FAITH and drug usage (corrected)

[Cobain's Shotgun]

I want to see if there's any correlation.

[36fuckin5]

By "God" do you mean the Christian god or just a higher power?

Personally, I believe we all share the same soul. We start and end our lives as the same being, which in a sense, would make us all "god." It follows very closely with what I've read on Buddhism (others who I explain it to say I'm Taoist, but I haven't read enough on it to know.)

[Cobain's Shotgun]

As the poll question states, "any form of God".

[Sensei]

my pantheism is just as similar to theism as it is atheism. I put yes, though, because even though I'de rather call it the dao it could be seen as god. I mainly use hallucinogens and weed. I also think that polytheism's gods of myth are archetypes from the collective subconscious and that abrahamic monotheism's god is the result of it being easier to put blame on something else (devil), put work on someone else (god) and such rather than ones self. that religion is the natural extension of mammalian society. (the biggest alpha male.)

by the way, god is a crazy women and his name is eris.

[unionjack67]

I need a bit of Clarification. Which God?

Christian, Islam, Jewish, Hindu (many gods), Catholic, etc... None of these people worship the same god.

I believe there is something out there... Just not sure what. Perhaps that classifies me as Agnostic.

[jagerhans]

all right this is 420 group, but wtf ! read above !
"any form of God".

[unionjack67]

all right this is 420 group, but wtf ! read above !
"any form of God".This is a HUGE difference between a higher power (s) and a god.

Higher Power: various dieties such as aliens, budda, jesus, etc.

GOD: A creator or creators of all things and maker of life.

BIG difference.

I certainly believe in a Higher Power. I am quite doubtful that there is a god and if there is that he/she/it cares nothing of humanity.

Religion is the root of all evil.

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[RELAYER]

Namaste! ~
God is God, no matter what we call it.
And God can not be understood through
speculation and philosophy.
Krsna means All Attractive.
Hare Krsna :)
Yes, if anything, my experiences with
all drugs, mainly sillycibon and LSD have
strengthened my connection with
the presence of God.
Om shanti ~

[Sensei]

god doesn't necesarily mean a creator. a good word for what I believe is transcendental agnostic

[RELAYER]

Religion is the root of all evil.

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I would say that desire is the root of
suffering, which causes men to act
in an evil manner.
Religion is but one part of it.

[RELAYER]

transcendental agnostic
agnostic means literally "to not know"
How, may I ask, do you perceive this
to be trancendental?!

[unionjack67]

god doesn't necesarily mean a creator. a good word for what I believe is transcendental agnosticWe all have ideas as to what the Definition of god is. To me, a god would be a being with infinite power and the creator of all things. That is what a god would be to me.

I say agnostic because I am not a god, which means I am not all knowing. To completely rule out a god would be awful close minded. If there is a god and demands fear of itself (as some religions teach), it would not be something worthy of worship and quite frightening of think of a god so evil that it used fear to control and rule.

My wife is a practicing Wicca/Pagan. While I have no interest myself in the rituals and beliefs, I do like the idea of doing whatever you want so long as it didn't hurt anyone.

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[unionjack67]

I would say that desire is the root of
suffering, which causes men to act
in an evil manner.
Religion is but one part of it.Religion is the cause of most war.

Religion causes greed of power and money.

Religion controls and a discourages people from thinking for themselves.

Religion is a man made institution with the corruption and falicy of such a thing.

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Religion is the cause of most war.

Religion causes greed of power and money.

Religion controls and a discourages people from thinking for themselves.

Religion is a man made institution with the corruption and falicy of such a thing.
Quite the contrary, my friend.
Desire for power causes religious manipulation.
Desire for money causes religious manipulation.
Before there was religion, there was desire.
Desire for money and power.
Religion came after. At least, the kind of religion
you are speaking of.
Vedic literature is the manual that comes with
the creation of existance.
True religion is non-sectarian God realization
which shows us to love and accept all beings.
False religion is the notion that one understands
God through thought, speculation, and philosophy,
which gives the authority to a human being to
say God is this, not that, and if you dont believe
you are not welcome/going to hell/lost.

[unionjack67]

Quite the contrary, my friend.
Desire for power causes religious manipulation.
Desire for money causes religious manipulation.
Before there was religion, there was desire.
Desire for money and power.
Religion came after. At least, the kind of religion
you are speaking of.
Vedic literature is the manual that comes with
the creation of existance.
True religion is non-sectarian God realization
which shows us to love and accept all beings.
False religion is the notion that one understands
God through thought, speculation, and philosophy,
which gives the authority to a human being to
say God is this, not that, and if you dont believe
you are not welcome/going to hell/lost.I agree with this. I think it is what I was trying to say in just a few words.

[RELAYER]

I agree with this. I think it is what I was trying to say in just a few words.
Jack67 (btw, my sons name is Jack!)
Im glad you agree, because we can
see obviously that its true.
Wether you believe in God or not, that
not the issue.
I dont believe in God, I have felt God,
the oneness of our essence.
But this is based off of substance, and
can not be preached with words.
Yoga can show you God, but YOU have
to do it yourself. Kriya Yoga :)
Again, this is not the issue.
The truth is that there are very many
selfish, careless people in this world
who extort religion by twisting messages
to gain material profit. Which, is disgusting.
Jesus, who attained Christ Conciousness,
came to tell us that the Kingdom of God
is within us.
And that to above all, Love each other.
But through mistranslation, purification, and
the perverted obsessions owned by certain
leaders of men throughout the past 2000
years, His message has been bastardized so
badly that one has to search his own soul
so deeply to even begin to read through
the lines in the New Testament.
It's really a shame.
But His message is still alive and definitley
conicides with Krsna and Buddha :):

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

the idea of religion in my eyes is mans desperation for safety and certainty...which i do not nescesarily believe is a bad thing, if it gets people through life then i see no harm in that...also the belief systems and teachings of the monotheistic religions are very helpful in teaching people good morals eg. love thy neighbour etc. i do not believe in the idea of god or a higher power and it is a very pessimistic way of looking at life but i find the idea far too improbable in this modern world.
use of psychedelic drugs have not nescessarily changed my religious beliefs but they have helped me to philosophise and come to my conclusions about life...x x x

[RELAYER]

the idea of religion in my eyes is mans desperation for safety and certainty...which i do not nescesarily believe is a bad thing, if it gets people through life then i see no harm in that...also the belief systems and teachings of the monotheistic religions are very helpful in teaching people good morals eg. love thy neighbour etc. i do not believe in the idea of god or a higher power and it is a very pessimistic way of looking at life but i find the idea far too improbable in this modern world.
use of psychedelic drugs have not nescessarily changed my religious beliefs but they have helped me to philosophise and come to my conclusions about life...x x x
But, in all honesty, not every one who believes
in God does so out of fear of being unsafe
and uncomfortable!
Sure, some do, typically the people who were
brought up to blindly believe a certain faith and
to never question said faith.
But my search for God is nothing but love and
happyness, and I do not do it to feel safe.
If anything, my spiritual experiences, wether
through meditation sober or on psychedelic
drugs, have been far more earth shattering
and startling then anything I had previously
experienced.

Also, why would you come to conclusions about
life? Im assuming you are a young person, but
even if you are old, do you not learn something
new everyday?
Dont close your mind man.
Im not asking you to believe what I, or anyone
else believes, but please, dont close your mind.
Possibilities are endless :)

[unionjack67]

I think my MAIN problem with Christians are that they do NOT follow the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught tolerance, love, forgiveness, and acceptance.

Christians teach NONE of that, nor do they pretend to. IF the religious world taught love and acceptance of all, it would suck in me right in.

But, I do not want to be controlled or brainwashed. I want to have beliefs based on my own conclusions (as I do now) and feel welcomed and loved even if I openly state disagreement in a particular dogma.

IF I ever decided on organized religion, I would look strongly at Unitarians or Universalist.

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

But, in all honesty, not every one who believes
in God does so out of fear of being unsafe
and uncomfortable!
Sure, some do, typically the people who were
brought up to blindly believe a certain faith and
to never question said faith.
But my search for God is nothing but love and
happyness, and I do not do it to feel safe.
If anything, my spiritual experiences, wether
through meditation sober or on psychedelic
drugs, have been far more earth shattering
and startling then anything I had previously
experienced.

Also, why would you come to conclusions about
life? Im assuming you are a young person, but
even if you are old, do you not learn something
new everyday?
Dont close your mind man.
Im not asking you to believe what I, or anyone
else believes, but please, dont close your mind.
Possibilities are endless :)
sorry man i do believe i generalised a little bit there...my little rant was more over the idea of organised religion. i was brought up in a lets say liberal roman catholic household and the hipocrisy i saw in the people of the congregation as well as in my own household completely turned me against the constitution of organised religion...i meant to say the way in which people force themselves to go to church although they really dont want to be there is not out of love for god but more for the fear of damnation (in the more "oldschool" members) or for the fear of others looking down upon them...its almost as though whatever people do behind closed doors is fine as long as they turn up to church on a sunday...
obviously here i am only talkin about the roman catholic church as that is what i know and i shouldnt really comment on the whole idea of religion as i havent been in direct contact with them...:)

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

But, in all honesty, not every one who believes
in God does so out of fear of being unsafe
and uncomfortable!
Sure, some do, typically the people who were
brought up to blindly believe a certain faith and
to never question said faith.
But my search for God is nothing but love and
happyness, and I do not do it to feel safe.
If anything, my spiritual experiences, wether
through meditation sober or on psychedelic
drugs, have been far more earth shattering
and startling then anything I had previously
experienced.

Also, why would you come to conclusions about
life? Im assuming you are a young person, but
even if you are old, do you not learn something
new everyday?
Dont close your mind man.
Im not asking you to believe what I, or anyone
else believes, but please, dont close your mind.
Possibilities are endless :)
sorry man i do believe i generalised a little bit there...my little rant was more over the idea of organised religion. i was brought up in a lets say liberal roman catholic household and the hipocrisy i saw in the people of the congregation as well as in my own household completely turned me against the constitution of organised religion...i meant to say the way in which people force themselves to go to church although they really dont want to be there is not out of love for god but more for the fear of damnation (in the more "oldschool" members) or for the fear of others looking down upon them...its almost as though whatever people do behind closed doors is fine as long as they turn up to church on a sunday...
obviously here i am only talkin about the roman catholic church as that is what i know and i shouldnt really comment on the whole idea of religion as i havent been in direct contact with them...:)

[RELAYER]

sorry man i do believe i generalised a little bit there...my little rant was more over the idea of organised religion. i was brought up in a lets say liberal roman catholic household and the hipocrisy i saw in the people of the congregation as well as in my own household completely turned me against the constitution of organised religion...i meant to say the way in which people force themselves to go to church although they really dont want to be there is not out of love for god but more for the fear of damnation (in the more "oldschool" members) or for the fear of others looking down upon them...its almost as though whatever people do behind closed doors is fine as long as they turn up to church on a sunday...
obviously here i am only talkin about the roman catholic church as that is what i know and i shouldnt really comment on the whole idea of religion as i havent been in direct contact with them...:)
Much love to you! :)
I have witnessed this exact same situation
with the fearful, selfish, dishonest members
of the 'Christian' religion.
It really, has become a tool of evil.

[Cobain's Shotgun]

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[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

pardon?

[darkain]

BZP is my fav, but its not on the list so I have to say Marijuana is my fav. Yes, I believe in God.

[jagerhans]

taking into consideration the great role of drugs and particularly psychedelics in some ancient cults, (read A.Hoffmann's 'the mysteries of eleusis') and the result of this poll, i think that the catholic church could greatly enhance its constantly decreasing popularity by means of introducing the use of marijuana and LSD into its liturgy.:spliff: :angel:
after all this tactic worked in the third world (conversion->food) so why cant they do the same with drugs ? oh and btw stoned believers forget easier those horror stories of child abuses from the clergy.

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

lol low blow man

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

lol low blow man

[motokop88]

i dont think this is a religous forum to debate the existence of god

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

well its discussing the correlation between the use of psychedelic drugs and beliefs in god...so it doesnt need to be in a religion forum

[jagerhans]

i dont think this is a religous forum to debate the existence of god
e sti cazzi nun ce lo metti ?

[lifelovefun]

If anyone does drugs and really takes the time to open their mind, than afterwards they're not going to believe in "god" anymore. That's why religions speak out against drugs and condemn them, because if everyone did them, nobody would go to church :)

[Dh4rm0ny]

God is an all-seeing eye Dog for those who commit evil to live, great spirit told me so once while on a psilopsybin trip.