Codeine

[Bella Désordre]

Why won't doctor's perscribe opiates as a short-term anti-depressant? I was feeling hysterical earlier and now after 4 paramadols with codeine I feel calm-not numb but actually calm. An hour after I took them I was cleaning like a mad woman blasting techno. These are much better than xanax. Why from a psychiatric stanpoint won't they perscribe them when lack of opiate reception can be a cause for depression? It makes no sense.

[TopNotchStoner]

No pharmaceutical is better than xanax. Codeine never did a thing for me. I'm one of those codeine hardheads. ATM, I am feeling nice on some hydrocodone though.

[Four Winds]

Hmm, they must be high .mg codeine pills if they are stronger than Xanax.

Once I drove up to Canada and got a shitload of tylenol 3's, which had small amounts of codeine in the pills. I used the cold water acetaminophen extraction to remove the acetaminophen and I was left with a nice, POTENT, codeine drink :)

BTW, Alprazolam is NOT the best pharm out there though.

[TopNotchStoner]

Hmm, they must be high .mg codeine pills if they are stronger than Xanax.

Once I drove up to Canada and got a shitload of tylenol 3's, which had small amounts of codeine in the pills. I used the cold water acetaminophen extraction to remove the acetaminophen and I was left with a nice, POTENT, codeine drink :)

BTW, Alprazolam is NOT the best pharm out there though.
Alprazolam is MY favorite pharm out there, which is why I added the "IMO".

T3's never did anything for me, even when I popped 15 of them at once, nor did regular codeine pills.

Also, she didn't say they were stronger than xanax....just more her preference. How would it be "stronger" than xanax if the threshold dose of xanax(for most people) is around 2mg and the same people have to take upwards of 100mg of codeine to get anything?

[Four Winds]

Alprazolam is MY favorite pharm out there, which is why I added the "IMO".

T3's never did anything for me, even when I popped 15 of them at once, nor did regular codeine pills.

Also, she didn't say they were stronger than xanax....just more her preference. How would it be "stronger" than xanax if the threshold dose of xanax(for most people) is around 2mg and the same people have to take upwards of 100mg of codeine to get anything?
Popping 15 Tylenol 3's is a HORRIBLE idea. You're liver probably went through hell and borderline failure that night...

45 mg of codeine is not enough for a dose, just to be clear. Using the extraction method, I've had a couple hundred mg's at a time in order to feel a nice codeine buzz.

Alprazolam and codeine are two entirely different chemicals, with two different purposes. Thus, they are not comparable at all, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[TopNotchStoner]

Alprazolam and codeine are two entirely different chemicals, with two different purposes. Thus, they are not comparable at all, I'm not sure what you're getting at.You said it must have been some high mg codeine pills to be stronger than xanax, and I was just pointing out that she didn't say it was "stronger", but that it just works better for her depression. That's all. No need to point out the differences between the two, as I am more than aware of the differences between opiates and benzodiazepines.

[Daedalus]

*Places Four Winds and TopNotchStoner in a jar and shakes it to see if they'll fight . . .





btw, im sure the liver death accompanying 15 T3's isnt quite so bad as when i used to eat 10+ vicodin es at time . . .


And 2mg as a threshold dose for xanax? thats alot. like seriously. most people i know get .25mg or .5mg pills. You usually dont get the 2mg bars till you build up a serious tolerance . . .

[Four Winds]

These are much better than xanax.
I must have misread.

I assumed she felt a stronger high from them, as she said she likes them better than Xanax. Thus I assumed she had ingested high mg codeine in order to feel a stronger high than xanax, because yes, that would take many, many mg's of codeine.

[TopNotchStoner]

I must have misread.

I assumed she felt a stronger high from them, as she said she likes them better than Xanax. Thus I assumed she had ingested high mg codeine in order to feel a stronger high than xanax, because yes, that would take many, many mg's of codeine.Yes. I don't know why I can't get high on codeine, but it pisses me off. It just makes me feel hot and sweaty, with no buzz to speak of. I'm jealous:(

[TopNotchStoner]

*Places Four Winds and TopNotchStoner in a jar and shakes it to see if they'll fight . . .





btw, im sure the liver death accompanying 15 T3's isnt quite so bad as when i used to eat 10+ vicodin es at time . . .


And 2mg as a threshold dose for xanax? thats alot. like seriously. most people i know get .25mg or .5mg pills. You usually dont get the 2mg bars till you build up a serious tolerance . . .hahaha nah we wouldn't fight. There were no hard feelings involved.

2mg of xanax is barely anything at all. I've taken 148mg(74 bars) within 24 hours once, as if anyone believes me(I wouldn't believe it, but it's true).....that's a lot. My favorite dose is about 5mg though, because it's not too much or too little. Juuuuussssstt right;)

[Four Winds]

*Places Four Winds and TopNotchStoner in a jar and shakes it to see if they'll fight . . .




btw, im sure the liver death accompanying 15 T3's isnt quite so bad as when i used to eat 10+ vicodin es at time . . .
Haha, no I dont mean to start a fight, sorry if thats what it sounded like.

But either way, 7,500 mg's acetaminophen is HELL on the liver. Taking more than 4,000 mgs is very, very bad for your liver....

Yes. I don't know why I can't get high on codeine, but it pisses me off. It just makes me feel hot and sweaty, with no buzz to speak of. I'm jealous:(
That sucks man.

Have you tried extracting codeine from Ty 3's? You can use a couple boxes, which can amount to a couple hundred mg's of codeine, enough for nice buzz. If you've just got like natural tolerance to them... well that sucks :p

But they are nothing special, you're not missing much.

[TopNotchStoner]

Haha, no I dont mean to start a fight, sorry if thats what it sounded like.

But either way, 7,500 mg's acetaminophen is HELL on the liver. Taking more than 4,000 mgs is very, very bad for your liver....


That sucks man.

Have you tried extracting codeine from Ty 3's? You can use a couple boxes, which can amount to a couple hundred mg's of codeine, enough for nice buzz. If you've just got like natural tolerance to them... well that sucks :p

But they are nothing special, you're not missing much.
Yeah I know it's a lot of APAP, but I was at job corps and we didn't have the means for CWE. I've taken 250mg of codeine before, and it didn't do anything but make me sweaty and hot. Other opiates/opioids are nice though. Maybe I do just have a natural tolerance to codeine. I've heard of other people with the same problem that couldn't catch a buzz with codeine, regardless of how much they ate.

[Four Winds]

Yeah, meh, I guess that sucks.

The hydrocodones way nicer anyways, like I said, you're not missing much. :)

[Daedalus]

. I've taken 148mg(74 bars) within 24 hours once, as if anyone believes me(I wouldn't believe it, but it's true).....that's a lot.im showing the ld50 of alprazolam to be around 2100mg for a 70kg person, which is pretty fuckin unbelievable. So yeah, I'll buy that.
(yahoo answers, so take it with a grain of salt)




And that beats the hell out of my 50 k-pin in 24 hours experience. I tip my hat to you sir . . .

[Four Winds]

im showing the ld50 of alprazolam to be around 2100mg for a 70kg person, which is pretty fuckin unbelievable. So yeah, I'll buy that.
(yahoo answers, so take it with a grain of salt)




And that beats the hell out of my 50 k-pin in 24 hours experience. I tip my hat to you sir . . .
O_o @ both of you...

148 Xanax!?!?!?!

50 Klonopin?!?!?!

WTF! That is really, really crazy.

[TopNotchStoner]

im showing the ld50 of alprazolam to be around 2100mg for a 70kg person, which is pretty fuckin unbelievable. So yeah, I'll buy that.
(yahoo answers, so take it with a grain of salt)




And that beats the hell out of my 50 k-pin in 24 hours experience. I tip my hat to you sir . . .It was an accident, really. I had bought 90 bars off the internet. I only wanted to eat 3 of them that day. After I ate 3 of them, I wanted ONE MORE, then I forgot I took one more and took another, and it just snowballed and I kept forgetting that I had been taking more of them, until I ate 74 of them and passed out. My mom said I stopped breathing and she was gonna call 911, but then I woke up, stumbled into the living room, and fell flat on my face and landed on my stepdad's $400+ model airplane and broke it.

The next morning, I woke up and my mom told me that I had eaten 74 of the bars. Then I ate the last 16 bars for breakfast that day. lol

I've only tried klonopin once, and I took 8mg and didn't feel shit, aside from the joint I smoked. Lots of people seem to prefer them to xanax though. It's weird.

[Yahee]

50 1 mg klonapin is do-able, ive been subscribed 3mg klonapin a day (started half a year ago), u can really build up a tolerance; it takes 25 mgs of it now to make it feel even close to as good as the first time i took my 3 mg dose. I would try to beat u but my anxietys is getting worse, klonapin didnt even handle my anxieties barely in the first place if i stopp my doseings to save up,, ill freak out,, make that freak the fuck out

Xanax makes me really fucked up after 6mg,, ive never tried more than that, mainly cause i dont see myself wanting to staying awake after that
for some reason,, for some reason i wasnt noticing the high .
148 xanax dude,, u must take xanax aften XD

and i love my tolerance to codiene/hydro, its horrible wich is awsome, 3 T3s then another 2 2 hours later and im good,, 2 vicoprofen then 1 2 hours later and im good

O.o and by the looks of it im guessing codien is way easier on your heart than hydro u crazy codeine guys

Edit: ive taken 4 10s of Ambien,,, tell me those things suck? i was dazed like a muther fucker , but ive gone done to 2 or 3,, 4 is an intence daze/trip faze

[Four Winds]

The next morning, I woke up and my mom told me that I had eaten 74 of the bars. Then I ate the last 16 bars for breakfast that day. lol


Dude, you need to get help.

Seriously. That is bad.

[Yahee]

yea dude,, u must atleast of had some ceazures,, like allot of them withdrawing
good you took some after that

[astroneurologist]

Great question. I figure it is because they are scared you will try and kill yourself with it. And if you did get addicted the depression might get worse. I'm sure others know the history better than I do but i reckon that it was prescribed for this before the invention of tricyclics. Despite all this I think it is a good option for some people, or would be a good option if a doctor was willing. Perhaps Tramadol in combination with something? Ideally something to coax your body into making more endogenous endorphins (when appropriate). perhaps something will come of the POMC gene research.

[Daedalus]

It was an accident, really. I had bought 90 bars off the internet. I only wanted to eat 3 of them that day. After I ate 3 of them, I wanted ONE MORE, then I forgot I took one more and took another, and it just snowballed and I kept forgetting that I had been taking more of them, until I ate 74 of them and passed out. Thats exactly how the 50 k-pin day went. Benzos have a way of bringing on the "I'll have one more."
*5 minutes later "Damn I havent taken one for awhile, i'll have one more."
*5 minutes later (you see where this is going)


Then you only stop when you:

1. run out
2. a friend takes them from you (warning: if you try this the benzo man may react violently)
3. you lose them
4. you pass out (cycle is likely to resume upon waking)
5. you just plain cant move anymore . . . (cycle is likely to resume upon regaining use of arms, legs are unnecessary even if there in the other room)

[TopNotchStoner]

yea dude,, u must atleast of had some ceazures,, like allot of them withdrawing
good you took some after thatI don't really know what all happened. I blacked out after the first few pills and my memory didn't seem to kick back in for another couple of days. I hadn't been eating them long enough to build up any kind of physical dependance, so there really were no withdrawals. The fukt up thing is, if I had taken a couple of them everyday until they were gone....I probably would have developed a physical dependance and it could have been way worse than what actually did happen. I'm just thankful I'm still alive.

[Four Winds]

Great question. I figure it is because they are scared you will try and kill yourself with it. And if you did get addicted the depression might get worse. I'm sure others know the history better than I do but i reckon that it was prescribed for this before the invention of tricyclics. Despite all this I think it is a good option for some people, or would be a good option if a doctor was willing. Perhaps Tramadol in combination with something? Ideally something to coax your body into making more endogenous endorphins (when appropriate). perhaps something will come of the POMC gene research.
Please stick around man.

We need more people like you who actually know what the fuck they are talking about.

[TopNotchStoner]

Thats exactly how the 50 k-pin day went. Benzos have a way of bringing on the "I'll have one more."
*5 minutes later "Damn I havent taken one for awhile, i'll have one more."
*5 minutes later (you see where this is going)


Then you only stop when you:

1. run out
2. a friend takes them from you (warning: if you try this the benzo man may react violently)
3. you lose them
4. you pass out (cycle is lickley to resume upon waking)
5. you just plain cant move anymore . . . (cycle is likley to resume upon regaining use of arms, legs are uneccisary even if there in the other room)Eggzakly. It's like a buffet.

[Daedalus]

Seriously, I've lost entire weeks to benzos. There’s nothing like coming to with no money or drugs in your friends bedroom having no recollection how you got there. When you find your friend, you ask him what day it is. He says Tuesday. And your like "Holy shit I don’t remember anything since we got those two days ago. Your friend starts to laugh and says "Nawww yo. You been doing xanax for the last WEEK and two days. . . ."
:eek:
"Oh my god. What did I do . . . "

*tales of wackiness ensue

[TopNotchStoner]

Seriously, I've lost entire weeks to benzos. There’s nothing like coming to with no money or drugs in your friends bedroom having no recollection how you got there. When you find your friend, you ask him what day it is. He says Tuesday. And your like "Holy shit I don’t remember anything since we got those two days ago. Your friend starts to laugh and says "Nawww yo. You been doing xanax for the last WEEK and two days. . . ."
:eek:
"Oh my god. What did I do . . . "

*tales of wackiness ensueYeah man. Been there. I remember one night me and 3 friends got 50 bars for $150 and the 4 of us split it up evenly and they were all gone the next morning. Another night, I got 60 blue footballs and me and 2 friends ate all of them before the night was over. Crazy shit happens in the midst of a xanax binge, and nobody can remember any of it. I have quite the love-hate relationship with alprazolam.

[Four Winds]

... and REHAB is the next logical step in that cycle...

[TopNotchStoner]

... and REHAB is the next logical step in that cycle...Nah. It was the last straw for me when I ate 28 blue footballs and shattered my knuckle when I punched a wall.

[Four Winds]

Man...

I hate to be the one to say it... but you two are gonna end up dead. Relax with the pharms guys!

[Daedalus]

I have quite the love-hate relationship with alprazolam.
I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes i think I do it just to laugh at the stories of the rediculous things that I did and have no reccolection of.



Man...

I hate to be the one to say it... but you two are gonna end up dead. Relax with the pharms guys!You have no idea, look around for some of my adderall hijinks . . . .

[TopNotchStoner]

Man...

I hate to be the one to say it... but you two are gonna end up dead. Relax with the pharms guys!I have. Like I said, breaking my hand was the last straw for me, and I'm gonna steer clear of xanax from now on.....or at least large amounts of xanax. I'll stay within the 10mg range.

[Four Winds]

I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes i think I do it just to laugh at the stories of the rediculous things that I did and have no reccolection of.
See, I hate that kind of shit.

To me, thats like the guy who gets drunk one night and beats his kids, but doesnt give two shits about it the next morning because he was 'sooo fucked up.'

I have. Like I said, breaking my hand was the last straw for me, and I'm gonna steer clear of xanax from now on.....or at least large amounts of xanax. I'll stay within the 10mg range.
Thats good man, thats what I like to hear.

Excess kills!

[Daedalus]

To me, thats like the guy who gets drunk one night and beats his kids, but doesnt give two shits about it the next morning because he was 'sooo fucked up.
Cmon now. thats not fair.

I have no kids nor would i beat them, even on xanax. My xanax blackout storys normally consists of climbing and subsequently falling out of trees, sleeping in inapropriate places, and generally making a complete ass of myself in front of total stranges. No harm is ever done, except to myself.

There was that one time I went hunting at night on the 50 k-pin day . . . .

[Four Winds]

Cmon now. thats not fair.

I have no kids nor would i beat them, even on xanax. My xanax blackout storys normally consists of climbing and subsequently falling out of trees, sleeping in inapropriate places, and generally making a complete ass of myself in front of total stranges. No harm is ever done, except to myself.

There was that one time I went hunting at night on the 50 k-pin day . . . .
Thats what I'm saying man...

If you can do all this shit so often and look back on it afterwards and think its fine, you should get yourself some help man. That behavior is not fine.

Sorry to preach, or sound like an ass, but I dont wanna see anyone dead or in a coma from stupid shit that could have been prevented using some self-restraint and common sense.

[Daedalus]

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Sombodys always gota be the buzzkill and kill these threads . . .

[Four Winds]

Sombodys always gota be the buzzkill and kill these threads . . .
Alright, kill yourself.

You're well on your way. "CUZ PILLZ R SO COOL LIKE CHEYA!"

Grow up, use some self-control eh?

[Daedalus]

I love how in 4 pages of postings, not a single response really had anything at all to do with the OP.

[Bella Désordre]

Sorry guys let me clarify! I LIKE xanax better than anything in the world...well besides oxycontin and percs, but had to go to rehab a few months back for my xanax addiction. I did get some perscribed to me last week though and it tempted me to go down the wrong road again.

I took 3 tylenol w/ codeines and my depression was gone but I didn't like them enough to develop an addiction so I was just curious why docs don't perscribe those as an off label use especially considering opiate deficiency is sometimes a cause of depression.
HUGS
I must have misread.

I assumed she felt a stronger high from them, as she said she likes them better than Xanax. Thus I assumed she had ingested high mg codeine in order to feel a stronger high than xanax, because yes, that would take many, many mg's of codeine.

[Bella Désordre]

what website did you order them from?It was an accident, really. I had bought 90 bars off the internet. I only wanted to eat 3 of them that day. After I ate 3 of them, I wanted ONE MORE, then I forgot I took one more and took another, and it just snowballed and I kept forgetting that I had been taking more of them, until I ate 74 of them and passed out. My mom said I stopped breathing and she was gonna call 911, but then I woke up, stumbled into the living room, and fell flat on my face and landed on my stepdad's $400+ model airplane and broke it.

The next morning, I woke up and my mom told me that I had eaten 74 of the bars. Then I ate the last 16 bars for breakfast that day. lol

I've only tried klonopin once, and I took 8mg and didn't feel shit, aside from the joint I smoked. Lots of people seem to prefer them to xanax though. It's weird.

[Bella Désordre]

I accidentally took 7 10mg's of ambien on an airplane and did weird shit on it. I swore there was an indian food buffet and unlimited champagne. When we landed I was walked to baggage claim and I don't remember much of anything else.50 1 mg klonapin is do-able, ive been subscribed 3mg klonapin a day (started half a year ago), u can really build up a tolerance; it takes 25 mgs of it now to make it feel even close to as good as the first time i took my 3 mg dose. I would try to beat u but my anxietys is getting worse, klonapin didnt even handle my anxieties barely in the first place if i stopp my doseings to save up,, ill freak out,, make that freak the fuck out

Xanax makes me really fucked up after 6mg,, ive never tried more than that, mainly cause i dont see myself wanting to staying awake after that
for some reason,, for some reason i wasnt noticing the high .
148 xanax dude,, u must take xanax aften XD

and i love my tolerance to codiene/hydro, its horrible wich is awsome, 3 T3s then another 2 2 hours later and im good,, 2 vicoprofen then 1 2 hours later and im good

O.o and by the looks of it im guessing codien is way easier on your heart than hydro u crazy codeine guys

Edit: ive taken 4 10s of Ambien,,, tell me those things suck? i was dazed like a muther fucker , but ive gone done to 2 or 3,, 4 is an intence daze/trip faze

[Bella Désordre]

I agree I went into rehab when I passed out from drinking 2 gallons of beer in a hot tub, then doing tequila funnels later on...alll while on flexeril, xanax, valium, tramadol and codeines. I was so so so sick. I have never wretched like that in my life. I thank god I threw-up or else I know I would have been dead...especially with how many tramadol I took.Man...

I hate to be the one to say it... but you two are gonna end up dead. Relax with the pharms guys!

[TopNotchStoner]

I would have been dead...especially with how many tramadol I took.How many tramadols did you take? I've taken over 1000mg(20 of them) of tram and had a good ole time.

[Mr LJ]

Alprazolam is MY favorite pharm out there, which is why I added the "IMO".

T3's never did anything for me, even when I popped 15 of them at once, nor did regular codeine pills.

Also, she didn't say they were stronger than xanax....just more her preference. How would it be "stronger" than xanax if the threshold dose of xanax(for most people) is around 2mg and the same people have to take upwards of 100mg of codeine to get anything?i looked up codeine and the reason u could not be feeling is because 6-10% of the caucasian race don't have the necessary thing in the liver to turn it into morphine

[TopNotchStoner]

i looked up codeine and the reason u could not be feeling is because 6-10% of the caucasian race don't have the necessary thing in the liver to turn it into morphineYeah I've heard something like that before.

[astroneurologist]

Any drug that gets processed by cyp 2d6 will inhibit the biotransformation of codeine--which is inactive--to morphine. One example is Paxil.

Seems kinda strange how tons of morphine is converted (by chemical manufacturers) to codeine, only to have it bundled up with inert fillers and have our bodies transform it back into morphine at some low yield. kinda strange. never understood that one.