Black Tar Herion

[Shocbomb]

Just Curious-Hear in New York and most of the East coast there is only powder Herion, China White. I was wondering what is Black Tar herion like compared to Powder ? How is it sold and what are the prices, and how to you fix a hit of it. I have always wondered what black Tar is like ?

[kidsmoke]

I'm pretty sure black tar is opium.

[Shocbomb]

Opium is opium, Black Tar Herion is not Opium it is Herion, that is made in south America manily, Powder Herion is made in South East Asia and the Middle East. I know about black Tar Herion but I don't know nothing about how it is sold, How to use it, The Cost, etc I have always been curious about it !

[Psychadelic Dan]

black tar is heroin #3, the lowest grade h you can buy. lots of people smoke it or mainline it like #1 and #2 h but it is sometimes really nasty shit.

[Shocbomb]

So Dan pretty much Black Tar Herion is Herion that is not broken down as muh as powdered Herion ? I have heard some pretty nasty shit about it, Like it is very easy to get bad abses from it and there are alot of impurities in it that do real bad damage to your veins ?

[stonerman420]

black tar is heroin #3, the lowest grade h you can buy. lots of people smoke it or mainline it like #1 and #2 h but it is sometimes really nasty shit.im just curious, and this might be a dumb question, but what would be the other 2 grades of dope you can get? id guess one of them would be china white but what would be the other and what order would they go in?

[Skratch]

the tar is everywhere down here

gawd almighty it tastes like shit when you smoke it and leaves some nasty looking yellow blotches on your arm after you inject it

it is indeed shit
but its all we got

[AWITCHCALLEDWONDER]

Yeah, we only get the powder shit here in the UK (well in my area anyway) and I've also heard the Black Tar shit leaves some nasty abscess' on your arms, etc. not good. Then again, I've also heard it can be quite strong too, but I suppose that's like any drug.

[Danklord420]

black tar is heroin #3, the lowest grade h you can buy. lots of people smoke it or mainline it like #1 and #2 h but it is sometimes really nasty shit.
You got it backwards, dude.

read this:
to extract morphine you put the "pod putty" into a clean drum with the
appropriate amount of water. Raise the temp. until reaching optimum
temp. As the "pod putty" redissolves in the heated water more
impurities will float to the top. These are skimmed off and
discarded.At optimum temp. calcium hydroxide in the form of slaked lime
or a high lime content fertilizer is added to leech the alkaloids. the
lime converts the water insoluble morhine alkaloid into the water
soluble calcium morphenate. The other alkaloids do not react with the
calcium to form water soluble calcium salts as does morphine. codeine
is an alkaloid that is slightly water soluble and as such some residual
codeine will be carried over into the calcium morphenate in liquid. For
the most part, all other alkaloids will be carries over into the
sludge.

As the solution cools the morphine solution is scooped from the drum
and pured in small portions through a burlap rice or coffee sack used
as a filter. At times, liquid saponated cresol [Lysol] is added to the
solution to facilitate filtering. The morphine solution is pressed from
the filter/sacks upon finishing the pouring off in order to obtain as
much of the yield as possible.

the morphine solution is divided into enamel cooking pots and reheated,
but not boiled. Alkalinity is adjusted to pH 8.5 by adding ammonium
chloride powder to the solution. the pots are then allowed to cool.
Within 1 to 2 hours morphine base crashes [precipitates] out of the
solution and settles on the bottom of the pots.

the solution is again poured off through burlap filters. This time
chunks of morphine base will be left in the filters as the solution
filters through. The morphine base is removed from both the pot and the
filter cloth, wrapped in clean burlap and squeezed to dryness and then
sun dried. upon drying the crude morphine base is coffee colored and
coarse powdered. Depending on the set up it is either pressed into
blocks for transport to off site labs for further refinement or is left
as is to be refined on site.

This crude base is sometimes further refined into morphine
hydrochloride by dissolving in hot water and hydrochloric acid.
Activated charcoal [bone charcoal] is added and the solution is
reheated and then finally filtered. This filtering is repeated several
times and the solution is finally allowed to cool. As the solution
cools the morphine hydrochloride precipitates out of the solution and
settles onto the bottom of the vessel. This precipitate is trapped
[captured] via filtration. Again, it may be pressed into bricks for
transport or left as is for on site refinement.The process takes a full
day.

The next step is the conversion of the morphine base [or hcl.] to
heroin base. This step is simple and inexpensive and not altogether
time consuming only taking from 4 to 6 hours tops.

The morphine base [or hcl.] is thoroughly pulverized and placed into an
enamel cooking pot. A glacial acetic acid is added [usually acetic
anhydride] and a wet rag is placed over the top of the pot to act as a
crude gasket. Over the rag the pot's lid is placed firmly on the pot.
The lid is clamped firmly on [or tied on] and the pot is heated for 2
hours at a constant temp. of 85 degrees C. [185 F.]. The temp is
absolutely crucial. The pot must never be allowed to boil or it risks
exploding. During this heating the pot is periodically agitated by
tilting and swirling to ensure a total dissolution of the morphine.
After 2 hours the pot is cooled by letting stand and carefully opened.
The morphine has bonded with the the acid to form heroin acetate (heroin #1).

The next step is to refine the acetate to base. Water is added to the
heroin acetate which will be a thick, soup like mixture. this mixture
is stirred as the heroin acetate dissolves. Take a clean pot. Fill with
hot water and then add sodium carbonate in crystalline powder form
until dissolved thoroughly in the water.This carbonate solution is
then added very slowly to the heroin solution until effervescence
ceases. This will precipitate the heroin base which is then filtered
and dried via steam bath. The heroin base will be tan colored and about
70% pure. this heroin base is either packed for transport to an off
site refining lab or left as is. this base is known as "Heroin # 2."

The next step is to refine it to a commercial product. In most parts of
the world that would simply be the brown heroin known as "Heroin # 3"
but in S.E. Asia they often refine it as much as possible to " Heroin #
4" which is a fine white powder and currently the best illicit heroin
in the world.

For # 3 the # 2 is mixed with hydrochloric acid, resulting in heroin
hydrochloride. # 3 is made for smoking so they usually add some
dilutents and adulterants towards that goal. For each kilogram of # 2 a
kilogram of caffeine is used. Optionally strychnine hcl. and/or quinine
hcl. are used as well. This wet paste is heated via a steam bath. A t
times upoon drying barbitone is added as a potentiator before
distribution.The dried product will be large lumps of granular dark
brown powder. This is usually crushed and put through a sieve so that
the yield resembles grains of rice. This is then distributed. it takes
8 hours for 1 person to refine 1 kilo of # 3.

# 4 is usually refined directly from acetate as opposed to the
intermediate base [# 2 ]. To the heroin acetate in the pot, add water
and stir thoroughly. Next add a small amount of chloroform and again
stir. This will dissolve all the colored impurities which will be left
in a red, greasy sludge that covers the bottom and side of the pot. The
aqueous layer is carefully poured off into a clean pot, leaving the red
sludge behind for discarding. In the clean pot activated charcoal is
stirred into the aquous solution and is then filtered to remove solid
impurities. The decolorizing and filtering of the chloroform and
charcoal will leave a light yellow solution. the charcoal is repeatedly
applied until the liquid is colorless.

In a seperate container sodium carbonate in a crystalline powder is
added to hot water and dissolved. This added slowly to the heroin
solution until the effervescence ceases. This precipitates the heroin
base which is then filtered, then dried via steam bath. Upon drying the
powder should be very white. If not white the powder is redissolved in
diluted acid, treated as necessary with activated charcoal,
reprecipitated and dried. The ultimate purity and colr of the heroin
hcl. is dependant on the initial quality of the heroin base.

The heroin base is then dissolved in ethyl ether. Hydrochloric acid in
ethanol is added to the heroin mixture to convert the base to a slat
which then precipitates. The mixture becomes almost totally solid after
an hour. It is then filtered and the solids are collected onto a filter
paper. The clean filter paper is then wrapped around the crystals and
placed on wooden trays, usually over lime rock to dry. The yield is 85
to 95% pure heroin hcl. in a very fine, very white odorless powder.


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I love H4.

[Vali]

Just Curious-Hear in New York and most of the East coast there is only powder Herion, China White. I was wondering what is Black Tar herion like compared to Powder ? How is it sold and what are the prices, and how to you fix a hit of it. I have always wondered what black Tar is like ?
Im not an H user but isnt china white α-methylfentanyl.

[evil i 13]

tar that i used to get was great, i need to make a trip NE

[acga5]

tar is actually the worst form of heroin you can get, the best being ( i forgot the brand name) but its from south afghanistan and its very pure and white with pictures of scorpions on the package, its made right in afghanistan so its not cut in asian countries but shipped right to NA/europe

[evil i 13]

^ that's not neccesarily set in stone IMO. but i'm not by ANY means an H connosieur. just sort of chip when it's around.

[Oxyrisin2]

So Dan pretty much Black Tar Herion is Herion that is not broken down as muh as powdered Herion ? I have heard some pretty nasty shit about it, Like it is very easy to get bad abses from it and there are alot of impurities in it that do real bad damage to your veins ?

Ya tar is pretty nasty and dirty. I would really like to try the powder you all get over on the East coast. Then again maybe not. The addict in me would really take over.
But to all of you guys over on the west coast that do tar I have a question..
I've only done it a hand full of times. and I snort it. How much should be equal to an 80mg Oxy. I get grams for 30 bucks, and only do 1/2 of it at a time. never really got me to feeling like I've done 80mgs of oxy. and have you compared it to the powder on the east coast.

[Eagles06]

So tell me again, what # H we do up here in the northeast? Out west the tar is # 2? Most of the off white or tan or brownish powder we get over here is # 3, and sometimes if we get really good shit, a white powder is # 4? And obviously 4 > 3 > 2 ?

[weallhumalong]

And obviously 4 > 3 > 2 ?

I'm not sure if this is correct, but it might be. No need to thank me for the informative post.

[blitz7341]

Ya tar is pretty nasty and dirty. I would really like to try the powder you all get over on the East coast. Then again maybe not. The addict in me would really take over.
But to all of you guys over on the west coast that do tar I have a question..
I've only done it a hand full of times. and I snort it. How much should be equal to an 80mg Oxy. I get grams for 30 bucks, and only do 1/2 of it at a time. never really got me to feeling like I've done 80mgs of oxy. and have you compared it to the powder on the east coast.

ive only done heroin twice and it was white/off white powder from new jersey. i would say that one bag of H = ~20mg oxy. i thinks its different for eveybody. i know people who say heroin is 10X better than oxy. i also know people who say that cant even tell the difference. ive even met a couple people who prefer oxy. personally i find them to be similar. i think H is a little more relaxing. i never really got to where i wanted to be when i did H, i guess i would say that H has a higher addiction potential because of being cheaper and that i think it makes you crave it more.

idk im not being helpful sorry. i like em both. opiates are all good to me.

[china_white]

Ive always heard a bag of powder is equal to a OC80

[-beatnick]

^ well see, thats the thing. it really varies with dope, it could be dogshit, it could be fucking straight off the boat from afghanistan. you can never tell until you try.

most dope i've had was like 40mgs of OC to 80mgs.

but dope is much, much better than OC if its good dope.

[NICU97203]

I watched a special on MSNBC called "Heroin, Inc" that was done by Al Roker. There was also another special, "Generation RX," that he did and it was mentioned in these forums a few weeks ago. The white powder heroin, or "china white," that is found on the East Coast is actually coming mostly from Colombia these days. I was surprised to hear that but it does make sense because when I lived in North Carolina all we got was black tar and brown powder and then all of a sudden, white powder is everywhere. I always thought that the strongest white powder came from Southeast Asia but now the purest white powder is coming from Colombia. You can go to MSNBC's website and check out both of the documentaries and I also read some DEA Reports online that talked about the huge influx of white powder heroin from Colombia which has really picked up since 9/11. Anyways, thought you guys might find this interesting.



-NICU

[Oxyrisin2]

Ive always heard a bag of powder is equal to a OC80

I guess thats one of the things I'm trying to figure out. What does a bag weigh??
And I know quality is all different but just trying to get a ball park figure, cause at the moment an 8 ball of tar can equal and 80mg Oxy. IDK, Thats why I'm here ..:D

[Robbie883]

I guess thats one of the things I'm trying to figure out. What does a bag weigh??
And I know quality is all different but just trying to get a ball park figure, cause at the moment an 8 ball of tar can equal and 80mg Oxy. IDK, Thats why I'm here ..:D

My bags usually weigh about .2 or so, for 20 dollars worth. And it just depends what its cut with on how high you get from one, like you mentioned. But on average, I'd say if your tolerance is low then probably close to 50 or 60mg of Oxy rather than 80. But, that obviously goes down as you do it more often.

Nasty story about black tar heroin though lol... One day when I was looking to get high, and my normal hookup who has powder, whom is ALWAYS good, was on vacation down in Myrtle Beach. Anyways, I was in the car with my dude from work and he calls this other guy, who buys his shit from the Mexicans, so I figured it was gonna be tar and it was. Anyways, I ALWAYS snort my H, I don't smoke it and I'm not interested in slamming it. So, what I did was take a half pop can and put some water in it and the little tar ball, and I took a sharpie with the cap and squished it and it all dissolved in the water after rubbing it around a bit. Then I took a straw and snorted the liquid, and let me tell you, that was some rancid shit. I got nice and high, but it was fucking discussing. lol

[Oxyrisin2]

^^^HAHA, Thats how I do it. I disolve it in a spoon then suck it up with a neddleless syringe, Then snort it into each nostril, Making sure that I don't snort it to far up the nose...
Don't want that shit going down my throat. YUK!!!


So a half a gram is like roughly 60 to 80 mgs of Oxy..

[smokeybear2]

black tar was way better than any fuckin powder ive ever done, i was hooked on tar for 2 years man...its all shit though in my opinion...


and to the dude above me if thats true yall get shittty fuckin heroin, cause 2 oc 80s equal one 20 dollar baloon of tar

[Oxyrisin2]

[QUOTE=smokeybear2;5373604
and to the dude above me if thats true yall get shittty fuckin heroin, cause 2 oc 80s equal one 20 dollar baloon of tar[/QUOTE]

Thats not what I said. I'm trying to figure out what it is.
So how much is a 20 dollar baloon weigh..
I just got a call, and I'm on my way to pick up a gram of tar herion..
Cool. haven't done it in awhile..

So smokeybear,
what on average should a 1/2 gram equal to Oc's.
thats .5 of a gram so should that equal about 4 oc 80's??????
Thats what I want to know..

[Robbie883]

black tar was way better than any fuckin powder ive ever done, i was hooked on tar for 2 years man...its all shit though in my opinion...


and to the dude above me if thats true yall get shittty fuckin heroin, cause 2 oc 80s equal one 20 dollar baloon of tar


You probably shot up too, which would make the same amount feel a lot better than snorting.

[Poppy Planter]

It is very difficult, if not impossible to compare heroin in general to any corresponding amount of OC 80s. Every dealer's 10's and 20's will be different. Very rarely do the corner boys actually bother to weigh out their stamp bags, unless you happen to be buying grams (called tickets around DC). A ticket of powder will range from 125-175, although unfortunately it's been at the higher end of that range lately, although that's probably because I get my dope delivered to my house instead of going out on the corner to cop. Don't think just because someone says a 20 bag is like doing a 20 mg OC that it will feel that way for you! Everyone has different tolerances to different chemicals, and every bag of heroin , when examined chemically, will be nearly as different as DNA.

I'm not saying don't try it, just be responsible when dosing yourself. Don't dump a gram on the table and sniff it up in a half hour!!!!! Altho it does feel amazing!

PS: I've only ever seen powder H around DC area, despite our heavy and diverse latino population. Never seen tar before in real life and frankly I'm glad because it sounds like a nasty drug. I'd probly stick to 80's rather than fuck with tar.

[Slingblade]

i had a stamp and lemme tell ya... 2 tiny ass bumps had me feelin like i took an 80. but more sedating, more nodding, and def more euphoric. that bag did last me over 2 days. H = king. I would say .3 = 160mg oxy IMO.

[china_white]

haha just go slow and ull be fine risin,
im still trying to find that H
and stoked to try it down in MEXICO!!!!!!!!

[smokejumper]

im a recent user, and i know im too young to be using but man its fucking hard to kick. anyway, i know what i got over in ohio aint black tar, but i aint sure if its china white cuz its a fine yet chalky powder but is a light yellowsh brown color...what would dat be?

[InstantGratification]

^^^HAHA, Thats how I do it. I disolve it in a spoon then suck it up with a neddleless syringe, Then snort it into each nostril, Making sure that I don't snort it to far up the nose...
Don't want that shit going down my throat. YUK!!!


So a half a gram is like roughly 60 to 80 mgs of Oxy..

That's what I do, and I love the taste!
Gram for $50, does me in and my tolerance is up there.
I have gone from Opana and Dilaudid to pretty much just H. It is cheaper and I don't use as much.

[orele]

im just curious, and this might be a dumb question, but what would be the other 2 grades of dope you can get? id guess one of them would be china white but what would be the other and what order would they go in?

The grading system for illicit heroin was developed as a law enforcement tool. the grades are: #1 is actually morphine
#2 is heroin freebase
#3 is heroin and an admixture of other active and inactive ingredients to make it conducive for smoking, prepared as such at the point of manufacture
#4 is injection ready heroin in hcl form

A couple of notes: A] Tar Heroin does not fall into any of the numbered grades but, for all intensive purposes is #4, although it is not in hcl form
B] #3 contains, almost always, caffeine in almost 50% porportions, quinine, and often phenobrabitone od benzos, strycchnine,

[TokeTrip]

A couple of notes: A] Tar Heroin does not fall into any of the numbered grades but, for all intensive purposes is #4, although it is not in hcl form
B] #3 contains, almost always, caffeine in almost 50% porportions, quinine, and often phenobrabitone od benzos, strycchnine,

Don't talk if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And where the fuck did you read that # heroin system? #2 is heroin freebase? What...?


Tar can be anywhere from shitty as fuck to better than whats called china white. Swim was driving to indianapolis for white powder that was at least double the purity by weight of any of the shit i'd tried from either the west or south side of chicago. Swim recently found a better hookkup in columbus who has tar the same purity as the white powder from indy.

[Oxyrisin2]

^^^wHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THIS SWIM SHIT.
yOU kNOw how stupid you sound..:banghead::dupe:

[Feelings 0f U4ia is Back!]

^^^wHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THIS SWIM SHIT.
yOU kNOw how stupid you sound..:banghead::dupe:

I've tried arguing with people who do it, but they just continue to do it. Like cops/parents/forum members don't understand the lingo yet or something....

And like they think that would ACTUALLY protect them is the best part.

[orele]

Don't talk if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. And where the fuck did you read that # heroin system? #2 is heroin freebase? What...?



You don't know what a freebase is? It's basically the heroin in it's purest form, something that is unsmokable and that's why the other grades are present.
I didn't read that heroin grading system anywhere, I saw it in a documentry about heroin from Afghanistan.
If you read what I typed I never said tar was good or bad but it's graded as 4, I'm sure if you search the net you can find similar info.

[KingGeorgeIII]

theres a lot of misinformation in this thread.
The only grade level I can tell you I know for sure is #4, the high purity stuff.
I have only had what I assume to be #4, intranasally it was 2-4 times as potent as oxycodone. it will typically burn, smell/taste like vinegar, etc.

[TokeTrip]

I've tried arguing with people who do it, but they just continue to do it. Like cops/parents/forum members don't understand the lingo yet or something....

And like they think that would ACTUALLY protect them is the best part.


I do it because it makes me feel better about posting shit. That's it. Nothing more. I hardly think that they could get a search warrant on hearsay from the internet, but it's a witchunt these days and it can't hurt. Yup, thats what it comes down to. It can't hurt.

[p0ppie]

ive shot both black tar and powder dope...and..ive found that depending upon the quality of the dope, both can be as good or as bad as the other.

[p0ppie]

And to Toke..

If you are a drug user, especially a junkie, your human rights can be violated in ANY way the authorities deem fit so..type what you want dear..fuck what anyone else says.

[TokeTrip]

ive shot both black tar and powder dope...and..ive found that depending upon the quality of the dope, both can be as good or as bad as the other.


That was essentially my point. But you said it better. I use, but I don't think of myself as a junkie, just a dopehead. Shit, the only time i've been sick since 2 years ago was when I went to jail up in NY. I feel since I keep my shit together (started going to OSU just after I turned 17, and I'm still taking one class short of a full-time) and working full time as a supervisor (past 3 months I've been working at a call center, just got promoted), before that I was a night manager at taco bell. I don't rob people or rip them off, I'm just your average college kid who's working fulltime and happens to do dope. I don't drink or do coke or adderall or tweak, just candy flip / roll / do k at festivals. I also feel that a junkie is someone who sacrifices their values or life for dope.

[Slingblade]

Addict - someone who is physiologically dependent on a substance; abrupt deprivation of the substance produces withdrawal symptoms

Junkie - See above, but also will steal kill and maim to get said fix.

[afadingskye]

black tar was the first type of heroine i did. Then came china white and all the powder.
If you inject the powder has so much better of a high and a great rush. The Black Tar was amazing to dont get me wrong but it wasen't as chill.
Your just high alot longer.
I did 3 shots in an hour and i was good for 7

[bekyboo52]

...i wouldnt try it to begin with........ but it great to read your posts lol