAAAD....

[Gormur]

So why is Salvia, a plant that you smoke that gives you a harmless high, legal when weed, which is also harmless, illegal? Politics. Alcohol and meds make people foggy headed. Psychedelic drugs allow freer thinking and cause people to question authority (Big Brother), life, etc. And if everyone is smoking pot and using other natural remedies, who's going to take all the prescription drugs? It's all about the pharmaceuticals making money. The drugs they create are meant to be addictive. Ethics never comes into the equation. That's for damn sure.

As for salvia, it's legal because it isn't really a recreational drug, so not very desirable like party drugs, it is expensive, and its effects last for a very short amount of time (5-10 minutes). My guess anyway...

[autophobe2e]

beacuase legalising salvia:

does not threaten investments in oil, clothes paper etc

does not make the government seem weak and indecisive

salvia was never an excuse for the US government to deomonise mexican immigrants.

weed is/was all these things, as is my understanding.

[weedwhacker]

ahh thanks for the replies guys! when i wrote up this post I didn't know the history of marijuana and its criminalization, but now that I know it is quite clear.