Yet another nightmare for an Atheist

[campbell34]

-The real Mount Sinai was found in Saudia Arabia. The Bible said that God dwelled on the top of this mountain and the heat that was created was like a furnace. The mountain that discovered is not volcanic but the entire top has been burned black. And this is only a fraction of what has been found.

But I guess it is just another one of those Bible coincidences.


Check it out for yourself....

http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/mtsinai.html

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/sci_rel/020329sinai.html

http://www.cnn.com/books/dialogue/9802/howard.blum/

[BlackHoodedCrow]

For a Hippie forum. You are not very open or excepting.

December

[bandit28]

Being that this section is devoted to Christianity, I think his post has everything to do with this forum. Perhaps in the end BlackHoodedCrow, you are the one that is not open?

I couldn't resist this:

Goth is seeing beauty, and its coming destruction, at the same time. It's the last dance as the walls are crumbling around you.To find the light in the darkness and embrace it for all its worth.
So those guys playing on the Titanic as it sank....were they Goth?

[LuciferSam]

Man I just peed myself there. Oh woe oh woe I'm such a lost soul, how could I not have seen the light?:p:rolleyes:

[Epiphany]

For a Hippie forum. You are not very open or excepting.

December
Most of those who tend to use that phrase, are the ones who are completely closed off to anything that has to do with Christ. Pot calls kettle black?

[loveflower]

-The real Mount Sinai was found in Saudia Arabia. The Bible said that God dwelled on the top of this mountain and the heat that was created was like a furnace. The mountain that discovered is not volcanic but the entire top has been burned black. And this is only a fraction of what has been found.

But I guess it is just another one of those Bible coincidences.


Check it out for yourself....

http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/mtsinai.html

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/sci_rel/020329sinai.html

http://www.cnn.com/books/dialogue/9802/howard.blum/
please don't say that it's a nightmare for an atheist, that's implying that you are right and we are wrong. i do accept that fact that maybe you have faith in the right thing, but i also believe what i do, and i don't try to imply that my way is the only way

[nitemarehippygirl]

"The mountain peak scorched by Supernatural heat"

IMO: that first site looked rather unprofessional, and the picture of the scorched mountain top looked more like a simple shadow. as one site states in interview:
BATTISTA: I need to play the devil's advocate because it does seem somewhat incredible that these two Americans, who are basically just adventurers with a lot of money, would manage to find this incredibly mysterious and historical Biblical site over any other Biblical archaeological team. I mean, how did they prove that this was the real Mount Sinai?

BLUM: You raise an important point and I should emphasize that these men are just adventurers; they are not scholars.

sort of reminds me of the old, seeing the virgin mary in my spaghettios type of thing. take care guys~

[LuciferSam]

Exactly what I was thinking. It's not that professional at all. Far more likely just another instance of people taking advantage of the faithful's will to believe.

[loveflower]

Being that this section is devoted to Christianity, I think his post has everything to do with this forum. Perhaps in the end BlackHoodedCrow, you are the one that is not open?

I couldn't resist this:

So those guys playing on the Titanic as it sank....were they Goth?
youre really not being fair, that's her opinion and something that makes her happy, she's not saying that it applies to everything and everyone,
what do you gain by being hostile to others?

[Alsharad]

please don't say that it's a nightmare for an atheist, that's implying that you are right and we are wrong. i do accept that fact that maybe you have faith in the right thing, but i also believe what i do, and i don't try to imply that my way is the only way Just to chime in here... if you are an atheist and if your beliefs are correct, then your way IS the only way. Same thing for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (those three at the least, there are probably more). If Christianity is correct, then all other religions that have a method for getting to heaven are wrong. Any religion (or non-religion) that states a metaphysical principle as fact when that principle is not found within Christianity is wrong. The same applies with Islam and Judaism.

A BAD Muslim is one who does NOT believe that Allah is the only God and who believes that Christians who worship Christ will also go to heaven. Muslims believe that they have the way, the truth, and the life. So do Jews. So do Christians. By asking Christians to not imply that they believe that they have the only way, you are asking them to neglect a key aspect of their faith in order that you might not be offended.

Here's the rub: that you would ask someone to refrain from stating what they believe shows remarkable intolerance on your part, not theirs. They believe that they have the light and they are trying to bring it to you. You can reject it if you want to.

Also, is there anything wrong with implying or stating that my way is the only way? What if I am right? If I have the only way, wouldn't it be immoral for me to NOT state it and try and let you know? What is the big deal about people stating that they are right as if it were fact?

[LuciferSam]

There's a difference between stating your own beliefs as something that's relative to yourself, and stating them as if they were the unquestionable, universal truths that non-believers shouldn't have the gall to pick apart. I don't think it hurts at all to acknowledge that one's religious views aren't necessarily for everyone, or that ultimately these sorts of views are based on faith (that, after all, is what constitutes a religion), and therefore that's a very relative thing. It's more diplomatic, at the least. At any rate, dogmatic preachiness about the absolute truth of one's faith gets tiresome fast, and tends not to endear their image to non-believers.

[bandit28]

I couldn't have said it better myself Alsharad. Good work.


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Originally Posted by bandit28
Being that this section is devoted to Christianity, I think his post has everything to do with this forum. Perhaps in the end BlackHoodedCrow, you are the one that is not open?

I couldn't resist this:

So those guys playing on the Titanic as it sank....were they Goth?

youre really not being fair, that's her opinion and something that makes her happy, she's not saying that it applies to everything and everyone,
what do you gain by being hostile to others? I am not being fair? I am told daily that I am not open minded, that I need to view things from a different perspective. Guess what, I viewed everything differently before I gave my life to Jesus. For someone to tell me I am closed minded because I believe in something they don't is absurd. In that case, I would call you close minded. Who is the more expirienced here? The one that has always been against God, or the one that was against God, saw the light and now fights for Him? I have been on both sides. I know both sides arguments. I made my decision, you made yours, so why call me close minded when you are doing the same damn thing? Oh, and where did you see hostility? Had she been in my face saying what she said, I would have replied with what I said with a smile. Yeah, I can see how smiling is hostile to others. Oh wait, I forgot, everyone else is allowed to voice their opinion in what makes them happy, but we Christians are being closed minded and hostile when we do it.

[campbell34]

"The mountain peak scorched by Supernatural heat"

IMO: that first site looked rather unprofessional, and the picture of the scorched mountain top looked more like a simple shadow. as one site states in interview:
BATTISTA: I need to play the devil's advocate because it does seem somewhat incredible that these two Americans, who are basically just adventurers with a lot of money, would manage to find this incredibly mysterious and historical Biblical site over any other Biblical archaeological team. I mean, how did they prove that this was the real Mount Sinai?

BLUM: You raise an important point and I should emphasize that these men are just adventurers; they are not scholars.

sort of reminds me of the old, seeing the virgin mary in my spaghettios type of thing. take care guys~
-If you want to see actual pictures get the DVD The Real Mount Sinai. You will see that the mountain is not a shadow but chard granite as the guys crack open the stones. In the DVD the two guys through the Bible find everything it was talking about. Honestly you will be amazed.

These guys simply followed the Bible. When the Bible said they stopped at a spring these guys actually looked for a spring. They also went off research of a former seekers who got caught an their pictures got taken away. How they setup to find everything was form something almost like a grocery list. Step by step they found everything.

-The Red Sea Crossing
-Exodus Route
-Bitter Springs of Marah
-Palms & Springs of Elim
-Golden Calf Altar
-Boundary Markers
-Altar of Moses
-Twelve Pillars
-Cave of Elijah
-Mountain Touched by God


Now if the archaeologist did this they would have come up with the same conclusion but they just went to the traditional site the Sinia pennisula and said there was no evidence. But archaelogist missed a key verse. The Bible says that the Jews went ouf of Egypt to Saudia Arabia. Now Saudia Arabia is not in the Sinia Pennisula so you can see how archaeologist missed it.

[loverofthewoods]

[QUOTE=bandit28]I couldn't have said it better myself Alsharad. Good work.

I am not being fair? I am told daily that I am not open minded, that I need to view things from a different perspective. Guess what, I viewed everything differently before I gave my life to Jesus. For someone to tell me I am closed minded because I believe in something they don't is absurd. In that case, I would call you close minded. Who is the more expirienced here? The one that has always been against God, or the one that was against God, saw the light and now fights for Him? I have been on both sides. I know both sides arguments. QUOTE]

so then bandit...heres my story... i used to be a christian...until I saw the light and started thinking for myself...i viewed everything differently before i set my mind free. For someone to tell me I am closed minded because I believe in something they don't is absurd. In that case, I would call you close minded. Who is the more expirienced here? The one that believes in christ? or the one that used to believe in christ then saw the light and woke up from the dream. i have .been on both sides. I know both sides arguments.

so as you can see, im just using your words against you...i personally wouldnt have said it like that. true i used to be christian...now i think it is so absurd that ever i could have let my mind fool me like that. i wont tell you your beliefs are wrong because for you they arent....but your beliefs are not for everyone...man creates his own reality. all religions in the world believe just as strongly as you do about their beliefs...and to them they are right and those beliefs are right for them...man creates his own reality. its a game of psychology. no one is completely right...but everyone is right in their reality. you can play the ..."i believe what i do because i have felt god in a spiritual awakening"...but so have i...more so with what i believe now than ever i did with christianity...and you cant try to tell someone they havent...i wont tell you, you havent. spirituality is different for every individual. there is a difference between finding god on your path... and assuming since you found him on your path, that path is the only way. dont make that assumption.

if your told everyday that your closed minded...perhaps you should take an honest look at yourself. isnt that what spirituality is all about? bettering yourself as a person? if one man comes and tells you, you have a tail, you can just brush it off...if another tells you, you have a tail, you might want to think about it...and if another tells you you have a tail...you should probably investigate. we are best seen in the eyes of others. take it as constructive feedback.


-end rant

[campbell34]

Exactly what I was thinking. It's not that professional at all. Far more likely just another instance of people taking advantage of the faithful's will to believe.

So what if they are not experts. A shepard boy found the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[LuciferSam]

Don't matter. Still need to have legit professionals look at it and verify before it's something to get excited about and wave it about as an "atheist nightmare"...

[bandit28]

First off, I don't recall seeing loverofthewoods post anything prior to her recent post on this thread. So with that in mind, I clearly was not speaking to that person.

Secondly, I did not attack the thread. I did not bring up someone being closed minded. Some anti-christian accused campbell of being closed minded.

Again, I will point out, that when a Christian tries to spread The Word he is called closed mined. However, it is highly frowned upon when the roles are reversed, and a Christian calls a non believer close minded. It's as if it's ok if non believers do it, but when a Christian does it, oh , well they are just ignorant closed minded fools.

so then bandit...heres my story... i used to be a christian...until I saw the light and started thinking for myself...i viewed everything differently before i set my mind free. For someone to tell me I am closed minded because I believe in something they don't is absurd. In that case, I would call you close minded. Who is the more expirienced here? The one that believes in christ? or the one that used to believe in christ then saw the light and woke up from the dream. i have .been on both sides. I know both sides arguments.

so as you can see, im just using your words against you... No, you didn't use my words against me. You simply showed your lack of ability to come up with anything original. Yet again, prooving my point that it's ok for you to correct me or campbell in saying we are closed minded. What you failed to quote was the important part, that pretty much knocks your pointless bable out of the water. This is what I said:I know both sides arguments. I made my decision, you made yours, so why call me close minded when you are doing the same damn thing? Shall I say it again? I made my decision, and because you want to join in, you made your decision, why call me close minded when you are doing the same thing? What did you say you name was? Kettle was it? My name is Pot.

i personally wouldnt have said it like that. true i used to be christian...now i think it is so absurd that ever i could have let my mind fool me like that. i wont tell you your beliefs are wrong because for you they arent....but your beliefs are not for everyone...man creates his own reality. all religions in the world believe just as strongly as you do about their beliefs...and to them they are right and those beliefs are right for them...man creates his own reality. its a game of psychology. no one is completely right...but everyone is right in their reality. you can play the ..."i believe what i do because i have felt god in a spiritual awakening"...but so have i...more so with what i believe now than ever i did with christianity...and you cant try to tell someone they havent...i wont tell you, you havent. spirituality is different for every individual. there is a difference between finding god on your path... and assuming since you found him on your path, that path is the only way. dont make that assumption.
I don't see how anything you just said there has anything to do with what everyone else(including myself) has said here. And those last two remarks....who said my path was the only way?

if your told everyday that your closed minded...perhaps you should take an honest look at yourself. isnt that what spirituality is all about? bettering yourself as a person? if one man comes and tells you, you have a tail, you can just brush it off...if another tells you, you have a tail, you might want to think about it...and if another tells you you have a tail...you should probably investigate. we are best seen in the eyes of others. take it as constructive feedback.
Here is a little schooling for you. Those accusers are anti-christians just like you. You would have me better myself according to worldly beliefs. I better myself through scripture, prayer, and fellowship with other Christians. In using your analogy, and putting it where it counts. Several people have come along and told me Christianity, Jesus, God(pretty much insert The Bible here) is wrong. I prayed(investigated) about it, thought about it, prayed more, and studied The Bible. My conclusion, Jesus died for my sins and your sins. Loads of people will reject Him(those are the people telling me I have a tail) and few will recieve Him. Even with loads of evidence(now we are getting back on topic here) people will still reject the truth. You can deny it all you want. In the end, when you read The Bible, study it, and learn it's prophecies, it becomes more clear that it is truth. Funny, a lot of people claim they would believe if theuy could just see proof, yet, when it is laid out in front of them, they deny it.

Campbell, as The Bible clearly states, this and so many other things will be refuted and rejected. I realy find it funny though that these non believers find it neccesary to go out of their way, to jump in here, and attempt to bash every bit of info we post. Then again, I just refert to The Bible and see it as scripture come true.

[Epiphany]

First off, I don't recall seeing loverofthewoods post anything prior to her recent post on this thread. So with that in mind, I clearly was not speaking to that person.

Secondly, I did not attack the thread. I did not bring up someone being closed minded. Some anti-christian accused campbell of being closed minded.

Again, I will point out, that when a Christian tries to spread The Word he is called closed mined. However, it is highly frowned upon when the roles are reversed, and a Christian calls a non believer close minded. It's as if it's ok if non believers do it, but when a Christian does it, oh , well they are just ignorant closed minded fools.

No, you didn't use my words against me. You simply showed your lack of ability to come up with anything original. Yet again, prooving my point that it's ok for you to correct me or campbell in saying we are closed minded. What you failed to quote was the important part, that pretty much knocks your pointless bable out of the water. This is what I said: Shall I say it again? I made my decision, and because you want to join in, you made your decision, why call me close minded when you are doing the same thing? What did you say you name was? Kettle was it? My name is Pot.

I don't see how anything you just said there has anything to do with what everyone else(including myself) has said here. And those last two remarks....who said my path was the only way?

Here is a little schooling for you. Those accusers are anti-christians just like you. You would have me better myself according to worldly beliefs. I better myself through scripture, prayer, and fellowship with other Christians. In using your analogy, and putting it where it counts. Several people have come along and told me Christianity, Jesus, God(pretty much insert The Bible here) is wrong. I prayed(investigated) about it, thought about it, prayed more, and studied The Bible. My conclusion, Jesus died for my sins and your sins. Loads of people will reject Him(those are the people telling me I have a tail) and few will recieve Him. Even with loads of evidence(now we are getting back on topic here) people will still reject the truth. You can deny it all you want. In the end, when you read The Bible, study it, and learn it's prophecies, it becomes more clear that it is truth. Funny, a lot of people claim they would believe if theuy could just see proof, yet, when it is laid out in front of them, they deny it.

Campbell, as The Bible clearly states, this and so many other things will be refuted and rejected. I realy find it funny though that these non believers find it neccesary to go out of their way, to jump in here, and attempt to bash every bit of info we post. Then again, I just refert to The Bible and see it as scripture come true.
That was a great post, Bandit

[velvet]

Goth is seeing beauty, and its coming destruction, at the same time. It's the last dance as the walls are crumbling around you.To find the light in the darkness and embrace it for all its worth.
So those guys playing on the Titanic as it sank....were they Goth?
Is it really that hard? To me, it means that: goths see things that way, but that doesn't mean that everyone who sees life that way is goth..

Like.. children like sesamestreet, but not everyone who likes sesamestreet is a child.

It's not that hard.. is it?

[campbell34]

Don't matter. Still need to have legit professionals look at it and verify before it's something to get excited about and wave it about as an "atheist nightmare"...
-That would be a nice to do if the unbias muslims would allow entry to the mountain. Unfortunately, they are so fearful that any Christian or Jew should see this place that they surrounded the entire mountain with a 6 foot fence and guard posts. It is protected by armed Saudi guards. The only way they were able to get close to the mountain is by forging passports and approaching the mountain with night-vision head gear. This is what happens when there is a Christian or Jewish site in a Muslim country. This is the kind of desperation taking place around the world to prevent the truth from coming out.

[campbell34]

bandit28,

"Campbell, as The Bible clearly states, this and so many other things will be refuted and rejected. I realy find it funny though that these non believers find it neccesary to go out of their way, to jump in here, and attempt to bash every bit of info we post. Then again, I just refert to The Bible and see it as scripture come true."


I totally agree, but I will keep on putting out every proof of the Bible to show that they are denying truth. It is almost like they would deny the sky being blue.

As a result, with all the fulfilled prophecies, archaeological and scientific proof a person who rejects the Bible would require more faith than a person that believes it. But still people will go to great heights to try to prove the Bible wrong just so they don't have to obey God's regualtions. But if they only knew that life was just a test with only two possible grades-Heaven or Hell, people would quickly turn and follow Jesus.

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

-1 Timothy 4:3,4

[BlackHoodedCrow]

Being that this section is devoted to Christianity, I think his post has everything to do with this forum. Perhaps in the end BlackHoodedCrow, you are the one that is not open?

I couldn't resist this:

So those guys playing on the Titanic as it sank....were they Goth?ARTISTIC DESRUCTION NOT LITERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh and BTW yes, that in fact can be considered Goth. Being able to see something that emotional and perhaps see the beauty in it. And the fact you were able to point that out means you thought like a Goth!!!!

[LuciferSam]

-That would be a nice to do if the unbias muslims would allow entry to the mountain. Unfortunately, they are so fearful that any Christian or Jew should see this place that they surrounded the entire mountain with a 6 foot fence and guard posts. It is protected by armed Saudi guards. The only way they were able to get close to the mountain is by forging passports and approaching the mountain with night-vision head gear. This is what happens when there is a Christian or Jewish site in a Muslim country. This is the kind of desperation taking place around the world to prevent the truth from coming out.
Well, I don't argue that the Saudi Muslims can be some fanatic nutjobs (having lived in Saudi Arabia as a kid I'd know) that freak at the mention of any alternate faith. But I would rather attribute their being all cagey about this mountain to their general fundamental nuttiness. After all, since they're such hardcore Muslims it wouldn't make sense that they were "afraid" that a "truth" they don't believe in would come out.

[Bacchus]

-The real Mount Sinai was found in Saudia Arabia. The Bible said that God dwelled on the top of this mountain and the heat that was created was like a furnace. The mountain that discovered is not volcanic but the entire top has been burned black. And this is only a fraction of what has been found.

But I guess it is just another one of those Bible coincidences.

So you believe that God lives on top of a mountain in Saudi Arabia?

And your proof is that people way back when also knew the top of the mountain in the middle of the desert was burnt?

And you wonder why people laugh at you?

[campbell34]

LuciferSam,

"After all, since they're such hardcore Muslims it wouldn't make sense that they were "afraid" that a "truth" they don't believe in would come out."

-The truth that would come out would completely refute the authority of Allah and would verify that the real God of this world is Jehovah(which is also the Christian God). And because this is the case that is why this mountain in the middle of the dessert is surrounded by armed Saudi soldiers.

[campbell34]

So you believe that God lives on top of a mountain in Saudi Arabia?

And your proof is that people way back when also knew the top of the mountain in the middle of the desert was burnt?

And you wonder why people laugh at you?
-No God does not live on the top of a mountain but thousands of years ago he dwelt there and every physical aspect of the Biblical story can be found there. Such as:

-The Red Sea Crossing
-Exodus Route
-Bitter Springs of Marah
-Palms & Springs of Elim
-Golden Calf Altar
-Boundary Markers
-Altar of Moses
-Twelve Pillars
-Cave of Elijah
-Mountain Touched by God


All of this is within site of that mountain which proves again that the stories of the Bible are literal and not allegory. The government of Saudi Arabia is not laughing because they also know the truth and are hiding it.

[Sera Michele]

A charred mountain top is not proof of god's existance.

[LuciferSam]

All of this is within site of that mountain which proves again that the stories of the Bible are literal and not allegory. The government of Saudi Arabia is not laughing because they also know the truth and are hiding it. Many of the people that run Saudi Arabia are some of the most fanatical Muslims you'll ever meet. It doesn't make any sense that they would think they're hiding the "truth" about a religiont they don't follow. As I said I think it's just their general fanaticism that is why they would guard it. They're ridiculously touchy about other faiths... when I lived in Saudi Arabia I remember pictures of other religious symbols were often blotted out with black ink by the censors.

The truth that would come out would completely refute the authority of Allah and would verify that the real God of this world is Jehovah(which is also the Christian God). And because this is the case that is why this mountain in the middle of the dessert is surrounded by armed Saudi soldiers. Nonsense. You automatically jump to the conclusion that the fervently Muslim Saudis would simply believe that a burnt mountain top (if that's indeed the case) is proof of a rival faith's God. They wouldn't believe that because they're not Christian. You believe because you are I take it a devout Christian and you see it as supporting your faith. You accept it as matter-of-fact "evidence" that fits snugly into your Christian view of things. They wouldn't believe what you believe. Hell, if anything they may think of it as Devil's trickery or something. Would you believe it if some fanatic Muslims touted some long-lost relic or sacred place to you as proof of their faith? I'd doubt it, because you're obviously convinced that your faith is the correct one.

[jailmate]

Most of those who tend to use that phrase, are the ones who are completely closed off to anything that has to do with Christ. Pot calls kettle black?

Black hash pot was what big daddy Jewsuz wuz tokin az day axed him.

dayh had no scissorz

[campbell34]

A charred mountain top is not proof of god's existance.
Yes Sera, a Charred mountain alone is not proof of God's existance. But there were ten items mentioned in the post which would substantially strengthen the arguement, which you failed to mention in your post. I'm sure that was an oversight. Don't you think it's kind of funny that Saudia Arabia
is trying to hide the mountain. You got to laugh, heres this mountain in the middle of the deseret, with a six foot fence built all around it and guard posts.
We have armed Saudia military guards with guns guarding a mountain in the middle of no where. Now what is it about this mountain that deserves so much attention?

[POPthree13]

Here is a good link refuting the possibility of Mt. Sinai being in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai.html

Ron Wyatt is a whack-job who is denounced by any serious biblical archaeologist. I would unconditioanlly question anything he suggests is true...

[campbell34]

Here is a good link refuting the possibility of Mt. Sinai being in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.ldolphin.org/sinai.html

Ron Wyatt is a whack-job who is denounced by any serious biblical archaeologist. I would unconditioanlly question anything he suggests is true...
Sorry but the whack is on you. Explorations Films sent two Americans undercover into Saudi Arabia. One Christian and one that was not. They went in there with information from Ron Wyatt. Everything that the Bible describes about Mt. Sinai they discovered. The whole story was aired on National Geographic Television. Jack Hayford of the same said of the film. "This is a masterpiece of research and significance..a great piece of work and one of the most remarkable things that has happened of recent years. " Ian Reed, Reuters News Agency said of the film. " Your exploration are fascinating. Your story is remarkable!" They found the stone altar that the golden calf was mounted on, they located the caves of Moses, They found the 12 granite pillars the bible describes, they found the cave Joshua stayed in when moses went up the mountain to receive the Ten Comandments, they found the split rock of Horeb, the 12 springs of Elim, and they even found the bitter springs of Marah. Inside the caves of Moses is ancient writings that stated that the Children of Israel passed by this spot when they left Egypt. The Saudi government does not want Christians or Jews coming to the site and have put up a six foot fence around the mountain. The mountain has guard shacks around it and armed soliders patrol it so no one can easily approach it. The two Americans had to forge their pasports to get in to see it and used night vision goggles to manuver around at night. According to the Bible when God was on the mountain the heat on the top of the peak was like a furnance. The two Americans stated that even thought it is a granite mountain the peak is burned black. This was the same thing that Ron Wyatt and his son stated. You can get this DVD by calling 1-800-964-0439 The title to ask for is, The Search for the Real Mt. Sinai.

[whiterabbit]

Just to chime in here... if you are an atheist and if your beliefs are correct, then your way IS the only way. Same thing for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (those three at the least, there are probably more). If Christianity is correct, then all other religions that have a method for getting to heaven are wrong. Any religion (or non-religion) that states a metaphysical principle as fact when that principle is not found within Christianity is wrong. The same applies with Islam and Judaism.

A BAD Muslim is one who does NOT believe that Allah is the only God and who believes that Christians who worship Christ will also go to heaven. Muslims believe that they have the way, the truth, and the life. So do Jews. So do Christians. By asking Christians to not imply that they believe that they have the only way, you are asking them to neglect a key aspect of their faith in order that you might not be offended.

Here's the rub: that you would ask someone to refrain from stating what they believe shows remarkable intolerance on your part, not theirs. They believe that they have the light and they are trying to bring it to you. You can reject it if you want to.

Also, is there anything wrong with implying or stating that my way is the only way? What if I am right? If I have the only way, wouldn't it be immoral for me to NOT state it and try and let you know? What is the big deal about people stating that they are right as if it were fact?
Well heres the thing they don't just try and shine there glorious light upon us they shove it down our throat and won't let it go. I think ALL religions were invented by man. And they were intended to control the masses why do you think so many countries are still run by religion, because if you shove something down someones throat from the time there born there going to believe it and if they know nothing about other religions they only believe theres and then the country can be run by a religion, everyones brainwashed, thats why the middle east is so fucked up cuz there all run by dictator fanatic freaks. And just because i think that religion was invented by man, that doesn't mean i'm not spiritual, i belive there is some god whatever he/she/ or it may be i dont' know but i believe there is one whether it be the spirits of mother nature (which i lean towards mostly) or jesus christ, i don't know but i know there is one, but anyways yeah they shove the so called "light", (i call it more of a spiraling black hole of boredom because you can't do anything because your afraid it's a sin and you'll go to hell type of light) down your throat.

[whiterabbit]

oh and by the way i just thought i should point out that just because a mountain top is burned doesn't mean god descended upon it whilst on fire, when i hear things like this i have to wonder to myself hasn't anyone heard of fires???? But me thinking that is completely rediculous the logical explination is that a man descended from the sky whilst on fire and burned the top of a mountain. that makes more sense


hmmm...... i had no idea peyote was being used so long ago, but they were in the desert and bored so i guess thats a reasonable explination for that. But i must say it is an entertaining story isn't it, and my oh my they must have had some wild trip.

[roly]

please don't say that it's a nightmare for an atheist, that's implying that you are right and we are wrong. i do accept that fact that maybe you have faith in the right thing, but i also believe what i do, and i don't try to imply that my way is the only way

Gods way is the only way....not ours

[POPthree13]

Sorry but the whack is on you. Explorations Films sent two Americans undercover into Saudi Arabia. One Christian and one that was not. They went in there with information from Ron Wyatt. Everything that the Bible describes about Mt. Sinai they discovered. The whole story was aired on National Geographic Television. Both members of this expidition are self-proclaimed Christians. I have seen the DVD borrowed from the library. National Geographic did cover it, just as it has cover the lost city of atlantis, bigfoot the loch ness monster, and MANY, MANY other inconclusive items of interest. National Geographic often has programs about evolution, do you beleive them also?

Jack Hayford of the same said of the film. "This is a masterpiece of research and significance..a great piece of work and one of the most remarkable things that has happened of recent years. "
Yes... but then again he is a pastor with no archaeoligical or geological background.
Ian Reed, Reuters News Agency said of the film. " Your exploration are fascinating. Your story is remarkable!"
Yes it is fascinating AND remarkable, but does that make it a VALID scientific study. No.

They found the stone altar that the golden calf was mounted on, they located the caves of Moses, They found a stack of rocks and some caves. I have the same thing not a mile from my house. Is it Mt. Sanai?

They found the 12 granite pillars the bible describes, they found the cave Joshua stayed in when moses went up the mountain to receive the Ten Comandments, they found the split rock of Horeb, the 12 springs of Elim, and they even found the bitter springs of Marah. Inside the caves of Moses is ancient writings that stated that the Children of Israel passed by this spot when they left Egypt.
Just read this.. its much easier than explaning... http://www.totheends.com/sinairev.htm

The Saudi government does not want Christians or Jews coming to the site and have put up a six foot fence around the mountain. The mountain has guard shacks around it and armed soliders patrol it so no one can easily approach it. The two Americans had to forge their pasports to get in to see it and used night vision goggles to manuver around at night.
Yes, they were trespassing. The fence was erected after Wyatt's claims to keep whack-jobs like him from tresspassing and stealing artifacts. This area does have over 3500 years of petroglyphs and caves that were inhabited LONG before the exodus from egypt.

According to the Bible when God was on the mountain the heat on the top of the peak was like a furnance. The two Americans stated that even thought it is a granite mountain the peak is burned black. This was the same thing that Ron Wyatt and his son stated. You can get this DVD by calling 1-800-964-0439 The title to ask for is, The Search for the Real Mt. Sinai.Well thanks but no thanks, but I have plenty of other REAL archaeological documentaries I could waste my money on. Yes the peak is black. From the pictures it is clear that the line between black and brown follows a clear stratified line of rock. So, either God decided to stop burning the mountain on a very clear line that followed the layers of the rock, or it is just a layer of rock. Why is this peak blakc at the top and the hills around it are not? It is taller and exposes a leyer of rock that has been eroded from the surrounding hills.

Why go to all this trouble to refute the traditional Mt. Sinai (Jebel Musa)? It is has long been widely beleived to be valid. Just because the top isn't black and some self-proclaimed hobby explorer named Wyatt says so? None of his work has one ounce of credibility, so continue to defend his 'discoveries' if you will. It only reveals your level of gullibility. I for one will stick to TRUE archaelogists who are working in these fields.

[campbell34]

Both members of this expidition are self-proclaimed Christians. I have seen the DVD borrowed from the library. National Geographic did cover it, just as it has cover the lost city of atlantis, bigfoot the loch ness monster, and MANY, MANY other inconclusive items of interest. National Geographic often has programs about evolution, do you beleive them also?

Yes... but then again he is a pastor with no archaeoligical or geological background.
Yes it is fascinating AND remarkable, but does that make it a VALID scientific study. No.
They found a stack of rocks and some caves. I have the same thing not a mile from my house. Is it Mt. Sanai?
Just read this.. its much easier than explaning... http://www.totheends.com/sinairev.htm
Yes, they were trespassing. The fence was erected after Wyatt's claims to keep whack-jobs like him from tresspassing and stealing artifacts. This area does have over 3500 years of petroglyphs and caves that were inhabited LONG before the exodus from egypt.

Well thanks but no thanks, but I have plenty of other REAL archaeological documentaries I could waste my money on. Yes the peak is black. From the pictures it is clear that the line between black and brown follows a clear stratified line of rock. So, either God decided to stop burning the mountain on a very clear line that followed the layers of the rock, or it is just a layer of rock. Why is this peak blakc at the top and the hills around it are not? It is taller and exposes a leyer of rock that has been eroded from the surrounding hills.

Why go to all this trouble to refute the traditional Mt. Sinai (Jebel Musa)? It is has long been widely beleived to be valid. Just because the top isn't black and some self-proclaimed hobby explorer named Wyatt says so? None of his work has one ounce of credibility, so continue to defend his 'discoveries' if you will. It only reveals your level of gullibility. I for one will stick to TRUE archaelogists who are working in these fields.
Ron Wyatt has no credibility, you need to start doing your homework. A dream team compiled of scholars and archaeologists from Harvard, John Hopkins, and Archaeological review are now appealing to the kingdom asking for permission to examine Ron Wyatt's site. The editor of Biblical Archaeology Review was quoted in Newsweek that Ron Watts discovery is now the most likely location for Mount Siani. The only reason Jebel Musa was believed to be valid was because of tradition, all of the evidence however points to Wyatt's discovery.
If you are looking for the true archaelogists working in these fields, you will not find them working at (Jebel Musa)

[JesusDiedForU]

Popthree must still be doing his homework because he still hasn't replied.

[blupigan]

Just to chime in here... if you are an atheist and if your beliefs are correct, then your way IS the only way. Same thing for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (those three at the least, there are probably more)Alsharad

Your exactlly right Alsharad. To denounce all arguments on religion, even if it was something created by man, if you believe something it is true. If you truly believe then no one can tell you its wrong. If i truly believe that there are large green tires outside and if i eat too much pork they will send me to space then it is true. One of the greatest quotes ever is "It's all in your mind" It really is. If you truly think God is on a cloud then God is on the cloud. I dont belive in any God of any kind, and even if I have scientific facts backing me up, even if i have every fact backing me up its just as true to me as it isnt to you.

Don't bash other peoples beliefs, if you know it then it is a fact.

[Genesis]

here here blupgian.:)


i completely agree.



religion can not be proved nor disproved but can fall under questioning. no-one can tell you your wrong or right because their opinions are based on the same questionable possibilities as ourselves and therefore cannot discout anything.

it's all a matter of faith. faith in the existance of a higher being..faith in the non-existance of a higher being.

[Samhain]

if one saw this thread on the active thread list and wanted to know a little bit more about christian topics (i know very little myself) does anyone really think that this thread would be welcoming and open?

S

[Genesis]

*opens arms wide*




welcome child....tea? biscuit?


a bible perhaps?:p

[JesusDiedForU]

if one saw this thread on the active thread list and wanted to know a little bit more about christian topics (i know very little myself) does anyone really think that this thread would be welcoming and open?

S
When Christians are just welcoming and opening on this forum they they get no where. Non-believers want proof of the Bible...we give to them.... then they deny it because they don't want to change their sinful lifestyle.

[Genesis]

or non sinful depending on what their belief is :)



*nudges samhain with bible*

[Samhain]

When Christians are just welcoming and opening on this forum they they get no where. Non-believers want proof of the Bible...we give to them.... then they deny it because they don't want to change their sinful lifestyle.

I'm sure theres something about being judgemental in the bible somewhere.
and i have always found that the christians in my life that are loving and welcoming are the ones who get listened too, if you just get peoples backs up you won't get any where

S

[Samhain]

or non sinful depending on what their belief is :)



*nudges samhain with bible*

careful I wouldn't want you to damage the cover

S

[Genesis]

careful I wouldn't want you to damage the cover

S

*retracts*


would you like a pamphlet sir?

or could you offer me your SOUL :X


ahem...




sorry

[JesusDiedForU]

I'm sure theres something about being judgemental in the bible somewhere.
and i have always found that the christians in my life that are loving and welcoming are the ones who get listened too, if you just get peoples backs up you won't get any where

S
ok will you give me the chance to tell you about Jesus Christ and his... wonderful gift of salvation?

[Samhain]

*retracts*


would you like a pamphlet sir?

or could you offer me your SOUL :X


ahem...




sorry


Are you sure your not Satan in disguise your message looks a bit ify to me with that little red face and all, come to think about it I think Jesusdied is too with all the anger in his last message.
oldest trick in the book you know

S

[Samhain]

ok will you give me the chance to tell you about Jesus Christ and his... wonderful gift of salvation?

And are you interested in what the goddess can do for you?

S

[Samhain]

ok will you give me the chance to tell you about Jesus Christ and his... wonderful gift of salvation?

hang on this is yet another judgement your presuming I don't know

S

[JesusDiedForU]

And are you interested in what the goddess can do for you?

S
The Bible only has one God... no godesses

[Samhain]

The Bible only has one God... no godesses

You see if your not interested in what i have to say i'm not interested in what you have to say.
I love my best friend she is a christian and I consider her to be my sister, she does what I believe all christians should do, shows the love that christ had to offer through everything she says and does, and people listen to her.
she would also be the first person to say that pushy people, push people away from christ, if thats not what you want to do, I would suggest that you reflect on your methods of spreading the word, I seriously know of no one in the christian community that would have any respect for the way that you are speaking right now

blessings

S

[JesusDiedForU]

You see if your not interested in what i have to say i'm not interested in what you have to say.
I love my best friend she is a christian and I consider her to be my sister, she does what I believe all christians should do, shows the love that christ had to offer through everything she says and does, and people listen to her.
she would also be the first person to say that pushy people, push people away from christ, if thats not what you want to do, I would suggest that you reflect on your methods of spreading the word, I seriously know of no one in the christian community that would have any respect for the way that you are speaking right now

blessings

S
I was setting you up for this question what is your faith based on?

[Samhain]

I was setting you up for this question what is your faith based on?

My faith is personnal, why are you on this forum is it just to spread the word?

S

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"My faith is personnal, why are you on this forum is it just to spread the word?"

Yes... yes, that is the only reason he's here...

[JesusDiedForU]

My faith is personnal, why are you on this forum is it just to spread the word?

S

This what I am trying to say: I would never believe in a religion that requires Blind faith, that is why I am a Christian. The Bible has proof that it was inspired by God-No other religions can say this. The Bible is what seperates Christianity from all other religions.

[JesusDiedForU]

"My faith is personnal, why are you on this forum is it just to spread the word?"

Yes... yes, that is the only reason he's here...
If you had a cure for cancer would you hide it or would you share it with the world?

[Samhain]

"My faith is personnal, why are you on this forum is it just to spread the word?"

Yes... yes, that is the only reason he's here...

wow stands back from computer seeing block capitals.
you know one day i will learn not to get into an agruement about religion.
to claify i will discuss my religion with people that
A) i feel will respect it even if they don't agree with me
b) and with people who i know won't feel like i am pushing my beliefs on to them, as i think that is so important

S

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusDiedForhisowndamnSelf: "I would never believe in a religion that requires Blind faith, that is why I am a Christian."

Big Bird: (appears outta nowhere) Hey kids! Can you say... "oxymoron"? Say it with me... "O-xy-mo-ron"!

[Samhain]

If you had a cure for cancer would you hide it or would you share it with the world?

I will discuss it with people who i feel will listen and be respectful even if they don't agree, so that counts you out.
secondly my beliefs may be right for me but i don't claim they are right for everyone

S

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

Samhain: "my beliefs may be right for me but i don't claim they are right for everyone"

See, JesusDude... I'm not the only one who feels that way...

[JesusDiedForU]

Samhain: "my beliefs may be right for me but i don't claim they are right for everyone"

See, JesusDude... I'm not the only one who feels that way...
I know infact most of the world feels your way.... "they turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths"

This passage represents most of the people on this forum:

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

-1 Timothy 4:3,4

[Samhain]

Samhain: "my beliefs may be right for me but i don't claim they are right for everyone"

See, JesusDude... I'm not the only one who feels that way...

Are you still shouting your giving me a headache :rolleyes:

S

[Samhain]

I know infact most of the world feels your way.... "they turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths"


note to self; stop argueing about religion.
if i ever find a cure for cancer i will take it to the person that i trust will listen to my ideas and not interrupt me before i reach the second word with views of my own.
to try and discuss my religion with you would demeen it as where your at, at the moment you would never understand, thats not to say you never will, however from our conversation your not any where near there yet

S

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusWasACrossDresser,

Yer bible verse is stupid and inane and doesn't represent me at all... I don't believe what i believe because "it suits my desires"... i believe what i believe because it makes the most sense to me... life hasn't exactly been easy for me after i stopped bein a christian... people in the south are very religious, so i'm not exactly treated like a human being everywhere i go... but my beliefs tell me to be good to people no matter what and that i should only get into a fight if someone else is in danger, not me...

Samhain,

sorry fer yer headache... (hands you a dr. pepper and 2 tylenols)...

buh-bye and peace, man...

[JesusDiedForU]

note to self; stop argueing about religion.
if i ever find a cure for cancer i will take it to the person that i trust will listen to my ideas and not interrupt me before i reach the second word with views of my own.
to try and discuss my religion with you would demeen it as where your at, at the moment you would never understand, thats not to say you never will, however from our conversation your not any where near there yet

S
Is the fact that the Jews are back in Israel today a coincidence?

[JesusDiedForU]

JesusWasACrossDresser,

Yer bible verse is stupid and inane and doesn't represent me at all... I don't believe what i believe because "it suits my desires"... i believe what i believe because it makes the most sense to me... life hasn't exactly been easy for me after i stopped bein a christian... people in the south are very religious, so i'm not exactly treated like a human being everywhere i go... but my beliefs tell me to be good to people no matter what and that i should only get into a fight if someone else is in danger, not me...

Samhain,

sorry fer yer headache... (hands you a dr. pepper and 2 tylenols)...

buh-bye and peace, man...
Where you ever born again?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusCanYouHereMeCanYouFeelMeNearYou,

"Is the fact that the Jews are back in Israel today a coincidence?"

Yes... it is...

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"Where you ever born again?"

Nope, just once about 20 years ago...

[JesusDiedForU]

JesusCanYouHereMeCanYouFeelMeNearYou,

"Is the fact that the Jews are back in Israel today a coincidence?"

Yes... it is...
How about when Jews returned they took Judah first(1948)
and Jerusalem second(1967)

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"How about when Jews returned they took Judah first(1948)
and Jerusalem second(1967)"

Yep... all either a coincidence or added into the bible after it happened...

[JesusDiedForU]

"Where you ever born again?"

Nope, just once about 20 years ago...
Then you never experienced Christian life. Jesus says to enter the kingdom of heaven you must first be born again.

>BORN AGAIN: to be given new spiritual life through Christ; to become a child of God (see John 3).

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it will, and you hear the sound, but can't tell where it comes from, or where it goes; so is every one that is born of the Spirit....

[Samhain]

JesusWasACrossDresser,

Yer bible verse is stupid and inane and doesn't represent me at all... I don't believe what i believe because "it suits my desires"... i believe what i believe because it makes the most sense to me... life hasn't exactly been easy for me after i stopped bein a christian... people in the south are very religious, so i'm not exactly treated like a human being everywhere i go... but my beliefs tell me to be good to people no matter what and that i should only get into a fight if someone else is in danger, not me...

Samhain,

sorry fer yer headache... (hands you a dr. pepper and 2 tylenols)...

buh-bye and peace, man...

Can I have a cherry coke instead, don't like dr pepper. I'm sure theres a message in there some where, about not everyone liking dr pepper??

anyhow i'm gonna stop now as this isn't getting us any where you know.
but you seem pretty cool so if you ever want to p.m please do

S

[JesusDiedForU]

"How about when Jews returned they took Judah first(1948)
and Jerusalem second(1967)"

Yep... all either a coincidence or added into the bible after it happened...
wasnt added into the Bible go check the dead see scrolls you will see it was written even before christ came to the earth..... Now is it a coincidence that the today Israel is surrounded by enemies?

[bandit28]

Samhain,

You are saying that he is being pushy. Well, I say he is defending his and my beliefs. Did he send you an email asking you to come into this forum and post your thoughts? Did I? I don't think anyone pushed you into coming in here. As a matter of fact, all of the debate that goes on in here is between Christians and non Christians. Christians will post something they find interesting relating to God or our faith in some way and sure enough a non Christian will chime in and tell us we are wrong. Then of course we deal with the non Christians who make threads attacking our faith and we feel the need to educate those uninformed people. At times these discusions will go on and on until the non Christian realizes that we will not budge. As a matter of fact, the more riddicule and attacks only strengthen our resolve to stand fast and support The Word of God(amazingly this riddicule is mentioned in The Bible, wow, another prediction).

You attack my brother in Christ and his methods of defending our faith. You use your friends attitude as a proper way a Christian should present himself. Well, I ask you this, actualy no, I point this out. With your friends attitude, have you decided to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior or have you like so many others, denied Him once again? I will assume you have denied Him because of the things you talk about. Therfore, showing that your friends attitude that you so highly admire will not work for everyone. God created each of us for a particular thing to do. I think my brother here has been made a teacher by God, to educate those uninformed. We are all(as Christians) told to spread The Word of God, however, some are much better gifted than others. My father was given the gift of honesty. I was given the gift of leadership. My wife compassion. We each serve God and we each have our purposes according to His wishes.

As far as the cure for cancer question, well, your true nature shines through your answer. You said you woud deny the cure to my brother here. Well, as a Christian we feel Jesus is the cure and we want to share this cure with the world. You yourself make the decision to recieve this cure, it is not forced upon you. You may in your lifetime get offered this cure several times. To me it can be no clearer. Imagine you owning a car that is slowly needing replacement. First you notice the oil is leaking, but you don't replace the car yet. Then you notice the transmission is slipping, but you don't replace it yet. Your tires are worn out, but you don't replace it yet. Before you know it, you have put off getting a different car for so long it one day just dies on you, and now, you are totaly without a car. Well, we are your engine light telling you something is wrong. You can ignore it or you can fix it. If you ignore it, at some point it will be too late.

Take this information however you choose. Just remeber, you came in here amd now you have been educated. Would you like the cure? Or will you pass it up one more time?

[JesusDiedForU]

glad to see ya bandit

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

Samhain: "Can I have a cherry coke instead, don't like dr pepper. I'm sure theres a message in there some where, about not everyone liking dr pepper??"

Lol... no man, there's no message... i was jest bein' nice... (tosses you an ice cold cherry coke) buh-bye and peace, man...

[Samhain]

Samhain,



I like discussions not being preached at, as such I didn't bother to read your post, goodnight

S

[Samhain]

Samhain: "Can I have a cherry coke instead, don't like dr pepper. I'm sure theres a message in there some where, about not everyone liking dr pepper??"

Lol... no man, there's no message... i was jest bein' nice... (tosses you an ice cold cherry coke) buh-bye and peace, man...

I feel sorry leaving you with these people do you think youll be ok?

S

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

Samhain,

I've been dealin' with JesusDude since he got here and i still have my principles... i'll be fine...:sunglasse

[Samhain]

Samhain,

I've been dealin' with JesusDude since he got here and i still have my principles... i'll be fine...:sunglasse

ok see you later i hope we get the chance to do this again its been a hoot!
S

[bandit28]

It figures she would be a coward and avoid a conversasion. I was not preachign to you, I just wanted to makesure there was no confusion as to whom I was speaking to. You can run away if you like, I have seen it in other frauds before.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusWantsYouForTheUSArmy,

As i have no desire whatsoever to be christian what makes you think i have any desire to be born-again... and don't worry... stoopid ol' me does know what "born-again" means... or do i... well, you seem t' know more about me and my life than i do, so why don't you tell me... do i have any god-damned clue what "born again" means?

PS: Sorry if i offended any other christians with my "god-damn"... buh-bye and peace, man...

[Samhain]

It figures she would be a coward and avoid a conversasion. I was not preachign to you, I just wanted to makesure there was no confusion as to whom I was speaking to. You can run away if you like, I have seen it in other frauds before.

make any assumptions about me that you like

S

[bandit28]

Well there ya go showtime, why are you here then? Again another non Christian that has come in here to attack our faith. Go away demon, you are not wanted here.

[JesusDiedForU]

JesusWantsYouForTheUSArmy,

As i have no desire whatsoever to be christian what makes you think i have any desire to be born-again... and don't worry... stoopid ol' me does know what "born-again" means... or do i... well, you seem t' know more about me and my life than i do, so why don't you tell me... do i have any god-damned clue what "born again" means?

PS: Sorry if i offended any other christians with my "god-damn"... buh-bye and peace, man...
You said that you were a christian.... but a true christian must be born again. You choose wether you believe in god or not. You are as stubborn as the guy was in my signiture...well untill he actually seek for the truth... but like you said "you dont care"

[Samhain]

Well there ya go showtime, why are you here then? Again another non Christian that has come in here to attack our faith. Go away demon, you are not wanted here.

how old are you exactly, didn't your mom ever teach you about name calling?
S

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

bandit,

I'm here for th' bitches and beer...

No wait... i'm thinkin' of sumfin' else... oh well, who cares...

And don't call me a demon... please...

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

JesusDude: "You said that you were a christian.... but a true christian must be born again."

True... i was raised christian... but all my life i've been an atheist... therefore... sorry, never been born-again... turned it down when it was offered to me... and i'm turning it down here, too...

[Veritas]

Christianity is an illusion created by god to decieve you and turn us humans into dust.

[JesusDiedForU]

JesusDude: "You said that you were a christian.... but a true christian must be born again."

True... i was raised christian... but all my life i've been an atheist... therefore... sorry, never been born-again... turned it down when it was offered to me... and i'm turning it down here, too...
God gave us free will... the freedom to choose to believe in him or not. You choose to not believe and that is your choice.

[JesusDiedForU]

Christianity is an illusion created by god to decieve you and turn us humans into dust.
So the Bible is an Illusion?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"God gave us free will... the freedom to choose to believe in him or not. You choose to not believe and that is your choice."

Hey! Now we're gettin' somewhere! Just 3 million more posts and you almost begin to somewhat understand where i'm comming from!

Give yerself a star sticker on yer paper...

[JesusDiedForU]

"God gave us free will... the freedom to choose to believe in him or not. You choose to not believe and that is your choice."

Hey! Now we're gettin' somewhere! Just 3 million more posts and you almost begin to somewhat understand where i'm comming from!

Give yerself a star sticker on yer paper...
I'm not holding a gun to your head and forcing you to believe. I always knew you had the choice. But when I start saying the Bible is true and throwing out the facts your only defense is: "Stop forcing your religion on me"

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"But when I start saying the Bible is true and throwing out the facts your only defense is: "Stop forcing your religion on me""

Oh yeah, i'm being toatally unreasonable... accusing you of forcing yer religion on me when all yer really doing is "showing me the truth that i ignore 'cuz i'm scared and ignorant"... oh yeah, big difference... my bad!

Big Bird: (appears outta nowhere) Hey kids! Can you say... "sarcasm"? Say it with me... "Sar-ca-sm"!

[JesusDiedForU]

Showtime/Redneck-Bud

"Oh yeah, i'm being toatally unreasonable... accusing you of forcing yer religion on me when all yer really doing is "showing me the truth that i ignore 'cuz i'm scared and ignorant"...

-You reading my mind?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"You reading my mind?"


Yes actually... I am...


You really need to stop thinking about Pokemon that much... and no, that rash isn't gonna go away if you just leave it alone, get some topical cream or sumfin'... oh, and don't eat at the Wendy's on 4th and Main next Friday... trust me...:p

[bandit28]

Showtime, why don't you just leve? It would seem you have made up your mind. Quit being childish. You poke fun at his name, you say nothing inteligent at all. You avoid havign a serious cnversation. You can't even answer a qustion seriously. So leave. Go away. Your choice has been made. Ahhh, but you can't...in your lonely life with that void you are seeking attention. Well, I promise you this, that void won't be filled here. That void won't be filled until you decide to take God seriously. So I challenge you showtime. I challenge you to leave and not come back here. You claim you are the wiser and the stronger and to have seen Christianity as something that does not agree with you. So leave, nothing here for you. See ya later.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

banditwashisname-o...

1. "Quit being childish... you say nothing inteligent at all. You avoid havign a serious cnversation. You can't even answer a qustion seriously." That's all yer opinion, dude... jest 'cuz i don't act stone-cold serious all the time doesn't mean i'm not takin' things seriously... i'm jest avoidin' stress...
2. I've stopped poking fun at his name...
3. I am not seeking attention by staying around when i'm not wanted... i have taken part in a debate with JesusDude... and what can i say... i just can't back down from a good debate...
4. "You claim you are the wiser and the stronger..." when did I say that? i have said on more than one occasion that "i might be wrong"... JesusDude, however, won't admit that at all... and that's why i'm still "arguing" with him...
5. I appreciate you not calling me "demon" this time around...
6. Don't challenge me... that's jest childish...
7. Hope i didn't offend you... and sorry yer post didn't make me cry like you probly hoped... buh-bye and peace, man...

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

Oh yeah... and to quote you, bandit...

"all of the debate that goes on in here is between Christians and non Christians. Christians will post something they find interesting relating to God or our faith in some way and sure enough a non Christian will chime in and tell us we are wrong. Then of course we deal with the non Christians who make threads attacking our faith and we feel the need to educate those uninformed people."

Please explain to me why us non-christians don't have the right to do that? 'cuz when i see a thread in the "christian" folder called "yet another nightmare for atheists", my natural curiosity is gonna make me wanna see what a christians idea of a nightmare for me is... this kinda makes you a hypocrite, dude...

buh-bye and peace, man...

[Samhain]

Oh yeah... and to quote you, bandit...

"all of the debate that goes on in here is between Christians and non Christians. Christians will post something they find interesting relating to God or our faith in some way and sure enough a non Christian will chime in and tell us we are wrong. Then of course we deal with the non Christians who make threads attacking our faith and we feel the need to educate those uninformed people."

Please explain to me why us non-christians don't have the right to do that? 'cuz when i see a thread in the "christian" folder called "yet another nightmare for atheists", my natural curiosity is gonna make me wanna see what a christians idea of a nightmare for me is... this kinda makes you a hypocrite, dude...

buh-bye and peace, man...

I have to agree, also I don't think I personnally attacked anyone on here.
i'm interested in open sharing of ideas, i closed down when it was obovouis that no one was interested in my thoughts.
i think i did quite a good job of being reasonable seeing as i was told from the outset i was in the wrong.
i would like to learn more about peoples ideas of christianty and i think this is possible without people telling me i am wrong.
in fact i know it is because i have open and sharing conversations all the time.
the title of this post more or less invites non christians to comment, then just because we don't agree we are told to get out.
i actually think Jesus would have had a lot more patience and compassion

S

[bandit28]

Showtime, please show me where I said you don't have the right to complain or otherwise cause trouble or even question our beliefs? Sorry, you won't find it anywhere. What I am sayign to you is this. You have made your point and your choice. I see that in your past posts you lack the ability to be serious and attempt to take the threads off topic. You are immature in your posts and to be honest, it is annoying. Before you come back and tell me that Jesus would be patient, I am not Jesus, I am human, therfore I am not perfect. You have stated your opinion or lack of one and continue to poke fun at our faith. I simply challenged you to stop and leave.

If Samhain would have addressed my last post to him/her then I would be more than happy to reply to this one. However, because he/she lacks the ability to hold a conversation, I shall ignore her until she comments on said post.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

bandit,

1. by insulting my intelligence and calling me a "demon" 'cuz i don't agree with you give the impression you don't want me to respond anymore, which gives the impression you don't think i should give my input on the issue...
2. not that i need to prove anything to you, but i am very much capable of holding a serious conversation... but when the people i'm "arguing" with won't even admit that there's even a slight chance they might be wrong, it's very hard for me to take them seriously...
3. I never said anything about "Jesus having patience"... and Jesus was a man too... and as a man, he was nowhere near perfect...
4. by the way "I am not Jesus, I am human, therfore I am not perfect.", that's yer excuse for not being mature and excepting the very idea that you might be wrong, isn't it?...
5. i do have opinions... when i say "i don't care", i'm mean "i don't care if there's a god or not"... that does not mean i am incapable of having opinions involving religion, though...
6. if you'd appreciate it if i don't poke fun at yer faith, all you need do is ASK me to stop... try it, i respond quite well to manners...

buh-bye and peace, man...

[Genesis]

both christians and on-christians alike have a right to be here.

and it is unfair of either to insult the other for opinion.


it isn't necessary or very kind.

[JesusDiedForU]

both christians and on-christians alike have a right to be here.

and it is unfair of either to insult the other for opinion.


it isn't necessary or very kind.
O.K. then please don't say that we are forcing our religion on you(not saying that you have) but many have in this Christian forum.

[Samhain]

O.K. then please don't say that we are forcing our religion on you(not saying that you have) but many have in this Christian forum.

you asked me wether i was willing to listen to the words of christ, and when i tried to talk about my religion, you said there are no godess's found in the bible, i think thats pretty forceful

S

[Samhain]

both christians and on-christians alike have a right to be here.

and it is unfair of either to insult the other for opinion.


it isn't necessary or very kind.

I completely agree, ive seen both christians and non christians doing it on this site and on this thread, and name calling and the like is very demeening towards christianity, its very sad we can't have a discussion without people being called demons.

S

[Samhain]

If Samhain would have addressed my last post to him/her then I would be more than happy to reply to this one. However, because he/she lacks the ability to hold a conversation, I shall ignore her until she comments on said post.

i'm quite happy to be ignored by anyone, you may find however that you may accidently answer one of my posts, to avoid this place me on your ignore list its easier

S

[Genesis]

O.K. then please don't say that we are forcing our religion on you(not saying that you have) but many have in this Christian forum.

yeah i think both sides have been demons in their own ways.




just seems so pointless.


in fact we've been demons with people who are of the same beliefs too and it isn't necessary.


well....we'll all learn someday.

but till then one can only try eh?

[Samhain]

Well there ya go showtime, why are you here then? Again another non Christian that has come in here to attack our faith. Go away demon, you are not wanted here.

I would like to say to Gensis that you seem to have a good level head on your shoulders.
it true that ive made some jokes on here that haven't been in the best taste, however it is lucky that i have loving and compassionate christian friends in my life, because i think the above post is aggresive and nasty and would over wise make me want to run as far away from christianty as possible.

S

[JesusDiedForU]

I would like to say to Gensis that you seem to have a good level head on your shoulders.
it true that ive made some jokes on here that haven't been in the best taste, however it is lucky that i have loving and compassionate christian friends in my life, because i think the above post is aggresive and nasty and would over wise make me want to run as far away from christianty as possible.

S
Read some of showtimes post and you'll become a Christian

[Genesis]

not as level as i would like it to be but we can only try eh? :)


you're quite fortunate in that sense. i am the only christian amongst many of my friends..if not all and spend most of the time having to defend christianity from ignorant claims that are made. it makes it somewhat difficult to be around them sometimes as some do not believe that belief is a personal right and being religious makes you a moron. having people that think your a moron for a belief can be hard but what is one to do.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"Read some of showtimes post and you'll become a Christian"

I don't get it...

[Genesis]

i think he means your the complete opposite to him?

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"i think he means your the complete opposite to him?"

Ah, i see... that's what i thought... oh well...

[Genesis]

ah right.

he can probably elaborate on it more. but i think that would seem sarcasticly fitting seen as your always in discussion with eachother.

[Showtime/Redneck-Bud]

"sarcasticly fitting"

One of the very few downsides to dropping out of high school is I don't know what phrases like that mean:p

oh well, long live frank zappa, buh-bye and peace, man...

[Genesis]

oh sorry :&

[Samhain]

Read some of showtimes post and you'll become a Christian
lol thats the funniest thing you've said on this thread. if thats the case then I think you should be encouraging him topost as much as possible

S