10 commandments from a hippie point of view

[Julia<3]

Hello!

Okay, so since I'm taking philosophy classes, I'm doing a project on the 10 commandments being:


You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not kill.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
I actually need to interview people on their views of these 10 commandments, and I thought that it would make this project a lot more interesting, if I could put in some hippie views. So I was hoping if you, or someone, could actually give their 'hippie' opinion on these commandments. I know it's a lot to ask for, but i'm really hoping someone could give his/her hippie perspective on them.

Thank you so much in advance, I'd really appreciate it if someone would help me!

Love&Peace,

Julia

[taw]

hi,I´d love to help you with your project.So here you got my opinion about the 10 commandmets


1-You shall have no other Gods but me-thats a very selfish,arrogant,vain thing to say,the God I believe in would never say that.

2-You shall not make for yourself any idol,nor bow down to it or worship it-in my opinion,this is more of a "each is own" case,I myself, prefer to not have any idol and follow nobody´s footsteps and just be myself, but if you want to idolize someone or something,thats very much your problem.

3-You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God-What happened to any publicity is good publicity?just joking.I thinkg people should have the freedom of talking about their God anyway they want to.

4-You shall remember and keep the sabbath day holy-do whatever you want to do with your sabbath,after all, is YOUR sabbath.

5-Respect your father and mother-not just your father and mother,respect your brother,your sister,your partner,your friends and every single human and creature on this world,we all deserve to be treated respectfully.

6-You must not kill-thats probably the one I REALLY agree with.

7-You must not commit adultery-once again,"each is own",is your life, do what you want to,though,I would never do so,since I believe you shouldnt do what you wouldnt like happening to yourself,and I would definetly not like it if somebody did that to me.

8- You must not steal-yeah,get your own things.

9-You must not give false evidence against your neighbours-I repeat myself,treat everyone like a person and respectfully.


10-You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour-yes,people instead of being envious of eachother should be glad somebody else found what they need and instead of wishing they had the neighbours belongings,they should find what good for them.Envy is just waste of thought.

Well,this is all,I hope it will be of any help to you,if you need anything else just let me know.

[scratcho]

"You shall have no other gods but me".I suppose that means that if you do,your ass will burn in the ever -popular location called hell!BUT---he loves you.And how many "gods" are there?I personally, am waiting until a benevolent one shows up.Sorry--I know I didn't help you.

[dollydagger]

i think they are pretty self explanatory.
1) you shall have no other gods before me - well, the christian god is a jelous one, but hey, if you knew you were right, wouldnt you be pretty hardheaded on this subject?
2) you shall not make for yourself any idol...- dont get caught up in falseness. Idol doesnt nessicarily mean another god. people idolize and worship material objects as well, and lose focus on their spirituality.
3)you shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God...- it means dont take the Lords name in vain. pretty self explanitory
4)Remeber the Sabbath and keep it holy.- I, for one, am all about a day of doing nothing and not feeling bad about it. We all need a day off!!!
5)Respect your father and your mother - unless they suck! I sont think it is literal in this sense, but have respect for your elders......they do know more than we do about this crazy world
6)thou shalt not kill - enough said
7)dont commit adultery - im right there on that one. i never understood cheaters. if you want to be with other people, have the respect and courtesy to let that other person know before you make their life miserable so that you can fullfill whatever your desire is. Its about respect and courtesy.
8)Dont steal - I really dislike thieves. I work hard for my stuff. I sure as hell am not going to let ome bum rip me off. Get a job!!!
9)Thou shalt not bear false witness - people, dont lie. Its that simple.
10)thou shalt not be envious....- if you think about it, envy and jelousy are the same thing. and they both are a waste of precious energy.

[oink]

I personally don't have a problem with the 10 commandments. If everyone made a real serious effort to follow them, the world would be a really nice place.

[dollydagger]

I personally don't have a problem with the 10 commandments. If everyone made a real serious effort to follow them, the world would be a really nice place.
:agree:

[aguest]

No post.

[The_Moroccan_Raccoon]

If we're gonna bring the Commandments into modern times, it's probably a good idea to look at them in the context of those times and what they meant then. What everyone seems to miss is that it doesn't even have to involve God...

1. You shall have no other gods but me.
First of all, the commandments were directed only at the Hebrews, not at the entire population as it is interpreted now. The significance of this commandment wasn't monotheism, it was to separate the Hebrews from the rest of the pagan population. The Hebrew laws were much more focused on justice, and were the first set of laws where the law applied to the nobles as well as the people. Acknowledging only the one God meant following the one set of laws. The other codes at the time, like Hammurabi's code were really fucking harsh (even compared to the Hebrew laws...)

2. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
This is another one that can be taken out of the context of theism. "Idols" aren't necessarily religious things; it means worshipping something, and compromising ethics. The golden calf was some reference to an Egyptian idol (I think that's what I read...) The golden calf could represent wealth, or consumer capitalism, or any of the other things like that, which we "bow down to" in our modern society...

3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
The origin of the weekend and one of the first labour laws.. The Sabbath day is a day that can be taken off from the concerns of daily life, in order to do things that are genuinely meaningful... In modern Judaism, you're not supposed to make any kinds of monetary transactions, or drive. It is interpreted to mean prayer, but if meditating on a mountain is meaningful, or playing music, or whatever...

5-10 are some pretty basic ethical rules. I think most people accept them...
I don't think "adultery" means sex before marriage, because marriage doesnt mean what it did back then... I consider adultery to be cheating on your partner without their consent... I think the marriage laws written back then aren't relevant since I'm not buying a wife, or having multiple wives like when those laws were written...
5. Respect your father and mother.
6. You must not kill.
7. You must not commit adultery.
8. You must not steal.
9. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
10. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

There's a Jewish story (since that's where the Commandments began) where the Talmudic guru Hillel was asked by a gentile to summarize his religion while standing on one leg. His response was "What is hateful to you, don't do to your neighbour. The rest is commentary." That's the point of any set of commandments or laws you can come up with.

[recklessrick]

The ten commandments are for the poor and the middle class.Not the U.S. government
or republicans.The eleventh commandment (which Moses lost on the way down the mountain) thou shalt not whistle on a Tuesday.

[gshdgns]

You shall have no other Gods but me. I have no god.


You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. See above


You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. Again, see above.


You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.Everyone needs a day off.
Respect your father and mother.Good idea. Also honor those who know more than you.
You must not kill.I agree. Murder is the ultimate wrong.
You must not commit adultery.Good idea for a happy marriage.
You must not steal.If you want it, earn it. Theft harms society.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.Good for society. Purgery harms the accused.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.Again, if you want something, earn it. Do not be envious of someone elses better fortune.

[aguest]

If we're gonna bring the Commandments into modern times, it's probably a good idea to look at them in the context of those times and what they meant then. What everyone seems to miss is that it doesn't even have to involve God...

1. You shall have no other gods but me.
First of all, the commandments were directed only at the Hebrews, not at the entire population as it is interpreted now. Were they? Let's see; cause here God speaks important things about HIMSELF, his attitudes. He says in effect: "Look at them other nations around you, including Egypt from where I just delivered you. They worship a multitude of gods simultaneously and do many other things. Now look! If you want to continue with me, you should understand, that I won't put up with other gods, as well as with certain practices."
In fact, this is a message for ALL, who want to build up relations with this God. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want, but make sure there will be NO good relations with THIS God.
Or, compare it with one getting married, who is warning his fiance before marriage, that he would put up with no romantic "friends" of hers, once they got married. Only them two! Or else, she may rethink it all and terminate the engagement. This is pretty self-explanatory, it seems.

[The_Moroccan_Raccoon]

Were they? Let's see; cause here God speaks important things about HIMSELF, his attitudes. He says in effect: "Look at them other nations around you, including Egypt from where I just delivered you. They worship a multitude of gods simultaneously and do many other things. Now look! If you want to continue with me, you should understand, that I won't put up with other gods, as well as with certain practices."
In fact, this is a message for ALL, who want to build up relations with this God. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want, but make sure there will be NO good relations with THIS God.
Or, compare it with one getting married, who is warning his fiance before marriage, that he would put up with no romantic "friends" of hers, once they got married. Only them two! Or else, she may rethink it all and terminate the engagement. This is pretty self-explanatory, it seems.
I gave my opinion, but I guess I should also preface it with this, so nobody thinks I'm a religious fanatic:

The first thing that people should understand is that THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY PEOPLE. These people were Hebrew; it was not directed at everyone because it wasn't "spoken" or whatever they say, to anyone but the Hebrews.
That's not to say there isn't a God.
It just means that those are stories to learn from. I think it really sucks how Christianity has completely distorted the original intent of the Jewish religion. The religion is completely based on STUDYING and DEBATING just as we are now. Historians have figured out which parts of the Bible were written separately from other parts. Catholicism completely fucked up the notion of the Bible, cause it expects you to believe in it without even reading the fucking book. If there was a Moses, he'd have shit himself if he knew that. Hebrew law was the first legal system that applied to everyone equally, and where there was an actual court system to prove someone's guilty. Other societies prayed to their own gods like idols. Christianity was the first religion to use God as a crutch. Judaism's idea of God was very abstract. People are so misinformed about religion and don't realize how badly the Catholic church bastardized the whole thing. I do believe in God, but differently than most people do because the idea of God that everyone has now is influenced by Christianity and was never the original intent of any of it. but I know that the laws were not commanded by God and the Bible isn't the direct word of God. There is no messiah coming. And nobody will smite me if I don't follow those rules. But I've thought about it myself, and come to a conclusion as to what I believe. That's the intent of it, regardless of how badly Christianity fucked it up.

[aguest]

I am sorry, The_Moroccan_Raccoon, I didn't mean any insult by quoting from your post. And thank you for your opinion. I respect it, and so the more so, because you seem to have studied the things you are talking about. That's good!

And me, I'm not one of those talking about the Bible without ever having read it. The illustration I used to show the BIBLICAL meaning of the 1st commandment is taken from the book itself (read Jeremiah or Hosea for example).

You are right about the negative influence of Christendom on people's ideas about god and religion, I can see it in my own country. And they don't read the Bible even though it is available in these languages.
But then again, it is not unusual for lying and tricky politicians to use noble things and ideas like love, peace, happiness -- to their advantage. This, however, doesn't make these things wrong. Love is still the strongest power ever, peace is still desirable, happiness is still longed for. And Jesus -- he is still known to be a man, who tought wonderful and strong things about love, peace and happiness. We know that when we read about him and his teachings in the Greek Scriptures of the Bible. Likewise, we learn whether or not the Bible was inspired by God when we apply its wise council in real life -- to our benefit.

Again, no insult meant. Just my personal experience and opinion.

[The_Moroccan_Raccoon]

I am sorry, The_Moroccan_Raccoon, I didn't mean any insult by quoting from your post. And thank you for your opinion. I respect it, and so the more so, because you seem to have studied the things you are talking about. That's good!

And me, I'm not one of those talking about the Bible without ever having read it. The illustration I used to show the BIBLICAL meaning of the 1st commandment is taken from the book itself (read Jeremiah or Hosea for example).

You are right about the negative influence of Christendom on people's ideas about god and religion, I can see it in my own country. And they don't read the Bible even though it is available in these languages.
But then again, it is not unusual for lying and tricky politicians to use noble things and ideas like love, peace, happiness -- to their advantage. This, however, doesn't make these things wrong. Love is still the strongest power ever, peace is still desirable, happiness is still longed for. And Jesus -- he is still known to be a man, who tought wonderful and strong things about love, peace and happiness. We know that when we read about him and his teachings in the Greek Scriptures of the Bible. Likewise, we learn whether or not the Bible was inspired by God when we apply its wise council in real life -- to our benefit.

Again, no insult meant. Just my personal experience and opinion.I didn't take your post as an insult. I really don't get offended by opinions, which you were just stating, and that's cool. Like I said, I feel that one pf the most important aspects of any religion is discussion, which is just what you were doing. I respect that. I don't get offended unless someone says something hateful.

What country do you live in anyway? I'm in Canada.

[SlydeHippie]

You shall have no other Gods but me. Amen. I believe in the same G-d as Christians and Jews. However, I DO have issues with the Bible being 100% correct.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. Very true. This applies to all, especially those who worship money.




You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. If you believe in a G-d, why use is name in vain?
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. Amen. However, I do not rest on this day. It says "remember and keep it holy", this can be interpreted to anything you wish that is out of sin, correct?
Respect your father and mother.Not only them, but every single living species,thing on this planet.
You must not kill. 'Nuff said.
You must not commit adultery. This is very popular in nowadays age, I am strongly against it. Remember the Golden Rule fellas.
You must not steal. Golden Rule once again.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. Did I say Golden Rule?




You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. All you need is love. And with Love, there is no room for envy and jealousy, only happiness.

[map1056]

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He meant it then, he means it now. They are not laws but guidelines to live by. We all fall short and Thank God for his grace and mercy.

[aguest]

Amen!

What country do you live in anyway? I'm in Canada.And I'm in Russia.

[superstephylee]

its better to be a believer than to stick yourself in to the catagory of religon, you can believe in God and his intent with out being a "christan", because then your just someone who goes to a mans church where they make the rules of how you should warship, and what exactly you should believe. remember that the church was not started by God but by men. so maybe your biggest sin is letting your spirtuality weaver because society thinks that King james was God. in the bible it says to form your own openion, so why do people go to a building that is only open durring the times that the man decides it can be open, and buisness hours, to pay a man to sit there and use scare tacktics to get you to pay for him to live a more comforitable life than yourself. wow im off topic now...

[shameless_heifer]

I look at the 10 Commandments as a guideline to a happier life. They are afterall, what everyone wants others to be like, or to act like.. Common curtisy and respect for others as well as yourself. No self respecting person would stay with a lier, cheater, or thief. Religion is a man made enviroment of thought. The keepers of the Law.. the law of equaility and balance of judgements..

We all know right from wrong, we choose our lessons. When we do something against another, we are infringing upon their will or how they choose to be. Not because GOD will punish you, but you will punish yourself, by guilt.

When you infringe your will on others you hurt yourself Karmaticly. You change frequency, which causes static in your inviroment. You cut yourself off from logical thinking and become the little me, thinking you are all that is important, which begets greed and lust.

When The Scripture of Jesus was discovered, it said, from Jesus' own words, not diciples, but Jesus, something like this: Follow the Commandants and Look for me not in the Church for I am not there, but look to the Stone which the Church is built from, there is where I dwell.

As it is the congragation that makes up a church, congrigation meaning the people of the church and not the wealth of gold or precious stones imbedding in statues or encrusted on a chalis, but what is in your heart. Big Temples, Churches, ect, mean nothing to the Spirit, only satisfies the preacher/priest ect, It does not glorify GOD, but only golrifies man.

Mankind needs to be governed, otherwise we would revert back to savages. There has to be laws to protect the innocent. The Commandments were the Laws of the Hebrews. We use them because they 'fit' into our lives and are what/how we want eachother to behave like in our society, to keep the peace.

We can't just run amuck you know, there are mal-ajusted ones out in the populous that are unscrupulas and are distorted and bring harm to others.

If everyone followed the same set of guidelines as the 10 Commandments, there would be no war, no hate, no lust or greed to waylays us. It's the actions of one that causes a domino effect that affects everyone.

It starts within yourself and raidiates outward.

Bright Blessings
sh

[salmon4me]

You shall have no other Gods but me.
-Cause I am king asshole around here. Got it?
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
-Again, I am king asshole around here.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
-Say my name bitch. But say it right.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
-Watch Football, or else!
Respect your father and mother.
-Unless they worship the equivilant of the tooth fairy...then laugh at them.
You must not kill.
-Unless it's during one of the countless religous wars. Thenm it's OK.
You must not commit adultery.
-Even though Jesus was a bastard child, I'm still gonna get all holier than thou.
You must not steal.
-Unless we're talking about 10% of my worshipers income.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
-But you may use it against all other people. Just not your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
-I like how my neighbours wife is his own personal property. Cool!

[OldielocksNmo]

The 1st commandment concerns all of us. God gave the gift of eternal salvation to the Gentiles after the death and resurrection of his only begotten son, our Lord&Saviour Jesus Christ. The Jewish people already were "chosen" by God to be his people, and HIM their God. Its there if you want it...God has given us "free choice" on whether to accept his "WORD" or not. The Bible is 100% accurate...yes Men wrote it, but were divinely inspired to write what our Father had them write at such a time and method as he chose. A little study would show that no writing such as the Bible could have survived for thousands of years as we know it without divine intervention. Thats just my $.02 folks, but I had an awakening back around '89 and my faith has never waivered once since then.

[rainbowedskylover]

"hippie opinions"? i think those hippie opinions don't truely exist since it often IT is the label put upon them by someone who does not agree with it, that makes it a hippie opinion, see?

[crankyelbow]

I present you with my translations:

Hello!

Okay, so since I'm taking philosophy classes, I'm doing a project on the 10 commandments being:



Everyone else is wrong.

God is not a statue (alot of good this one did).

Anyone who "misuses the name of god" will be dealt with accordingly.

Here is your day off - I'm such a great guy, doesn't that make ya wanna worship me? Miss it and I'm sending you to hell!.

Respect authority - they know more than you can possibly know.

Dont kill (unless I say so)

You can only have 1 partner, so I you can properly raise your children in the church, so they can serve me even better than you

Don't take, give! If someone steals from you, give!

Don't lie to authority.

Be happy with what you have, you don't "need" more.

cynical, yea. I particularly like number 1, that really is number 1....


Here goes my view on the christian religion:

This stuff is most obvious in the new testamant, which of course circles around our good friend Jesus (who didn't exist). It teaches you to be a weak minded person, who accepts what they are given by their leaders... while gloryfying the leaders position and allowing them to simply say they are serving the lord's agenda when it is truly their own.

It creates a church, which enslaves the people with a guilt tax, and forced attendance. Basically, your paying to be fed more of the same bs... when you could just as well be at home reading the bible yourself. The church is extremely wealthy, and is hand in hand with government... this is by design of christianity itself.

You are told there are questions you can't ask, there are answers you will never know, and to propose to know more than the church allows you to know is going against god. You are kept stupid, and you are kept afraid. If you truly question the motives of those in power, you could cause a problem... if you are a true believer you question nothing, you put your life in gods (those who rule you) hands.

Your responsibility for your actions is removed, because you may simply say "I'm sorry" - God will forgive you for going to another country and killing with the intention of taking the country over... it was all in god's name anyway, thats what you were told and you can't question it. if you do something and go to jail for the rest of your life, it doesn't matter, your still going to heaven, your "sorry".

Christianity breeds a submissive people ready to serve the needs of the church. You NEED the church, or your going to hell and the world will become a horrible place. While ignoring the world is currently horrible - your told its great, just keep praying. Your not allowed to want a better place, you must accept things as they are. You are a slave, you must respect your slave master (yes that is actually in the bible).

Taken outside of a religious context, the 10 commandments are a great way to live! Put into the hands of a corrupt organization given the authority to tell you *when* to apply them... they are a tool used to get you to serve an agenda you don't even know your serving.

The christian religion is a truly brilliant control device!

Watch the movie/read the book 1984, it has many references to current religious and political issues.

I also suggest actually reading the bible... be prepared - you might get a headache when you see all the brutality and contradictions... just be sure to interpret that as the church tells you, not as they told people 500 years ago, and CERTAINLY not with an open mind... truth changes with time ya know.

[ChiefCowpie]

1. imaginary rabbits are more real than real rabbits
2. imaginary rabbits aren't real
3. only real rabbits are real
4. all the money in the world can't buy you an imaginary rabbits

[rygoody]

Reality is what you can get away with
--Robert Anton Wilson

the only commandment you need :)

[aguest]

I present you with my translations:

cynical, yea. I particularly like number 1, that really is number 1....


Here goes my view on the christian religion:

This stuff is most obvious in the new testamant, which of course circles around our good friend Jesus (who didn't exist). It teaches you to be a weak minded person, who accepts what they are given by their leaders... while gloryfying the leaders position and allowing them to simply say they are serving the lord's agenda when it is truly their own.

It creates a church, which enslaves the people with a guilt tax, and forced attendance. Basically, your paying to be fed more of the same bs... when you could just as well be at home reading the bible yourself. The church is extremely wealthy, and is hand in hand with government... this is by design of christianity itself.

You are told there are questions you can't ask, there are answers you will never know, and to propose to know more than the church allows you to know is going against god. You are kept stupid, and you are kept afraid. If you truly question the motives of those in power, you could cause a problem... if you are a true believer you question nothing, you put your life in gods (those who rule you) hands.

Your responsibility for your actions is removed, because you may simply say "I'm sorry" - God will forgive you for going to another country and killing with the intention of taking the country over... it was all in god's name anyway, thats what you were told and you can't question it. if you do something and go to jail for the rest of your life, it doesn't matter, your still going to heaven, your "sorry".

Christianity breeds a submissive people ready to serve the needs of the church. You NEED the church, or your going to hell and the world will become a horrible place. While ignoring the world is currently horrible - your told its great, just keep praying. Your not allowed to want a better place, you must accept things as they are. You are a slave, you must respect your slave master (yes that is actually in the bible).

Taken outside of a religious context, the 10 commandments are a great way to live! Put into the hands of a corrupt organization given the authority to tell you *when* to apply them... they are a tool used to get you to serve an agenda you don't even know your serving.

The christian religion is a truly brilliant control device!

Watch the movie/read the book 1984, it has many references to current religious and political issues.

I also suggest actually reading the bible... be prepared - you might get a headache when you see all the brutality and contradictions... just be sure to interpret that as the church tells you, not as they told people 500 years ago, and CERTAINLY not with an open mind... truth changes with time ya know.Friend, you are here talking about ... THE OFFICIAL "CHRISTIAN" CHURCH. And yes, here all your remarks get home. I'd say they've stolen the name, having no right for it.

But not so about the Bible and ITS doctrine, which never says "you should ask no stupid questions",for one thing.
In James 1:5 it says (you can read for yourself), that if anyone is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given to the one asking.
It seems, God is INTERESTED to answer all our questions, ane he will do it FOR FREE. And will not "reproach", like:"What! You're that stupid to ask such silly questions??Ask ME that, too???? Know who you're talking to?????" Neither like this:"Well, man, I've answered this question of yours 100 times now; you're hopeless I'd bet!"...
So you see, if they tell you in the church this garbage about "the questions you shouldn't ask, lest God get angry with you" -- it's clean against the Bible itself. It is only to hide the fact that THEY don't know the answer, nor the Bible itself. Neither do they have God's guidance in this matter.

But then again it must be told, that studying the Bible is NOT for weaker-minded people who leave it to others to make decisions for them. Rather, you can and should address other people for help in this matter (for it is nontrivial task) -- but it is for you to make decisions and see for yourself, whether the answers match or not. And how could you check that? Well, the Bible explains itself pretty well. There is no question one could ask, which the Bible would not have answer for -- and that would be the answer clearly seen in the Bible itself.
So, I see nothing bad in addressing other scolars for aid, just as we do when studying math; but it must be people, who really teach THE BIBLE, and not their own doctrine just partly based on it.
And then, when you see how these things amazingly work and change your mind, you will have no doubt any more, that Jesus really existed and all the story is true.

[aguest]

I look at the 10 Commandments as a guideline to a happier life. They are afterall, what everyone wants others to be like, or to act like.. Common curtisy and respect for others as well as yourself. No self respecting person would stay with a lier, cheater, or thief. Religion is a man made enviroment of thought. The keepers of the Law.. the law of equaility and balance of judgements..

We all know right from wrong, we choose our lessons. When we do something against another, we are infringing upon their will or how they choose to be. Not because GOD will punish you, but you will punish yourself, by guilt.

When you infringe your will on others you hurt yourself Karmaticly. You change frequency, which causes static in your inviroment. You cut yourself off from logical thinking and become the little me, thinking you are all that is important, which begets greed and lust.

When The Scripture of Jesus was discovered, it said, from Jesus' own words, not diciples, but Jesus, something like this: Follow the Commandants and Look for me not in the Church for I am not there, but look to the Stone which the Church is built from, there is where I dwell.

As it is the congragation that makes up a church, congrigation meaning the people of the church and not the wealth of gold or precious stones imbedding in statues or encrusted on a chalis, but what is in your heart. Big Temples, Churches, ect, mean nothing to the Spirit, only satisfies the preacher/priest ect, It does not glorify GOD, but only golrifies man.

Mankind needs to be governed, otherwise we would revert back to savages. There has to be laws to protect the innocent. The Commandments were the Laws of the Hebrews. We use them because they 'fit' into our lives and are what/how we want eachother to behave like in our society, to keep the peace.
shHow I love all your posts, dear shameless_heifer!

You know, to me this universal "fitness" of the 10 commandments just proves the fact, that they come from the divine source. Really, ask anywhere in the world -- they all would agree that these commandments, if applied, would change mankinds life for the better in all respects.


We all know right from wrong, we choose our lessons. When we do something against another, we are infringing upon their will or how they choose to be. Not because GOD will punish you, but you will punish yourself, by guilt.I believe the punishment will be in the fact, that evil deeds and thoughts change our heart and mind, preventing us from ever being happy persons. There is no "karma" needed in this case even.
In the book of Ecclesiastes 6:3-6 it says to the effect, that if one should live even for a thousand years and have a lot, but never "see good" in his life, then someone bourn dead is happier, because although this one never saw life, he never felt any sorrow either.
Which means, unless I am mistaken, that the point of our living is but to be happy, or "see good".
From the outside it may seem to some that the "wicked" enjoy themselves; but with the eye free from envy we can see they really don't. Do they have peace of mind? Filled with love? Bless every day of their life? Enjoy love with fellow humans, or at least their own relatives?


Mankind needs to be governed, otherwise we would revert back to savages. There has to be laws to protect the innocent. Also agree with you, that we humans need guidance, yet "man dominates man to his injure" says the Bible. That is to say, up to now NO government ever proved to be just and kind and caring enough -- cause we humans just can't make such government. In this case the God-given 10 commandments will be just what we need.