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Liroy
11-14-2007, 08:16 PM
!! This lesson might be boring for people that already know their stuff about weed and mushrooms, sorry for that, but it's essential information in my humble opinion prior to starting everything !!


Intro Lesson
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Alright,
after a long wait, here we are then:
The first "lesson", as promised.

Like I said, the first one or two lessons are not going to be very interesting,
though it will be essential for those who dont know alot about drugs.

The drugs we will be looking at most with making food products are probably mushrooms and cannabis,
so let me tell you something about those first.

First of all,
I am writing this while I am quite spaced, so please ignore more spelling mistakes if I make them :)

Second,
I got a question if I am going to be handling food products made out of Salvia.
Unfortunately, I wont do this.
Simply because I doubt there is anything you can make of it, you need to smoke it, no matter how filthy it is... sorry!


Here we go then with the lesson:

Marijuana, Cannabis, Weed, Grass, Ganja, however you want to name it are other names for the dried tops of the Cannabis plant.
We have 3 most common plants, whom are named:
- Cannabis sativa:
Very common. It can get upto 6 meters high, has long and thin leaves and contains *alot* of THC, which gives you a high or stoned feeling.
This plant is also used by industry's to create ropes for example and for medical purposes.
(Note: I will not go on about science and medical applications alot, as I can fill 10, probably boring to read, pages with that I'm afraid :P)

- Cannabis sativa var. indica:
Strong plant that can also grow easily in cold area's.
Next to THC, this plant contains quite alot of CBD, which makes you feel more tired after using it, though it can ehance the experience.

- Cannabis ruderalis:
Can grow under cold circumstances. Doesnt get big at all (approx. 1.5 meter) and grows in the form of normal bushes.
(Though with a nice smell and the leaves and THC ;))
Plant is mostly used by the industries as it hardly contains any THC and provides alot of good material to use.

The plant makes special chemical stuff that you cant find anywhere else in the world.
They are named: Cannabinoides (in english terms it might defer a bit).
(Your brains also contain some cannabinoides, but the one's the plant makes cant be found elsewhere)
This far, approximately 60 of them have been found, but the most common one's are:
THC, CBD, CBN and CBG of which THC and CBD are the most common and most researched.

The 4 are:
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THC = 8-beta-11-dihydroxy-delta-9-TetraHydro-6,6,9-trimethyl-3-pentyl-6H-dibenzo[b,d]-pyran-1-ol (C21 H30 O2), which is commonly known under the name THC or TetraHydroCannabinol.
THC mainly works as pain reducer, anti-spasm, works against infections in a good way, makes you hungry (munchies) and as anti-emeticum.

CBD: Cannabidiol (dont know much about the chemical formula's on this one, I mainly studied and did reasearch to THC at school)
Not psycho-active and probably a big influence on the psychic effects of THC (mainly postive way).
It plays a big role in immunemodulation and infections.

CBN: Cannabinol

CBG: Cannabigeriol
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More cannabinoide's are researched, and they ofcourse wish to know the medical applications for them.
THC and CBD are already applied for medical purposes and legalized for that purposes in growing parts of the world,
as they can help people out alot with diseases like:
- Spasm in combination with pain. (MS and damage to the spinalcollom)
- Feeling sick and having to puke with chemotherapies, radiotherapy or HIV-combinationtherapy.
- Chronic pijn (of neurogene origins)
- Syndrom of Gilles de la Tourette
- Stress
- Helps people with cancer and HIV to supress pain and make them hungry so that they start eating.

These medical applications have been acknowledged by the government.

Most type's of cannabis usage:
- Stick, Joint or Blunt
- Base pipe / Pure Pipe
- Bong (waterpipe)
- Brownies, cakes, whatever.
- Tea

Important to know about weed for making stuff:
- THC is *not* water solutable without adding extra stuff, so making tea of it will not always work to good as the THC can start floating on the water and vaporize.
- It's impossible to go over the LD (Lethal Dose) value, your body simply cant take enough THC to cause it being a overdose, HOWEVER: you can be allergic to it which drastically changes the LD value ofcourse, so always be carefull.
- Heating THC too much and putting it in the microwave will waste it completely.


Now to tell you about Magic Mushrooms, shrooms!
First of all you should know that tripping is absolutely awesome, and second: although not commonly known is that mushrooms have medical applications aswell!

Shrooms is the general used name form mushrooms that contain the psychoactive Psilocybine and/or psilocine,
a chemical that also works on the receptors of the cells in your body, especially in your brains.
It can cause a very good feeling, feeling of unity, visualisations (colors) and hallicunations.
Those are the good effects, negative things it can cause: Huge psyhic problems with people that already have problems (borderliners should never use it), it can lead you to a huge depression if you have known psychic problems.
A bad trip is something else, but that will go away and is only a bigger risk on dangerous trips when you already have issues.

So for safety reasons: ANY PSYChiC PROBLEMS? DO NOT USE!!! IT'S LIFE-THREATNING IN THAT SITUATION.

The most common mushrooms are the fresh or dried form of:
- Mexican (easy and funny trip)
- Thai Gold (very strong trip, known for causing alot of visualisations)
- Hawaiian (strong trip, known for causing alot of hallicunations)
- Columbian (not very strong trip, outstanding for beginners to give it a shot)
- Philosopher stones (those grow underground, very strong trip which is very distinctive over the others)

You can eat them or make tea out of them.
If you make tea out of them: Use water of 70 degrees celcius max. and make sure to leave them in for atleast 15 minutes.
After that: DONT THROW THEM AWAY. just eat them :D not all the working stuff will be out of it ;)
(Note: doint boil the mushrooms, it will waste and fuck up the chemicals, also never boil it when making soup, add them as last!)

If you think eating them is filthy, then just wait till a lesson that will come about making food products out of it, it will make them delicious!
Or you can just take them with a bit of grapefruit juice, that will neutralize the taste, but will not waste the psilocybine.
(Note: dont use too much, and dont use other fruit, this is to prevent getting much vitamin C)
When eating them, it's essential to chew as much as possible on it untill it's really pulp, and suck a bit on it, then swallow.
The active chemicals will then work in their best way!

If you dont feel good, you can eat alot of sugar (prefered made out of grapes), dextro or Vitamin C.
Also, make sure to !always! drink enough water with mushrooms.
When you eat them, make sure you havent ate too much (a bit like 1 sandwich is OK), didnt drink too much drinks like cola or sprite or coffee.
On every trip, remember to drink atleast one glass of water per hour. That prevents hydration if you are having shit loads of fun and dont pay attention.

Fun places to trip:
- At home
- In the woods
- Beach (dont fuck around in the water though)

Most common way to get mushrooms are:
- Finding them in nature (dangerous if you dont know *exactly* what you are looking for, some look-a-likes are poison!)
- Growing them yourself
- Buying them (In Holland, you can do it in the shop)

Well so far for this short introduction to cannabis and mushrooms.
If you have any questions or comments, let me know.
I hope you found this first, but pretty boring, post interesting!


Peace,
- Liroy

usfcat
11-14-2007, 10:09 PM
Wonderful first post. thanks!

BoHiCa606
11-15-2007, 04:48 AM
can't wait, im excited

I_kill_emos
11-15-2007, 07:45 AM
good stuff look forward to more, you can buy shrooms at the shops in Holland damn we need some of those stores down here :)

vlaminckj
11-16-2007, 12:50 AM
very interesting and informative loved it

erecnisruoma
11-16-2007, 09:31 AM
i learned alot. thanks!

Le_Femme_Floral
11-19-2007, 09:59 PM
Wonderful!
I'm excited for more.

Mayaxx
11-20-2007, 03:38 AM
Not much I didn't know, but nice first post...

One note though.. Salvia can be taken by putting a leaf or two under the tongue.. this, of course don't work as well as smoking it, and you might not get all the stuff from the leaves, but for non-smokers this might be more comfortable..

Mayaxx

The_Man_On_The_Hill
11-20-2007, 05:19 AM
Excellent first post for psychedelic beginners brother. I am looking forward to the upcoming lessons, If you need any help/info on anything, PM ME.

Also on the salvia tip, there is a way to mix it with food.... Take a big ass hit, then take a bite out of a sandwhich, then exhale :spliff: lol

~PeAcE & LoVe~

Liroy
11-22-2007, 03:21 AM
Thank you all for your replies! :)
I'm working on the new lesson!

Ofcourse,
info is always welcommed :)
I am sure that I dont know everything there is to know, so I welcome all information people want to share.

I will verify it by testing it myself or verifying it first though ofcourse, always am double checking my own information aswell, so not meant bad or anything, just want to make sure all information is correct :D

Thanks! :)


Peace,
- Liroy

Skip
11-26-2007, 09:41 PM
I will verify it by testing it myself
No doubt! Have fun! :)

Oh, you don't mention this, but it's easier to make honey from mushrooms that trying to steep them for 15 minutes in water.

Just add cleaned mushrooms to a jar of honey and wait a day or so. They will disgorge their psilocybin into the honey. Add a teaspoon of honey to any tea and enjoy!

This is a very good way to consume mushrooms because you can control the dosage once you've established the strength of the shooms....

You also minimize the taste of the shooms this way.

Liroy
11-27-2007, 04:35 PM
Haha thanks Skip! :D
Also for the tip! :)

erecnisruoma
11-29-2007, 03:18 AM
No doubt! Have fun! :)

Oh, you don't mention this, but it's easier to make honey from mushrooms that trying to steep them for 15 minutes in water.

Just add cleaned mushrooms to a jar of honey and wait a day or so. They will disgorge their psilocybin into the honey. Add a teaspoon of honey to any tea and enjoy!

This is a very good way to consume mushrooms because you can control the dosage once you've established the strength of the shooms....

You also minimize the taste of the shooms this way.

wow thats surprisingly convinient! thank you for your knowledge, wehave great teachers here!

witheredpotato
11-29-2007, 02:10 PM
yaa honey goood idea,haaate taste of mushies,i do think get pint glass of wate,throw dried mushies into mouth take gulp of water,chew for a sort while to make sure ya dont choke keep doing that then eat a bit of chocolate but swirl the chocolate around ya mouth before swallowing,then drink water again,its nothing major but works for me

Rigby
12-14-2007, 04:14 AM
Very interesting information!

daltooooman
12-21-2007, 10:39 PM
thats alot i didnt know most of that stuff its always good to learn more peace good luck with your lesson plan when will the next one be , hit me up ttyl (--l/--)

cvx
01-16-2008, 08:58 PM
I have always found that the consumption of certian nerve pills in conjunction with mush can cause for some out of this world hallucinations (Entire environment supplimented lol).

Liroy
01-29-2008, 01:37 AM
I have always found that the consumption of certian nerve pills in conjunction with mush can cause for some out of this world hallucinations (Entire environment supplimented lol).Try salvia :)

bekyboo52
03-17-2008, 03:27 AM
that was very informative. :) thnk you :)

The_Man_On_The_Hill
03-28-2008, 07:13 PM
lol please don't tkae what i'm about to say the wrong way.

The Forum Description: How to grow and make certain drugs, such as: Marijuana, Magic Mushrooms, hashish and related drinks and food products.

Now, besides for one cake recipe, we have learned nothing, I mean it's actually worse than real high school, cuz there you actually gained knowledge.

The first class/forum was on October 30th, 2007. Its been almost 5 month with no real lessons!?!?!?!?

I for one was excited about this class, now I rarely come around the forums because it's B.S.

I say we get a new teacher who actually wants to do this and has the dedication to follow up. No offense Liroy, but your not a good teacher.

Anyone else feel me?? I want to learn about this stuff, and after 5 freaking months the "teacher" hasn't taught shit. He says "Next week, oh this monday, I'm busy but we'll start next week, oh the 1st of this month, oh I got something in the works" it's all bullshit!!!

Liroy
03-29-2008, 07:49 PM
lol,
my oh my, I bet you want the job, is that it? :P
You know you can start your own class right? I doubt you know what I know though.

Well, no offense man on the hill,
but feel free to fuck off from the class at anytime if you dont like it :)
You can easily cancel your subscription to the class.
First you say "no offense", and then you declare that all I say and my work is bullshit? Ofcourse I am fucking offended, what do you expect?

You forgot about the second lesson by the way,
so I guess you didnt pay attention in the first place anyway which is YOUR fault, not my fucking fault, is it? *sigh*
It was about 1.5 months ago, not 5 -_-
Get your facts right before bitching at somebody.

I have explained the situation, and have already promised to come with something new and a few lessons within a few days regarding making products out of cannabis and mushrooms.

If you cant be patient, then please do feel free to leave...

Oh by the way,
you do know it will not be legal for someone out of the Netherlands to post information about how to grow and make drugs to other people to help them accomplish that stuff?
Something you should keep in mind.

I think that the first 2 lessons were of good quality and very informative, especially to people that are not very experienced.
If you cant wait a while for a new lesson, then i'm sorry for you.

Anyway,
as promised, a new lesson will be here within a few days,
I already explained why I couldn keep my last promise that i made 2 weeks back, but i will do so again:

The dutch politician geert wilders released the movie "Fitna", as you may already know.
My company hosts mirrors of this movie, so I have been exceptionally busy with preparing the servers and taking security measures.
I think it was more important to do this and guarantee the well being of my staff members and the network and let you guys wait another 2 weeks rather then giving you a fucked up lesson because I did not invest a proper ammount of time in it.

IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AND IN MY UPCOMMING LESSONS (this week, estimated for 2nd of April) THEN PLEASE LEAVE NOW!!!!!
I AM NOT DENYING IT TOOK LONGER THEN EXPECTED TO GET YOU A NEW LESSON, but I will post them within a few days now.

I hope alot of people will stay to learn about drugs and cooking with drugs though,
but if you dont want to stay... you can always leave, I dont mind ;)
You are free to do what you want.

So man on the hill,
you think what I have to say is bullshit?
Then fuck right off to another place, since you are not interested in the material I post here anyway, because that's what you are saying now.
I'm not interested in your whining for things I have put efforts in to, go cry elsewhere.

But if you would like to stay... then I dont mind either, will forget about this, and hope you can contribute some nice stuff to the class...
but please dont come with this kind of posts.

Some people may agree with moth, some may agree with me,
I dont know, but please feel free to post your comments.


Peace and love,
- Liroy

The_Man_On_The_Hill
03-30-2008, 06:21 AM
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, seriously, chill out :) It's called constructive criticism, other classes i'm in on here have 10, 15, 20 lessons since the beginning, we've had one REAL drug/food lesson. A few drug information classes, but that stuff you can get off erowid.

But dude, you cried for 14 paragraphs, it ain't that serious, i am excited for this class, no disrespect, like I said before, no disrespect, but If I taught at high school, then wasnt showing up, saying i'll take the kids on a field trip and dont and say i'll do it again then dont, it hurts the kids in the class that are anticipating the trip? Do you get what i'm saying?

Again, no disrespect dude, your doing the best you can, I was just giving you some constructive criticism, and saying what the rest of us were thinking.

Hope all is gonna well dude!!!!! Good luck!!!!!

P.S. You cursing, degrating, and shooting all this anger towars me man, you should chill with those negative vibes...

~||~*PeAcE bRo*~||~

Liroy
03-30-2008, 07:23 AM
Hi,

That's a better reply.

You see,
I do like critics, because I am 100% sure I will do something wrong somewhere.
You LEARN from getting critics...

But the point where people start declaring i'm typing a bunch of bullshit,
that's not critics anymore, that's simply trying to put someone down,
and THAT is why I used alot of curses :)

Dont take it too seriously,
it's just that i'm really doing my best to get you guys very nice information,
and this far I think I have provided that, and then if I get a message like that, it just pisses me off.
Sure you could suggest getting more lessons or otherwise get someone else to do it... but the part about the bullshit just triggered some "negative vibes" ;)

Anyway,
glad you are willing to stay,
and dont worry much about the time it will take to get a new lesson,
it will *really* be here within the next few days.

Thanks for your post,
I appreciate it that you show that you can type normal things aswell...
I hope that I did the same thing with this post ;)

Thanks.


Peace and love,
- Liroy

The_Man_On_The_Hill
03-31-2008, 01:53 AM
Groovy man, I'm glad that we got past that whole misunderstanding :) And dude, seriously I think I speak for everyone when I say 'We all DO appreciate you doing this" I mean, you have a fmily, a job, a life, and you take the little extra time you have to help out complete strangers with drug info. lol it's wonderful and I can't wai til the next lesson!!

~||~*SeNdInG GoOd ViBrAtIoNs YoUr WaY*~||~

Aloha

The_Man_On_The_Hill
07-09-2008, 03:48 AM
Ummmmmmm, yeah it's been 3 1/2 months now, still no new lessons..... You got all defensive with me when I asked 14 WEEKS AGO where the lessons were. And then you flew off the handle and said it's coming this week......... 1 week turns into 2, which turns into 4, which turns into 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and now 14 weeks later, ALMOST 100 DAYS..... Still nothing????? I don't know, I just wish someone was appointed to run this class who actually WANTED to run this class. I have no clue of whats going on on your end, if your just not knowledgeable or bored or have no time or simply can't handle responsibility..... I know there are many people disappointed, when this first started up there were at least 30-40 individuals saying they were excited and anticipating new lessons, me being one of them, and we get nothing!!! I'm just shocked by your continuing bullshit. I was reading some of the earlier threads and eveytime you posted a message you said, and I quote "New lesson coming in a couple days.... New lesson coming in about a week.... New lesson coming tomorrow...."


Whatever, i'm just disappointed and have nothing left to say......

LikeanArtist
07-09-2008, 09:16 PM
I totally agree with you Man on the Hill. I've read everything here and haven't learned anything new, which is quite sad because I don't know much. Basically just tid bits that I get here and there for the forums, but again nothing new here.

I guess it wouldn't be such a let down if he hadn't made the commitment and false promises.

This page has lots of useful information on shrooms, and it is quite easy to understand and follow.
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek

Stoner_man
09-22-2008, 07:29 PM
Yeah, im looking to learn about the production and not the history and shit. How do I start a grow operation?