Alcohol vs Ritalin

[Silverbackman]

I'm is trying to figure out which widley available drug lowers social inhibitions better, has a better euphoria, and more mind expanding. Ritalin is extremly stimulating and I hear that it is far less damaging than cocaine or the amphetamines. In fact I have read that it has the effects of cocaine but only about the same risks as soft stimulants like caffeine and MDMA.

I love ritalin........it is far better than rum.......even though I love rum.

Which substance is better for

1. Euphoria

2. Increased Loss of Inhibitions resulting in super social powers!

3. Which of the two is safer?

4. Which is more mind expanding?
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[jo_k_er_man]

neither are mind expanding.... alcohol overall is just a stupid pointless drug... buuut i think it does increase social interaction more than any other drug out there.. even more than pot.. usually if im high im either not talking to anyone or talking to everyone.. alcohol.. i become a social butterfly

[RELAYER]

buuut i think it does increase social interaction more than any other drug out there.. even more than pot..
I might have to bring up an argument here, that a straight dose of opiates that doesnt overwhelm might bring out empathy and social interaction more so than any drug out there, maybe even more so than E

[mara-aum]

Which substance is better for

1. Euphoria

2. Increased Loss of Inhibitions resulting in super social powers!

3. Which of the two is safer?

4. Which is more mind expanding?
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neither!!!!! especially NOT for mind expanding. if you want to use drugs for mind expansion smoke weed or trip out on lsd or dmt or something like that.

ritalin did nothing for me besides help me tolerate a boring & unfullfilling job. my doctor said "we are altering your brain to suit your life" i thought...hmmm....why not alter my life to suit my brain? i quit the boring job, became an artist & smoked a shit load of weed, did shrooms & now lsd. WAY more fun, fullfilling and no physical side effects besides wonderful ones.

ritalin & alcohol are poison.

when i decided to quit the ritalin this guy at school offered to buy the rest of it off me. he took it and puked blood. be careful with that shit...i use the word shit literally here.

[PsyGrunge]

ritalin & alcohol are poison.
The most thoughtful words I've read so far.
This thread is nasty!!! It stinks of inexperience and serious potential harm. Have you ever researched Ritalin, Silverbackman?
It's a stimulant, not a tryptamine. It doesn't expand the mind - it speeds it up. Are you aware of previous deaths related to recreational use of ''Kiddie E''?
If you want to break down the barriers and lose inhibitions, Ritalin will only make you feel like a grain of sand on a beach during the comedown.
Methylphenidate is physically addictive when it's being used as a buzz drug rather than treatment, and large quantities have horrible side effects. Purely psychosis inducing if you're buzzing on these man. It'll get you sooner or later.
MDMA is what you're looking for. Have you done any research? From what I've read in your post, MDMA looks like it fits your criteria. It has a psychedelic factor which can produce the user with a mind opening feeling, going through chemical 'trips' (*rolls*) at the same time as feeling on top of the moon; and there's your stimulant effect too which quite frankly PISSES all over anything Ritalin can do for you.
Super Social powers? Sounds like you need councelling mate, and a better understanding of the substances you're talking about coz you're barking up the complete wrong tree.

Alcohol gets you pissed and lets you have a laugh, maybe even feeling more socially confident.. but it's a dead end substance in all fairness.

You need telepathic non-linguistic communication with a mushroom for the expanding mind.

[branflakes]

For all of you who think alcohol is a "stupid person's" drug, I think you should read this..

Drinking Alone (http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/03_03/03-03_zen_drinking_alone.htm)

[Four Winds]

Alcohol trumps Ritalin in the social aspect of it. There arent many things that make me open up as much as when I'm tanked (with the exception of E and a few others).

I vote for alcohol.

Ritalin (Methylphenidate) is just an overall shit drug. I've only tried it twice, but both times have sucked ass. Yeah, its cool for a while, and I feel nice, but the comedown TOTALLY negatives any positive aspects of the drug. The come-down on ritalin is complete shit, I am totally anti-social, strung-out, muscles tense up, cant get comfortable, jaw clenching etc etc... I totally agree with PsyGrunge that anyone looking for a stimulant/social/pyschedelic drug should stop fucking with all these OTC or prescription medications and just pick up some fuckin MDMA. You will thank us later.

On the other hand, alcohol has a shitty come down too I suppose (the hangover), but I only drink at night, so I'm crashed on the couch before I really start getting hung over. And at least sleep comes easy on alcohol, on Ritalin, its fucking impossible. The alcohol hangover is most often curable with aspirin and water (assuming you didnt drink TOO much), the comedown off Ritalin makes me depressed and hate life.

Ritalin is shit. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. Fuck Ritalin.

[PsyGrunge]

Four Winds - obviously you know what the Ritalin comedown is like. It's total hell, aye! Maybe you went down the foolish experimental recreational road I went down a few years ago.. would you agree that it is definitely psychosis inducing??
Also, the most I got off on was about 56 (taken in sets of 12) throughout the day. I swear I went through the symptoms of ADHD for knocking on a week. It was like going through the stages of a pre-fix for death, mate.

[Silverbackman]

Coke is better than Ritilan.

And yea, I thiz and smoke some of the finest herbs in the world everyday. Great Combination!

[PsyGrunge]

Coke is a heart attack waiting to happen.
Finest herbs in the WORLD?!
I highly doubt it!!

[Silverbackman]

Coke is a heart attack waiting to happen.
Finest herbs in the WORLD?!
I highly doubt it!!Have you had Pineapple weed with white widow smoked along with a fatty of opium in the blunt. Must go smoke now.

[framesh1ft]

1. alcohol (in the right atmosphere, setting for Ritalin doesn't matter much--some people find it fun alone).
2. alcohol (since when did Ritalin reduce inhibitions?)
3. Dose dependent. If driving, etc. then Ritalin is far safer.
4. Neither are mind expanding. Drunk people rely on their pre-existing programs, learn nothing new, and the experience is unclear. It can get people talking and in a better mood, so used judiciously in proper setting it may be slightly mind expanding...however nothing like a psychedelic. Ritalin, like other stimulants can facilitate certain kinds of brain activity. It is not like opening a window to a new world or cleansing the soul. Taking it once is highly unlikely to change your perspective, any mind expansion is from dilligent work and thinking over time; more often the case it shrinks your mind. To reiterate my answer for question 4: neither are mind expanding.

[crummyrummy]

whats better, bowling balls or javelins?

[in da snake]

I love ritalin for my adhd, but other than that it's usless imo. alcohol more or less turns you into an idiot, can be fun sometimes....

[PsyGrunge]

Have you had Pineapple weed with white widow smoked along with a fatty of opium in the blunt. Must go smoke now.I haven't tried pineapple weed, but have you tried New York Diesel, Rocqer Haze or the almighty Jack Herer's homegrown variety?
I've had white widow, of course.. It's a very common breed.
Opium ain't all it cracked up to be and very addictive so wouldn't be hammering that stuff if I was you - but yeah, Opium's in me list of things done. But I'm not comparing smoke here.
My point is that saying you've smoked the best weed ''in the world'' is not only foolish and ignorant; it's a straight up fucking lie.

[Silverbackman]

I haven't tried pineapple weed, but have you tried New York Diesel, Rocqer Haze or the almighty Jack Herer's homegrown variety?
I've had white widow, of course.. It's a very common breed.
Opium ain't all it cracked up to be and very addictive so wouldn't be hammering that stuff if I was you - but yeah, Opium's in me list of things done. But I'm not comparing smoke here.
My point is that saying you've smoked the best weed ''in the world'' is not only foolish and ignorant; it's a straight up fucking lie.It's not a lie, depending how you look it. Living in Northern California.......I'm going to be getting the finest herb in the world. If you live in Holland, British Columbia, or Northern California your going to have some the finest herb all the time no matter what. Though getting schwag weed isn't unheard for inexperianced mothafuckas. Tried all the onest you stated but only really like Jack Herer.

Opium is okay in moderation of course. If you mix it good with the weed then it tastes awesome as well. And while opium does have good potential for addiction......it is no where near that of nicotine.......which I don't like (nicotine that is).

[Bella Désordre]

bowling balls...and alcohol, together.whats better, bowling balls or javelins?

[PsyGrunge]

It's not a lie, depending how you look it. Living in Northern California.......I'm going to be getting the finest herb in the world. If you live in Holland, British Columbia, or Northern California your going to have some the finest herb all the time no matter what. Though getting schwag weed isn't unheard for inexperianced mothafuckas. Tried all the onest you stated but only really like Jack Herer.

Opium is okay in moderation of course. If you mix it good with the weed then it tastes awesome as well. And while opium does have good potential for addiction......it is no where near that of nicotine.......which I don't like (nicotine that is).I still reckon that saying the dope you smoke is THE (not 'some of the') best in the World is slightly over-exaggerated.
But I agree with most of that post.

[Silverbackman]

I still reckon that saying the dope you smoke is THE (not 'some of the') best in the World is slightly over-exaggerated.
But I agree with most of that post.Hey dude don't call weed dope........we has little to no effect on dopamine. Just wanted to point that out ;). Call it a cannaboid, and call psychedelics a serotoninoid.

BTW, AMT doesn't seem cause nearly as much impairment as other psychedelics.......my text is very readable and creative!

[PsyGrunge]

I'd call psychedelics 'tryptamines', and dope is a common street name for weed.
Pot, Weed, Smoke, Dope, Ganj, Herb, Green, Leaf, Reef, Spliff - all used as street names for cannabis.
I am perfectly aware that it is a cannabinoid!! :)

[MeatWagon499]

Dope is a common street name for Crystal Meth where i live... (dopamine receptors)
pot=bud, weed, herbs, trees

[Sensei]

1. here, i don't know so much.
for euphoria do crack
2. Pry alcohol
for this do mdma

3. Neither is real safe, but all things in moderation.
weed to be safe

4. neither is what I would call mind-expanding, but alcohol takes the cake again
do shrooms

[PsyGrunge]

What in the name of Muhammed Ali's trophy cabinet does that mean?!
NONE of it made sense!!!!
I advise you to learn proper English and come back when you can speak it - especially in a drugs forum when people are likely to be high anyway.
Come on, mate.

[Panzer]

I don't much like either, alcohol is marginaly better.

[goofydrummer]

This is IMPOSSIBLE to decide. When Im on riddlin, I say Oh man, this is much better than drinking. When I drink I have the time of my life and say fuck riddlin. Drinking always leads to those GREAT nights, a fuckin epic time that you always look back to and say to your friends "Oh man, remember that time when we.....". Riddlin just makes you feel so euphoric, but the comedown is unbearable (worse than coke from my personal experience). I always sit there and listen to phish and sing along and hum along to the solos that I know every note to (Ill bet somma yall can relate). I like to play guitar on stimulants, and on riddlin im a fuckin machine. The only think I really remember about riddlin is the comedown though. It was only greeeat the first few times. Speeds fucked up though, so Im the longrun alcohol is a much better choice.

[pushit]

1. Euphoria ritalin if I have alot, alcohol if Im not too drunk

2. Increased Loss of Inhibitions resulting in super social powers! alcohol

3. Which of the two is safer? ritalin I think

4. Which is more mind expanding? neither

[maddhatter]

ritalin gives you a slight bit of euphoria but it's comparable to caffeine imo. alchohol is better for socializing. ritalins a lot safer than alcohol and neither are mind expanding.

personally i see know way to compare these two things. one you would take at a party, and the other you would most likely take at school.

[pushit]

I party with ritalin every day... when my friend lived with me it was free for all, we would just get another pill and another capsule and another and another, then my mom caught me and doles it out daily.... if you have enough for a day or two it is way better then alcohol imo.

[Geneity]

I greatly prefer alcohol, but I prefer downers to uppers in really any situation. Ritalin is fun but makes me anxious and quiet because of it. Has the opposite effect of socialness for me.

I prefer alcohol. Though both of them together is highly preferable to either one. But I have amphetamine now. It's better.

[sunyatasamsara]

i dont know about ritalin but i do know adderall and alcohol which dont do much by themselves. im a total introvert and they help slightly but when i combine them i turn into a total extrovert who cant shut up. i really do turn into a different person when im on uppers and alcohol, so yeah i get social super powers when on both.

[yyyesiam2]

ummmm......drugs won't make you better in any way. at best they give you a glimpse of something outside of your sober personality. in the long run, they end up doing permanent damage to your sober self. how r you going to be super social when you build a tolerance or run out of drugs? anyways, i'm not sober right now, so this isn't meant as an attack. this is just something i've personally experienced.

[PsyGrunge]

...and beieve me when I say no truer words have been spoken.

[laRueda<3aCïd]

why ritalin wtf? screw that ADD drug, achohol is better for social events even tho its not too good for the body. Makes you fat over time and hangovers arent cool.

[pushit]

why ritalin wtf? screw that ADD drug, achohol is better for social events even tho its not too good for the body. Makes you fat over time and hangovers arent cool.
Have you ever actually done ritalin? I had a nice few months with it myself.

[PsyGrunge]

Don't try and advocate it. It's poison. Controlling parts of your nervous system?.. I don't think so. We're all free to roam our souls but Ritalin takes all sense of inner exploration away and leaves you in a scrambled mess with shit for brains.

[Geneity]

^ and other drugs don't?

Stimulants are generally more neurotoxic. But so is PCP. And other stuff like other dissociatves.

[pushit]

Its not like ritalin is too much worse then caffeine or cocaine.

[Geneity]

It's waaaaaaay more neurotoxic than caffeine. As is amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA, and MDA. Not sure about coke though =|

[PsyGrunge]

No doubt some rip off merchants have bashed cocaine down with ritalin in the past.
They put all sorts in it round here. Luckily I don't indulge.
Pushit - can't believe you placed Ritalin and Caffeine on a similar level!
Have you even tried caffeine?

[pushit]

Pushit - can't believe you placed Ritalin and Caffeine on a similar level!
Have you even tried caffeine?
Yeah, they are both stimulants. Thats why I mentioned it.

[PsyGrunge]

They may both be in the stimulant class, but like fuck are they similar substances and more fool you for thinking as such. They have completely different chemical structures and do completely different things to the mind. Just because the label 'stimulant' implies that they both increase the rate at which the BODY works, it DOES NOT suggest that the chemical properties of caffeine and ritalin are similar in the mind.

[pushit]

They may both be in the stimulant class, but like fuck are they similar substances and more fool you for thinking as such. They have completely different chemical structures and do completely different things to the mind. Just because the label 'stimulant' implies that they both increase the rate at which the BODY works, it DOES NOT suggest that the chemical properties of caffeine and ritalin are similar in the mind.
Man, since when was this a conversation about the mind? I'm just saying I like ritalin and you don't have to freak out cuz I want to snort it.

[Geneity]

I don't think anyone was saying caffeine and methylphenidate were the same.

metrhylphenidate is a horrible, horrible drug. IMO of course

Caffeine....well I <3 caffeine

[pushit]

I don't think anyone was saying caffeine and methylphenidate were the same.

metrhylphenidate is a horrible, horrible drug. IMO of course

Caffeine....well I <3 caffeine
I don't see why everyone has such a bad time with ritalin... I loved every part but the addiction lol.

[PsyGrunge]

Snorting Ritalin?! Lmao, now I've heard it all.
And I'm not 'freaking out' mate.
I just think that it was very poor of you to compare caffeine with ritalin and stick the notion out there that they are similar drugs on the basis of the fact that they are both stimulant drugs..

..when in ACTUAL fact, they are completely different drugs that do different things, even just to the body.

[Geneity]

I loved every part of d-amphetamine. I loved how it made me paranoid, how it made me totally crazy, and of course the positive parts.

It's strange how you can grow to love all the terrible things about an addictive substance.

[SunLion]

Methylphenidate is physically addictive when it's being used as a buzz drug rather than treatment, and large quantities have horrible side effects. Purely psychosis inducing if you're buzzing on these man. It'll get you sooner or later.

I'll fess up here and now, because if it wasn't for this site and some of the good people I met here (in chat, specifically), I wouldn't have gone into recovery, and for all I know, might not have survived it. It's important that there be a safe place to speak honestly about this stuff, so out goes my neck.

I used methylphenidate for years, on an occasional basis, before it reached the point of actual addiction. It was so gradual (more than five years of problem-free only-occasional usage) that I didn't know I was in trouble until I was in deep.

It wasn't all bad, but it almost makes me nauseous to think/type about it. Oh the good times. Leaving for work after a second night of zero sleep, feeling broken. Hiding stuff from family. Lying awake, trying to sleep, listening to the BLAM BLAM BLAM of my heart, sweating, shaking, knowing the awful feeling would go away with another pill, chop chop chop snort snort ahhhhhhhh. The loud audio hallucinations that I knew were not real, but which I couldn't tune out either... and the time, after about three days of no sleep, when a beautiful rainbow-colored giant spider appeared next to me, and for a moment I really thought it was real.

When I tried to get free of it, I slipped again, several times. But finally
I could get through the day. Then the dreams started, where I'd suddenly have a big stash and all was well, like the shit was even chasing me in my sleep. It was a real struggle, but now I can safely say that there's no chance I'll ever use speed again.

Addiction can be an extremely gradual process, and can sneak up on you when you least expect it, even after years of controlled and problem-free usage. I warn people away from both substances, though I do occasionally (maybe twice a year) drink alcohol. I still see lsd as nearly-harmless, along with marijuana. But those are about the only two drugs "safe enough" to use on occasion, for me at least.

[pushit]

Methylphenidate is physically addictive when it's being used as a buzz drug rather than treatment, and large quantities have horrible side effects. Purely psychosis inducing if you're buzzing on these man. It'll get you sooner or later.

I'll fess up here and now, because if it wasn't for this site and some of the good people I met here (in chat, specifically), I wouldn't have gone into recovery, and for all I know, might not have survived it. It's important that there be a safe place to speak honestly about this stuff, so out goes my neck.

I used methylphenidate for years, on an occasional basis, before it reached the point of actual addiction. It was so gradual (more than five years of problem-free only-occasional usage) that I didn't know I was in trouble until I was in deep.

It wasn't all bad, but it almost makes me nauseous to think/type about it. Oh the good times. Leaving for work after a second night of zero sleep, feeling broken. Hiding stuff from family. Lying awake, trying to sleep, listening to the BLAM BLAM BLAM of my heart, sweating, shaking, knowing the awful feeling would go away with another pill, chop chop chop snort snort ahhhhhhhh. The loud audio hallucinations that I knew were not real, but which I couldn't tune out either... and the time, after about three days of no sleep, when a beautiful rainbow-colored giant spider appeared next to me, and for a moment I really thought it was real.

When I tried to get free of it, I slipped again, several times. But finally
I could get through the day. Then the dreams started, where I'd suddenly have a big stash and all was well, like the shit was even chasing me in my sleep. It was a real struggle, but now I can safely say that there's no chance I'll ever use speed again.

Addiction can be an extremely gradual process, and can sneak up on you when you least expect it, even after years of controlled and problem-free usage. I warn people away from both substances, though I do occasionally (maybe twice a year) drink alcohol. I still see lsd as nearly-harmless, along with marijuana. But those are about the only two drugs "safe enough" to use on occasion, for me at least.
Ha, sound JUST like me. The only difference is that I only stayed up for 3 days once and usually only stayed up a day at a time.

[PsyGrunge]

Thanks for your post SunLion;
I hope it helps to persuade the mindless fools that are indulging and think it's fun (to the extent that they're actually DEFENDING and promoting it as a recreational buzz drug) to get in to touch and sort themselves out.
Actual amphetamine sulphate is better than the effects of any prescribed medicine to control ADHD; both the buzz and the comedown (much more bearable); but it's a class of drug that should be left alone altogether.
You can carry on defending and promoting and thinking this susbstance is gold, but believe me when I tell you that one day you will face your demons.
..and it won't be pretty (of course - I speak from experience; or else I wouldn't fucking speak at all).
But hell, to those in favour of this life wrecking shit, keep using with this ignorant approach and find out the hard way what it's like to feel what seems like eternal nothingness;
then come back to this thread and read with an OPEN mind.

[Geneity]

It's true. I noticed how amphetamine was literally eating away at my mental processes. It's definitely more harmful than beneficial in the ADD manner. I can't believe they prescribe that shit to kids who have no idea what it's doing to their brain. I can function much more efficiently without it. I found out the hard way that it makes you THINK you're better at everything, but in reality you're actually worse because it's just so taxing.

It was fun though. But I'm glad I don't have access to it anymore. For the sake of my mental sanity.

[pushit]

Thanks for your post SunLion;
I hope it helps to persuade the mindless fools that are indulging and think it's fun (to the extent that they're actually DEFENDING and promoting it as a recreational buzz drug) to get in to touch and sort themselves out.
If your meaning me when you say "DEFENDING" then fuck off.... I have a personal choice as to what I would like to do. Just because it is a bad drug doesn't mean you have to be a dick because I like it.

[PsyGrunge]

Its not like ritalin is too much worse then caffeine or cocaine.

Well if that's not a misleading comment, I don't know what is.
Some of your posts look like you're completely defending Ritalin in some respects, and the things you say are not exactly promoting it, but you're giving the notion that it's an alright drug to fuck with. It's not. Just because YOU may be in denial or in the early stages of addiction (or whatever reason you've got for loving it, maybe a lack of a social life and functioning mind/stable personality WITHOUT this substance) and can't see past the positive euphoria side of it, doesn't mean it won't catch you up.
It's just a matter of time and people like you don't wake up to that fact until you've had a few sessions too many and by then, of course, it's too late.
I'm not going to tell you to fuck off. Or try and directly offend YOU.
But at the same time, I am not going to fuck off anywhere mate.

Tell you what. Keep it in your diet for a stretch of a year, then get back to this thread with your viewpoint on the substance. We'll soon see opinions change... as I'm afraid talking to you about the reality of Ritalin at the moment is about as effective as talking to someone who's been blind since birth about sight.

Until then :cheers2:

[Geneity]

Damn . Here we go.

[PsyGrunge]

I'm just tryna advise people to steer clear. Not having a go at pushit for indulging. Not tryna tell him how to live his life. Just tryna make him more aware of the consequences.

Peace.

[pushit]

O.K. I realize from that quote I may have exaggerated. But all I have to say is this, although I haven't done it since February I would like to do it in a scaled down level from my days of line after line.

[PsyGrunge]

Apologies for going over the top myself.

I've voiced my opinion but at the end of the day I fully comprehend the fact that everyone is of different mind and physical state so I guess if it works for you, then you can prove me wrong.

Just don't be fooled into hammering the stuff like I did. I can safely say it's one of the few areas in my life I look at with shame and regret.

(When I was there though, I guess it must of been good otherwise I probably wouldn't of been in denial to the negative side of things - but my god did I know about it after).

I'm not recommending anything; but I ask you - have you considered amphetamine? It's not half as grizzly as Ritalin. Still an absolutely foul substance, but an altogether more user friendly one.

Peace.

[pushit]

Apologies for going over the top myself.

I've voiced my opinion but at the end of the day I fully comprehend the fact that everyone is of different mind and physical state so I guess if it works for you, then you can prove me wrong.

Just don't be fooled into hammering the stuff like I did. I can safely say it's one of the few areas in my life I look at with shame and regret.

(When I was there though, I guess it must of been good otherwise I probably wouldn't of been in denial to the negative side of things - but my god did I know about it after).

I'm not recommending anything; but I ask you - have you considered amphetamine? It's not half as grizzly as Ritalin. Still an absolutely foul substance, but an altogether more user friendly one.

Peace.
After what I went through with my addiction to ritalin I'm not so sure about other speeds, I mean... I stole my pills out of my moms purse and I don't think I could steal speed from a dealers house.

[PsyGrunge]

No you could fall into the ticker's trap instead.