BIG mistake.

[TheMagicalMushy]

I just accidently ordered a gram of 20x extract off the net. I didnt mean to get 20x, I wanted to see how much shipping was and it was in my basket. I accidently clicked the process order thing and it charged me 55 bucks for the gram and shipping from salvia supply. Ill be getting 7 grams of leaves too. What do you guys suggest? I feel like an asshole majorly. Im somewhat scared to try the 20x extract not having much expierence in tripping before. mainly all ive done is pot. Do you guys think if I keep upping myself on the leaves I wont insanely blow myself away? I cant find any trip reports online of 20x expierences, anyone have any to share? Please do not scold me for this it was seriously an accident but I dont want it go to waste so I need suggestions.

[SweeperOfDreams13]

Just take one hit?
Or take a real small hit.

Try to stay positive about it all though.
If you're feeling shitty about it, and you're worried and such, don't even bother going through with it. Remember, set and setting.

[HorrorBusiness04]

you could give it to me! JJ i dunno if you dont want it you could try to sell it to somone. id think youd be expierend with trippin, your name is magicalmushy after all

[TheMagicalMushy]

Needed a username. Couldnt think of anything. Sounded cool. The most vie ever tripped was off of ALOT of dxm. It was more of a drowsy stated trip though so I wasnt much with it and just went with the flow of what was happening.

[redgreenvines]

go to www.sagewisdom.org (http://www.sagewisdom.org/)

read the users guide

a gram of 20X is 40-80 strong 6 minute experiences.
each one from a puff held 20 seconds.
the 7 grams of plain leaf
(3 strong experiences each smoked =21 - harsh to smoke)
all to gether 7 grams of leaf makes 2 cups of tea which if you stirr a lot
will each give a nice mild experience both times.

how do you get an online purchase to trigger if you are 14?
most vendors don't respond unless you are over 18

[TheMagicalMushy]

Thanks,

Parents credit card. So im "18" to them.

[BuffaloSoldier]

Just smoke it out of a bong untill your head starts to feel tingly... then put the bong down and you will start to feel weird... and weirder... and weirder... then all of the sudden you're going through a porthole... then all of the sudden your 3 dimensions fold over into 2 and you are just paint on the wall... lol, salvia is fun. not a party drug though. do it a lone with a few people.

[TheMagicalMushy]

What is the extract actually like? The substance I mean. Is it a powdery substance? Or a hard solid? I dont have a scale I dont want to make myself tweak out so how do I measure it?

[redgreenvines]

so

you are 14
and you don't have a knowledgeable sitter.

personally I don't think that
this is going in the right direction

since the product stores well
why not keep it for a few years.

study everything including math science mythology english etc.

you will really appreciate it later, i don't think that it is the right thing for you to be doing right now.

[TheMagicalMushy]

so

you are 14
and you don't have a knowledgeable sitter.

personally I don't think that
this is going in the right direction

since the product stores well
why not keep it for a few years.

study everything including math science mythology english etc.

you will really appreciate it later, i don't think that it is the right thing for you to be doing right now.
How can you tell me what I dont and what I do have as in a sitter? I have been reading about it for awhile now and just wasnt planning on jumping into it like this. It should be here in 2-3 days. Im going to try to get the person I was planning on having as a sitter come over here one of those days.

[redgreenvines]

well

entertainment is one thing, education is another, and growth is yet another.

the salvia effect actually might impact on your brain's growth,
as before 18, the brain is still doing some unusual things that will not be repeated later.

you are in a special time of growth. this is worth having a lot of respect for.
it is difficult to consider, but puts you in an honoured and treasured position.

your early access to internet and psychoactive interests could become something very beneficial for yourself and for others.

what I am saying is not the same as a parent's warning. I do not know you at all, I do know salvia very well and I know growth, maturation of organs and I have seen bad decisions made by people of all ages.

You sound like someone who could be very wise as you mature. but you will have to get there and you will have to take some precautions to assure you make it.

[TheMagicalMushy]

I understand where youre coming from, the reason im doing it now, ordering it now, is because it will soon become illegal and I dont think it will be easily accessable after that. It would take awhile for people to be able to get it in from mexico to supply it to everywhere. Do you get what im saying? Its not going to be an easy thing to come by, I dont think anyway. I could be wrong. Im taking advantage of the chance.

Dont you think doing it now in the right mind set would be a food benefit to myself? As from what ive read it can completely change your outlook on life, id rather mature on that outlook than one I may have now.

[redgreenvines]

I think it woud be criminal to convince you to have a job and to leave school

some things are not exactly healthy for young people to have to do during formation.
The most valuable thing for you to do is to save the material you have ordered and to read everything you can to further your interests.

[Orsino2]

I did it a few time (20x)... It's not as bad as some say it is. It was sort of like a dream... it was freaky at first because a big pack of dogs were chasing me and the sky was all purple and hazy looking... and there were stars everywhere... that was like... the third time I did it. The first time was really weird and fuzzy.... hahaha... everything was all intertwined demensionally.

[Hikaru Zero]

TheMagicalMushy: I used 6x myself.

(1) Extract is basically in the form of ... well, it's kind of like weed when it's all broken up. Not really powder, not really dried leaf segments.

You can pull it out, and it's kind of like pulling out some thyme or oregano out of a container; it's almost like itty-bitty leaves. At least, that's what 6x was. I'd recommend always using some type of extract rather than the actual leaf; I hear that smoking the actual leaf requires you to smoke MUCH more to get an effect.

(2) If you are using 20x, just don't take too many hits off of it. I smoked 2 bowls (about 10 hits total) of 6x, and I was at stage 3. You probably shouldn't take more than 3 decent sized hits off of it (rock on, lucky you! =P), and maybe just two for your very first time. Eventually, you can expand to 4 or 5, and that ought to do it.

I heard that using 20x, every hit you take is equivalent to another letter on the S-A-L-V-I-A scale. Don't take more than 6! =P

[meandering1]

then all of the sudden you're going through a porthole... then all of the sudden your 3 dimensions fold over into 2 and you are just paint on the wall...

Holy crap, man... you've just summed up all 5 of my salvia excursions(i don't consider them trips) Only difference is that my pores feel like hyper-goosebump/skin discomfort... As well as no balance, I never did get the visual trippyness. Maybe that's Salvinorum-A processing my body through her drug.

[Orsino2]

TheMagicalMushy: I used 6x myself.

(1) Extract is basically in the form of ... well, it's kind of like weed when it's all broken up. Not really powder, not really dried leaf segments.

You can pull it out, and it's kind of like pulling out some thyme or oregano out of a container; it's almost like itty-bitty leaves. At least, that's what 6x was. I'd recommend always using some type of extract rather than the actual leaf; I hear that smoking the actual leaf requires you to smoke MUCH more to get an effect.

(2) If you are using 20x, just don't take too many hits off of it. I smoked 2 bowls (about 10 hits total) of 6x, and I was at stage 3. You probably shouldn't take more than 3 decent sized hits off of it (rock on, lucky you! =P), and maybe just two for your very first time. Eventually, you can expand to 4 or 5, and that ought to do it.

I heard that using 20x, every hit you take is equivalent to another letter on the S-A-L-V-I-A scale. Don't take more than 6! =PNo wonder it took 45 minutes... it felt like 5.... I took about 10....

[doubledtrapezoid]

magicalmushy, i would seriously not recommend doing the 20x salvia unless you are experienced with other psychadellics. i really dont think you will enjoy it yet... it is nothing like pot or dxm... well maybe like 1200mgs of pure dxm hitting you in 30 seconds...

but since youll probly do it anyway, start with very small amounts and smoke it through a bong... like a pile of this much ---> O

[loveflower]

what about a pile this big O


sorry to disrupt your post, i havent a clue what salvia or dxm is

[doubledtrapezoid]

no thats to big a pile for a first timer on 20x!

let us know how it goes magicalmushy...

[cexshun]

Well, salvia is NOT about to become illegal. People have been saying this for 3 years now, and still no movement by the DEA. Despite what people think, the DEA does do thorough testing on substances before scheduling it. The Synthetic Substances fans (2c-i) would have you believe otherwise though :).

So, running out to try salvia when you're not ready is what's going to get salvia banned. Look at it this way:
You start tripping really bad.
You stumble into the living room where your parents are sitting.
You mumble incoherantly and your parents freak not knowing what your on.
Parents call police and see the salvia order on their CC.
Police call DEA, DEA finds lots of kids are doing this get get a cheap, legal high.
DEA emergency schedules salvia while research is done instead of letting us learn from it while research is being done.

See. You think you're ready, but you're not. Hell, when I was 14, I thought I was mature enough to vote, drink, smoke, etc. Now that I'm 24, I realise I was just a stupid ass punk. If you're afraid of trying it, you are not ready. You will have a bad experience.

[sugarmaggie]

I have never viewed life the same after that first salvia trip. This is a drug to be respected, otherwise it'll kick you in the ass. I was convinced by the entity talking to me that my life had all been lies..and nothing was or had been what it appeared to be. I remember so desperately wanting to keep living..but utterly felt they were telling me the truth..such a helpless feeling. I went into my salvia trip not knowing what to expect..kinda like "here, try this shit" sorta thing. You are completely unaware of your surroundings...I was floating in free space. Be sure you have a responsible sitter. It's best to dim your lights..and have some nice music play..(pink floyd, comfortably numb is my preference, enigma and enya are also good). Most importantly, remember..this is no recreational drug. It is for meditation and spiritual learning and growth..I saw things that I'm convinced now are there..we just can't see them. Just relax, and have an environment with good vibes, you should be fine. Just enjoy the ride...it's one you'll not soon forget.

[cexshun]

Maggie, my first experience was very similar to yours. I was told everything in existance was a lie, and this was the true existance. I was freaking, desparately trying to reach the real world again. My sitter eventually had to pin me to the bed as I was trying to break down the front door of the house while trying to escape back to reality.

[sugarmaggie]

What Cexshun says is right..if you're scared and unready..you will have a bad experience..this is most likely inevitable.

Cexshun..I know that was no fun. I actually thought I saw my sitter repeating to me over and over again, just listen to them, listen to the voices, for they are what's real. I just knew at that point life was over. When I came back, I was hugged up on my living room chair crying like a baby. I had a really hard time going to sleep that night in fear of never waking up to what I thought was real existence. This was very very real to me, and it affected me in so many ways. I have talked to other people, and read experiences of others online, and it's just strange to me that they can be so similar. Almost makes you feel as if you know something other people don't huh. I would like to experiment with it more....see where it takes me.

[Hikaru Zero]

Salvia is an incredible plant. Yes, I said plant; not drug.

Psychoactive? Yes.
Plant? Yes.
Drug? Nope. Don't think so.

Drugs are use irresponsibly every day. They greatly affect society, one way or another.

Salvia is something very different.

I believe that in order to have an enjoyable salvia trip, you must be ready to die.

Of course you won't (unless you do it on the roof of a building without a sitter or something), but you must be ready to have every piece of your existance stripped away and never returned; salvia trips are that intense.

[TelimTor]

Salvia Dvinorum is a plant.

Salvinorum A is a drug.

[Hikaru Zero]

Salvia Dvinorum is a plant.

Salvinorum A is a drug.

That being said, oxygen is also a drug.

So is nitrogen.

And carbon dioxide.

Look up the definition of drug, and it will confirm this.

[yogi for peace]

To the original poster:

I'd suggest getting some 5x and keeping the 20x later to see if you want to go further into the experience OR you can send it to me. =)

I suggest meditation beforehand. And giving thanks for the opportunity for knowledge -- be open with your whole being.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

Quit Being A Pussy!! Smoke It!!! Smoke It All!!! You'll Love It It'll Be The Funnest Thing Ever! Funner Than Benedryl And Nutmeg combined!!

[Shroomp]

Mushy if i were you id just take a small hit, like 1/8th of a gram (since its 20x), smoke it in a comfy place (try ur bedroom) and have a good mate as a sitter, and you should be fine, good luck have fun dude

[Applespark]

I d smoke some less potent if you want to try it and then save it as someone else said to use later. dont abuse it. Save it till you know you are ready to experience it

[SouthBoundSoulShine]

ya if i was u i would try a tinyy tiny bit. then i would put it away for a long time and start readin up on it. i dont know much about it but i know from my freinds its alll in the mindset and u wont regret saving it u will only thank yourself later. i would also suggest start fuckin around with shrooms and other hallucinigions. i would try to get as many different trips as i could off as many different drugs as i could.

[BradinTheGreat]

I know you probably hate all these people telling you to hold on to it, but that's what I would've said myself. I personally think you were foolish for using your parents credit card to buy it. What's gonna happen when your parents get the cc bill? Good luck dude, you'll need it. I've never tripped on this stuff, but from what I hear it's really powerful. Just like other drugs you gotta be sure your in the right mind set or it can really fuck with your head.

[yemforbin]

notice how the majority of the people telling you to just "go ahead and do it" without any warning are fairly young. the older people are all cautioning you to wait. i think there's something to be said for this. you may think they're just getting all parenty, but maybe you should take some advice from them. i'm 19 and i know i'm still very young. i can't imagine how much i could have messed up my natural developpement if i'd done half the things i was curious about back then. wait a few years and then do all the experimenting you want. that being said, whatever you decide to do, make sure you know as much as you can about what it is you're doing. if you can't recite and follow the 4 rules of erowid without looking them up, you're not ready. :)

[BradinTheGreat]

How'd it go? What happend? I know this thread has been dead for a while, but I've been curious about how everything went.

Peace Bro