Why do people care about gay issues?

[Aladdin]

Often we have to say where we stand in gay issues.
Cant we simply not care?

If my children would turn gay I wouldnt care one bit. If gays would be jailed for being gay I wouldnt care either.

Do you have to have an opinion positive or negative?

Who cares if 2 grown people of the same sex fucks, why is it even an issue that you have to accept or be against?

[Night_Owl49]

'Turn gay'? lol.

Anyway, I have no problem with neutrality and I don't know anybody that does.

[Samhain]

Often we have to say where we stand in gay issues.
Cant we simply not care?

If my children would turn gay I wouldnt care one bit. If gays wouldnt be jailed fr being gay I wouldnt care either.

Do you have to have an opinion positive or negative?

Who cares if 2 grown people of the same sex fucks, why is it even an issue that you have to accept or be against?
what was your point about being jailed I don't get it
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[Aladdin]

what was your point about being jailed I don't get it
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I wrote it wrong i fixed it, If people would be jailed, not be able to have certain jobs for being gay et c, I wouldnt care one single bit, cause Im not pro gay.

If my children would be born gay, or if half the world would be gay would be gays, I eouldnt care either.

I dont see why people are so obsessed with the issue!

Who cares about gay adoption, gay marrige, sodomi being illegal in texas et c.? Why care?

[Night_Owl49]

what was your point about being jailed I don't get it
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[Samhain]

I wrote it wrong i fixed it, If people would be jailed, not be able to have certain jobs for being gay et c, I wouldnt care one single bit, cause Im not pro gay.

If my children would be born gay, or if half the world would be gay would be gays, I eouldnt care either.

I dont see why people are so obsessed with the issue!

Who cares about gay adoption, gay marrige, sodomi being illegal in texas et c.? Why care?
ok well if people where jailed for being gay thats called being prejudice and being antigay and it would be hurting people that have done nothing wrong.

does this really have to be explained to you, would you like to be jailed for the colour of your eyes, or would it not bother you because your not pro eye colour?
sounds stupid doesn't it, well so does jailing people because they are gay.

if prejudice is going on and you just don't care you are as bad as the people that are being prejudice
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[Aladdin]

Im not a good person if that is what you are asking? And I am racit towards red haired people. Cartman puts it out good, They are born that way cause they have no soul, I agree.

Maybe I am just as bad, or maybe you are to?
Why do you force opinions on people, why are you demanding us to be pro or against gays? Why cant people be left alone?

This is much like politics, some people are liberal others conservative, and then there are people that dont care, and dont want to have an opinion.
Why cant the gay stand be like that?

[Night_Owl49]

Why care? Well, I guess you're not affected by it...

And enough with the blanket statements. Why are we demanding you to have a stance? I don't believe I've ever spoken to you.

[Aladdin]

Why care? Well, I guess you're not affected by it...

And enough with the blanket statements. Why are we demanding you to have a stance? I don't believe I've ever spoken to you.

liberals and conservatives. on the tv, papers,

[Samhain]

Im not a good person if that is what you are asking? And I am racit towards red haired people. Cartman puts it out good, They are born that way cause they have no soul, I agree.

Maybe I am just as bad, or maybe you are to?
Why do you force opinions on people, why are you demanding us to be pro or against gays? Why cant people be left alone?

This is much like politics, some people are liberal others conservative, and then there are people that dont care, and dont want to have an opinion.
Why cant the gay stand be like that?
if you want to not care, I don't think anyones stopping you, however by insisting that everyone doesn't care, your doing what you say you don't like, namely forcing your views onto other people.
you get on with not caring its not difficult to avoid issues and let everyone else get on with what they want to do
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[mamaKCita]

when one of us is treated unfairly, it's an insult to ALL of us. my sexuality has never affected my life, positively or negatively, i blend in. but seeing my friends denied their rights, denied their dignity, denied respect over something so assinine as you don't like who they sleep with, that's injustice. i'm no more okay with that than i am with people being treated unfairly for the color of their skin. in a perfect world, none of this would matter, but it's not a perfect world, and there ARE issues to care about and deal with from every perspective, lifestyle and philosophy.

and for you to put blinders on for the simple fact that you find it a nuisance is not only naive in the extreme, but flagrant laziness.

[Aladdin]

and for you to put blinders on for the simple fact that you find it a nuisance is not only naive in the extreme, but flagrant laziness.

Exactly, I still get mad for people pushing me to have an opinion on this.

[Samhain]

when one of us is treated unfairly, it's an insult to ALL of us. my sexuality has never affected my life, positively or negatively, i blend in. but seeing my friends denied their rights, denied their dignity, denied respect over something so assinine as you don't like who they sleep with, that's injustice. i'm no more okay with that than i am with people being treated unfairly for the color of their skin. in a perfect world, none of this would matter, but it's not a perfect world, and there ARE issues to care about and deal with from every perspective, lifestyle and philosophy.

and for you to put blinders on for the simple fact that you find it a nuisance is not only naive in the extreme, but flagrant laziness.
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[SlickyPants]

I think that if everyone in this world was like Aladdin and didn't care, the world would be a better place. If nobody cared if someone was gay then they wouldn't care if they got married, adopted, etc. There'd be no reason to treat GLBT people unfairly because it wouldn't even be an issue.

Unfortunately some people do have a problem with homosexuality for various reasons. If we don't take a stand then we get sent to the gallows. Sure we would try to cover it up but it will only result in an unhappy life. I'd rather die than be forced to live a lie and I might as well die fighting for equality.

Nobody is asking you to join the fight, and why should you? It doesn't affect you, not yet at least. You said you wouldn't care if your children were gay. That's great to hear. How would you feel if your children were being mistreated or abused because of something so insignifigant. Think about it for a moment. It may not affect you directly but it may affect the lives of those you care about.

[Aladdin]

Nobody is asking you to join the fight, and why should you? It doesn't affect you, not yet at least. You said you wouldn't care if your children were gay. That's great to hear. How would you feel if your children were being mistreated or abused because of something so insignifigant. Think about it for a moment. It may not affect you directly but it may affect the lives of those you care about.

If it would ever happen I would be the first one signing the petition.

But right now, I coudlnt care less, I know gay people I'm not close to any. At least what I know.

[Samhain]

this thread doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

someone who doesn't care about gay issues, but cares enough about not caring to start a thread about not caring in a gay community.

does anyone else find that a bit odd?
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[Night_Owl49]

liberals and conservatives. on the tv, papers,Yeah, what about 'em? They're not forcing you to watch or read, and they're definitely not 'forcing' you to have a stance.

Come on...

[sun_heart_girl]

Isn't that a bit like saying "I don't care if they lock blonde people up because I don't know any blonde people, but on the other hand I wouldn't mind if my kids dyed their hair blonde?" I don't mean you have to have an opinion one way or the other necessarily, I'm just kinda confused about the way you say it. It doesn't make sense to me.

[ShadowShifta]

this thread doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

someone who doesn't care about gay issues, but cares enough about not caring to start a thread about not caring in a gay community.

does anyone else find that a bit odd?
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[ryomadayo]

when one of us is treated unfairly, it's an insult to ALL of us. my sexuality has never affected my life, positively or negatively, i blend in. but seeing my friends denied their rights, denied their dignity, denied respect over something so assinine as you don't like who they sleep with, that's injustice. i'm no more okay with that than i am with people being treated unfairly for the color of their skin. in a perfect world, none of this would matter, but it's not a perfect world, and there ARE issues to care about and deal with from every perspective, lifestyle and philosophy.

and for you to put blinders on for the simple fact that you find it a nuisance is not only naive in the extreme, but flagrant laziness.

Couldn't agree more. No one is telling you to have a stance, but when you go out of your way to say this in a gay forum, aren't you kinda trying to force your opinions on us? I think you're worthy of the label "hypocrite."

[DigitalLiquid]

Why do people care about gay issues?

Hopefully people care about gay issues-(gay rights)-as these issues encompass just a fraction of what HUMAN issues/rights concern altogether.

I can't really see the point of the 'question' beyond that...............

[what2do]

I actually like most gay people. I find them just like any other normal straight person. I have nothing against gays what so ever.

[yarapario]

Please don't find me like any other normal straight person...normal is creepy enough, whatever normal means, but, straight, spare me sweet jesus, I hope not.

[Samhain]

yeah I think that was a bad choice of words from 'what2do' but I think it was ment well
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[yarapario]

Yeah, Sam, You're right, I think it was offered with good intent. For that I thank you 'what2do'. Lately I've been taking personal inventory and realize (again) how different we gay folks are from our straight friends. What a really nice balance we make in the overall scheme of humanity. Having lived this long as a gay man, I am anxious to give back to other folks some of the peace I have found. My kids have given me a great vote of confidence too, they assure me that had I been straight, I still would never have made it to normal...thats was nice of them to recognize that...

[*Andy*]

Another moronic thread by the homophobic jerkoff Aladdin.

*Edit*

Holy...The guy actually got banned? Was it because I kicked up such a fuss or was it mere coincidence?

[Samhain]

Yeah, Sam, You're right, I think it was offered with good intent. For that I thank you 'what2do'. Lately I've been taking personal inventory and realize (again) how different we gay folks are from our straight friends. What a really nice balance we make in the overall scheme of humanity. Having lived this long as a gay man, I am anxious to give back to other folks some of the peace I have found. My kids have given me a great vote of confidence too, they assure me that had I been straight, I still would never have made it to normal...thats was nice of them to recognize that...
I'm not normal ethier in any way, it doesn't really matter what my sexuality is.
normals boring any way
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[mamaKCita]

I'M normal.

[Samhain]

I'M normal.
titter

[DigitalLiquid]

Seeing as how I am Aquarius-It is against my nature to be normal. hehe j/k
(R<<<'slight' hehe tendency to go against the grain)
Yet-in the sense that I too-have bills to pay-must do laundry-and get hungry-yes--
I am normal....whatever that means....
*sigh*

Peace.
xxx

[scratcho]

No one could have put it better than Mama K has.I care because I don't like to see my fellow humans denied some of the rights that we straights take for granted and be treated like freaks, for any reason.I lived In SF in 1960 and across the street from where I lived was a lesbian bar.It took a few times going in for the patrons to feel comfortable with me being there,but eventually I became friends with some of the folks.One Saturday night ,the cops swooped in and actually arrested all the women that had suits and ties on!!Why?Fuck if I know --but I was told it happened frequently.Yeah--I care when weird --thinking straight fuckers harass people for merely expressing themselves.And that goes for anyone else who's "differant"from the so-called norm.

[mamaKCita]

you know, my dad, he's about as straight as a person can get. decorated war veteran, social as hell, alpha dog who doesn't give a shit about what people think of him or his friends. he loves people completely. he put together a big hash run and party at this place called the rainbow bar. he had no idea what that meant, but he made so many friends that day. he met my piano teacher at the Y and he lived down the street with his partner. before him, i never met anyone who was so totally and completely capable of knowing how to just accept people as they are and treat all of them the same. i mean, truly the same. even i check my words out of fear of hurting. dal was just dal. and people just knew it. good man, my dad. probably part of the reason i never had any issues about my sexuality, except keeping him from getting my playboys and hustlers before he did.

[bige1030]

I care because it shouldn't matter whether or not people are gay/bi/straight/trans/questioning/etc. Everyone should be free to participate in society and partake of all of its benefits regardless of all of that. Unfortunately, that isn't happening. One big thing is marriage...only straight people can fully and completely marry the type of people they're sexually attracted to here in the "free" USA. (What I mean by "fully and completely": In Massachusetts, even though gay marriage is legal, the federal government doesn't recognize those gay marriages. So there is no full and complete gay marriage here in the USA.)

Until others will just live and let live, I will definitely care about gay issues!

[whatshappenin23]

whats with this giving black rights and stuff?? why should I have to take a stance??
Im an apathetic human being and people should accept that. I don't care if all black men are lynched anymore than I care about affirmative action...

....dude....you gotta be kidding me. what kind of a stupid question is this? If you don't care one way or the other, fine. It makes you look like a sick person with no compassion for other human beings. But aside from that, who are you to force your opinion on others that they should not force their opinions on you?? You kind of got yourself in a little paradox here.

[Newdbare]

I love pictures of naked men with hard-ons, having oral sex and parading nude in the public as it is a big turn on to me. I have downloaded over six thousand images I have put on disks of naked men. I believe pornogophy is good for you; it releases tension. But I do not believe porno leads to sex crimes. That is just plain bullcr-ap.

[whatshappenin23]

I love pictures of naked men with hard-ons, having oral sex and parading nude in the public as it is a big turn on to me. I have downloaded over six thousand images I have put on disks of naked men. I believe pornogophy is good for you; it releases tension. But I do not believe porno leads to sex crimes. That is just plain bullcr-ap.It may not lead to sex crimes (altough statistics say different) but it definitely does lead to you becoming a pervert who can get his mind around anything else but porno, otherwise why would you be posting this when no one is talking about that kind of crap??? You might want to give it a rest old man

[Newdbare]

If gays would be jailed for being gay I wouldnt care either.What a terrible thing to say. If I said if "heterosexuals were jailed for being straight" I would get tons of negative posts.

Gays are just as good as anyone else. Just because some one is born gay makes them no different than anyone else. There is good and bad in all people. Sexual gender does not make some one good or bad, its what's inside of a person.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

[Rockhiker]

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I t may not lead to sex crimes (altough statistics say different) but it definitely does lead to you becoming a pervert who can get his mind around anything else but porno, otherwise why would you be posting this when no one is talking about that kind of crap??? You might want to give it a rest old man
Think you are big enough and macho enough to make me, sissy boy?

Why you aren't even green behind the ears. What are you doing on a gay forum anyway? I'll just bet you are one of those buy bull thumpers who believes there is a giant invisible fairy in the sky that watches over you.

And I have a right to post here same as anybody else. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass right up in the red. But then you might even like it.

[whatshappenin23]

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Think you are big enough and macho enough to make me, sissy boy?

Why you aren't even green behind the ears. What are you doing on a gay forum anyway? I'll just bet you are one of those buy bull thumpers who believes there is a giant invisible fairy in the sky that watches over you.

And I have a right to post here same as anybody else. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass right up in the red. But then you might even like it.
Im sorry sir, I generally have respect for my elders, and I didn't mean to get personal. So sorry...Im on a gay forum because I have been questioning my sexuality, and it has been a very difficult time in my life. I dont know what a buy bull thumper is, and I don't believe in a fairy that watches over me, frankly Im not sure what you're getting at...Id rather not kiss your ass, but I hope you can forgive me. I happen to believe that porn is destructive to intimate relationships, and gives people warped ideas about sex that trickles into their real lives which in my opinion is not healthy. I also think that makers and distrubutors of porn are slimeballs who prey on peoples weaknesses just to make a buck. They don't care how many lives the ruin in the process, so i don't like to support it. But on second thought, maybe thats just how it is for me, and if it works for you who am I to be the judge of that. No hard feelings

[Newdbare]

I have never ever heard any gay man say porn was bad. In fact most "straights" consider all gay sex porn. All porn is, is sex. If a man sucks another man's cock and some one takes a photo of them sucking and places that photo for others to see that is called porn. If a man is naked with or without an erection and some one takes their picture and places it where others can see it that is called porn.
A lot of gay men get turned on to looking at pictures of other men naked and in so cases that is their only outlit to sex or in some cases their only source of sexual release from pent up feelings.

The only persons against porn are Christians and Jews. Fundy Christians are called buy bull (as in buying the bullsh-t bible) thumpers (as in thumping on the bible when preaching) and who believe homosexuality is a choice and a sex so bad that it is alright to go out and kill gay people as a sure sign you will get into heaven.

Anyone that is down on porn is considered either a Christian, a Muslim or Jew (but most Jews are no longer against gays.)

And to say peddlers of porn are slimballs and people like me are perverts is exactly the talk of Christians, which makes me doubt your sincerity that you might be gay and that instead you are a troll to come on to a gay forum to start trouble.

You might be hard pressed to get along well in a gay community with your narrow minded thinking, because when I lived in Portland, Oregon for a number of years anyone that was down on gay porn or called anyone a pervert was oust by the rest of the community and everyone had their suspicious on such persons. I was a member of the Pink Panthers and the Gay Liberation Front and anyone in those days that claimed they hated gay porn, the peddlers of it and called gay people perverts were labeled gay bashers and were delt with harshly by the Pink Panthers and GLF might start chanting to you. And word would travel across the community to beware of your presents.

You would not have survived Stonewall and would in fact have been labeled the enemy.

And in growing up in the west on a ranch I would have been whipped with a horse whip for talking back at my elders for calling them the names you called me.

And were I your age and you called me a pervert I might whip your ass myself as I was quite a fighter in my day and never afraid to fight either as I grew up tough fending for myself leaving home at sixteen riding freight trains and hoboing around the country living by my wits and taking no shit from anyone. I married at 21 to a lesbian friend and we were married for twenty five years battling "straights" when ever we went, never taking insults or name calling.

So you better be careful who you call names or who you put down as you might be labeled a troll and a spy from the "straight" community pretending to be gay.

[whatshappenin23]

I have never ever heard any gay man say porn was bad. In fact most "straights" consider all gay sex porn. All porn is, is sex. If a man sucks another man's cock and some one takes a photo of them sucking and places that photo for others to see that is called porn. If a man is naked with or without an erection and some one takes their picture and places it where others can see it that is called porn.
A lot of gay men get turned on to looking at pictures of other men naked and in so cases that is their only outlit to sex or in some cases their only source of sexual release from pent up feelings.

The only persons against porn are Christians and Jews. Fundy Christians are called buy bull (as in buying the bullsh-t bible) thumpers (as in thumping on the bible when preaching) and who believe homosexuality is a choice and a sex so bad that it is alright to go out and kill gay people as a sure sign you will get into heaven.

Anyone that is down on porn is considered either a Christian, a Muslim or Jew (but most Jews are no longer against gays.)

And to say peddlers of porn are slimballs and people like me are perverts is exactly the talk of Christians, which makes me doubt your sincerity that you might be gay and that instead you are a troll to come on to a gay forum to start trouble.

You might be hard pressed to get along well in a gay community with your narrow minded thinking, because when I lived in Portland, Oregon for a number of years anyone that was down on gay porn or called anyone a pervert was oust by the rest of the community and everyone had their suspicious on such persons. I was a member of the Pink Panthers and the Gay Liberation Front and anyone in those days that claimed they hated gay porn, the peddlers of it and called gay people perverts were labeled gay bashers and were delt with harshly by the Pink Panthers and GLF might start chanting to you. And word would travel across the community to beware of your presents.

You would not have survived Stonewall and would in fact have been labeled the enemy.

And in growing up in the west on a ranch I would have been whipped with a horse whip for talking back at my elders for calling them the names you called me.

And were I your age and you called me a pervert I might whip your ass myself as I was quite a fighter in my day and never afraid to fight either as I grew up tough fending for myself leaving home at sixteen riding freight trains and hoboing around the country living by my wits and taking no shit from anyone. I married at 21 to a lesbian friend and we were married for twenty five years battling "straights" when ever we went, never taking insults or name calling.

So you better be careful who you call names or who you put down as you might be labeled a troll and a spy from the "straight" community pretending to be gay.
Whatever dude...I apologized. By the way, I am straight. I also am a Christian. Do you have a problem with that?? If you want to talk about acceptance, it can't be one sided or its fake. I didn't say that only gay porn was bad, I said that porn was bad, and Im speaking from experience...If it works for you fine, but for some people it is extremely corruptive to their life. For a long time I objectified women in sick ways because of porn and always felt guilty of it. The images never left my mind. My life is much better now that I have put the crap away.

If the gay community in Portland,OR wouldn't accept me because I think porn is bad, and because I think its perverted to bring up raunchy things out of the blue, when no one is talking about crap like that??( I mean, you realize, we had a discussion going, and you said some off the wall stuff.) Then I really wouldn't give a rats ass...I accept people, and don't need everyone to accept me.

Really, gay/straight has nothing to do with this...Im talking about porn. You think that porn distributors are good people with great intentions?? They are greedy and sleezy and that is plain to see. I don't think that because Im a christian I think that because I have a developed sense of morality and well, Im not stupid.

I should take back my apology...You've said some of the most disturbing things Ive seen on this site to me via private message and on your last posts. I wouldn't dare kick a 75 year old mans ass, but I hope it makes you feel all tough talking shit to someone you don't know over a computer screen.

I wish the best to you old man, but you need an attitude change...Like dude, if you took such great offense to what I said to you, how can you not understand someone who would be disturbed by your original comments??

[Drew_445]

If nobody in the world cared--

They don't care if your gay.
They don't care if your black.
They don't care if your redheaded.

They don't care if they kill you.
They don't care if they steal from you.
They wouldn't care to love you.

Imagine the endless implications.
Get my point?

EDIT: Deleted my rant/ramble!

[mamaKCita]

nice. it's all a balance, isn't it? good and bad, yin and yang in everything.