Next Biggest Attack On The U.S. [Archive]

campbell34

09-16-2004, 08:47 AM

How about nxt attack on the World from the US? War and invasion of other countries simply isnt the answ3er, jesus christ, cant they see that?? They have to solve the problem at the core. Dnt ask me how to, but violence isnt the solution.
Well you have to understand that there are people and countries in the world who really, really, hate America. There are nations who believe they will solve it at the core when America nolonger exist. North Korea is believed to have at least 2 nuclear bombs with more on the way, Iran will have one in 6 months. Other nations are working on them. In Iraq there would be many men waiting in lines to be the first man choosen to detonate the first atomic bomb in an American city. You see an atomic warhead would easily fit in the back seat of most cars. Someday in our future one of these warheads will be transported to an America city and detonated. Thats what our government know's. One SUV drives to the center of chicago and in a matter of seconds Chicago is gone along with millions of people. It's really just a matter of time now before this happens. What will a president in office do then. He will have no idea who even did it. The next day it might be New York City. What bush is trying to do now is unseat the unstable countries that might consider doing this but he will fail. The America people donot understand the threat. Only when America is gone will the few remaining citizens understand. I love this country, but our nations days are truly numbered.

seamonster66

09-16-2004, 09:15 AM

boringtree

09-17-2004, 01:27 AM

i dont think there will be one. in the near future anyway

the bush admin were successful enough with 911

Deep Fried

09-18-2004, 05:34 AM

i dont think there will be one. in the near future anyway

the bush admin were successful enough with 911
Oh I could have alot of fun with this one...but I won't.

themnax

09-18-2004, 08:59 AM

the next attack will occur when it is most convenient to the
pseudo-conservative so called political right to frighten
people into forgetting how useless, harmful and totaly
unneccessary the so called political right really is

the only right made by two wrongs is a political right wing

=^^=
.../\...

JesusDiedForU

09-19-2004, 04:39 AM

Lodui

09-19-2004, 11:25 AM

]Who will be behind it? Me.
What will happen and what will happen after it's over? I will bring about a revoluton to this planet.
When will it happen? Its beyond your understanding.
Why will it happen? It is the will of the earth.
Where to will this next biggest attack be? The entirety of the planet.
How will it happen? It is beyond your understanding.

JanaXGIRL

09-19-2004, 11:40 AM

oh, I can't give you answers, but I wouldn't be surprised, if some terorists or something would attact that Tower of freedom, that they wanna build in NY.. i find that Tower as a provocation.. I don't understand, why they do it..

Soulless||Chaos

09-19-2004, 11:44 AM

i dont think there will be one. in the near future anyway

the bush admin were successful enough with 911
haha yeah, my thoughts exactly

DarkStarRising

10-19-2004, 11:05 AM

Jeremiah 51:46
Wasn't that about the liberation of the Jews???

fulmah

10-19-2004, 08:01 PM

Wasn't that about the liberation of the Jews???
Yes. It refers to the vengeance taken out on Babylon, their king Nebuchadrezzor, and the Chaldeans.

MattInVegas

10-19-2004, 08:14 PM

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon33.gif Next Biggest Attack On The U.S.
Who will be behind it?

I'm only responding to the above. The next Major attack, should come from our own citezens. These clowns have led us long enough. Are you being represented? I'm not.

Soulless||Chaos

10-20-2004, 01:35 AM

Fuckin' right! They sure as hell don't represent me! :D

randy

11-20-2004, 02:31 AM

no they dont

we should be representing ourselves and taking a stand, make changes for the better

JesusDiedForU

11-20-2004, 08:26 AM

Yes. It refers to the vengeance taken out on Babylon, their king Nebuchadrezzor, and the Chaldeans.
The descriptions of Babylon in Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Revelation 18 is not Ancient Babylon.

campbell34

11-20-2004, 10:53 AM

Quote: The bible states that there will be a total break down of the american government. While the government troops are fighting with each other

Please, for my own information, find the bible phrase that mentions thisI believe it is Jer. 51 near the end of the chapter. I will get back to u on this one soon. It also states at or near the same verse when America is being threatened we will only have 2 years left before the nation is destroyed.

campbell34

11-22-2004, 02:44 AM

I believe it is Jer. 51 near the end of the chapter. I will get back to u on this one soon. It also states at or near the same verse when America is being threatened we will only have 2 years left before the nation is destroyed.There is so much to be said just on this one chapter but there are actually three full chapters that speak of America, however the verse in question is Jeremiah chapter 51: verses 43 to 46.

campbell34

11-22-2004, 03:02 AM

How about nxt attack on the World from the US? War and invasion of other countries simply isnt the answ3er, jesus christ, cant they see that?? They have to solve the problem at the core. Dnt ask me how to, but violence isnt the solution.
Well Americans are a violent people. Remember we murdered 40 million of our own people by abortion, and many people who talk about the need for peace support abortion, which only reveals their hypocrisy. The murder of our own children is not the answer either.

campbell34

11-22-2004, 03:15 AM

Yes. It refers to the vengeance taken out on Babylon, their king Nebuchadrezzor, and the Chaldeans.Well actually it really is a duel prophecy, with little of the prophecy to do with ancient Babylon, and most of the prophecy has to do with a future babylon. Today the flag that flies over ancient Babylon is the stars and stripes. America is what the bible describes as Mystery Babylon. Of all the discriptions in Jer. 50 an 51, most of the prophecy deals with America.

Psy Fox

11-22-2004, 04:59 AM

Well Americans are a violent people. Remember we murdered 40 million of our own people by abortion, and many people who talk about the need for peace support abortion, which only reveals their hypocrisy. The murder of our own children is not the answer either.This is offtopic but abortion at early stages is not murder unless you want to call when I chop off my hand murder too. In both cases biological organisms die off but also in both cases there was no life other then at the cellular level thus is not really alive, they are just biological machines following their programing like the PC that I bet you don't think is a sin to pull the plug on on your PC.

We might not even be alive, our idea of being alive could be just a fancy illusion of our brains. You and me could just be nothing more then a fancy biological machine with the deliusion it is alive.

Anyway like I said this is offtopic, we have to stop killing humans before debating the rights of celluar structures that may one day become human. And before you say it, no in early stages it is not human since if you change its programing it will devlop as whatever you tell it to: fox cub, kitten,ect yet I agree in later stages it will become human and more alive then it was before.

campbell34

11-22-2004, 06:03 AM

This is offtopic but abortion at early stages is not murder unless you want to call when I chop off my hand murder too. In both cases biological organisms die off but also in both cases there was no life other then at the cellular level thus is not really alive, they are just biological machines following their programing like the PC that I bet you don't think is a sin to pull the plug on on your PC.

We might not even be alive, our idea of being alive could be just a fancy illusion of our brains. You and me could just be nothing more then a fancy biological machine with the deliusion it is alive.

Anyway like I said this is offtopic, we have to stop killing humans before debating the rights of celluar structures that may one day become human. And before you say it, no in early stages it is not human since if you change its programing it will devlop as whatever you tell it to: fox cub, kitten,ect yet I agree in later stages it will become human and more alive then it was before.
Does your hand have a brain, a central nerverous system, or a soul. I'm not talking about just celluar structures, and I can see you know little about abortion.
If you ever have a chance to look at some of the early stages of aborted children, you will see a very small child will little arms, legs, feet, and hands. This has been the problem all along. CNN will show the terrible things that american troops have done, yet they will never air what are own doctors are doing in abortion clinics, because it is not politically correct. When was the last time you saw a close up abortion on CNN. The bible states that the unborn child is as viable as you or I from the time of conception. Someday you can explain to God that it was ok for America to kill 40 million children, because they were only biological machines. Hitler looked at the Jews the same way, but Hitler and you are both wrong. The bible also states it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The God of the bible does not look to kindly on those who murder the innocent. But as you say we are offtopic.

Psy Fox

11-22-2004, 04:59 PM

Does your hand have a brain, a central nerverous system, or a soul. I'm not talking about just celluar structures, and I can see you know little about abortion.
If you ever have a chance to look at some of the early stages of aborted children, you will see a very small child will little arms, legs, feet, and hands. This has been the problem all along. CNN will show the terrible things that american troops have done, yet they will never air what are own doctors are doing in abortion clinics, because it is not politically correct. When was the last time you saw a close up abortion on CNN. The bible states that the unborn child is as viable as you or I from the time of conception. Someday you can explain to God that it was ok for America to kill 40 million children, because they were only biological machines. Hitler looked at the Jews the same way, but Hitler and you are both wrong. The bible also states it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The God of the bible does not look to kindly on those who murder the innocent. But as you say we are offtopic. I can tell you do not understand the creation of a child from a scientific POV. You can abort it as early as the day after sex (morning after pill) at this stage the only hint of human it has is the genetic code that it has yet to run. Like I said if the code told it its goal is to create a kitten it would.

Even a tad later it is just a shell, it may look like a human baby but yet it has no brain functions if you suppended its devloped there and took it out of the womb (not killing it) by scientific standards it would not be alive, its brainwaves would be flat, no heart beat all the signs we use to tell when humans die would be telling us it is dead (but it is not, it was never alive). Thus the point it not alive YET you can't kill something that is not alive. You and religion is confusing its cellular life force and potential humanlife for a human one.

In a perfect would there would be little need for abortion as there would be no rape and any unwanted kids would be raised and loved by the community but we live in a consumerist-capitalist world that has to deal with over population that also have to deal with religion throwing a wrench into the natural safty value of overpopulation that is homosexuality as you kinda guessed homosexuality allows for bonding with the avantage of no chance of offspring. Yet religion being insane as usual if got its way would kill everyone by putting too many people on the earth till the earth life support systems crash and we all die.

Meaning getting rid of abortion without fixing the bigger problems would just fuck up the world more. But because religion is fucked up it can't figure out poplutation needs to be thined out and doing it before birth is better then killing humans after birth.

BlackGuardXIII

11-22-2004, 05:10 PM

In a perfect would there would be little need for abortion as there would be no rape and any unwanted kids would be raised and loved by the community but we live in a consumerist-capitalist world that has to deal with over population that also have to deal with religion throwing a wrench into the natural safty value of overpopulation that is homosexuality as you kinda guessed homosexuality allows for bonding with the avantage of no chance of offspring. Yet religion being insane as usual if got its way would kill everyone by putting too many people on the earth till the earth life support systems crash and we all die.

Meaning getting rid of abortion without fixing the bigger problems would just fuck up the world more. But because religion is fucked up it can't figure out poplutation needs to be thined out and doing it before birth is better then killing humans after birth.

psyfox

makes sense to me, but I doubt it will supercede the hurtful, stubborn, jusdgemental, qualities that blind faith instills.

I think of the same type of things re: offing serial killers. Someday maybe we can eliminate prisons and help all criminals to learn how not to hurt. Until then, I am all for humanely euthanzing anyone with 2 or more 1st deg. murder convictions. And doing it within a year of conviction., preferablly much less.

I live in a very christian area, and when my bro graduated there were 23 fellow students who were using the daycare they needed to set up due to the number of teen pregnancies that year.
They teach abstinence here.

campbell34

11-23-2004, 06:31 AM

I can tell you do not understand the creation of a child from a scientific POV. You can abort it as early as the day after sex (morning after pill) at this stage the only hint of human it has is the genetic code that it has yet to run. Like I said if the code told it its goal is to create a kitten it would.

Even a tad later it is just a shell, it may look like a human baby but yet it has no brain functions if you suppended its devloped there and took it out of the womb (not killing it) by scientific standards it would not be alive, its brainwaves would be flat, no heart beat all the signs we use to tell when humans die would be telling us it is dead (but it is not, it was never alive). Thus the point it not alive YET you can't kill something that is not alive. You and religion is confusing its cellular life force and potential humanlife for a human one.

In a perfect would there would be little need for abortion as there would be no rape and any unwanted kids would be raised and loved by the community but we live in a consumerist-capitalist world that has to deal with over population that also have to deal with religion throwing a wrench into the natural safty value of overpopulation that is homosexuality as you kinda guessed homosexuality allows for bonding with the avantage of no chance of offspring. Yet religion being insane as usual if got its way would kill everyone by putting too many people on the earth till the earth life support systems crash and we all die.

Meaning getting rid of abortion without fixing the bigger problems would just fuck up the world more. But because religion is fucked up it can't figure out poplutation needs to be thined out and doing it before birth is better then killing humans after birth.God knew the person before he or she was concived, that would be the spirtual side of the child that is joined with the physical at conception. That is unless you don't kill the child first. At 8 weeks many woman are not even aware they are pregnant, and yet you can measure brain wave activity. By five weeks the childs heart is already beating. By 10 weeks the child already has his or her teeth forming in it's gums. By 12 weeks the childs vocal chords are complete and the brain is fully formed. And this is the age that most abortions take place. Please don't try and tell me this child is not alive. This miracle of life you think is nothing more than crap to flush down a toilet. Hitler thought a perfect would require the killing of all Jews you believe a perfect world requires the killing of these children. What's wrong with the world is your kind of elitest thinking. Where the strong decided who is worthy to live and who is not. We dont't have a problem here in America with overpopulation, we do have a problem with over eating, so I guess there is enought food for most of us. Religion has given Christianity a bad name, but the truth of the bible is for every generation. I can tell you this, if you are wondering why the Democrats can't win elections it is because of abortions. That's right you have aborted your voting base and for the next 20 years even if they stopped abortions today, Republicans will have a greater share of the votes. You goofs did it to yourselves. Read the article the cradel will rock. It was in News Week. Republican woman have 30% less abortions than Democrats and they tend to have more children. You think these last elections were bad, wait until you see the next one's. Every year tens of thousands of voters will be added to Republican voting blocks while Democrat voting blocks will shrink. The only thing good about abortion is that this kind of demented evil will someday, and that day is coming will be voted out of our land. Just like the evil of slavery. By the way, God has a plan for the earth which the prophecies speak of. But then again, you would have to read the bible to understand it which few do. And the bigger problem in the earth today is that some people think it's ok to slaughter the innocent. That is the bigger problem.

Psy Fox

11-23-2004, 07:50 AM

God knew the person before he or she was concived, that would be the spirtual side of the child that is joined with the physical at conception. That is unless you don't kill the child first. At 8 weeks many woman are not even aware they are pregnant, and yet you can measure brain wave activity. By five weeks the childs heart is already beating. By 10 weeks the child already has his or her teeth forming in it's gums. By 12 weeks the childs vocal chords are complete and the brain is fully formed.
Hello I said you can abort as early as 24 hours after sex.

And this is the age that most abortions take place. Please don't try and tell me this child is not alive. This miracle of life you think is nothing more than crap to flush down a toilet.
Things die get use to it. I don't like it but it is a fact of life.

Hitler thought a perfect would require the killing of all Jews you believe a perfect world requires the killing of these children. What's wrong with the world is your kind of elitest thinking. Where the strong decided who is worthy to live and who is not. We dont't have a problem here in America with overpopulation, we do have a problem with over eating, so I guess there is enought food for most of us.
Hello, every life support system on Earth is in decline. Every decade we have less clean air, water, soil,ect.

We are overpopulated, it is impossible to bring all 6 billion people above poverty and as time goes on the population goes up and resources goes down. More people to look after with less resources to do it.

Religion has given Christianity a bad name, but the truth of the bible is for every generation. I can tell you this, if you are wondering why the Democrats can't win elections it is because of abortions. That's right you have aborted your voting base and for the next 20 years even if they stopped abortions today, Republicans will have a greater share of the votes. You goofs did it to yourselves. Read the article the cradel will rock. It was in News Week. Republican woman have 30% less abortions than Democrats and they tend to have more children. You think these last elections were bad, wait until you see the next one's. Every year tens of thousands of voters will be added to Republican voting blocks while Democrat voting blocks will shrink. The only thing good about abortion is that this kind of demented evil will someday, and that day is coming will be voted out of our land. Just like the evil of slavery. By the way, God has a plan for the earth which the prophecies speak of. But then again, you would have to read the bible to understand it which few do. And the bigger problem in the earth today is that some people think it's ok to slaughter the innocent. That is the bigger problem. Look those that do abortions are cleaning up your mess and you piss on them. It is because of religion we have the need for them, if religion instead of teaching abstinence teached contraception and forms of sexual pleasure that don't lead to a baby, we would be well on our way on meeting your goal but your own fucking religion is the problem.

You won't get rid of abortion being a bible thumper, you'll just push it undergrond since if your remeber abortion use to be illegal in the USA then the people rised up aginst the goverment since they wanted safe abortions. Yet people like you can't figure out abortions are a symptom not a issue and until the root cause is fixed you have to be some twised fuck to want women to have abortions in unsafe enviorments.

campbell34

11-23-2004, 09:41 AM

Hello I said you can abort as early as 24 hours after sex.
Things die get use to it. I don't like it but it is a fact of life.
Hello, every life support system on Earth is in decline. Every decade we have less clean air, water, soil,ect.

We are overpopulated, it is impossible to bring all 6 billion people above poverty and as time goes on the population goes up and resources goes down. More people to look after with less resources to do it.

Look those that do abortions are cleaning up your mess and you piss on them. It is because of religion we have the need for them, if religion instead of teaching abstinence teached contraception and forms of sexual pleasure that don't lead to a baby, we would be well on our way on meeting your goal but your own fucking religion is the problem.

You won't get rid of abortion being a bible thumper, you'll just push it undergrond since if your remeber abortion use to be illegal in the USA then the people rised up aginst the goverment since they wanted safe abortions. Yet people like you can't figure out abortions are a symptom not a issue and until the root cause is fixed you have to be some twised fuck to want women to have abortions in unsafe enviorments.
So it is religion that is to blame for abortion. Talk about someone not taking responsiblilty. Wow. No, it is not religion that is to blame. This is the fault of an immoral generation that makes fun of the bible and pratices evil. Years ago abortions were few in number. And one of the reasons was because a lot of people did not sleep around like they do today. And a lot of the diseases we are dealing with now, were not common because we did not sleep around. The fact is, if this present generation lived lives in line with the scriptures, we would not have this epidemic of disease, sickness, aids, and slaughter of the unborn. It was this generation that said the last generation was stupid. And that was because they did not pratice your kind of sexual freedom. Well you got your sexual freedom, and at what a cost. And now you blame the church because it did not join in with your immorality. This generation sleeps around like animals, you spread your diseases because of your irresponsibility, and then you blame the church. It is because you rejected the teachings of the bible that we are in this mess today. This is your doing. And know the people did not rise up against the government and demand safe abortions, there was never a vote taken. It came about because of judges on the surpream court, and not by any popular vote by the people. And back in 1963 it never would of passed. According to the bible which talkes about America in at least three chapters, God is going to hand our country over to our enemies because of our evil. God states that are sins are as high as the heavens. God is going to allow northern nations to rise up against us and the bible states that all of our cities will burn, and our nation will come to her end in one hours time. Those who love the Lord will be removed out of America, those who don't will burn. The bible clearly states that nations to are north will come and destroy us. It will be a sneak attack. The bible also points out that this will happen in the day when the Jews are back in Israel and control Jerusalem. Also in this same day the bible states that the East Gate in Jerusalem will be sealed until Christ returns to the temple mount. The east gate in Jerusalem is sealed today and has been sealed for over 400 years. The Bible states that the generation of people who are born when Israel becomes a nation would not completely pass away before all bible prophecies are fulfilled. Israel became a nation in 1948. Time is running out for this sin sick world.

crummyrummy

11-23-2004, 09:50 AM

Who will be behind it? The Girl Scouts
What will happen and what will happen after it's over? People will die, cell phones wont stop recieving signals
When will it happen? your birthday, its the secret sign, on the anniversary of your birth, all girl scout hell breaks loose.
Why will it happen? to prove to your 8th grade school counsillor that you arent crazy.
Where to will this next biggest attack be? The TRL Studio, Times Sqaure, New York.
How will it happen? hot air balloon.

Psy Fox

11-23-2004, 04:35 PM

So it is religion that is to blame for abortion. Talk about someone not taking responsiblilty. Wow. No, it is not religion that is to blame. This is the fault of an immoral generation that makes fun of the bible and pratices evil. Years ago abortions were few in number.
WRONG!, there was as many abortions as there are today, they were just done by self mutilation of people not knowing what they where doing jabing shap objects up the vulva that usally also killed the women.

And one of the reasons was because a lot of people did not sleep around like they do today.
WRONG!, People sleeped around MORE before. Farmers use to fuck sheep,pigs and hens.

Not only that but it was a common knowledge here of priests taking the train to Montreal to fuck prostitutes back in the 50's to 70's.

And a lot of the diseases we are dealing with now, were not common because we did not sleep around.
WRONG! STD has been around for some time, the older ones just don't get as much attention as AIDS.

The fact is, if this present generation lived lives in line with the scriptures, we would not have this epidemic of disease, sickness, aids, and slaughter of the unborn.
WRONG! Statisticly priest fuck more as they devlop sexual mential illnesses. The Church rules are unhealthy in this respect as botting up sexuality has a high risk of warping the human brain turning people in sex offenders. Scientiest have proven it is mential abuse to bottle up sexuality is basicly mential torture that is why priest are usally the ones that fuck little boys and girls.

Through out the history of church there is evidince of the church policy on sex leading to sexual twisted priests.

It was this generation that said the last generation was stupid. And that was because they did not pratice your kind of sexual freedom. Well you got your sexual freedom, and at what a cost.
Not fully and worth not having warped priest fucking boys because they had no healty outlet for that energy.

And now you blame the church because it did not join in with your immorality.
The church is immoral for brainwashing people thinking sexuality is bad.

It is because you rejected the teachings of the bible that we are in this mess today.
It is because the church rejects love that we are in this mess. It is just sick for the church to sprew this crap of not having sex. The church should teach how to have express their sexuality&love safely without having a baby.

Instead the church keeps turning out sexualy fucked up people that will become rapist.

This is your doing. And know the people did not rise up against the government and demand safe abortions, there was never a vote taken.
Didn't need one, the people took the streets.

It came about because of judges on the surpream court, and not by any popular vote by the people. And back in 1963 it never would of passed. According to the bible which talkes about America in at least three chapters, God is going to hand our country over to our enemies because of our evil. God states that are sins are as high as the heavens. God is going to allow northern nations to rise up against us and the bible states that all of our cities will burn, and our nation will come to her end in one hours time. Those who love the Lord will be removed out of America, those who don't will burn. The bible clearly states that nations to are north will come and destroy us. It will be a sneak attack. The bible also points out that this will happen in the day when the Jews are back in Israel and control Jerusalem. Also in this same day the bible states that the East Gate in Jerusalem will be sealed until Christ returns to the temple mount. The east gate in Jerusalem is sealed today and has been sealed for over 400 years. The Bible states that the generation of people who are born when Israel becomes a nation would not completely pass away before all bible prophecies are fulfilled. Israel became a nation in 1948. Time is running out for this sin sick world. Time is running out but its mother nature that is gona be the one bitch slaping us. This world has abused mother earther way to long and she'll won't let God have all the fun:)

campbell34

11-24-2004, 01:23 AM

WRONG!, there was as many abortions as there are today, they were just done by self mutilation of people not knowing what they where doing jabing shap objects up the vulva that usally also killed the women.
WRONG!, People sleeped around MORE before. Farmers use to fuck sheep,pigs and hens.

Not only that but it was a common knowledge here of priests taking the train to Montreal to fuck prostitutes back in the 50's to 70's.

WRONG! STD has been around for some time, the older ones just don't get as much attention as AIDS.
WRONG! Statisticly priest fuck more as they devlop sexual mential illnesses. The Church rules are unhealthy in this respect as botting up sexuality has a high risk of warping the human brain turning people in sex offenders. Scientiest have proven it is mential abuse to bottle up sexuality is basicly mential torture that is why priest are usally the ones that fuck little boys and girls.

Through out the history of church there is evidince of the church policy on sex leading to sexual twisted priests.

Not fully and worth not having warped priest fucking boys because they had no healty outlet for that energy.

The church is immoral for brainwashing people thinking sexuality is bad.

It is because the church rejects love that we are in this mess. It is just sick for the church to sprew this crap of not having sex. The church should teach how to have express their sexuality&love safely without having a baby.

Instead the church keeps turning out sexualy fucked up people that will become rapist.
Didn't need one, the people took the streets.
Time is running out but its mother nature that is gona be the one bitch slaping us. This world has abused mother earther way to long and she'll won't let God have all the fun:)Hey kid, I lived back in the 50s, and I know what was going on back then, and some people did played around, but it was never like today. I have never seen such an immoral generation like we got now, not in my whole life. When I was growing up the big thing was to kiss a girl, not to have sex with her. And i'm 54 years old so I have seen a few things. In my day Africa was not dieing off because of Aids. And Christian faith was not a religion or a church, it was a belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ. When He removes the real Church most of the people in the churches today will be left behind. Along with many of the priest. The church that I attended never said sex was evil, but in marriage was a wonderful thing, and part of God's plan. The women are not here to be used for your selfish gradification. They are to be loved and respected. They are not your personal sex doll, and to many guys look at them like tyhat. And then when when there is an accident and she gets pregnant they have to kill the kid because that would get in the way of thier sex lives. What an evil and sick generation. And Mother Natures, real name is Jesus Christ who you and all people will answer to. And obviously you know nothing about the prophecies just like so many of them in the church. The blind will lead the blind and they will both fall in the pit.

Psy Fox

11-24-2004, 02:06 AM

Hey kid, I lived back in the 50s, and I know what was going on back then, and some people did played around, but it was never like today. I have never seen such an immoral generation like we got now, not in my whole life.
That is because back in the 50's it was hidden but was still there.

When I was growing up the big thing was to kiss a girl, not to have sex with her.
Again your looking at the surface. People always think the past was better but be it past, present and future there are all fucked up.

And i'm 54 years old so I have seen a few things. In my day Africa was not dieing off because of Aids. And Christian faith was not a religion or a church, it was a belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ. When He removes the real Church most of the people in the churches today will be left behind. Along with many of the priest. The church that I attended never said sex was evil, but in marriage was a wonderful thing, and part of God's plan. The women are not here to be used for your selfish gradification. They are to be loved and respected. They are not your personal sex doll, and to many guys look at them like tyhat. And then when when there is an accident and she gets pregnant they have to kill the kid because that would get in the way of thier sex lives. What an evil and sick generation.
Right, but Women like sex too. I agree there is too much shallow sex but sex for mutual pleasurement is a wonderful thing inside and out of marriage. This is the problem the church is aginst contraception or teaching birthless forms of sexual pleasurement. The church is even aginst self pleasurement so you can't win with the church.

So I do agree with you but my solution is being honest and open. Yet abortion is needed as a temporary solution to the efforts church.

And Mother Natures, real name is Jesus Christ who you and all people will answer to.
Dude you just made a huge sin, you put Jesus above God. Only God is God, remeber Jesus is only the son of God or the messiah (or simply a messiah) depending on who you ask. So the correct answer would be Mother Natures real name is God.

Anyway there are tons of religions all saying they know the truth about God. It is a crap shoot for example Islam could be right and both of us go to hell:X

And obviously you know nothing about the prophecies just like so many of them in the church. The blind will lead the blind and they will both fall in the pit. Seeing as you made the sin of calling Jesus God your not one to criticize.

campbell34

11-24-2004, 06:28 AM

That is because back in the 50's it was hidden but was still there.
Again your looking at the surface. People always think the past was better but be it past, present and future there are all fucked up.
Right, but Women like sex too. I agree there is too much shallow sex but sex for mutual pleasurement is a wonderful thing inside and out of marriage. This is the problem the church is aginst contraception or teaching birthless forms of sexual pleasurement. The church is even aginst self pleasurement so you can't win with the church.

So I do agree with you but my solution is being honest and open. Yet abortion is needed as a temporary solution to the efforts church.

Dude you just made a huge sin, you put Jesus above God. Only God is God, remeber Jesus is only the son of God or the messiah (or simply a messiah) depending on who you ask. So the correct answer would be Mother Natures real name is God.

Anyway there are tons of religions all saying they know the truth about God. It is a crap shoot for example Islam could be right and both of us go to hell:X

Seeing as you made the sin of calling Jesus God your not one to criticize.Jesus is God, I and the Father are one. If you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father. Islam does not have the fulfilled prophecies the bible does. And abortion which is muder should never be a solution, unless you think like Hitler. The bible speaks the truth you obviously know nothing about it's prophecies. Yet you try to speak hear like you know what u are talking about. And if you knew about the prophecies you would understand how little time we have left.

OctoberMoon

11-24-2004, 11:19 AM

And abortion which is muder should never be a solution, unless you think like Hitler.
I am offended. Just because YOU do not agree with abortions gives you no right to call someone who thinks they are ok (in certian situations) a person who "thinks like Hitler". We are all different. We all come from different walks of life. And we all are born into different belief systems...or develope our our set of beliefs. Either way...I respect others who's beliefs are different from mine, and I take high offense to someone who makes comments like that.

We can agree to disagree on the abortion issue. But please...there is no need to compare half of our society to Hitler.

Psy Fox

11-24-2004, 03:50 PM

Jesus is God, I and the Father are one. If you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.
No Jesus is not God and is a sin to belive Jesus is God. Your are only suppose to pray and worship God and Jesus just died for your sins. When you die you only get to judged by Jesus if you accept his sacrifice for your sins if not you have to be judged by God (suppose to be harder).

How the fuck can you have a option of judgment if Jesus and God is the same?

Spiritforces

11-25-2004, 01:00 AM

What I mostly see is FEAR

Who ?
What ?
When ?
Why ?
Where ?
How ?

Be scared

Buh !

The topic is a so "politicaly" sensible one
I am far from making fun of it in my life
Don't flame me
I don't mean anyone is better than another

Was that an expression of FEAR?

redhatter

11-25-2004, 10:30 AM

campbell34

11-25-2004, 10:46 AM

I am offended. Just because YOU do not agree with abortions gives you no right to call someone who thinks they are ok (in certian situations) a person who "thinks like Hitler". We are all different. We all come from different walks of life. And we all are born into different belief systems...or develope our our set of beliefs. Either way...I respect others who's beliefs are different from mine, and I take high offense to someone who makes comments like that.

We can agree to disagree on the abortion issue. But please...there is no need to compare half of our society to Hitler.
Well Hitler came from a different walk of life, and he was born into a different belief system, and he developed his own set of beliefs. Should we respect him because his beliefs were different from ours. Hitler killed them out of the womb you think it's ok to kill them in the womb. What's the difference? Murder is murder. Sorry you are offended, but legal murder offends me.

campbell34

11-25-2004, 11:08 AM

No Jesus is not God and is a sin to belive Jesus is God. Your are only suppose to pray and worship God and Jesus just died for your sins. When you die you only get to judged by Jesus if you accept his sacrifice for your sins if not you have to be judged by God (suppose to be harder).

How the fuck can you have a option of judgment if Jesus and God is the same?
No, Jesus is God. In the Old testament (Isaiah 44:24) it states that Jehovah created all things and the Earth alone and by Himself, yet the New testament (John 1:3) states that Jesus created all things. SO TELL ME, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS, WAS IT JESUS, OR JEHOVAH?

You might want to read John 1:10

campbell34

11-25-2004, 11:24 AM

It really bothers me to see how smug some of the Christians are in their presentation of certain beliefs. It may be alright to believe that abortion has much in common with the holocaust (though I don't believe it at all; for one thing, the element of malice is not present with abortion as it was with the holocaust), or in a definitive interpretation of the meaning of Babylon in scripture, but to insist on these things as if they are definitely true comes across as unwarranted intellectual pride. I know it well, as I'm often guilty of it myself!So if you murder a person without MALICE that makes it ok. WOW. I did not come to the understanding of Babylon by intellectuall works, but by the Spirit of God, who is now showing this truth to christians around the earth. Human reason is not the proper way to understand the scriptures. It is the Holy Spirt that reveals the deeper secrets to those who seek God's knowledge. I ask God to show me these things, and one year latter while I was staying in an old farm house up in Minnesota He did. He is a God of wonder, who is soon to return.

Psy Fox

11-25-2004, 04:05 PM

No, Jesus is God. In the Old testament (Isaiah 44:24) it states that Jehovah created all things and the Earth alone and by Himself, yet the New testament (John 1:3) states that Jesus created all things. SO TELL ME, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS, WAS IT JESUS, OR JEHOVAH?

You might want to read John 1:10
Even Jesus never said he was God and if Jesus is God, it is a plot hole that disproves the whole thing. For starters if Jesus was God he would be immortial and we would have never been able to hurt or kill him also if true that Jesus is God then Jesus DIDN'T die for our sins since your can't sacrifice Jesus to God if God is Jesus so instead it means we killed God and that can't be good.

JesusDiedForU

11-25-2004, 04:26 PM

Psy Fox

11-25-2004, 06:08 PM

PLEASE, go look up some information on the Trinity before you write anymore. In a atom there is the proton, the electron and the neutron they are all different parts but make up ONE object. Similar to the atom the Trinity is composed of three heads: the father (God), the son (Jesus), and the holy spirit. Different parts but all ONE.

Jesus was 100% man and 100% God.So now the holy spirt is also God?

Right but Jesus didn't always exist. You have way to many problems pop up with the Trinity as: God minus Jesus (as God has yet to create Jesus) taking note God is not finite in any respect (else God would only be a god and not the God) then you add Jesus (Really don't matter here if he is finite or not) to the infinite power of God and you have a change in reality because as soon as you add, it becomes finite there was a change so now even if God was all powerful, God instantly was not all powerful before Jesus.

Also time is not a problem here, it makes no differnece if as soon as it happened it always been as it is a logic problem.

redhatter

11-25-2004, 08:33 PM

Spiritforces

11-26-2004, 12:56 AM

Buh!

campbell34

11-26-2004, 06:19 AM

Even Jesus never said he was God and if Jesus is God, it is a plot hole that disproves the whole thing. For starters if Jesus was God he would be immortial and we would have never been able to hurt or kill him also if true that Jesus is God then Jesus DIDN'T die for our sins since your can't sacrifice Jesus to God if God is Jesus so instead it means we killed God and that can't be good.You really need to actually read the bible if you want to debate the topic. It's obvious you know little or nothing about the bible. You are leaning on human reason to try and understand, and that will only lead you into more confusion.
You say Jesus never said He was God. Yet Jesus told His followers that if you have seen Me you have seen the Father. You say that if Jesus was God we would have never been able to kill Him. The only thing the world was able to kill was the human body that was Jesus human existance. His spirit which was part of His being remained intact. It was His human body that became the sacrifice not His spirit. And I'm still waiting for you to answer my last question which was. Did Jesus create the earth and all things or did Jehovah? Looking forward to your answer. Please don't make me ask this question a third time.

campbell34

11-26-2004, 06:40 AM

So now the holy spirt is also God?

Right but Jesus didn't always exist. You have way to many problems pop up with the Trinity as: God minus Jesus (as God has yet to create Jesus) taking note God is not finite in any respect (else God would only be a god and not the God) then you add Jesus (Really don't matter here if he is finite or not) to the infinite power of God and you have a change in reality because as soon as you add, it becomes finite there was a change so now even if God was all powerful, God instantly was not all powerful before Jesus.

Also time is not a problem here, it makes no differnece if as soon as it happened it always been as it is a logic problem.
Jesus always existed, and this is pointed out in 1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. God exist eternally as three persons but one God.
Even in the book of Genesis when God created man He said let us make man in our image, and after our likeness: He was addressing the two other persons of the trinity. That is why God did not say let Me or I make man in my image. Also Jesus eternal existance is spoken of in John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psy Fox

11-26-2004, 07:32 AM

You really need to actually read the bible if you want to debate the topic.
I did a long time ago but stoped when I found far too many plot holes.

It's obvious you know little or nothing about the bible. You are leaning on human reason to try and understand, and that will only lead you into more confusion.
de omnibus dubitandum; everything must be doubted.

Now the idea is God is not a bad theory just no proof so it can stand up to doubt since there is no proof either way

yet there are parts of theology that can't stand up to logic thus much be tossed aside as false since God must be logical and follow logic.

You say Jesus never said He was God. Yet Jesus told His followers that if you have seen Me you have seen the Father.
Could have easily ment God is in each of us. Some say Jesus did learn Buddhism so it is a solid theory and would means Jesus was tring to say God is everywhere and everyone.

This is very logical as he was saying this to the Jewish community and was tring to reform Judaism so it makes more sence that Jesus was going over their heads instead Jesus really meaing he was the God that he should have known would piss them off and do more damage then good.

You say that if Jesus was God we would have never been able to kill Him. The only thing the world was able to kill was the human body that was Jesus human existance. His spirit which was part of His being remained intact. It was His human body that became the sacrifice not His spirit.
Yet all of our spirts are suppose to be immortial anyway the point is Jesus was mortial at least when he was alive he was also he didn't seem to have very much power to prove he was God.

And I'm still waiting for you to answer my last question which was. Did Jesus create the earth and all things or did Jehovah? Looking forward to your answer. Please don't make me ask this question a third time. I don't view the universe in such silly ways since I would think if God wanted to tell a story to us he would get much better writers also it would hit every culture around the world at the same time.

If you ask me either the Earth created it self or some God did.

campbell34

11-26-2004, 07:37 AM

I did not write that abortion was "ok," but that comparing it with the holocaust is a very poor analogy. Twisting the word of others is not a very appealling trait. The apostle Paul wrote that he became all things to all people. By that, he did not mean that he ever compromised his beliefs, but rather, that he tried to communicate with people in a way that they could understand. Rather than drive people away through arrogance, he met people where they were. His sermon on Mars Hill is an example of this. I cannot imagine that very many people would want whatever spirit it is that you have. The spirt of arrogance does not have the ring of truth.I have no clue how you could possibly not compare the holocaust to what is happening with abortion in America today. This pratice was invented in Hell.To see little children laying in buckets and tossed in dumpsters is the most evil thing I have witinessed in my life. If you see these children and you see their blood on the ground and not be revolted by this you must be as cold as the doctors who murder these kids. Call me what ever you will, they call Christ those same names for bring the truth, they did not want to hear. This sick and evil society is no different. I'm not worried about driving people away, America has about 30 years left, if these people want the freedom to kill babies then they got it. The warning I'm giving out is the God they mock is going to destroy this nation. God is going to allow northern nations to rise up against us. And these nations will destroy all of America's cities in one hours time.

Psy Fox

11-26-2004, 08:13 AM

I have no clue how you could possibly not compare the holocaust to what is happening with abortion in America today.
Because for the most part it is not racist, classist or sexist. Also they have yet to exist so not as bad as extermination of a race.

Go to a slaughter house and watch cows get killed. It is actually worse as the cows know their gona die.

I'm not worried about driving people away, America has about 30 years left, if these people want the freedom to kill babies then they got it. The warning I'm giving out is the God they mock is going to destroy this nation. God is going to allow northern nations to rise up against us. And these nations will destroy all of America's cities in one hours time. So I'm suppose to care about a God that is evil enough to kill countless people? Fuck that.

duckandmiss

11-26-2004, 08:46 AM

campbell34

11-26-2004, 09:18 AM

I did a long time ago but stoped when I found far too many plot holes.

de omnibus dubitandum; everything must be doubted.

Now the idea is God is not a bad theory just no proof so it can stand up to doubt since there is no proof either way

yet there are parts of theology that can't stand up to logic thus much be tossed aside as false since God must be logical and follow logic.

Could have easily ment God is in each of us. Some say Jesus did learn Buddhism so it is a solid theory and would means Jesus was tring to say God is everywhere and everyone.

This is very logical as he was saying this to the Jewish community and was tring to reform Judaism so it makes more sence that Jesus was going over their heads instead Jesus really meaing he was the God that he should have known would piss them off and do more damage then good.

Yet all of our spirts are suppose to be immortial anyway the point is Jesus was mortial at least when he was alive he was also he didn't seem to have very much power to prove he was God.

I don't view the universe in such silly ways since I would think if God wanted to tell a story to us he would get much better writers also it would hit every culture around the world at the same time.

If you ask me either the Earth created it self or some God did.
Well people who often only look at plot holes are the same ones who ignore the bible prophecies. The bible is packed with evidence. Especially when you look at the pridictions of the future which involve Israel, the United States, Europe and Russia. Are whole future is recorded in the book. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident. It is part of God's bigger plan. If you are interested in the future and the evidence for the bible. I would suggest you read Ezekiel chapters 37, 38, 39. It's fascinating. And these chapters are just the tip of the iceberg. Believe me, people don't end up like me based on a lie. All this stuff about Jesus Christ, it's real, and you can't take that to the bank. He is a God of wonder.

campbell34

11-26-2004, 09:30 AM

Fear and ugliness and anger will destroy us all, and people of all faiths and all walks of life will perpetuate this. Jesus only asked us to follow his example, Buddha only told us there was a way, but god, (or time, or some alien race(haha)), gave us free will, and he will be the only judge. Ill find out when my time has come.
Actually Jesus did not say only to follow His example. What Jesus did say is found in John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Don't wait until your time comes or it will be to late. Jesus states that now is the day of salvation. Every man needs to be born again in Christ. When you ask Christ to forgive you of your sins He will, and when you ask Him to be the Lord of your life He will. It's your choice.

redhatter

11-26-2004, 10:22 AM

America has about 30 years left, if these people want the freedom to kill babies then they got it. The warning I'm giving out is the God they mock is going to destroy this nation. God is going to allow northern nations to rise up against us. And these nations will destroy all of America's cities in one hours time.
I read the same bible you do, and have reached some of the same conclusions you have. But I believe that you have a responsiblity to delineate where biblical truths end and your own private interpretations (or revelations, if that's what they are) begin. Surely you know that they do not hold anything like the same weight! I read your website, and frankly, a lot of the details are nothing more than speculation, but they're presented as fact, and mixed together with scriptural details. That is sloppy exegesis, or, if you are really going to claim that the Holy Spirit revealed all that to you, you are just one more self-proclaimed prophet amongst thousands, all with differring stories to tell, and one thing is sure about that: all, or all but one, of them will be proven to be false prophets once even one of their predictions does not come to pass. Yes, abortion is wrong, yes, most Americans have turned from God, yes, Jesus is returning, but you are stating things as biblical fact that are no where stated in scripture! Do you see how this can cause problems? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will inform current non-Christians who will become believers of the truth of your private revelations? Then what of all the other private revelations out there that differ? Or are you the only true prophet? You say that many all over the world are coming to the same conclusions? I will show you many who say almost the same things, but differ on the details. And you present those details as on par with scriptural truth! I hope you see what I'm getting at.

JesusDiedForU

11-26-2004, 05:48 PM

I read the same bible you do, and have reached some of the same conclusions you have. But I believe that you have a responsiblity to delineate where biblical truths end and your own private interpretations (or revelations, if that's what they are) begin. Surely you know that they do not hold anything like the same weight! I read your website, and frankly, a lot of the details are nothing more than speculation, but they're presented as fact, and mixed together with scriptural details. That is sloppy exegesis, or, if you are really going to claim that the Holy Spirit revealed all that to you, you are just one more self-proclaimed prophet amongst thousands, all with differring stories to tell, and one thing is sure about that: all, or all but one, of them will be proven to be false prophets once even one of their predictions does not come to pass. Yes, abortion is wrong, yes, most Americans have turned from God, yes, Jesus is returning, but you are stating things as biblical fact that are no where stated in scripture! Do you see how this can cause problems? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will inform current non-Christians who will become believers of the truth of your private revelations? Then what of all the other private revelations out there that differ? Or are you the only true prophet? You say that many all over the world are coming to the same conclusions? I will show you many who say almost the same things, but differ on the details. And you present those details as on par with scriptural truth! I hope you see what I'm getting at.
HERE IS A RESPECTABLE AUTHOR THAT BELIEVES THE SAME THING AS CAMPBELL.... CAMPBELL IS NOT JUST SOME CRACKPOT.....

R. A. Coombes

Biblical Prophecy has been an area of special studies and research by the author for over 30 years. It began in earnest during his years of study at the prestigious Moody Bible Institute of Chicago, Illinois; and later at Calvary Bible College of Kansas City. Afterwards, the author developed a dual career path of radio announcing as well as that of news reporter and journalist for various large and small market radio stations in the midwest. Among those he worked with in the radio industry was Rush Limbaugh, long before Rush became famous.

The author also pioneered a second career path in Sales/Marketing and also in Public Relations as a consultant for large and small clients. His most notable client was President Ronald Reagan during the 1984 re-election campaign.

Look what he has come up with... BABYLON IS AMERICA
http://www.americathebabylon.com/exerpts.shtml

Other theoligians with this view: Franklin Logsdon, David Wilkerson

This is not just Campbell's own idea...

redhatter

11-26-2004, 08:12 PM

Dropping the name of an antichristian hatemonger such as Rush does not impress me of anyone's credentials, but I'll concede that Coombes at least makes an attempt at scholarly argument in his work. Campbell's work, on the other hand, is full of all kinds of details that may as well have been pulled out of a hat, yet they are thrown in together with scriptural details as if they are of the same authority. It doesn't matter whether you or I think that America is Babylon. I happen to agree that there is a close corellation. But there is a big distinction between what the bible says, and someone's private interpretation of it. Furthermore, not only does Campbell claim that, but if you read his site, you will see that he includes all kinds of specific details, with absolutely no evidence to back them up, as if they are straight out of scripture. This is a gross abuse, and that is why I'm bothering to challenge it publically.

TheMagicalMushy

11-27-2004, 12:15 AM

All I will tell you is Russia and its allies. The rest is in my dads short 14 page book he wrote that I put onto a website:

http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon

You are right but incredibly wrong, in the bible when it speaks of israelies it doesnt speak of jews, modern day jews are the babylonian (sp), israelies, isreal whatever is the reference to the caucasian race. There are a good amount of books and things published on this. I cant really go much further into it because 1) I dont want to sound like a racist 2) I dont know enough about it, I dont want to give you wrong information and look like a dip shit. I do suggest everyone to read that though, the guy has everything down accurately on whats going to happen. Anyone who says that what is written there is false is truly a dipshit. Im sorry.

redhatter

11-27-2004, 12:30 AM

... in the bible when it speaks of israelies it doesnt speak of jews, modern day jews are the babylonian (sp), israelies, isreal whatever is the reference to the caucasian race. ... I dont know enough about it ... I do suggest everyone to read that though, the guy has everything down accurately on whats going to happen. Anyone who says that what is written there is false is truly a dipshit. Im sorry. First you wrote that you ''don't know enough about it,'' then conclude by writing that ''anyone who says that what is written there is false is truly a dipshit.'' Written where? You mentioned ''books and things published on this'' without specifying anything that anyone could read about, though you suggest doing just that. Well, the only sources I've ever seen that claim those things are racist. Could you give me a link to one that isn't? Not trying to be a pain, but would like to clear that up.

TheMagicalMushy

11-27-2004, 12:32 AM

I am a big believer that all major religions and some ancient civilizations all binded togethor. Its hard to explain, most people that have researched christianity, the aztecs, and mayans will all see this similarity. In this cambells writing I have discovered this verse, "After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight" (Hosea 6:2). Now, it was either the mayans or aztecs, I forget which, that believed on the final days of the world that there would be a three day "thing". The first day we would find the god within ourselves, the second day we would become so spiritual that we would become telepathic even, I forget the third. You get the idea though.

Its amazing how people can deny the existance of such a thing as god when almost any intellectual person should be able to recognize these similarities between civilizations which had no contact with eachother from my knowledge. The I ching calendar, the aztecs and the mayan calendar all believed the world would end on 2012. Its amazing how these civlizations all believed the same thing. Its hard for me to explain things because I have a bad memory and can only remember bits and peices of things I read. To me, my beliefs, are that the world will end in 2012 and christianity is the chosen religion.

Ugh so confusing.

Please dont flame me for putting togethor such a bad post, im just trying to get my thoughts out there somehow, put some input, I dont have all the answers to what I believe, sources, etc. Everything ive posted on this thread probably looks moronic because it isnt put togethor well.

Also, Im not positive if the mayans and aztecs had contact between eachother, I know they were both located basicly right beside eachother but were they different periods of time?

TheMagicalMushy

11-27-2004, 12:36 AM

First you wrote that you ''don't know enough about it,'' then conclude by writing that ''anyone who says that what is written there is false is truly a dipshit.'' Written where? You mentioned ''books and things published on this'' without specifying anything that anyone could read about, though you suggest doing just that. Well, the only sources I've ever seen that claim those things are racist. Could you give me a link to one that isn't? Not trying to be a pain, but would like to clear that up.

I dont know enough about it to write somthing that would be easily understandable, I dont have sources, I dont write down everything I read, I should start. I just read and remember what I read not sources.

What cambell was written. Anyone who completely writes it off is a dipshit in my eyes.

I dont have any sources, ive just read bits and peices here and there, im sorry, im sure with a google search you could uncover somthing. Even if they are racist, it doesnt make it not true. Im probably going to get a lot of neg rev for these posts and labeled as a racist. Im not a racist, I have beliefs though. I wouldnt ever treat someone of the non caucasian race any different than a caucasian.

You arent being a pain, I understand where you are coming from. Im not trying to be a pain either, its hard for a 14 year old to put his thoughts down without looking like a moron.

TheMagicalMushy

11-27-2004, 12:47 AM

Ok, ive gotten a source on the chosen race, israel, caucasian stuff. Its a book called "the reformation of israel" by WM.Norman Saxon. Started reading it now :). My grandfather gave me the book.

redhatter

11-27-2004, 01:36 AM

I do appreciate your responses, and no, I don't think you're a racist. I think you are a spiritual enquirer, who has already read a lot about these things, and thought about them as well. Not remembering where you read certain things is perfectly understandable! Joseph Campbell was a fascinating man who was a real pioneer in many ways; I've seen him interviewed by Bill Moyers, someone I have a whole lot of respect for, on PBS. I agree that there are patterns in history and in spiritual practice by people in different parts of the world that cannot be explained through rational means. Carl Jung wrote a lot about this.

I do take issue with British Israelism and ''Christian'' Identity, and would just ask you to examine their claims critically. Please at least have a look at this page:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5951/BI.html

This more difficult reading specifically mentions Norman Saxon, but may be more than you want to try to digest:
http://www.biblicalexaminer.org/ii-intro.htm
http://www.biblicalexaminer.org/ii-01.htm

All I ask is that you question the underlying motive behind the beliefs put forth by those movements. In recent years, they have become very closely identified with racist skinheads.

duckandmiss

11-27-2004, 02:57 AM

Actually Jesus did not say only to follow His example. What Jesus did say is found in John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Don't wait until your time comes or it will be to late. Jesus states that now is the day of salvation. Every man needs to be born again in Christ. When you ask Christ to forgive you of your sins He will, and when you ask Him to be the Lord of your life He will. It's your choice.

So once again, instead of beliveing we should follow his example, you belive that as long as its Jesus himself that I accept into my life Ill be alright, So I can single handedly murder 6 million people, posion water supplies and cut out the tongues of my enemy, but as long as before I die I accept Jesus into my heart and ask him to forgive my sins. Does that seem like it is what he wanted?
Better yet, could I be a society created monster who spouts out his personal truth, and ruins peoples lives and self confidence with words, treating all others unlike he himself would ever be treated, denouncing others beliefs because he is the superior one? But as long as I accept Jesus and ask him to forgive me It'll be alright?
How do I know that the zealots of this world are not just the Devil in disguise trying to lure me astray with hate?

campbell34

11-27-2004, 05:37 AM

I read the same bible you do, and have reached some of the same conclusions you have. But I believe that you have a responsiblity to delineate where biblical truths end and your own private interpretations (or revelations, if that's what they are) begin. Surely you know that they do not hold anything like the same weight! I read your website, and frankly, a lot of the details are nothing more than speculation, but they're presented as fact, and mixed together with scriptural details. That is sloppy exegesis, or, if you are really going to claim that the Holy Spirit revealed all that to you, you are just one more self-proclaimed prophet amongst thousands, all with differring stories to tell, and one thing is sure about that: all, or all but one, of them will be proven to be false prophets once even one of their predictions does not come to pass. Yes, abortion is wrong, yes, most Americans have turned from God, yes, Jesus is returning, but you are stating things as biblical fact that are no where stated in scripture! Do you see how this can cause problems? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will inform current non-Christians who will become believers of the truth of your private revelations? Then what of all the other private revelations out there that differ? Or are you the only true prophet? You say that many all over the world are coming to the same conclusions? I will show you many who say almost the same things, but differ on the details. And you present those details as on par with scriptural truth! I hope you see what I'm getting at.The bible clearly states we will be raised up on the third day. The third day will begin in 30 years. Also the bible states that the generation that see Israel become a nation once again will not pass away until all end prophecies are fullfilled. In 30 years that generation will be 86 years old. I can't speak for the other private revelations. Only my own. And I find other Christian now coming forward with the very things I am now telling you.

redhatter

11-27-2004, 05:42 AM

The bible clearly states we will be raised up on the third day. The third day will begin in 30 years. ...
Oh brother. There's just no use trying to discourse with someone completely trapped in their own self-referential universe.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 06:05 AM

campbell34

11-27-2004, 06:12 AM

So once again, instead of beliveing we should follow his example, you belive that as long as its Jesus himself that I accept into my life Ill be alright, So I can single handedly murder 6 million people, posion water supplies and cut out the tongues of my enemy, but as long as before I die I accept Jesus into my heart and ask him to forgive my sins. Does that seem like it is what he wanted?
Better yet, could I be a society created monster who spouts out his personal truth, and ruins peoples lives and self confidence with words, treating all others unlike he himself would ever be treated, denouncing others beliefs because he is the superior one? But as long as I accept Jesus and ask him to forgive me It'll be alright?
How do I know that the zealots of this world are not just the Devil in disguise trying to lure me astray with hate?
If you took the time to read my post, I stated that Jesus said not only to follow His example, but we also had to be BORN AGAIN. How did you think killing 6 million people had anything to do with my post?

redhatter

11-27-2004, 06:55 AM

campbell34

11-27-2004, 12:12 PM

Oh brother. There's just no use trying to discourse with someone completely trapped in their own self-referential universe.
Sorry but it is a universe that is shared by a growing number of Christians, and this knoweledge has come by way of the scriptures, and by independent visions from other Christians. I came to this understanding after asking God to show me the future. About a year later He did.

BlackGuardXIII

11-27-2004, 12:31 PM

Sorry but it is a universe that is shared by a growing number of Christians, and this knoweledge has come by way of the scriptures, and by independent visions from other Christians. I came to this understanding after asking God to show me the future. About a year later He did.
I am willing to let you believe the interpretations you and your buddies think are good ones. you have your reasons, I can't see what you see, I've not lived your life, and experienced what you have, so I cannot judge your conclusions. You judge mine though. I say you are right, and although I differ in opinion, I am too. We are in different places, different realities, so why can we not have different truths?
I read the Bible three times,
I concluded Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, and have the bible verses to show why.
I concluded that the most beloved disciple, John, is a woman, and have verses that made me conclude that.
I interpreted much more that is contrary to most views, but will stop there.
You need not agree with me. It matters not to me if you do or not.
What does matter, though very little, is that I hope you can respect me enough as a spiritual human being, and equal, to not say I am wrong.
If you do, it only tells me you vainly feel you are better than me. If you want to believe that, okay, but I say you are no more spiritual, correct, or righteous than me. and no less. I will make a prediction....you will say I am wrong about this too, but still I will accept your beliefs, cuz my belief is not dependent on anyone elses approval.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 02:52 PM

Please understand that it's not your advancement of the theory that America = Babylon that I find so disturbing. Quite the contrary, as I wrote earlier, I find that theory to be quite plausible. It is the advancement of the theory in one sentence, with or without adequate supporting evidence to make it a plausible theory,followed by the usage of that theory as if it now has the stature of scriptural fact. Now, I'm going to lose some non-Christians here, who don't believe that scripture is fact, but I don't mind - I'm willing to clarify this point by saying that I think scripture is fact precisely because of my faith - I don't claim scripture is fact in the same way as the pythagorean theorem, say, is fact. But I digress.

What is equally troubling is how you take one passage of scriputure, and spin an entire doctrinal point out of it, in a way that does not have the consensus of the historical church behind it. Your interpretation of Hosea 6.2 is plausible, but you are elevating it to a near scriptural authority with no real evidence to back it up! Do you not believe that scripture ought to interpret scripture, or that a Christian ought to at least take into account the precedents set by previous generations of Christians? They were inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is too easy to innovate scriptural interpretation based on what seem to be the evidence of current events. Yes, we need to interpret the signs of the times, and for that reason, based on all the available evidence, it does seem that Christ's return may be near. But there are so many ''doctrines'' of men these days, that have only threads of scripture supporting them, not strong rope. One of these is the ''doctrine'' that the Lord will return within one generation of the re-establishment of the state of Israel. That may or may not be true, and it is fine to give the reasons why you believe it, but it is not gospel.
You would say that I take one passage of scripture and spin an entire doctrine from it. Well that statement is nor entirely true. Of the verse in question I have taken two points of scripture. One coming from the Old Testament an the other from the New Testament. On this one topic there is not an abundance of evidence, yet I find no reason to reject what the scriptures are saying here because it is not repeated numerous times. Also useing church tradition, is often the way of error, taking into consideration what Jesus has told us about the traditions of men. The bible also tells us that it is the Holy Spirit that is our teacher. And yes there are many doctrines of men these days, and that is why I trust that small still voice inside of me. What I am finding is that other Christians who also listen to that voice are in agreement with what I have heard. You would say what I believe may or may not be true, but then dogmatically state what I have said is not Gospel. Which only proves, you must be elevating your unbelief of my understanding to scriptural authority. Two can play that game. I was in the church for years, and what I find disturbing is how sin can be rampant in the church and those in charge will say nothing. Yet as soon as man talks about God showing him something, those in charge will be the first one's to attack him. Because they will not have their authority questioned. The spirit of the pharisee is still alive today.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 04:38 PM

I am willing to let you believe the interpretations you and your buddies think are good ones. you have your reasons, I can't see what you see, I've not lived your life, and experienced what you have, so I cannot judge your conclusions. You judge mine though. I say you are right, and although I differ in opinion, I am too. We are in different places, different realities, so why can we not have different truths?
I read the Bible three times,
I concluded Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, and have the bible verses to show why.
I concluded that the most beloved disciple, John, is a woman, and have verses that made me conclude that.
I interpreted much more that is contrary to most views, but will stop there.
You need not agree with me. It matters not to me if you do or not.
What does matter, though very little, is that I hope you can respect me enough as a spiritual human being, and equal, to not say I am wrong.
If you do, it only tells me you vainly feel you are better than me. If you want to believe that, okay, but I say you are no more spiritual, correct, or righteous than me. and no less. I will make a prediction....you will say I am wrong about this too, but still I will accept your beliefs, cuz my belief is not dependent on anyone elses approval.
Actually your beliefs are dependent on God's approval. And those who say truth need only be true in their own eyes, are headed for disaster. And when you say you accept my beliefs, what you are really saying, is you accept them for me not for you. Actually your thinking is so bizarre. I question who I am really speaking to? The bible states their are none that are righteous, no not even one. This was never about who was righteous, but rather who was saved. And I can tell you, no one will enter heaven without the blood of Christ.

redhatter

11-27-2004, 04:40 PM

Are the scriptures in any way insufficient, that they need to be added to in any way for people to hear and understand the gospel?

redhatter

11-27-2004, 05:00 PM

I read the Bible three times,
I concluded Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, and have the bible verses to show why.
I concluded that the most beloved disciple, John, is a woman, and have verses that made me conclude that.

Just wondering which passages in the bible led you to conclude those things, since most people who believe the former these days got the idea from The DaVinci Code, not from reading the new testament. The second idea is a new one to me. I'll just go ahead and say it, and that is that I don't think a straightforward reading of scripture yields either of those ideas. There is plenty of evidence about what the early eyewitnesses claimed, not only in the gospels but also in the early church writings. ''Gnostic'' gospels, which are the primary source for those kinds of beliefs, were written much later, after all the eyewitnesses had died and could no longer refute their errors. Scholars agree that they were written later. Personally, even if I did find an idea that came along later to be more appealing, I'd still have to go with what eyewitnesses wrote, if I wanted to get as close to the truth as possible.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 05:02 PM

Are the scriptures in any way insufficient, that they need to be added to in any way for people to hear and understand the gospel?
If they seek to understand the scriptures, God will give them that understanding. The problem is, most people do not strive and ask God in prayer to open up the words of His book. The God of the bible states that we should search His word for the treasures within. Most donot. There is so much there, but this worlds attention is elsewhere.

redhatter

11-27-2004, 05:16 PM

If they seek to understand the scriptures, God will give them that understanding. The problem is, most people do not strive and ask God in prayer to open up the words of His book. The God of the bible states that we should search His word for the treasures within. Most donot. There is so much there, but this worlds attention is elsewhere.
Please, I do not want to be sarcastic, but the only logical thing to ask at this point is, if people cannot be bothered to read the scriptures, it is then your innovation that is going to grab their attention? Since the bible does not speak of the return of Christ in the early 21st century, you think you will get peoples' attention by promoting that belief and putting an imminent date on it's occurrance?

No, rather than get people interested in reading the bible, the only things that succeeds in doing is persuading people that there is no unanimity about the fundamentals among Christians, and encouraging them to concoct private interpretations of their own. Why read the bible when you can make it up? These abberations are the tragic legacy of the (second) breakup of the Church in the 16th century. Now, even ''Christians'' believe what is right in their own eyes.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 06:20 PM

Please, I do not want to be sarcastic, but the only logical thing to ask at this point is, if people cannot be bothered to read the scriptures, it is then your innovation that is going to grab their attention? Since the bible does not speak of the return of Christ in the early 21st century, you think you will get peoples' attention by promoting that belief and putting an imminent date on it's occurrance?

No, rather than get people interested in reading the bible, the only things that succeeds in doing is persuading people that there is no unanimity about the fundamentals among Christians, and encouraging them to concoct private interpretations of their own. Why read the bible when you can make it up? These abberations are the tragic legacy of the (second) breakup of the Church in the 16th century. Now, even ''Christians'' believe what is right in their own eyes.
Well if what you are saying was true, there must be a number of us Christians who's minds are linked together, because many of us are saying the same thing based on what we have either read in the bible or have seen in visions. Even after I understood what I believed, I discovered other Christians telling the same story. These were Christians I never met and yet their stories and their writings match mine. Do you think are stories would agree if we were all making these things up? One Christian wrote that in a vision, he saw missiles coming out of the water and they were coming from the oceans that surround America. What is of interest here is that in 1950 when he had this vision, there were no missile carring submarines. Yet He saw this. He stated these missiles were headed for America. He also said he saw what looked like interceptor missiles trying to knock down the one's coming from the water but they failed. His vision agrees with my story, and there are many other Christians telling the same story. We are not making this up, we are telling you the truth of what we know.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 07:41 PM

Because for the most part it is not racist, classist or sexist. Also they have yet to exist so not as bad as extermination of a race.

Go to a slaughter house and watch cows get killed. It is actually worse as the cows know their gona die.

So I'm suppose to care about a God that is evil enough to kill countless people? Fuck that.
Only God has the right to take a human life, you donot. A simple fact you may never understand. The countless people that God will judge, are the one's who hate Him, and hate His creation. American's shows their contempt for God by killing over a million children a year by abortion, and then throw these children back into God's face. God is not evil, people who support and pratice this are. These people need Christ in their lives, not abortion.

Psy Fox

11-27-2004, 09:07 PM

Well if what you are saying was true, there must be a number of us Christians who's minds are linked together, because many of us are saying the same thing based on what we have either read in the bible or have seen in visions. Even after I understood what I believed, I discovered other Christians telling the same story. These were Christians I never met and yet their stories and their writings match mine. Do you think are stories would agree if we were all making these things up? One Christian wrote that in a vision, he saw missiles coming out of the water and they were coming from the oceans that surround America. What is of interest here is that in 1950 when he had this vision, there were no missile carring submarines. Yet He saw this. He stated these missiles were headed for America. He also said he saw what looked like interceptor missiles trying to knock down the one's coming from the water but they failed. His vision agrees with my story, and there are many other Christians telling the same story. We are not making this up, we are telling you the truth of what we know. Big deal firing missles from subs were already in sci-fi in the 50's. Also there will never be interceptor missles in our life times, they can't even hit a single target without cheating, so odds are the US will scrap the MDS system after they spend trillions of dollars and still can't a single prototype to work. Not to mention if fired from submarines even if the US had working MDS they would never launch as that close since the computers will never be able to figure out it is a missle attack in time let alone calculate a intercept projectory and fire interceptor missles. Plus with that many targets currently the computers the US use, just overload and shutdown.

The vision is bunk as MDS is bad science fiction next you'll start talking about junk like teleporters.

Only God has the right to take a human life, you do not. A simple fact you may never understand. The countless people that God will judge, are the one's who hate Him, and hate His creation. American's shows their contempt for God by killing over a million children a year by abortion, and then throw these children back into God's face. God is not evil, people who support and pratice this are. These people need Christ in their lives, not abortion.
Yhea that is what we need, blind faith as we doom our species. Those unborn children would need clean water and food that is disappearing fast. You want WWIII over a few million children? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

We are overpopulated and the Earths support systems are crumbling under our weight so I may be wrong but I don't think putting more people on Earth would is a good idea.

campbell34

11-27-2004, 11:51 PM

Big deal firing missles from subs were already in sci-fi in the 50's. Also there will never be interceptor missles in our life times, they can't even hit a single target without cheating, so odds are the US will scrap the MDS system after they spend trillions of dollars and still can't a single prototype to work. Not to mention if fired from submarines even if the US had working MDS they would never launch as that close since the computers will never be able to figure out it is a missle attack in time let alone calculate a intercept projectory and fire interceptor missles. Plus with that many targets currently the computers the US use, just overload and shutdown.

The vision is bunk as MDS is bad science fiction next you'll start talking about junk like teleporters.

Yhea that is what we need, blind faith as we doom our species. Those unborn children would need clean water and food that is disappearing fast. You want WWIII over a few million children? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

We are overpopulated and the Earths support systems are crumbling under our weight so I may be wrong but I don't think putting more people on Earth would is a good idea.
Well Israel already has a MDS system called the Arrow that works very well. And America is working at full speed to deploy some of our interceptor missiles in less then 10 years. America does not have an overpopulation problem, we do have an over weight problem. I don't believe in blind faith. That is why I believe in the bible. You see I actually took the time to read this book, and what I have found is that God is going to destroy our nation in about 30 years. It is because of the abudance of evil in America. This one event will fulfill many of the end time prophecies that most people ignore. The bible states that before we are destroyed the Jews would be back in Israel, and they would control Jerusalem. Also the bible states at that time the East Gate that leads to the temple mount would be sealed up. It was sealed 400 years ago and remains that way today. The bible states that no man will walk through the gate but Jesus Christ and it will remained sealed until He returns. The Moslems found out about the prophecy and tried to break through the gate to destroy the prophecy. They could not. On the very day they tried back in 1917 the British took control of Jerusalem. Then they tried again to do it in 1967, this time it was the Jews that entered the city and the Moslems had to run again. The bible also states that America, and all her cities will burn and that our nation will be destroyed in one hours time. The prophecies of the bible cannot fail, but those who reject it's truth will die in their sins.

Psy Fox

11-28-2004, 05:50 AM

Well Israel already has a MDS system called the Arrow that works very well.
Wrong. Israel had the Arrow but with a 0% hit rate (out of every Arrow fired in the first Gulf War only one destroyed its target) they scraped the Arrow

And America is working at full speed to deploy some of our interceptor missiles in less then 10 years.
The US can't even get the Arrow to work not only that but the recent MDS has a even worse success rate then the Arrow. Even with pre-calulating the projectory of the target before the test and putting a homing single in the target they can't get it to work half the time.

MDS screams vapourware if you had the slightest bit of technical knowledge would see the MDS as impossible.

America does not have an overpopulation problem, we do have an over weight problem.
Wrong. Over weight people count for a small percentage of the total population of 6 billion. Also we do have a overpopulation, that be fruitful and multiply was a stupid idea. If you don't belive we are overpopulated you are blind just fucking look, the Earth is dying under our weight (Humans has infested the planet) and even we went to a Illich society we would have to cut the global population by at least half.

Even with abortion, disease,violence, famine,ect we can't even level off population growth meaning the biggest crisis is over population. I think God gets the message that when we abort we mean no disrespect but we have no vacancy.

Of course abortion only delys a complete crash of Earths biosystem, we need to do more. We need to make sure there is enough contraception for everyone, educate on forms of sexual plesure that doesn't lead to babies including self pleasure also not to discourage homosexuality.

I don't believe in blind faith. That is why I believe in the bible. You see I actually took the time to read this book, and what I have found is that God is going to destroy our nation in about 30 years. It is because of the abudance of evil in America.
If God destroys anything he would cross over to the darkside. Even God can't get rid of evil with a iron fist as it would lead to a dead world with nothing left.

Do you follow God because you belive in what God is or because you fear God? If God is evil enough to raise a finger in anger, sweet non-existance will come for me and I will embrace it.

campbell34

11-28-2004, 02:25 PM

Wrong. Israel had the Arrow but with a 0% hit rate (out of every Arrow fired in the first Gulf War only one destroyed its target) they scraped the Arrow
The US can't even get the Arrow to work not only that but the recent MDS has a even worse success rate then the Arrow. Even with pre-calulating the projectory of the target before the test and putting a homing single in the target they can't get it to work half the time.

MDS screams vapourware if you had the slightest bit of technical knowledge would see the MDS as impossible.

Wrong. Over weight people count for a small percentage of the total population of 6 billion. Also we do have a overpopulation, that be fruitful and multiply was a stupid idea. If you don't belive we are overpopulated you are blind just fucking look, the Earth is dying under our weight (Humans has infested the planet) and even we went to a Illich society we would have to cut the global population by at least half.

Even with abortion, disease,violence, famine,ect we can't even level off population growth meaning the biggest crisis is over population. I think God gets the message that when we abort we mean no disrespect but we have no vacancy.

Of course abortion only delys a complete crash of Earths biosystem, we need to do more. We need to make sure there is enough contraception for everyone, educate on forms of sexual plesure that doesn't lead to babies including self pleasure also not to discourage homosexuality.

If God destroys anything he would cross over to the darkside. Even God can't get rid of evil with a iron fist as it would lead to a dead world with nothing left.

Do you follow God because you belive in what God is or because you fear God? If God is evil enough to raise a finger in anger, sweet non-existance will come for me and I will embrace it.
Monday, October 4, 2004

MISSILE DEFENSE MAY SOON BE READY

BY JOHN J. LUMPKIN
Associated Press

WASHINGTON-THE military is in the final stages of readying its national ballistic missile defense system, with officials predicting it will be activated before year's end. But several questions remain, including how well the experimental missile interceptors work.
The Pentagon maintains that any defense against intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) is better than none. Critics contend the Bush administration is vastly overselling an expensive, unproven defense system.

Well it appears you were wrong on the MDS, it is going to be deployed and according to the bible and visions from other Christians the defense system will fail, when it is needed. The bible again was right and you are wrong. Remember you said we were not going to have one. You must go through life ignoring everything that is happening around you, and think because you say it on line your views are true. With Bush in the White House for 4 more years this system will be activated.
During the gulf war are missiles did hit the scuds a number of times but they did not destroy the war heads which did blow up when they hit the ground.

And as far as killing the unborn, God gets the message alright. Abortion is another way of giving God the finger, which American's do a lot.

Those who reject God's truth will not die and go to sweet non existance, but rather they will enter the relm of fire. Which is eternal flames prepared for the Devil and those who support him.

It is not God who has imbraced the dark side. God knows how to save His people, and He has prepared the host of heven to remove His people before the day of vengence is visited on the earth. Those who love murder will live in an earth of murders. What horror is in store for those who mock God.

campbell34

11-28-2004, 05:07 PM

Wrong. Israel had the Arrow but with a 0% hit rate (out of every Arrow fired in the first Gulf War only one destroyed its target) they scraped the Arrow
The US can't even get the Arrow to work not only that but the recent MDS has a even worse success rate then the Arrow. Even with pre-calulating the projectory of the target before the test and putting a homing single in the target they can't get it to work half the time.

MDS screams vapourware if you had the slightest bit of technical knowledge would see the MDS as impossible.

Wrong. Over weight people count for a small percentage of the total population of 6 billion. Also we do have a overpopulation, that be fruitful and multiply was a stupid idea. If you don't belive we are overpopulated you are blind just fucking look, the Earth is dying under our weight (Humans has infested the planet) and even we went to a Illich society we would have to cut the global population by at least half.

Even with abortion, disease,violence, famine,ect we can't even level off population growth meaning the biggest crisis is over population. I think God gets the message that when we abort we mean no disrespect but we have no vacancy.

Of course abortion only delys a complete crash of Earths biosystem, we need to do more. We need to make sure there is enough contraception for everyone, educate on forms of sexual plesure that doesn't lead to babies including self pleasure also not to discourage homosexuality.

If God destroys anything he would cross over to the darkside. Even God can't get rid of evil with a iron fist as it would lead to a dead world with nothing left.

Do you follow God because you belive in what God is or because you fear God? If God is evil enough to raise a finger in anger, sweet non-existance will come for me and I will embrace it.
The Gulf War, that is ancient history.
ARROW MISSILE- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you say they scraped the Arrow.

On July 29, 2004 Israel and the USA carried out joint experiment in the USA, in which the Arrow was launched against a real Scud missile. The experiment was a success, as the Arrow destroyed the Scud with a direct hit.

Following the successful trial the Israeli Minister of Defense, Shaul Mofaz said,

"this is a central plank of Israel's defense ability. The success of the test is further proof of the technological superiority of Israeli Defense Industries"

The system has a high success rate and Israel plans to deploy the system at several locations to provide complete protection for the state. Procedures are reportedly in place to launch a second Arrow Interceptor should the first miss and to then launch one of the latest Patriot missiles should both fail.

Doesen't look like they scraped the Arrow to me.

I'm sorry to say this, but you really need to do your homework. It appears to me you know nothing about what's going on in the world. Yet, you get on this post and make these broad statements without one ounce of fact to back up your statements.

Psy Fox

11-28-2004, 05:11 PM

Monday, October 4, 2004

MISSILE DEFENSE MAY SOON BE READY

BY JOHN J. LUMPKIN
Associated Press

WASHINGTON-THE military is in the final stages of readying its national ballistic missile defense system, with officials predicting it will be activated before year's end. But several questions remain, including how well the experimental missile interceptors work.
The Pentagon maintains that any defense against intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) is better than none. Critics contend the Bush administration is vastly overselling an expensive, unproven defense system.

Well it appears you were wrong on the MDS, it is going to be deployed and according to the bible and visions from other Christians the defense system will fail, when it is needed. The bible again was right and you are wrong. Remember you said we were not going to have one.
We won't, it is just a scam for the Bush admin to line the pockets of their freinds.

You must go through life ignoring everything that is happening around you, and think because you say it on line your views are true. With Bush in the White House for 4 more years this system will be activated.
There is nothing to activate, it a hoax like Regans starwars....Russian spys have already found that out which why Russia is no longer is aginst the MDS.

During the gulf war are missiles did hit the scuds a number of times but they did not destroy the war heads which did blow up when they hit the ground.
Wrong they came close and the computer blew them up to terminate their flight path so the armed warhead would not fall back to Earth the fact that some did some damage to scuds was a side effects.

And as far as killing the unborn, God gets the message alright. Abortion is another way of giving God the finger, which American's do a lot.
We have no space. There is no vacany on Earth. All because of that all be fruitful and multiplus so if God said it, God is partly to blame.

Those who reject God's truth will not die and go to sweet non existance, but rather they will enter the relm of fire. Which is eternal flames prepared for the Devil and those who support him.
Your just being silly, like God is going to be more evil the humanity. Torturing good people that just don't agree with him that would make God as bad as Stalin.

It is not God who has imbraced the dark side. God knows how to save His people, and He has prepared the host of heven to remove His people before the day of vengence is visited on the earth. Those who love murder will live in an earth of murders. What horror is in store for those who mock God. If God has that big of ego he is unenlightened jerk with too much power.

You selling God like those of Greek myth, full of human flaws.

campbell34

11-28-2004, 07:34 PM

We won't, it is just a scam for the Bush admin to line the pockets of their freinds.
There is nothing to activate, it a hoax like Regans starwars....Russian spys have already found that out which why Russia is no longer is aginst the MDS.

Wrong they came close and the computer blew them up to terminate their flight path so the armed warhead would not fall back to Earth the fact that some did some damage to scuds was a side effects.

We have no space. There is no vacany on Earth. All because of that all be fruitful and multiplus so if God said it, God is partly to blame.
Your just being silly, like God is going to be more evil the humanity. Torturing good people that just don't agree with him that would make God as bad as Stalin.
If God has that big of ego he is unenlightened jerk with too much power.

You selling God like those of Greek myth, full of human flaws.
So what you are telling me is when Iraq was shooting scuds into Israel. Iraq blew up their own misiles to terminate their flight path. And why would they do that? And russia knows are anti missiles system will not work so they are building one now that would destroy ours. And why would they do that? And if they are not against are system why are they spending millions of dollars to destroy ours? The bible predicted the Jews would return an take south Israel first they did 1948. The bible said they would take Jerusalem second, they did 1967. The bible said the East Gate would remain sealed untill Christ returns, it is. The bible states that when the Jews return they would be surrounded by enemies they are. The bible stated that in the day that Christ returns, nations could destroy other nations in one hours time, they can. No, God is not the one with the human flaws, it is people who think they are better than God, who support the killing of inocent human life. God states that in the end, all people who love evil, will be burned in the furnace of fire. Their will be no murders in heaven. God states that those who love evil have reprobate minds, they mock what is holy, and rejoice in their evil ways. Their shall be wailing and nashing of teeth for those who think murder is acceptable. The bible speaks the truth you can see this in the prophecies. Ignore that truth, and ten million years from now you will still be cursing yourself for an endless eternity. Believe me, the bible is not a book you want to mock or ignore.

squawkers7

11-28-2004, 07:39 PM

whichever country the USA has made mad...whoever we helped out by giving them weapons...which ever country that lets us boss it around

Psy Fox

11-28-2004, 07:57 PM

So what you are telling me is when Iraq was shooting scuds into Israel. Iraq blew up their own misiles to terminate their flight path. And why would they do that?
No Isreal and US blew up their interseptors since the computer is programed to blow them up. The interseptors didn't get within effective range yet the computer couldn't just let the interseptors fall back else they would blow up and damage what its tring to protect. The Scuds just got in the way of the falling debris of the interseptors.

And russia knows are anti missiles system will not work so they are building one now that would destroy ours. And why would they do that?
Ohhh they had technology to get passed the MDS since the 70's. It cost Russia and China next to nothing to ensure all their ICBMs can fool MDS in the event the US tries to put MDS in the field and it gets lucky.

Since the 70's they had dummy warhead, multipul warhead and minimissles in ICBMS.

And if they are not against are system why are they spending millions of dollars to destroy ours?
Try just hundreds of thousands to MDS proof, it is more an exuse to update their ICBMs. Russia wants new warhead and better tracking/targeting systems and MDS proofing is a good cover.

The bible predicted the Jews would return an take south Israel first they did 1948. The bible said they would take Jerusalem second, they did 1967. The bible said the East Gate would remain sealed untill Christ returns, it is. The bible states that when the Jews return they would be surrounded by enemies they are. The bible stated that in the day that Christ returns, nations could destroy other nations in one hours time, they can.
Yhea and they all are mostly likely self fulfilled prophecies.

No, God is not the one with the human flaws, it is people who think they are better than God, who support the killing of inocent human life. God states that in the end, all people who love evil, will be burned in the furnace of fire. Their will be no murders in heaven.
Uhhh God created a flood and killed countless of innocent animals for no good reason. Either a) God is a murder that makes your statment false or b) We are just talking about myth

God states that those who love evil have reprobate minds, they mock what is holy, and rejoice in their evil ways. Their shall be wailing and nashing of teeth for those who think murder is acceptable.
Again God supposedly killed alot unless you take those instances as myth that weaken alot of what your saying.

The bible speaks the truth you can see this in the prophecies. Ignore that truth, and ten million years from now you will still be cursing yourself for an endless eternity. Believe me, the bible is not a book you want to mock or ignore. It is either completly true and God is not 100% good or the bible is not 100% true or worse pure myth. Of course God can exist even if the bible is myth.

campbell34

11-28-2004, 11:59 PM

No Isreal and US blew up their interseptors since the computer is programed to blow them up. The interseptors didn't get within effective range yet the computer couldn't just let the interseptors fall back else they would blow up and damage what its tring to protect. The Scuds just got in the way of the falling debris of the interseptors.

Ohhh they had technology to get passed the MDS since the 70's. It cost Russia and China next to nothing to ensure all their ICBMs can fool MDS in the event the US tries to put MDS in the field and it gets lucky.

Since the 70's they had dummy warhead, multipul warhead and minimissles in ICBMS.

Try just hundreds of thousands to MDS proof, it is more an exuse to update their ICBMs. Russia wants new warhead and better tracking/targeting systems and MDS proofing is a good cover.

Yhea and they all are mostly likely self fulfilled prophecies.

Uhhh God created a flood and killed countless of innocent animals for no good reason. Either a) God is a murder that makes your statment false or b) We are just talking about myth

Again God supposedly killed alot unless you take those instances as myth that weaken alot of what your saying.
It is either completly true and God is not 100% good or the bible is not 100% true or worse pure myth. Of course God can exist even if the bible is myth.
In the 70's America used a plane called the SR-71 for spy flights over Russia. The plane flew thousands of missions at mach 3.2 and at an altitude of 85,000 feet. In that whole time Russia was never able to shoot them down. This plane was much slower than any missile, yet they could not even bring one down. And could you give me your source, that states that Russia, an China had missiel to missile technology back in the 70's. Don't worry, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it. I think you make up your facts as you type anyway, RIGHT.

Psy Fox

11-29-2004, 01:35 AM

In the 70's America used a plane called the SR-71 for spy flights over Russia. The plane flew thousands of missions at mach 3.2 and at an altitude of 85,000 feet. In that whole time Russia was never able to shoot them down. This plane was much slower than any missile, yet they could not even bring one down. And could you give me your source, that states that Russia, an China had missiel to missile technology back in the 70's. Don't worry, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it. I think you make up your facts as you type anyway, RIGHT. You don't need missle to missle technlogy to overcome MDS. Also you just proved a problem with MDS, it is far easier to design a ICBM then a interceptor.

In the 70's they had dummy warheads and multipul warheads for other reasons. The dummies where to bog down tracking systems to make it harder to know where it is going to hit and multipul warheads was to do more damage and incase of duds.

The book "The New Nuclear Danger" goes into some of this.

Yet russia did try missle to missle in the 80's but found they would need more computing power then that of all the computers we have even today.

campbell34

11-29-2004, 08:26 AM

You don't need missle to missle technlogy to overcome MDS. Also you just proved a problem with MDS, it is far easier to design a ICBM then a interceptor.

In the 70's they had dummy warheads and multipul warheads for other reasons. The dummies where to bog down tracking systems to make it harder to know where it is going to hit and multipul warheads was to do more damage and incase of duds.

The book "The New Nuclear Danger" goes into some of this.

Yet russia did try missle to missle in the 80's but found they would need more computing power then that of all the computers we have even today.
Yes and I find it interesting that the bible predicted there would be a country like America in the last days that would build up an air defense that would fail, and this country and all of her cities would be destroyed in one hours time. By an enemy from the north who would surround her. And even more interesting is at that same time the Jews would of already of returned to Israel. And the captial of Israel would be Jer(USA)lem. And we also find that these are not self fulfilling prophecies. For know one could of predicted the discovery of a nation like America 3,000 years ago, that would have a faulty air defense system protecting her. Just as the Old Testament prophets could not of predicted that the East Gate of Jerusalem would be buried, and then a second Gate would be built on top of the old gate, and that the second gate would be sealed up so no one could pass through it. And then they predicted that the gate would never be opened up until Christ would return. And as the prophecy stated that gate is sealed today. And they also predicted that any attempt to break the prophecy would end in failure. And two attempts were made by Moslems once in 1917 and a second time in 1967. And on both attempts Jerusalem passed from Moslem control on the very day they tried to break the prophecy. And now the bible states that America is going to have a defense that will fail. I actually typed a 14 page paper describing pretty much the whole story. You know that a missile defense will not work. I know it will not work, not because of my technical understanding, but because of my biblical understanding. The bible states that America will not counter attack. It also states that after this the Sun will be dimed, the stars will withdraw there light, and the moon will appear blood red. The expected atmospheric change do to a nuclear war. The bible also states that after the attack man an beast would have to flee the land and no one will ever be able to live in that land again. It also says that no man will even be able to return to that land even to remove a stone for a foundation because the land will be completely polluted. Non of these event's comes even close to a self fulfilling prophecy.
And there are so many other prophecies talking about our future.

Psy Fox

11-29-2004, 06:05 PM

Yes and I find it interesting that the bible predicted there would be a country like America in the last days that would build up an air defense that would fail, and this country and all of her cities would be destroyed in one hours time.
Yet I don't see how America would deploy MDS. Arrow and Patriot are built for much shorter range missles going alot slower. MDS is suppose to defend aginst ICBM that your saying will be threat. For that you need big iron, (dinky mini-computers won't do) like that of Norad. Norad computers are already pushed to the max with scaning the skies and they have the bleeding edge big iron and they are borrowing processing time from NASA and others.

For MDS to be able to be turned on another massive computer center bigger then Norad will have to be build to do on the fly intercept calculations of the targets given by Norads computers. That would be a mega project on its own and so far no computer center for MDS has been built. If they did we'd hear it from hackers bumping into it as it would have to be on the defence network that the hacker elite constantly explore. All those supercomputers with huge mips ratings would be the talk of the underground if just one hacker found a trace of them.

Without a computer center the MDS will just sit there as a ICBM attack will overload any standalone system as there would be just too much data. That is why MDS is only being tested with easier targets.

By an enemy from the north who would surround her. And even more interesting is at that same time the Jews would of already of returned to Israel. And the captial of Israel would be Jer(USA)lem. And we also find that these are not self fulfilling prophecies. For know one could of predicted the discovery of a nation like America 3,000 years ago, that would have a faulty air defense system protecting her.
Nostradamus and before you take that as proof Nostradamus also did tons of false predictions and all of his predictions are so cryptic most of the time it is people interpeting it in a way that it seems predictions are true just like fortune cookies, horoscopes,ect.

Just as the Old Testament prophets could not of predicted that the East Gate of Jerusalem would be buried, and then a second Gate would be built on top of the old gate, and that the second gate would be sealed up so no one could pass through it. And then they predicted that the gate would never be opened up until Christ would return. And as the prophecy stated that gate is sealed today. And they also predicted that any attempt to break the prophecy would end in failure. And two attempts were made by Moslems once in 1917 and a second time in 1967. And on both attempts Jerusalem passed from Moslem control on the very day they tried to break the prophecy. And now the bible states that America is going to have a defense that will fail. I actually typed a 14 page paper describing pretty much the whole story. You know that a missile defense will not work. I know it will not work, not because of my technical understanding, but because of my biblical understanding. The bible states that America will not counter attack. It also states that after this the Sun will be dimed, the stars will withdraw there light, and the moon will appear blood red. The expected atmospheric change do to a nuclear war.
That is a contradiction, if the US does not counter how can we have a full nuclear war. Most of the ICMBs are under US control, if the US does not counter attack (As in launch ICBMs when they see the ICBMs comming in) Norad will most likey be distroyed as would the missle silos meaning the US can't fire nukes for some time.

This is a reason why MDS will never be deployed as you have to still stick to MAD or you will not be able to launch a counter attack.

That would mean it is not a nuclear war of 2 parties exchanges ICBMs but one side nuking the other.

The bible also states that after the attack man an beast would have to flee the land and no one will ever be able to live in that land again. It also says that no man will even be able to return to that land even to remove a stone for a foundation because the land will be completely polluted. Non of these event's comes even close to a self fulfilling prophecy.
They are also scientifically wrong. With a limmited nuclear war people can still live on the land like people still live and work around Chernobyl, not healthy but living there would only give you cancer and shorten your life by a couple of decades. The US has already used nuclear weapons in Iraq. All those people in Iraq are posined by DU roundeds and they are still there.

For nuclear weapons to be as deadly as your talking about it would have to a full nuclear war but then everybody dies as the radation would drift arould the world plus a second ice age would be triggered as the sun would be blocked out.

BlackGuardXIII

11-30-2004, 10:13 AM

campbell34

11-30-2004, 06:58 PM

For know one could of predicted the discovery of a nation like America 3,000 years ago,
Campbell 34

Where do you think the name came from? The land that was over the sea in the west had been called Lamerika 3000 years ago, so someone could and did.

The idea that Amerigo Vespucci is the source of the name America is a joke. He is a totally illogical choice, and very unimportant figure in history. There is no good reason why anyone would name the new world after him.
Yes, I see you cut off my sentence in the middle. Did Lamerika also predict that America would have a defense system that would fail, like the bible predicted.
If you are going to post something I wrote, please put my full statement in.

campbell34

11-30-2004, 10:45 PM

Yet I don't see how America would deploy MDS. Arrow and Patriot are built for much shorter range missles going alot slower. MDS is suppose to defend aginst ICBM that your saying will be threat. For that you need big iron, (dinky mini-computers won't do) like that of Norad. Norad computers are already pushed to the max with scaning the skies and they have the bleeding edge big iron and they are borrowing processing time from NASA and others.

For MDS to be able to be turned on another massive computer center bigger then Norad will have to be build to do on the fly intercept calculations of the targets given by Norads computers. That would be a mega project on its own and so far no computer center for MDS has been built. If they did we'd hear it from hackers bumping into it as it would have to be on the defence network that the hacker elite constantly explore. All those supercomputers with huge mips ratings would be the talk of the underground if just one hacker found a trace of them.

Without a computer center the MDS will just sit there as a ICBM attack will overload any standalone system as there would be just too much data. That is why MDS is only being tested with easier targets.

Nostradamus and before you take that as proof Nostradamus also did tons of false predictions and all of his predictions are so cryptic most of the time it is people interpeting it in a way that it seems predictions are true just like fortune cookies, horoscopes,ect.

That is a contradiction, if the US does not counter how can we have a full nuclear war. Most of the ICMBs are under US control, if the US does not counter attack (As in launch ICBMs when they see the ICBMs comming in) Norad will most likey be distroyed as would the missle silos meaning the US can't fire nukes for some time.

This is a reason why MDS will never be deployed as you have to still stick to MAD or you will not be able to launch a counter attack.

That would mean it is not a nuclear war of 2 parties exchanges ICBMs but one side nuking the other.

They are also scientifically wrong. With a limmited nuclear war people can still live on the land like people still live and work around Chernobyl, not healthy but living there would only give you cancer and shorten your life by a couple of decades. The US has already used nuclear weapons in Iraq. All those people in Iraq are posined by DU roundeds and they are still there.

For nuclear weapons to be as deadly as your talking about it would have to a full nuclear war but then everybody dies as the radation would drift arould the world plus a second ice age would be triggered as the sun would be blocked out.
You said they will never deploy such a system, and they don't have the computors ect. They already have the first part of this system, and it is to be deployed at the end of 2007. America's ground-base missile interceptors are scheduled to grow to 28 at both Alaska and California launch sites. The system is in it's infancy, but it is will on it's way. They have spend 70 billion
so far and they will continue to spend no less than 8 billion ever year from here on out.

Comparing Nostradamus to Bible prophecy is like apples to oranges. There are no false predictions in the bible. If there are, please point them out to me.

campbell34

11-30-2004, 11:06 PM

Yet I don't see how America would deploy MDS. Arrow and Patriot are built for much shorter range missles going alot slower. MDS is suppose to defend aginst ICBM that your saying will be threat. For that you need big iron, (dinky mini-computers won't do) like that of Norad. Norad computers are already pushed to the max with scaning the skies and they have the bleeding edge big iron and they are borrowing processing time from NASA and others.

For MDS to be able to be turned on another massive computer center bigger then Norad will have to be build to do on the fly intercept calculations of the targets given by Norads computers. That would be a mega project on its own and so far no computer center for MDS has been built. If they did we'd hear it from hackers bumping into it as it would have to be on the defence network that the hacker elite constantly explore. All those supercomputers with huge mips ratings would be the talk of the underground if just one hacker found a trace of them.

Without a computer center the MDS will just sit there as a ICBM attack will overload any standalone system as there would be just too much data. That is why MDS is only being tested with easier targets.

Nostradamus and before you take that as proof Nostradamus also did tons of false predictions and all of his predictions are so cryptic most of the time it is people interpeting it in a way that it seems predictions are true just like fortune cookies, horoscopes,ect.

That is a contradiction, if the US does not counter how can we have a full nuclear war. Most of the ICMBs are under US control, if the US does not counter attack (As in launch ICBMs when they see the ICBMs comming in) Norad will most likey be distroyed as would the missle silos meaning the US can't fire nukes for some time.

This is a reason why MDS will never be deployed as you have to still stick to MAD or you will not be able to launch a counter attack.

That would mean it is not a nuclear war of 2 parties exchanges ICBMs but one side nuking the other.

They are also scientifically wrong. With a limmited nuclear war people can still live on the land like people still live and work around Chernobyl, not healthy but living there would only give you cancer and shorten your life by a couple of decades. The US has already used nuclear weapons in Iraq. All those people in Iraq are posined by DU roundeds and they are still there.

For nuclear weapons to be as deadly as your talking about it would have to a full nuclear war but then everybody dies as the radation would drift arould the world plus a second ice age would be triggered as the sun would be blocked out.
I never said there would be a full nuclear war. When America is attacked it will happen so quickly. The first missiles will come from Russian off shore subs. The bible states this will be a limiten engagement, which will be totally one sided. And yes Norad will be destroyed. The prophecies state that are mountain of war will be a burned out mountain. The president will have only minutes to decide the fate of the world. According to the bible, he will choose not to fight, and in doing so spare the rest of the world. The God of the bible speaks of America as anarrogant and proud nation. It speaks of our nation as a land that is built on many waters, with mingled races and people. It states that our nation has her own sea. It states we are a nation shadowed by wings which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopis. It states that we glorify ourselves. It states that when we are destroyed are great voice will be silenced. And the merchants of the earth will be saying there is no one left to buy their goods. It states that we will have the ability to mount up to heaven yet the northern nations will still destroy us.

The bible clearly states that no one will ever be able to live in this land again. The war will be limited to America but we will receive the full fury from the nations that hate us. God states that our nations destruction will be similar to that of Sodom and Gomorrah. So terrible will this event be, that according to the bible, even the surrounding countries will be consumed. The bible clearly states this will all happein in one hours time. We are not talking about thousands of DU rounds here, were talking about thousands of air and land burst nuclear explosions

Psy Fox

12-01-2004, 02:13 AM

I never said there would be a full nuclear war. When America is attacked it will happen so quickly. The first missiles will come from Russian off shore subs.
So Russia that subs are out classed by the USs will try and sneek up with their loud ass subs that are ready for the junk yard?

Russia already passed its oil peak thus they are a minor player,they can't even stop their nation shrinking from break offs.

The bible states this will be a limiten engagement, which will be totally one sided. And yes Norad will be destroyed. The prophecies state that are mountain of war will be a burned out mountain. The president will have only minutes to decide the fate of the world. According to the bible, he will choose not to fight, and in doing so spare the rest of the world. The God of the bible speaks of America as anarrogant and proud nation. It speaks of our nation as a land that is built on many waters, with mingled races and people. It states that our nation has her own sea. It states we are a nation shadowed by wings which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopis. It states that we glorify ourselves. It states that when we are destroyed are great voice will be silenced. And the merchants of the earth will be saying there is no one left to buy their goods. It states that we will have the ability to mount up to heaven yet the northern nations will still destroy us.

The bible clearly states that no one will ever be able to live in this land again. The war will be limited to America but we will receive the full fury from the nations that hate us. God states that our nations destruction will be similar to that of Sodom and Gomorrah. So terrible will this event be, that according to the bible, even the surrounding countries will be consumed. The bible clearly states this will all happein in one hours time. We are not talking about thousands of DU rounds here, were talking about thousands of air and land burst nuclear explosions So to recap you think the America will be nuked by Russia? When the way things looks the US and the rest of the world will slam into a brick wall with an oil crisis thus causes massive blackouts that will bring civilization to its knees.

BlackGuardXIII

12-01-2004, 02:17 AM

Yes, I see you cut off my sentence in the middle. Did Lamerika also predict that America would have a defense system that would fail, like the bible predicted.
If you are going to post something I wrote, please put my full statement in.
My mistake. I will not do it again.
Lamerika did not predict anything, it was the name given to a paradisical land across the western sea by a group of middle eastern monotheists over 2000 years ago.

redhatter

12-01-2004, 05:57 AM

... When America is attacked it will happen so quickly. The first missiles will come from Russian off shore subs. The bible states this will be a limiten engagement, which will be totally one sided. And yes Norad will be destroyed. The prophecies state that are mountain of war will be a burned out mountain. The president will have only minutes to decide the fate of the world. According to the bible, he will choose not to fight, and in doing so spare the rest of the world. The God of the bible speaks of America as anarrogant and proud nation. It speaks of our nation as a land that is built on many waters, with mingled races and people. It states that our nation has her own sea. It states we are a nation shadowed by wings which is beyond the rivers of Ethiopis. It states that we glorify ourselves. It states that when we are destroyed are great voice will be silenced. And the merchants of the earth will be saying there is no one left to buy their goods. It states that we will have the ability to mount up to heaven yet the northern nations will still destroy us.

The bible clearly states that no one will ever be able to live in this land again. The war will be limited to America but we will receive the full fury from the nations that hate us. God states that our nations destruction will be similar to that of Sodom and Gomorrah. So terrible will this event be, that according to the bible, even the surrounding countries will be consumed. The bible clearly states this will all happein in one hours time. We are not talking about thousands of DU rounds here, were talking about thousands of air and land burst nuclear explosions
You have claimed that all of this is defined in the Bible. I claim that is manifestly untrue. That and much else that you've claimed as being in the Bible is not written therein.

JesusDiedForU

12-01-2004, 07:31 AM

You have claimed that all of this is defined in the Bible. I claim that is manifestly untrue. That and much else that you've claimed as being in the Bible is not written therein.
Because like most Christians, you have never studied the prophecies.

Here are some authors you might want to check out:

David Wilkerson
Jack Van Impe
S. Franklin Logsdon
R.A. Coombes ( http://www.americathebabylon.com/exerpts.shtml )

campbell34

12-01-2004, 09:14 AM

You have claimed that all of this is defined in the Bible. I claim that is manifestly untrue. That and much else that you've claimed as being in the Bible is not written therein.Is your claim based on years of prayer and biblical study, or is it just your personal opinion. Because I can tell you right now, the story is their. If you take the time to do the research you will be surprised. I know I was.

campbell34

12-01-2004, 07:01 PM

So Russia that subs are out classed by the USs will try and sneek up with their loud ass subs that are ready for the junk yard?

Russia already passed its oil peak thus they are a minor player,they can't even stop their nation shrinking from break offs.

So to recap you think the America will be nuked by Russia? When the way things looks the US and the rest of the world will slam into a brick wall with an oil crisis thus causes massive blackouts that will bring civilization to its knees.
None of this will happen until Israel is at peace with her neighbors, and the Russia of today will be different from the Russia we will face in the years ahead. The wall Israel is building across Jerusalem will have to be taken down, and the Jews must rebuild their third, and last Temple on mount moria. These prophecies I believe will come to pass in about thirty years. And we will be entering God's third day. Also, the generation born in 1948 will be 86 years old. Their will be two years of warning for people living in America, giving some who understand time to leave. From the time the northern confederation starts to threaten America with war, and you see a break down of the American government, you will have only about two years to leave the country.

Psy Fox

12-02-2004, 05:56 AM

None of this will happen until Israel is at peace with her neighbors, and the Russia of today will be different from the Russia we will face in the years ahead. The wall Israel is building across Jerusalem will have to be taken down, and the Jews must rebuild their third, and last Temple on mount moria. These prophecies I believe will come to pass in about thirty years. And we will be entering God's third day. Also, the generation born in 1948 will be 86 years old. Their will be two years of warning for people living in America, giving some who understand time to leave. From the time the northern confederation starts to threaten America with war, and you see a break down of the American government, you will have only about two years to leave the country. I don't know if the industrial world would be around in 30 years with global warming and oil peak. A more Likely dooms day scenario (http://www.roadkillbill.com/XTimeline.html)

campbell34

12-03-2004, 12:19 AM

I don't know if the industrial world would be around in 30 years with global warming and oil peak. A more Likely dooms day scenario (http://www.roadkillbill.com/XTimeline.html)
Actually the more likely scenario is the one that is verifiably true, and was recorded over 2000 years ago. The global warming that people are talking about today, was also spoken about in scripture, and is another sign of the last days. The Bible speaks of it in Revelation 16:8,9. It states that men will be scorched with great heat from the Sun.The Jews return to Israel, Jerusalem, the East gate sealed, global warming are not just a concidence. Everyone of these events and many others are spoken about in the bible.

mart_182

12-03-2004, 12:21 AM

Psy Fox

12-03-2004, 12:32 AM

Actually the more likely scenario is the one that is verifiably true, and was recorded over 2000 years ago. The global warming that people are talking about today, was also spoken about in scripture, and is another sign of the last days. The Bible speaks of it in Revelation 16:8,9. It states that men will be scorched with great heat from the Sun.The Jews return to Israel, Jerusalem, the East gate sealed, global warming are not just a concidence. Everyone of these events and many others are spoken about in the bible. And how is this war suppose to happen if there is no more cheap energy? Military equipment suck up tons of oil so if there is a crisis the first thing go would be the moderen military. No airforces as no fule for the jets, no tanks due to no diesel, no subs as no communication infustructor to guide them.

Peak oil will turn USA into a 3rd world nation that nobody would waste their effort to invade.

campbell34

12-03-2004, 12:45 AM

i cannot stand some christians, they preach their narrow minded beliefs in something which there is no proof for and then blast anyone who disagrees with them, saying that a force which their opposers do not believe even exists will strike them down where they stand. i thought christianity was about forgiveness? surely your merciful god can find it in his heart to forgive all these apparent 'baby-killers', people that keep the ever growing population down. i know people who have had abortions, they dont revel in what they had to do, most wish they had no had to have made the choice, but in a lot of situations a new baby would make their lives harder, lives which are already difficult enough because of arguments about religion. most conflicts can be blamed upon religion, people storm around the world blowing innocent people up in the name of their god. and then the christians come waltzing in with their bullshit opinions about the moral downfalls of society and how all this could be avoided if everyone would just sit down, shut up and join their religion, because if everybody believed the same thing then those in power would hold sway over all. which is what it boils down to. power, and those who seek it. if you tell people that they can escape the drudgery of their lives and have ever-lasting happiness then they will take it, even if it means doing exactly what you say. religion is a way of keeping people quiet and letting those in power KEEP that power. if you terrify people with eternal torment and pain, they will walk over hot coals for you. religion has good intentions, but it is always corrupted by those who use it for their own personal gain. whatever your religion is, it should help you in your daily life, show you how to live right and treat your fellow man with respect. the point of religion is to help you live properly, not to help you feel better than everybody else. we're all the same on the inside, why do we have to have conflict between people who all share a common goal, to spend their time on this earth trying to better themselves and help others?
So anytime someone makes your life harder you just kill them. Wow, yea God understand. And God can forgive anyone, but this world has already told Him to take His laws, and His book and go shove it. I don't have a religion, my job keeps me from going to church, but I have a faith in Jesus Christ. And if helping others means you look the other way while our nation murders 40 million of it's citizens, then I don't see this as helping others. It does prove how evil a society can get, when all you think about is yourself. And you can justify the murder of your sons and your daughters. I have studied the bible for many years, and the proof of it's truth is there. And it will be found in it's fulfilled prophecies. The Jews in Israel, Jerusalem, the sealing of the East gate of Jerusalem, global warming, ect, are just the tip of the iceburg. The church and American citizens have failed to read God's book of truth. And yet, the future of the world is recorded between it's pages in detail.

campbell34

12-03-2004, 01:00 AM

And how is this war suppose to happen if there is no more cheap energy? Military equipment suck up tons of oil so if there is a crisis the first thing go would be the moderen military. No airforces as no fule for the jets, no tanks due to no diesel, no subs as no communication infustructor to guide them.

Peak oil will turn USA into a 3rd world nation that nobody would waste their effort to invade.American citizens may pay a lot for oil, but the military have their own oil fields set aside just for them, and it has been this way for years. Our military will always have cheap oil even if we don't. Believe me. I believe America will fall into third world status, but other nations will put the preasure on America because of our support for Israel. When Russia invades Israel and God Himself destroy their invading army, Russia will not at first believe it was God that did it. It will be then that they move against America. Read Ezk. Chapters 37,38,39, in the Old Testament.

mart_182

12-03-2004, 01:51 AM

So anytime someone makes your life harder you just kill them. Wow, yea God understand. And God can forgive anyone, but this world has already told Him to take His laws, and His book and go shove it. I don't have a religion, my job keeps me from going to church, but I have a faith in Jesus Christ. And if helping others means you look the other way while our nation murders 40 million of it's citizens, then I don't see this as helping others. It does prove how evil a society can get, when all you think about is yourself. And you can justify the murder of your sons and your daughters. I have studied the bible for many years, and the proof of it's truth is there. And it will be found in it's fulfilled prophecies. The Jews in Israel, Jerusalem, the sealing of the East gate of Jerusalem, global warming, ect, are just the tip of the iceburg. The church and American citizens have failed to read God's book of truth. And yet, the future of the world is recorded between it's pages in detail.

on behalf of a friend whose mother had to have an abortion.....

look buddy, i dont know who you are, what your situation is or why you believe the things you do, but i accept it. i accept that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone is entitled to their own philosophy, and i'm ok with that. so what i ask is that you show the same courtesy, my mother had to get rid of a child, one that would have been my baby brother/sister and i know that it was one of the hardest decicions she's ever had to make. now when fundamentalists/narrow minded fools step in with their view and impose it on others, without a care to how it makes people feel, that is what's wrong. all my good friend here (mart_182) said was that we should all get along, is that so hard? is it so hard for you to let us believe what we want to believe in peace? life's hard enough as it is, without people like you making people feel shit when what they did was a purely selfless act, no-one enjoys having an abortion, they do it for the good of their family and for the good of the child to be, no-one should be brought into a world where they'll have no quality of life.

so in conclusion, think about what you say, dont hide behind the preaching of something that to many people is merely a story. fuckin make up your own mind, dont just follow the easy way out. "faith is often the boast of a man who is too lazy to investigate"

Psy Fox

12-03-2004, 01:58 AM

American citizens may pay a lot for oil, but the military have their own oil fields set aside just for them, and it has been this way for years. Our military will always have cheap oil even if we don't. You know how much energy they need and you forget it is workers not military that is keeping the military powered. Do you think the workers will work after peak oil really kicks in. Hell no, you'll see world wide strikes and riots, if they they are starving and cold they sure as hell won't work for troops in some far off war and troops won't fight once the reality that the indsutrial world is dead and their nation is just a crumbling shell.

Believe me. I believe America will fall into third world status, but other nations will put the preasure on America because of our support for Israel. When Russia invades Israel and God Himself destroy their invading army, Russia will not at first believe it was God that did it. It will be then that they move against America. Read Ezk. Chapters 37,38,39, in the Old Testament.After that it doesn't matter the US would not support Isreal as it couldn't even send anything across the Alantic of Pasific any more.

Psy Fox

12-03-2004, 02:31 AM

so in conclusion, think about what you say, dont hide behind the preaching of something that to many people is merely a story. fuckin make up your own mind, dont just follow the easy way out. "faith is often the boast of a man who is too lazy to investigate" Don't take him serious (I don't, I'm justing messing with him:X). I highly doubt we were created to just kiss Gods ass and any faith is only a path not "the" path as there is not one path.

JesusDiedForU

12-03-2004, 05:20 AM

"faith is often the boast of a man who is too lazy to investigate"
Faith that is blind faith....

My faith is based on fact.

Perhaps you are the one that has not investigated.

Psy Fox

12-03-2004, 05:47 AM

Faith that is blind faith....

My faith is based on fact.

Nope it is theory, you can belive in the theory but there is no proof that would make it fact.

JesusDiedForU

12-03-2004, 05:50 AM

Nope it is theory, you can belive in the theory but there is no proof that would make it fact.
DO YOU KNOW THE PROOFS OF THE BIBLE??

Psy Fox

12-03-2004, 06:26 AM

DO YOU KNOW THE PROOFS OF THE BIBLE?? I know where the bible breaks down for starters Adam and Eve. Think about it God creates Man and Women and tells them not to eat from tree of the knowledge. Okay they eat from it and God punishes them and their offspring. Now think about that before they eatten the fruit they are basicly dumb animals. How can they be held responsible if God didn't give them intellegence? They didn't know not to lissen to the snake as they were dumb.

If God was intellegent and enlightened he would have blamed him self and/or the snake but noooo he blamed creations that were too stupid to know better.

Also think about this worshiping God. Does God doubt his ablilities? Does God need his ego rubbed?

campbell34

12-03-2004, 12:17 PM

on behalf of a friend whose mother had to have an abortion.....

look buddy, i dont know who you are, what your situation is or why you believe the things you do, but i accept it. i accept that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone is entitled to their own philosophy, and i'm ok with that. so what i ask is that you show the same courtesy, my mother had to get rid of a child, one that would have been my baby brother/sister and i know that it was one of the hardest decicions she's ever had to make. now when fundamentalists/narrow minded fools step in with their view and impose it on others, without a care to how it makes people feel, that is what's wrong. all my good friend here (mart_182) said was that we should all get along, is that so hard? is it so hard for you to let us believe what we want to believe in peace? life's hard enough as it is, without people like you making people feel shit when what they did was a purely selfless act, no-one enjoys having an abortion, they do it for the good of their family and for the good of the child to be, no-one should be brought into a world where they'll have no quality of life.

so in conclusion, think about what you say, dont hide behind the preaching of something that to many people is merely a story. fuckin make up your own mind, dont just follow the easy way out. "faith is often the boast of a man who is too lazy to investigate"Well buddy, I have done the investigation, and what I have found makes me sick. 40 million dead Americans, laying in buckets, dumpsters, and flushed down toilets. And this is what you claim they do for the good of the child.
No one enjoys having an abortion, well I don't think I would enjoy murdering a person myself. Yet this is the choice over 1,000,000 woman make every year. Quality of life is going to come to an end in this country for every one, because this one single act of mass murder, has turned the God who once watched over our nation against us. God is going to take our nation away from us, and like I said this is all recorded in the scriptures. The bible clearly teaches that because of the hardness of our hearts the nation we live in will be handed over to our enemies. American cities will burn, and our nation will come to her end in one hours time. Abortion is just another way of giving God the finger. Perhaps we should review Hitlers death camps. Perhaps he knew the Jews were not going to have quality lives and what he did was simply a selfless act. Murder is murder reguardless of who is doing it. Thou shalt not kill is still a bible truth.

mart_182

12-03-2004, 12:41 PM

Well buddy, I have done the investigation, and what I have found makes me sick. 40 million dead Americans, laying in buckets, dumpsters, and flushed down toilets. And this is what you claim they do for the good of the child.
No one enjoys having an abortion, well I don't think I would enjoy murdering a person myself. Yet this is the choice over 1,000,000 woman make every year. Quality of life is going to come to an end in this country for every one, because this one single act of mass murder, has turned the God who once watched over our nation against us. God is going to take our nation away from us, and like I said this is all recorded in the scriptures. The bible clearly teaches that because of the hardness of our hearts the nation we live in will be handed over to our enemies. American cities will burn, and our nation will come to her end in one hours time. Abortion is just another way of giving God the finger. Perhaps we should review Hitlers death camps. Perhaps he knew the Jews were not going to have quality lives and what he did was simply a selfless act. Murder is murder reguardless of who is doing it. Thou shalt not kill is still a bible truth.

1. stop comparing people to hitler. have you heard of godwins law? it was created to stop this kind of pointless flaming.

GODWIN'S LAW
"The longer a discussion becomes, the more likely it is to disintegrate into a flame involving a comparison with Nazis or Hitler. As the thread ages, the probability approaches one.
There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. This is known as Godwin's Law."

comparing people to some of the most evil people to walk the earth is utterly pointless and achieves nothing.

2. as my friend put in his post, and i put in mine before it, some people do not share your beliefs, and it is not cool for you to put down their beliefs and tell them they are wrong. "Judge not lest ye be judged." And please stop quoting the bible, prefixing a sentence with 'the bible states' does not add any weight to what you say, assuming that it does just makes you come off as arrogant and narrow-minded, traits found in all too many christians today.

campbell34

12-03-2004, 12:50 PM

Don't take him serious (I don't, I'm justing messing with him:X). I highly doubt we were created to just kiss Gods ass and any faith is only a path not "the" path as there is not one path.
America is going to be destroyed, her cities will burn, it will happen in your generation, and it will happen in one hours time. You can mess with me, but what I am telling you is true, it will happen. After the Iraq war, America will have troops in Jordan. A time of peace is coming to Israel. The large wall that is being built across Jerusalem will be taken down. Hard liners in Russia will be coming back into power. America will face a day off horror. A northern alliance well be formed, and they will begin to threaten America over our stand on Israel. From the first day they begin to threaten us until America's destruction, you will only have two years to leave the country. I believe we still have 30 years left. All of this is recorded in the bible. Christ stated if it were not for His return man would destroy himself. Christ knew the path this world would take. The bible is the only book on earth that has this kind of detailed knowledge. And I'm not messing you.

campbell34

12-03-2004, 01:20 PM

Nope it is theory, you can belive in the theory but there is no proof that would make it fact.Fact- Jews return to Israel, and Jerusalem after 2000 years. Bible predicted.
Fact- Jerusalem East Gate is built over the old gate, and is sealed up just like the bible predicted.
Fact- The bible stated that no one would walk through that gate no matter how hard they tried, all attemps would end in failure. They have, just like the bible predicted. The gate is waiting for Jesus Christ to enter it.
Fact- The bible predicted that when Christ returns man would have the ability to destroy nations and cities in one hours time. We do, just as the bible predicted.
Fact-The bible predicted that America would come into existance, and we can find her symbol in the center of Jer(USA)lem. America, Israel's main ally.
Fact-The bible has many more facts, yet this world does not want to hear them. Just as the bible predicted.
This is not theory, these are facts. I would not mess with you.

campbell34

12-03-2004, 01:29 PM

1. stop comparing people to hitler. have you heard of godwins law? it was created to stop this kind of pointless flaming.

GODWIN'S LAW
"The longer a discussion becomes, the more likely it is to disintegrate into a flame involving a comparison with Nazis or Hitler. As the thread ages, the probability approaches one.
There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. This is known as Godwin's Law."

comparing people to some of the most evil people to walk the earth is utterly pointless and achieves nothing.

2. as my friend put in his post, and i put in mine before it, some people do not share your beliefs, and it is not cool for you to put down their beliefs and tell them they are wrong. "Judge not lest ye be judged." And please stop quoting the bible, prefixing a sentence with 'the bible states' does not add any weight to what you say, assuming that it does just makes you come off as arrogant and narrow-minded, traits found in all too many christians today.
Well do you know why Jesus said Judge not lest ye be judge? Do you understand why He said that? And if you do could you explain that to me? And yes, we Christians are so narrow-minded. If narrow minded means we are not open to full scale murder camps, then yes I guess we are.

mart_182

12-03-2004, 02:41 PM

Well do you know why Jesus said Judge not lest ye be judge? Do you understand why He said that? And if you do could you explain that to me? And yes, we Christians are so narrow-minded. If narrow minded means we are not open to full scale murder camps, then yes I guess we are.
do you know? dont boast of your knowledge and then not back it up. btw i cant wait to see your face when none of this actually comes to pass...

JesusDiedForU

12-03-2004, 04:28 PM

I know where the bible breaks down for starters Adam and Eve. Think about it God creates Man and Women and tells them not to eat from tree of the knowledge. Okay they eat from it and God punishes them and their offspring. Now think about that before they eatten the fruit they are basicly dumb animals. How can they be held responsible if God didn't give them intellegence? They didn't know not to lissen to the snake as they were dumb.

If God was intellegent and enlightened he would have blamed him self and/or the snake but noooo he blamed creations that were too stupid to know better.

Also think about this worshiping God. Does God doubt his ablilities? Does God need his ego rubbed?
Answer the question: DO YOU KNOW THE PROOFS OF THE BIBLE??

If not you have no case.... you are one sided.

Will you ever look up the proofs? Probably not because you do not want to discover the truth because it will affect your "fun times."

JesusDiedForU

12-03-2004, 04:35 PM

do you know? dont boast of your knowledge and then not back it up. btw i cant wait to see your face when none of this actually comes to pass...
He does know the answer that is why he is ASKING YOU!

BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS BOASTING WITH NOTHING BACKING IT UP.....like the rest of the people on here...

The Bible has NEVER been wrong on a prophecy, why take the chance that the prophecies that lay ahead won't?

I challenge you, to try to prove the Bible wrong... Goodluck finding an error in a flawless book.

God has a plan for your life, will you accept it?

Psy Fox

12-03-2004, 04:42 PM

America is going to be destroyed, her cities will burn, it will happen in your generation, and it will happen in one hours time. You can mess with me, but what I am telling you is true, it will happen. It could happen but there is still issues with logical problem with alot of the dogma of the bible. For example heaven that is suppose to be a utopia but a utopia is a padadox since a utopia would really be a distopia as you can't have the good without the bad (ying and yang). If everything is perfect what is the point of existance? Thus heaven would be a hell of mediocrity also the idea of an eternal lake of fire where people burn in anguish and torment forever is contradictory to the concept of a just, merciful and loving creator.

mart_182

12-03-2004, 04:57 PM

He does know the answer that is why he is ASKING YOU!

BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS BOASTING WITH NOTHING BACKING IT UP.....like the rest of the people on here...

The Bible has NEVER been wrong on a prophecy, why take the chance that the prophecies that lay ahead won't?

I challenge you, to try to prove the Bible wrong... Goodluck finding an error in a flawless book.

God has a plan for your life, will you accept it?

many of the 'prophecies' of the bible are open to interpretation, most are quite vague and do not give any actual place names, anyone can say 'this is obviously refering to...' or 'i think what god MEANT to say.....', but this doesnt mean that what you are saying is true.

redhatter

12-03-2004, 11:20 PM

campbell34

12-04-2004, 01:18 AM

Please stop representing certain potential future events as if they're prophecied in the Bible. It is one thing to quote a passage from scripture, and then to say, this is what I think it means, preferably followed by explanation of why. It is another to say that what is really one's own interpretation of scripture is to be actually found in the Bible.

I warn everyone who hears the message of prophecy in this book, that if anyone adds anything to it, God will inflict upon him the plagues that are described in this book; and if anyone removes from this book any of the prophetic messages it contains, God will remove from him his share in the tree of life and the holy city which are described in this book. He who testifies to all this says, I am coming very soon!

–Revelation 22:18-19

I know the Lord, I have heard His voice, I have walked the approaches of heaven, I have seen His power, and I fear Him, as much as I love Him. I speak with confidence, that the things I am telling you are true. Jesus Christ is not the mystery to me, as He is to so many. I have ask Him in prayer to reveal the understanding of future things recorded within His book. About a year later He honored that request. He is a God of wonder. It is the Holy Spirit who teaches us these things.

campbell34

12-04-2004, 01:24 AM

many of the 'prophecies' of the bible are open to interpretation, most are quite vague and do not give any actual place names, anyone can say 'this is obviously refering to...' or 'i think what god MEANT to say.....', but this doesnt mean that what you are saying is true.
Well could you give me an example? I have found that most of the prophecies are not as vague as you may think. Especially the one's speaking about the Jews returning to Israel in the last days.

campbell34

12-04-2004, 01:46 AM

It could happen but there is still issues with logical problem with alot of the dogma of the bible. For example heaven that is suppose to be a utopia but a utopia is a padadox since a utopia would really be a distopia as you can't have the good without the bad (ying and yang). If everything is perfect what is the point of existance? Thus heaven would be a hell of mediocrity also the idea of an eternal lake of fire where people burn in anguish and torment forever is contradictory to the concept of a just, merciful and loving creator.
If your looking for dogma you will not find it in the bible, but you will find it in many Christian Chruches. Sometimes I wonder why a number of those chruches even exist. Heaven will be perfect, and everyday there will be something those present will learn about God, that they did not know the day before. God gave me a dream about heaven, it was like nothing I have ever experienced. As soon as I walked into this room, I saw many people there. In an instant I could read their minds. Everyone of them had this love for me I could not fathom. I walked into this room of white coffins. They were all open, and the people who should of been in them were singing praises to God. Their songs of joy were so powerful, the music went right through me. I walked down this hallway and I could see that heven had many levels to it, and the more I walked the more I did not want to leave this place. As I walked faster there was this shorter man walking next to me, and I told him I wanted to see more. He laugh and said of coarse you do, of coarse you do. And then I woke up. I miss that place, but I can tell you the bible is real, don't let anyone tell you differently. Jesus Christ is truly a God of wonder. Who will becoming back to this world soon.

campbell34

12-04-2004, 02:17 AM

do you know? dont boast of your knowledge and then not back it up. btw i cant wait to see your face when none of this actually comes to pass...
Yes when Jesus said to judge not lest ye be judge, it was during His sermon on the mount. What Jesus was telling everyone was how they would have to live in order to get to heaven. By the time Jesus finished His list of things they needed to do, everyone understood that no one, could be that good. Jesus was telling them that you could not work your way to heaven, that it would require something more to get there. That's why we have the verse in the bible that states, that not by works of rightous shall any flesh be saved but by Grace alone. That grace comes from the shed blood of Christ. We all make judgements everyday, we judge if the one in front of us is going to stop his car, we judge if the person crossing the street is going to hold us up, we Judge if our boss is going to give us a raise, and this goes on through our whole life. So when people use that verse, it is not in the context that it was given. To get a better idea of what I'm saying, read Matthew chapter 5.

campbell34

12-04-2004, 02:22 AM

Yes when Jesus said to judge not lest ye be judge, it was during His sermon on the mount. What Jesus was telling everyone was how they would have to live in order to get to heaven. By the time Jesus finished His list of things they needed to do, everyone understood that no one, could be that good. Jesus was telling them that you could not work your way to heaven, that it would require something more to get there. That's why we have the verse in the bible that states, that not by works of rightous shall any flesh be saved but by Grace alone. That grace comes from the shed blood of Christ. We all make judgements everyday, we judge if the one in front of us is going to stop his car, we judge if the person crossing the street is going to hold us up, we Judge if our boss is going to give us a raise, and this goes on through our whole life. So when people use that verse, it is not in the context that it was given. To get a better idea of what I'm saying, read Matthew chapter 5.
P.S. The prophecies are already starting to happen. Read Ezekiel Chapters 36,37,38,39 There are many more prophecies.

Psy Fox

12-04-2004, 03:33 AM

If your looking for dogma you will not find it in the bible, but you will find it in many Christian Chruches. Sometimes I wonder why a number of those chruches even exist. Heaven will be perfect.
Prefection is imprefection thus perfection is only a delusion of the mind. Think about it, if everything is perfect there is nothing to poke fun at and nothing to strive for, thus a flaw of no flaws. You can't ever reach true perfection because as soon as you do, you lost perfection.

Heaven can't be perfect cause perfection doesn't exist.

BlackGuardXIII

12-04-2004, 12:06 PM

Prefection is imprefection thus perfection is only a delusion of the mind. Think about it, if everything is perfect there is nothing to poke fun at and nothing to strive for, thus a flaw of no flaws. You can't ever reach true perfection because as soon as you do, you lost perfection.

Heaven can't be perfect cause perfection doesn't exist.
Why would we want something to poke fun at? Seems pointless.
I agree with the second point, nothing to strive for.
Perfection would be terribly boring. I think that the fact there is so much mystery to our existence is a great blessing.
I dont understand the soon as you do its gone point. It does not follow, to me. I think that once you know all the answers, life becomes completely boring, and pointless, so I hope I am still puzzled when I die.
I have one contrary point too.
To me, perfection does exist in specifics. I have had days that, to me, were perfect. Things have happened in my life that made me gape in awe, as they were so far beyond what I hoped for.

campbell34

12-04-2004, 02:00 PM

Psy Fox

12-04-2004, 04:58 PM

Why would we want something to poke fun at? Seems pointless.
It is fun to laugh at stuff like B Movies yet if everthing is perfect you can't even laugh at your own mistakes as your perfect.

I agree with the second point, nothing to strive for.
Perfection would be terribly boring. I think that the fact there is so much mystery to our existence is a great blessing.
I dont understand the soon as you do its gone point.
Perfection is the abstance of flaws yet perfection is a flaw so once you have perfection you have the flaw of perfection and since you have a flaw you can't be perfect (It is a paradox).

Think about if everyone is perfect anyone can pick a guitar and play as good as Hendrix on their first try, not fair to the people that put out the effort to play well when alive thus a flaw brought on by perfection.

Heaven is prefection, yet those who reject the truth may find that Hell is more suitable to their belief system. Yet having less comfortable surroundings
Hell has the same problem, you can't have a perfect hell for the reasons above, perfection is a paradox and can't be achieved.

You need a balance of Ying and Yang or you don't exist.

BlackGuardXIII

12-04-2004, 05:03 PM

i dont get the bit about it being a flaw, is it not by definition flawless?

I agree that B movies can be fun to watch for the sheer terribleness? of them.
Good point.

Psy Fox

12-04-2004, 05:09 PM

i dont get the bit about it being a flaw, is it not by definition flawless?
It is by definition flawless but perfection is loaded with flaws for example being perfect you can't get any better (flaw) and you got good by cheating thus the effort people put out to get good is wasted (flaw).

BlackGuardXIII

12-04-2004, 05:13 PM

It is by definition flawless but perfection is loaded with flaws for example being perfect you can't get any better (flaw) and you got good by cheating thus the effort people put out to get good is wasted (flaw).
cheating? how so? I agree perfection would be so boring, I am relieved that I am nowhere near it, but still, does the fact that you are finished and have reached the ultimate goal have to be flawed? I just think it would be the end of one reality, and the start of some unimaginable new one.

Psy Fox

12-04-2004, 05:20 PM

cheating? how so? I agree perfection would be so boring, I am relieved that I am nowhere near it, but still, does the fact that you are finished and have reached the ultimate goal have to be flawed? I just think it would be the end of one reality, and the start of some unimaginable new one. I'm talking in context of a perfect existance in this case heaven. So if your good because you exist in a perfect existance thus automatically perfect (to keep the existance perfect) you cheated.

Like I said it would suck if in heaven anyone could play as good as Hendrix just because they are in heaven.

Also the path is the point not the goal. Good artist don't become artist to be good they do it to become good, they don't really want to hit their peak as they want to keep out doing them selfs.

BlackGuardXIII

12-05-2004, 04:02 AM

I'm talking in context of a perfect existance in this case heaven. So if your good because you exist in a perfect existance thus automatically perfect (to keep the existance perfect) you cheated.

Like I said it would suck if in heaven anyone could play as good as Hendrix just because they are in heaven.

Also the path is the point not the goal. Good artist don't become artist to be good they do it to become good, they don't really want to hit their peak as they want to keep out doing them selfs.
So, it is flawed cuz it is perfect? Still not there....
Boring, pointless, sad, yes, but maybe perfection is supposed to be that.

Psy Fox

12-05-2004, 06:18 AM

So, it is flawed cuz it is perfect? Still not there....
Boring, pointless, sad, yes, but maybe perfection is supposed to be that. Your not much of a philospher, are you?

It is flawed, cuz if perfection was achived, that perfection would bring on new problems thus perfection would be lost the instant it was achived.

Nimrod's Apprentice

12-15-2004, 05:31 PM

The underground will come to the surface. The next attack will be on the secret societies that finance the world. If they don't destroy us from within, resulting in civil war and anarchy, then leading to a land of warlords (or in the present term "GANGS" each with their own leaders. Fighting each other for power in this country. WHile Europe socializes all its nations with the Euro, beginning the one world empire. Leaving us Americans to quarrel with each other in our own isolated country. We will end up like Japan and China in the past. Feudal warlords fighting for country.

cousinit

12-17-2004, 06:14 AM

The next attack wil be from Canada. A bunch of pissed off farmers from alberta are going load thier fleet of ultra light crop dusters with mad cow infected animal feed, then dive bomb all the american cattle farms within 100miles of the us boarder, thus elimiating the need for trade blocks against all ruminants from canada

the amercan air farce will be rendered usless becuase the aircraft we use will be so slow and old your radar will read them as an stationary objects. sure a duck hunter or two might take out the odd plane with a shot gun, but some losses are acceptble... we will prevail.. hahahahahahaeh

Amanda's Shadow

01-11-2005, 04:39 AM

Well, personally, I beleive that we'll work througha ll of our conflicts because we are all good in general. Sure, this is horrible right now! People are dying and children starving, while shallow, materialistic republicans grow up in America ready to continue these trends in the next generation. But, I think that we can stop the pattern, at least fopr a while. WE can all help. You can cAll this juvenile and naive, but I call it hopeful.

Freelove69

01-17-2005, 05:21 PM

TeamHumanity: a new vision for the world! And this time it is serious!

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TeamHumanity: a new vision for the world! And this time it is serious!

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