UFOs over Stratford upon Avon!

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In case you didn't get to see the aliens, find out what you missed!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770

[phoenix_indigo]

quite freaky

[lithium]

Probably those big paper lantern things they let off at festivals...

[phoenix_indigo]

did you watch the video, Lithium? I don't think a paper lantern could move like that. Was a bit odd.
Not saying a UFO (well of the alien variety at least) but it is REALLY weird.

[Power_13]

I love the caption under the stock photograph of a UFO:

Were flying saucers like this one hovering over Stratford under the cover of darkness?
Imagine it. A race of highly intelligent beings who have mastered space travel and choose to examine humans using these silent, floating, unbelievably fast space vessels, using all methods of radar evasion and stealth to avoid being caught.

Then they forget to turn their lights off.


Intelligent life out there sure is stupid.

[phoenix_indigo]

lol ... they are trying to experiment to see how gullible we all are ;)

[mamaKCita]

the "flying saucer" pic cracks me up. not nearly as much as the "witch flying over a small town in mexico" does, though. that's a riot. as for ufos, well hell, i lived in new mexico a long time.

[CrucifiedDreams]

I'd like to believe that it's something more. Something unexplainable.

[lithium]

did you watch the video, Lithium? I don't think a paper lantern could move like that. Was a bit odd.
Not saying a UFO (well of the alien variety at least) but it is REALLY weird.Yeah, they do, that's exactly how they move. They get caught by a gust of wind and whizz along and then as they keep climbing and reach a different stratum they can suddenly slow down and seem to stop. It's one possibility among many.

I think it's fascinating how we instantly assume all kinds of complicated things when the answer is bound to be something simple:) There's no magic, aliens or ghosts, people!:D

[mamaKCita]

it's fun believing, in a light sort of way.

[Power_13]

There's no magic, aliens or ghosts, people!:D
You are one of them! :eek:

[paulfreespirit]

Yeah, they do, that's exactly how they move. They get caught by a gust of wind and whizz along and then as they keep climbing and reach a different stratum they can suddenly slow down and seem to stop. It's one possibility among many.

I think it's fascinating how we instantly assume all kinds of complicated things when the answer is bound to be something simple:) There's no magic, aliens or ghosts, people!:D is your mind really that closed jon i mean to come out with a statement as sort of final like this :D of course your opinion is your opinion man but their are many many many people who have had paranormal /spiritual experiences as for proof the proof is out their and maybe you could prove it yourself if you really tried . i have stayed in many locations on overnight investigations and i bullshit you not jon freaky things have happened .

[paulfreespirit]

by the way i dont claim to know everything (who does) but what i see "feel" sense " experience is real to me ..........i find it a bit niave for people to dismiss the unknown or unexplained just like ........that sounds mad or i can"nt grasp or come to terms that it might be or could be real so therefore its not full stop .

[paulfreespirit]

sorry to go off topic here like but has anyone had that sense of feeling that when they have visited a place for the first time they have felt like they have been their before ? . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0yRtc5_O4

[lithium]

I realise rational thinkers, "Brights (http://www.the-brights.net/)" like me are in the minority. I don't dismiss the possibility entirely, I just think the chances are slim. In fact, vanishingly small. If someone were able to offer me convincing evidence from a properly controlled experiment, basically anything that doesn't rely on doubt, assumption, flawed and fallible personal experience and which can't readily be explained according to known phenomena, then I would change my opinion in an instant. No such evidence of any of these phenomena having ever been found despite so much time and effort looking, I feel I can safely assume that the miniscule possibility of their existence can be effectively discounted:)

Call me closed-minded if you wish, I just think I have high standards and need a good reason to believe something. I know how easy it is to believe in phantoms and know not to trust my unaided senses when we have far better tools to tell us about the way things actually are:)


You are one of them! :eek:
This one knows too much:eek:

[mamaKCita]

i've never "seen" anything or felt anything that couldn't be attributed to something more reasonable. but there's been a few things i'm inclined to believe in, despite the more reasonable explanations, just because my gut instinct tells me to. but that's pretty rare, i guess. ufos? never saw one, but i know some trustworthy skeptics who came to believe.

[phoenix_indigo]

sorry to go off topic here like but has anyone had that sense of feeling that when they have visited a place for the first time they have felt like they have been their before ? .definitely! i've had this happen a few times. once in particular when i was young i was supposed to visit a friend of the families science lab at one of the local hospitals/universities in the area. i'd never been there before.

the night before i went i had this dream that i was in the backseat of a car and we pulled into a parking space that had a streetlamp in front of it with a concrete ballard surrounding it that was painted yellow.
later in the dream i was walking down a hallway painted white. on the left side were a row of wooden doors and on one door was a yellow post-it note sticking out slightly from the door.

sure enough, when we went to the research lab, we parked in front of a streetlamp complete with concrete ballard painted yellow.
and we walked down several white painted hallways, which had a row of wooden doors on the left side and one of them had a yellow post-it note sticking from it, just as in my dream.


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on another off-topic random freakiness thing...

my sis and i haven't talked to each other in about a month. i have no clue what she's been up to, and she has no clue what i've been up to. i hadn't talked to any of my family in several weeks.

this weekend, i decided to redo the sealant around the bathtub as it had been leaking. i was mid project (as i've never done this before it was taking awhile) and logged into MySpace to check messages and saw that she had posted a blog.
Her blog was all about how she'd been redoing the sealant on her bathtub!!!

I had even had a dream the night before I started my project that the sealant was scraped off the tub but not reapplied and my sister had gone in to take a shower (though she's never been at my flat ... in the dream we were at my parents but not their house somewhere else) and I had to go and tell her not to because the water would leak into the neighbours apartment. So, combined with the fact that I found out she too had been working on the same unusual project as me sort of freaked me out quite a bit.

I don't normally believe in 'paranormal' activity but at the same time I'm not just going to assume that I know such things can never happen.

[lithium]

I experience deja-vu all the time, I think most people do, it's a normal part of experience like many other misperceptions and illusions we all encounter. Even if we don't know the specific neural mechanism responsible for this perceptual disruption, it makes perfect sense to speculate that it arises as a consequence of brain activity, I think it has been linked with certain brain pathologies and chemical triggers.

I also frequently experience bizarre coincidences, just like everyone does. It makes far more sense to try and rule out the simple explanations before invoking vastly improbable and complicated explanations to try to explain what happens to us all, all the time, millions of times a day throughout the world as part of normal human experience...

[paulfreespirit]

dont worry jon man ile prove it to you ile come back and fucking haunt yer :tongue: ;)

[paulfreespirit]

definitely! i've had this happen a few times. once in particular when i was young i was supposed to visit a friend of the families science lab at one of the local hospitals/universities in the area. i'd never been there before.

the night before i went i had this dream that i was in the backseat of a car and we pulled into a parking space that had a streetlamp in front of it with a concrete ballard surrounding it that was painted yellow.
later in the dream i was walking down a hallway painted white. on the left side were a row of wooden doors and on one door was a yellow post-it note sticking out slightly from the door.

sure enough, when we went to the research lab, we parked in front of a streetlamp complete with concrete ballard painted yellow.
and we walked down several white painted hallways, which had a row of wooden doors on the left side and one of them had a yellow post-it note sticking from it, just as in my dream.


...

on another off-topic random freakiness thing...

my sis and i haven't talked to each other in about a month. i have no clue what she's been up to, and she has no clue what i've been up to. i hadn't talked to any of my family in several weeks.

this weekend, i decided to redo the sealant around the bathtub as it had been leaking. i was mid project (as i've never done this before it was taking awhile) and logged into MySpace to check messages and saw that she had posted a blog.
Her blog was all about how she'd been redoing the sealant on her bathtub!!!

I had even had a dream the night before I started my project that the sealant was scraped off the tub but not reapplied and my sister had gone in to take a shower (though she's never been at my flat ... in the dream we were at my parents but not their house somewhere else) and I had to go and tell her not to because the water would leak into the neighbours apartment. So, combined with the fact that I found out she too had been working on the same unusual project as me sort of freaked me out quite a bit.

I don't normally believe in 'paranormal' activity but at the same time I'm not just going to assume that I know such things can never happen.wow........ to me thats no co-incedence infact i personally dont believe in co-incidence "i believe everything happens for a reason .

[Skip]

Hate to spoil the party, but I came up with another possible explanation. They say there were no stars visible at the time. There's the clue. So it wasn't a clear evening, as there's been a LOT of rain lately, much cloudiness.

Those lights remind me very much of Klieg lights, the kind they use in Hollywood to promote an event. You'd need one for each "saucer", point them all up at the same area of cloud. The lights could actually be positioned pretty far from each other.

You'd need to have the right conditions so that the source of the light wouldn't be obvious (no low lying fog or mist which would make the light look like a beam).

If the lights had been multicolored or individual lights on each "saucer" then it couldn't be that scenario.

Kleig lights can be moved very quickly and "mimic" alien spacecraft.

Any aircraft flying overhead would've been able to see the source of the lights. That explains why the radar screens saw nothing.

[paulfreespirit]

what do you all think of this ? .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0yRtc5_O4

[phoenix_indigo]

what do you all think of this ? .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0yRtc5_O4i'm honestly not sure if i believe in ghosts at all. i figure if there were such things as ghosts then there'd be ALOT more of them considering how long the earth has been around and how many people have died here.

that being said however... there was ONE video (that was determined not to have been faked) that i saw on some program (can't remember what it was) about ghosts being fiction. even the presenters of this 'debunking' program said that this video was unexplainable. the one thing that strikes me (about this vid you have linked to) is that there were a lot of particles in the air. now the one in the vid you just linked to could just be bits of dust. the one i saw on this program had THOUSANDS of particles floating in the air in and seeming to be 'attracted' to the area that the 'abnormality' came from.

i agree with Jon in one respect. I think that there are lots of things that occur that people immediately decide are paranormal, psychic, or 'of whatever god-like being they believe in' ... many if not all of these things can usually be explained with rational and logical thinking. some come up with scientific reasons, etc.
however, i don't think that EVERYTHING can just so easily be chocked up to science and say that nothing abnormal or 'freaky' (as i'd put it) ever happens. there are some things that do happen that i think are just unexplainable. maybe at their core there is some science behind it, but it might be a far off explaination that we humans just haven't discovered yet.

(hopefully that all made sense ... felt like i was rambling). :tongue:

[Power_13]

Klieg lights
I guess the only way to debunk this theory would be if the lights rose in altitude, which is difficult to tell (especailly with the video quality). Since the lights would be reflecting from the clouds, it'd be "two dimensional" and altitude differences wouldn't be possible.

I also think Lithium has a point about the floaty fire things (can't remember what they're called). I'd liked to have seen where the lights went after the video finished, since that'd give more of a clue as to their origin.

[paulfreespirit]

i'm honestly not sure if i believe in ghosts at all. i figure if there were such things as ghosts then there'd be ALOT more of them considering how long the earth has been around and how many people have died here.

that being said however... there was ONE video (that was determined not to have been faked) that i saw on some program (can't remember what it was) about ghosts being fiction. even the presenters of this 'debunking' program said that this video was unexplainable. the one thing that strikes me (about this vid you have linked to) is that there were a lot of particles in the air. now the one in the vid you just linked to could just be bits of dust. the one i saw on this program had THOUSANDS of particles floating in the air in and seeming to be 'attracted' to the area that the 'abnormality' came from.

i agree with Jon in one respect. I think that there are lots of things that occur that people immediately decide are paranormal, psychic, or 'of whatever god-like being they believe in' ... many if not all of these things can usually be explained with rational and logical thinking. some come up with scientific reasons, etc.
however, i don't think that EVERYTHING can just so easily be chocked up to science and say that nothing abnormal or 'freaky' (as i'd put it) ever happens. there are some things that do happen that i think are just unexplainable. maybe at their core there is some science behind it, but it might be a far off explaination that we humans just haven't discovered yet.

(hopefully that all made sense ... felt like i was rambling). :tongue:not rambling at all danielle ........good points ........did you see the little boy or girl spirit at the top of the stairs ? surely that was"nt dust . if you look closely at the particles also which i agree can be dust what about the very bright ones (have they been mr sheened ) :tongue:

[lithium]

however, i don't think that EVERYTHING can just so easily be chocked up to science and say that nothing abnormal or 'freaky' (as i'd put it) ever happens. there are some things that do happen that i think are just unexplainable. maybe at their core there is some science behind it, but it might be a far off explaination that we humans just haven't discovered yet.I'd agree with you wholeheartedly there Danielle. One of the central ideas of the "Brights" movement is the recognition that there is no need to invoke any kind of supernatural explanation for anything that happens in the universe, and that the very idea is rationally unintelligible.

That's not to say that everything is understood - very, very, very far from it, particularly in the subatomic and quantum realm. It's just to say that the things that happen that we don't understand are almost certainly bound by natural laws we haven't discovered yet. If a phenomenon manifests itself in the universe then it is a natural phenomenon by definition. If it doesn't manifest itself in the universe then, frankly, why would you want to even speculate about it since we can have no access to it and it can have nothing whatsoever to do with us. But the moment you talk about something humans can perceive or which affects us in any way, you are by definition talking about an aspect of nature, whether we understand it or not. This is why the very idea of "the supernatural" makes no rational sense.

As for ghosts, deja vu, freaky coincidences that seem uncannily like psychic connections or fate, etc, there is no need to even delve into the areas of physical science we don't yet comprehend for explanations. They are explained perfectly well according to psychology and neuroscience and are almost certainly simple misperceptions and illusions. This we can say because they tend to fit perfectly with our evolved psychological mechanisms, our innate assumptions about agency, personhood, threat detection and social reasoning for instance.

[mamaKCita]

at any rate, reality is crazy enough.

[BusHippy]

I live near stratford upon avon and although not seeing these apparant "lights", I have seen unexplainable things, i.e: lights, in the past nearby. Not far away, is Kineton, a munitions site heavely guarded and closed off to everyone. A lot of airial activity has been observed near there over the years. Most of it, unexplained.

[mamaKCita]

darm. i was really hoping they were on the shakespeare tour.

[mellowthyme]

It's funny how only the west seem to be engrossed with such phenomina. You don't get the same interest in say India or Nepal. Then again maybe in 20 - 30 years time when American and European technology becomes available we may see a change in culture there too.

[mamaKCita]

i've lived in new mexico, i've driven by area 51. i'm doomed to being interested.

[mellowthyme]

I'm not being dismissive of strange and unique phenomina that cannot be explained in any true empherical and logical way. The fact that Area 51 exists can, in one way explain the fasination of such interest in UFO's.

[mamaKCita]

it's fun. it's like folklore. hell, even my husband who never believes in anything saw one and is a believer now. i never saw it, i was too preoccupied by him lifting his diminutive mother over a wall by her ass so she could see it, too. it was REALLY funny.

[themysterytramp]

the video just showed a bunch of dots in the sky, could be anything at all

[dapablo]

better maybe !

[phoenix_indigo]

better maybe !lol :)

[Hippie_Girl]

Ah the Daily Mail!!!

[Peace-Phoenix]

I don't believe aliens have ever visited Earth. The liklihood of that is remote if Einstein's theory of relativity is accurate and if faster than light travel is impossible. It might, of course, be wrong, but I still find it unlikely. By probabilities, though, taking into acount how many millions of stars there are in our galaxy and how many millions of galaxies there are, I consider it almost a statistical certainty that alien life exists somewhere....

[MoxDragon]

Due to time dilation if you were travelling at almost 99% the speed of light your experience of a journey of several light years would pass for you in a matter of months..of course observers outside your ship would still note that it takes you seven years to complete a 7 ly journey, but not for YOU it would seem like months not years...

It is theoretically possible for a mass to travel at 99.9% light speed, there are many star systems within just 20 light years...don't rule out the interplanetary logistical capabilities of sufficently advanced species....

[lithium]

The chances of life existing somewhere else in the universe have to be pretty high - even if the odds of life developing on a given planet were a billion to one that would mean a billion planets with life because the known universe is so huge.

But the problem is the vastness of the universe - the chances of life occurring on a planet within range of earth is vanishingly insignificant, and the kind of life we're talking about is most likely to be single cell organisms anyway not complex life and still less likely will it be intelligent complex life. The chances of there being intelligent complex life within 20 light years that has also worked out how to travel at near the speed of light ... nah.

Such 'alien' sightings are however very easily explained with reference to human nature and well defined aspects of our psychology - same with ghosts, same with gods.

[Jimmie Blue]

Interesting, I wonder why they didn't send up a air force jet to check it out.

[ozrics]

u f o,s over stratford bloody hell what next fighting in doncaster on a saturday night tounge in cheek

[PsyGrunge]

People should start analysing coincidences.
THAT'S when it gets interesting.

As for the UFO story, I guess I believe - we see enough of 'em round here (over the Wirral, UK).
I'm surprised you haven't got onto them, paulfreespirit.

[verseau_miracle]

Call me closed-minded if you wish


Closed-minded:p

[lithium]

Ah I wonder where paulfreespirit is now, probably riding some comet to the far reaches of the galaxy, or sitting on his sofa stoned as fuck... which amounts to the same thing:rolleyes: