Come and Help bash some Fascists....

[Man_In_A_Shed]

The National Front are holding are march down Union Street in Aberdeen on the 30th of November. I'm sure you all know of the NF's political beliefs so i won't go on a rant. They have tried to hold a demo in Glasgow and the peole stood up against them and they haven't been back. The people of Britian need to make a stand and tell them they are not welcome in Aberdeen. There is a group coming up from the peace camp, aswell as others from throughout Scotland. I may be able to house a couple of people, if not i know loads of camping places. If you are interested please leave your computer for a day and help stop these fascists.


Jamiexx

[Zonk]

Good on ya mate. You may also like to get in touch with Anti-Fa at http://www.antifa.org.uk/ and find out what they're up to.

Probably see you there.

Bash the Fash!

[rainbow dew]

To be fair they do have the right to march just as much as we do.....even if it is wrong.
also do you not think that this might cause more violence within the two groups? we all know how violent some of the party can be, so would it not be better for all to stage a demonstration on a separate day to show how we don't want them here? rather than cause strife and violence and suffering by risking really pissing them off....??
namaste
x x x

[Zonk]

To be fair they do have the right to march just as much as we do.....even if it is wrong.
also do you not think that this might cause more violence within the two groups? we all know how violent some of the party can be, so would it not be better for all to stage a demonstration on a separate day to show how we don't want them here? rather than cause strife and violence and suffering by risking really pissing them off....??
namaste
x x x
Mmmmm, the second world war might spring to mind perhaps? ;)

And also these wankers depend on people being scared of them.

I do my best to REALLY 'piss them off' when ever I can.....because they're Nazis!

There's a long tradition of anti-fascism on these islands and long may it reign!

[Claire]

I think people who judge people on colour dont deserve freespeech to be frank.


Its hard to be accepting of all people, when some people use the freedoms we have fought for nasty purposes:(

Its such a sad situation... Nazi's are misinformed at best and evil at worst.

[Iago]

Are we talking geniune stone cold end up in the hospital bashing here?

Or is just walking up to them, moving your fist incredibly slowly in a punching action to towards but not hitting the face, and saying "bash". Or "Doof".

[Claire]

Are we talking geniune stone cold end up in the hospital bashing here?

Or is just walking up to them, moving your fist incredibly slowly in a punching action to towards but not hitting the face, and saying "bash". Or "Doof".
The later me thinks.... more batman than terminator:p

[Iago]

camp 60's violence! :)

Send pictures please!

[Spacer]

Best of luck folks, the National Front are a shower of wankers, thanks be to god we have no political party that extreme in Ireland.

[Zonk]

Sorry to dampen your spliff!:(


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3636286.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3636286.stm)

[Claire]

My grandad is Irish, he moved to England with his family as a kid.

He said that when he was young the low of the low (*edit*as society saw it) was the "Blacks and the Irish"... so they stuck together to survive up here in Yorkshire:(

Every generation has a group that facists attack...

It could be any of us next time

Good people need to stick together and speak up for what they believe is right.

The silent majority need to get less silent me thinks.

Love Clairexxxx

[Zonk]

Nice one Claire!:)

[Spacer]

Ah that link about racism in Ireland was about up the north man, that's the UK, not Ireland.

[Spacer]

My grandad is Irish, he moved to England with his family as a kid.

He said that when he was young the low of the low (*edit*as society saw it) was the "Blacks and the Irish"... so they stuck together to survive up here in Yorkshire:(

Thats's true, I heard that aswell, they used to have signs in places saying "No Dogs, No Blacks and No Irish". I wouldn't mind but the only reason the Irish were there is cos the English robbed them of all there land a few hundred years earlier, and they were forced to emigrate cos there was no work in Ireland.

[Claire]

Ah that link about racism in Ireland was about up the north man, that's the UK, not Ireland.
You have no fascists in Southern Ireland? wowsers:eek:

[Zonk]

Ah that link about racism in Ireland was about up the north man, that's the UK, not Ireland.Im Irish and the North is part of Ireland!http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Anyway the BNP have set up an organisation in EIRE (would ya believe it?), there really are some tick micks out there!

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=bnp+ireland+eire+first

Havent put a direct link here as we dont want these maggotts tracing back to this forum-they are a bastard to get rid of, but basically the first site will show you what they've set up....twats.

And this for a further look..

http://www.inc.ie/currente.html

Apart from that Eire sadly has a long history of racism, so I beg to differ!http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/rar/diary97to2000.html

Also organised attacks on travellers has gone on for years.

[Spacer]

I'm shocked by that Irish Bnp page, why do the BNP have that, they don't even like us Irish. But even worse is that link http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/rar/diary97to2000.html makes me ashamed to be Irish when I read that. I know there were some Irish people who wouldn't be over the moon about asylum seekers and immigrants, but I never knew there were people that were so vocal and physical about it.

[Claire]

I know there were some Irish people who wouldn't be over the moon about asylum seekers and immigrants, but I never knew there were people that were so vocal and physical about it.
That's why it is so important for us decent silent majority to mobilise and get vocal too.

Love Clairexxx

[Zonk]

Spacer you might be interested (or not) in Organise! An Irish Anarchist organisation.http://flag.blackened.net/infohub/organise/news.php

[Spacer]

No I don't really agree with the Anarchy thing, I'm more of a moderate socialist.

[Zonk]

No I don't really agree with the Anarchy thing, I'm more of a moderate socialist.
Bloody liberals!:p

[Spacer]

lol :) You could even call me a corporate whore considering I work for a bank.

[Zonk]

Satan!!!!!!:X



:)

[Spacer]

I know, I know like I said I'm a corporate whore.........packing it in in January to head off around the world. Only at it cos I can't get a decent job at anything else, apart from other equally crap office jobs.

[peace_sells]

woa dude I'll be there!

[Zonk]

I know, I know like I said I'm a corporate whore.........packing it in in January to head off around the world. Only at it cos I can't get a decent job at anything else, apart from other equally crap office jobs.
We all have to do what we have to do.;)

[Claire]

I work 9-5

It's good:)

It funds my home and my travels to festivals / friends and protests:)

We all need money in this world, whether we like it or not:p

Spent most of today discussing Woody Allen films with team mates though:p

[Spacer]

lol my team in work contain some of the most shallow people on the planet, there's a few bang one ones though, real stand up guys/gals, but for the most part they are muppets.

[Zonk]

For your anti nazi entertainment http://twotins.tripod.com/id7.html


BUT NOT TO BE VIEWED BY PACIFISTS!!!;)

[Man_In_A_Shed]

Good to see the forums haven't changed, you make a post and two pages later the topic has changed.

Nomi- the fascists have made it clear they are coming for us as well as anybody else who challeneges their "beliefs". They will kill you and anybody else who doesn't fall into line. That is not an exaggeration, they aren't fluffly little fascists with some silly thoughts. They are evil. Remember Mr Hitler, or Franco, or Mussolini, do you want that the happen in Britain today? I am a strong believer in non-violence, and i will probably only be throwing eggs\vegetables etc. Buti am not going to stop anybody beating the shit out of facists, especially in my home town were they are not welcome in the slightest. I also believe that people should be entitled to march for their views, BUT not when their views incite hatred and the killing of innocent people because of their skin colour\religion\sexuality.

Hope to you all their, doing your bit to stop this enemy

Jamie

[rainbow dew]

jamie- i do see what you are saying and i don't particularly want them to march either or exist as a group for that matter. but you cannot counter hatred, evil and violence with more hatred evil and violence. believe me it doesn't work. take a look at history, take a look aorund the world now! as long as people counter it with the same thing it will never disappear, this is exactely why the world is in the state it is in!!! yes, the other way does take a little longer but trust me it makes much more of a difference to everyone involved. *sigh* why can't people see this????

namaste
x x x

[Zonk]

jamie- i do see what you are saying and i don't particularly want them to march either or exist as a group for that matter. but you cannot counter hatred, evil and violence with more hatred evil and violence. believe me it doesn't work. take a look at history, take a look aorund the world now! as long as people counter it with the same thing it will never disappear, this is exactely why the world is in the state it is in!!! yes, the other way does take a little longer but trust me it makes much more of a difference to everyone involved. *sigh* why can't people see this????

namaste
x x xI hate to say this and I do very much repect your views (which you couldn't openly share if the nazis were in power) but your knowledge of history is somewhat lacking.

Hitler himself said that if only people had taken the nazis more seriously in the early days then they would have never been able to do what they did.

Pacifism NEVER has worked against fascism. All it has achieved is millions of dead people.

In terms of taking a little longer....yes it does. Jesus preached pacifism and where did it get him or us?



First they came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out –

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists

And I did not speak out –

Because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out –

Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me –

And there was no-one left

To speak out for me.

Pastor Niemöller (http://www.liv-coll.ac.uk/pa09/europetrip/brussels/neimoller.htm), 1938

http://www.liv-coll.ac.uk/pa09/europetrip/brussels/images/warsaw.jpg

The arrest of Jews in Warsaw 1943

[DoktorAtomik]

but you cannot counter hatred, evil and violence with more hatred evil and violence. believe me it doesn't work. take a look at history, take a look aorund the world now! as long as people counter it with the same thing it will never disappearI agree that non-violent action should always be the first resort, but sometimes it's not enough. And I'm afraid whatever you believe, it does work. Back in the late 80s when I lived in Liverpool, the NF decided to try and establish themselves in the area. The local anarchist group decided to pay a visit to the newly-opened NF offices, complete with baseball bats and balaclavas. The NF have never again attempted to organise in Liverpool since then.

[Zonk]

Why

Why did you try to hurt me?
I got to know
Did you really wanna kill me?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
Why do we have to fight
Why must we fight
I had to defend myself
From attack last night
I know I am black
You know you are white
I'm proud of my black skin
And you are proud of your white so
Why did you try to hurt me?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
Do you really wanna kill me?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
We don't need no British Movement
Nor the Klu Klux Klan
Nor the National Front
It make me an angry man
I just wanna live in peace
Why can't you be the same?
Why should I live in fear?
This fussin' and fightin's insane
With a Nazi salute and a steel cap boot
Nazi salute and a steel cap boot
You follow like sheep inna wolf clothes
You follow like sheep inna wolf clothes
We chase you out the dance hall
We chase you through the door
We chase you out the dance hall
We chase you through the door
Cos we can't take no more of this at all
Cos we can't take no more of this at all
With a Nazi salute and a steel cap boot
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
You follow like sheep in a wolfs clothes
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
You're too scared to make a speech
During the light
Without a thousand police
protecting your rights
To threaten and abuse, incite fight
But who will protect me
From you in the night
Why did you try to hurt me?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
Do you really wanna kill me?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
With a Nazi salute and a steel cap boot
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why
You follow like sheep inna wolf clothes
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why


Lynval Golding (http://www.liv-coll.ac.uk/pa09/europetrip/brussels/golding.htm), 1981


:(

[dhARmaMiLlO]

A long time ago, a young 'fashion hippy' at my college said
"I hate fascists, they should all be lined up and shot"
I found it very amusing and yet tragic when it was apparent she didn't understand the irony in such a statement.

[Zonk]

Irony? Depends on your definition of a hippy doesn't it?

And is it fascist to want to shoot people who want to kill you?

Speaking of killing fash, my favourite anti-fascist quote ever was by a Canadian called Fred Baxter who joined the International Brigades in Spain during the Civil War.

When asked why he wanted to go and leave the safety of Canada he replied

"I went to Spain to kill as many fascists as possible; that's all the less to kill when they get here."

Kind of sums it up perfectly for me.....

People can sit back and pretend the nasty nazis are not really THAT bad (probably because they're white-middle-class etc) and then moan something should've been done when they take over, or get off their backside and make sure the events of WW2 and also the more recent tragedy of Yugoslavia doesn't happen again.

At present we live in a 'democracy'. Balls in your court.;)

[dhARmaMiLlO]

Irony? Depends on your definition of a hippy doesn't it?
No. woooosh.

[Zonk]

Interesting response.....

[Claire]

If everyone was peaceful wouldn't the world be an amazing place!!!!

But they aren't.... and it isn't....


sooooo, best to be realistic me thinks:)

[Zonk]

bnp win in london
Here are the results from last night


The BNP polled 51% in Dagenham:

Dagenham By-election Gorsebrook Ward

BNP 1072
Lab 602
UKIP 137
Con 111
LD 85
Green 59

:mad:

[rainbow dew]

i think you should all go back and read what you have written in this post in a non attached manner......

namaste
x x x

[DoktorAtomik]

i think you should all go back and read what you have written in this post in a non attached manner......I think you should read that last post in the voice of your least favourite school teacher and see how it sounds ;)

[rainbow dew]

ok, ok, it wasn't meant to be that patronising!!:p


i just feel that what some of the people replying to this have said, sounds more fascist than the fascists themselves..... but im prolly wrong and get yelled at for saying anything....(get my point??!) *shrug*
namaste
x x x

[Paul]

bnp win in london
Here are the results from last night


The BNP polled 51% in Dagenham:

Dagenham By-election Gorsebrook Ward

BNP 1072
Lab 602
UKIP 137
Con 111
LD 85
Green 59

:mad:When was this? It's only down the road to me and I didn't even realise there was an election :(

[Zonk]

It was last night, bloody fascists!

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11375,1306828,00.html

[Zonk]

scary results :(
Yep, especially when they got more results than all the other parties put togethor!

[Paul]

It was last night, bloody fascists!The scary thing is that this is a predominantly white part of East London/Essex. They have not got any mass immigration issues round there, they haven't got tons of asylum seekers to blame for their troubles, of course there are immigrants, but it isn't an area that has seen any great upsurgance lately ... seems that they must have just followed what they have read in the press.

[DoktorAtomik]

scary results :(*cough* thisiswhathappenswhenpeopledon'tvote *cough*

[Zonk]

*cough* thisiswhathappenswhenpeopledon'tvote *cough*
Personally this is the only reason I would vote, if these freaks were standing, or any party remotely like them.

[Man_In_A_Shed]

Irony? Depends on your definition of a hippy doesn't it?

And is it fascist to want to shoot people who want to kill you?

Speaking of killing fash, my favourite anti-fascist quote ever was by a Canadian called Fred Baxter who joined the International Brigades in Spain during the Civil War.

When asked why he wanted to go and leave the safety of Canada he replied

"I went to Spain to kill as many fascists as possible; that's all the less to kill when they get here."

Kind of sums it up perfectly for me.....

People can sit back and pretend the nasty nazis are not really THAT bad (probably because they're white-middle-class etc) and then moan something should've been done when they take over, or get off their backside and make sure the events of WW2 and also the more recent tragedy of Yugoslavia doesn't happen again.

At present we live in a 'democracy'. Balls in your court.;)

Thanks a lot, you saved me having to type back a response.....:)

[Zonk]

Last night in Basildon Laindon Park the BNP came third in the election with nearly 20% of the vote. This is becoming a pattern.

Full result - Lab 818, C 582, BNP 365 (18.9%), Lib Dem 139, Ind 30.

[Zonk]

Wannabe BNP councillor has a bad night
Posted under Anti-Fascism (http://www.enrager.net/newswire/stories.php?topic=04/02/04/7935625) by Antifa (http://www.enrager.net/newswire/profiles.php?Author=Antifa&AuthorEmail=vasb@nagvsn.bet.hx&AuthorURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.antifa.org.uk) on Sunday September 26 2004 @ 12:38PM BSThttp://www.enrager.net/newswire/images.d/topics/fash.gif (http://www.enrager.net/newswire/stories.php?topic=04/02/04/7935625) At the recent Laindon ward council election in Basildon (23/09), David King, a former BNP treasurer was standing for a seat. Unite Against Fascism held a meeting a week prior to the election, with fifty people present, but no picket of the election count was organised. On the night it was announced that King had come third, and the twenty BNP members and supporters left the town hall defeated, but unopposed. Two minutes down the road, were seven anti-fascists who just happened to be drinking in town. When the two groups met (despite being outnumbered three to one), a 'full and frank discussion' with King and other members ended with them on the floor, and later receiving treatment from an ambulance crew. One of the BNP 'security' entourage panicked and managed to spray two anti-fascists with mace, as well as half his mates. No arrests were made.

For more information about fighting fascism, contact Antifa www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk/)


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[yamamamo]

I'd like to go but its a bit of a trek from Bristol especially when you're broke! If I do manage to get there I'm not going to provoke violence. But if it does "kick off" I'll be more than happy to knock some sense into those fools. We need to let these pricks know they're not welcome. I am not an aggressive person but violence is the only language they understand. Did anyone in the UK see that documentry about the BNP a while back?

[Claire]

I'd like to go but its a bit of a trek from Bristol especially when you're broke! If I do manage to get there I'm not going to provoke violence. But if it does "kick off" I'll be more than happy to knock some sense into those fools. We need to let these pricks know they're not welcome. I am not an aggressive person but violence is the only language they understand. Did anyone in the UK see that documentry about the BNP a while back?
the one on the BBC? Under the Skin of the BNP? If so yeh...

its on there website here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm

Well worth downloading

[yamamamo]

Yep, that's the one. The thing that surprised me were that the party leaders were involved in the violence. I assumed they wouldn't be getting involved in stuff like that and just leave it to the people lower down the ladder of power.

[Zonk]

BNP pick up another result around 40%:

Council by-elecion Village Ward By-Election held 7 Oct,
result: Lab 1085, BNP 935
(38.5%), C 410. Turnout 35%.

:mad:

[Man_In_A_Shed]

They are now awaiting the *final* decision by the council\police on the 25th of oct. As soon as i find out it will be up.

[Xiola]

this is jamie-



The NF were denied permission to hold the demo!! but the bastards are still going up, roughly 100 of them, on the day to do "christmas shopping" in aberdeen. A very likely story, so it would be great if those interested could still come up, because they will no doubt try to get a demo going without permission.



more info to come closer to the date about whats going to be happening.





Jamiexx

[TreeHouse]

The National Front are holding are march down Union Street in Aberdeen on the 30th of November.The National Front are tiny and irrelevent! Not only that but Aberdeen has hardly any ethnic minorities so their march is hardly likely to inlfame racial tensions. Not only that but the far right in general are now tiny and irrelevent to British politics. It is not like in the 1930s when fascists could command the support of tens of thousands of followers and had support from senior members of the establishment. The fascists of today are a joke.

[Man_In_A_Shed]

[QUOTE=TreeHouse]Aberdeen has hardly any ethnic minorities so their march is hardly likely to inlfame racial tensions. QUOTE]




You must be a complete tosser if you think that, have you ever been to the place? or seen the figures of the different faiths\languages? Aberdeen is as mixed as any other city in Britain.