Should I do Ayahuasca before trying smoking DMT?

[cechmangoal1]

Hello everyone,

I have never tried either ayahuasca or smoked DMT but am fully aware of the effects from reading trip reports (or at least as aware as a trip report can make me). I've done salvia and they're supposed to be similar trips in intensity. I'm not sure whether I should get an idea of DMT by smoking it, or just go all the way with Ayahuasca, as the trip will be just as intense but longer. What's the best thing to do?
Peacefulness,
Steven

[branflakes]

Haha, I just saw your post of this on facebook.

(sorry, can't answer)

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I'd recommend trying Ayahuasca first, but smoking would probably work. Smoking it is very tricky, and if you mess up and take too much for your first time you will fuck yourself over. Plus, obtaining a source for smokable DMT is much harder. The come-up for Ayahuasca is much gentler, and the "launch" from smoking might scare you.

SALVIA IS NOT AT ALL SIMILAR TO DMT!!!! WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THIS?! THEY ARE ABOUT AS DIFFERENT AS DRUGS COULD POSSIBLY GET. One is a psychedelic tryptamine, and the other is a disassociative. Totally different.

Also, you said the trip will be as intense but longer. That isn't really true, although it's completely dependent on dosage. If you take Ayahuasca you should probably take a smaller dose than if you smoke it, because the smoked dose is so short it makes an extremely intense trip more tolerable, and if you have a bad trip you won't be stuck in hell for quite as long (although time is meaningless on DMT).

[polymer]

..salvia and dmt..they're on different sides of the psyche expanse.

do ayahuasca for a longer, deeply introspective trip. jump in the freebase flash if you're crazy brave. I imagine it's a quick ride that seems like eternity.

[cechmangoal1]

I compared salvia to it because it's the only thing that I've done which has made me almost instantly go from this reality to a much different one. The DMT flash seems similar in that respect. I think I will do Ayahuasca just because I enjoy a longer build. Salvia did tend to rattle me a bit due to the strength of it.


Can anyone give a few suggestions about how to make the most out of an ayahuasca trip? There's tons of research available but in addition first hand accounts are good. Thanks again.

Peace,
Steven

[INSANEPOOKIE]

This is coming from someone who has not tried either:

If you are able to obtain DMT in a smokable form then my belief is that would be the preferred method. I am not one to enjoy any form of nausea or vomit fun so Ayahuasca would not be a pref.

Book plug:
DMT: The Spirit Molecule

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For your first ayahuasca experience make sure you have everything you'd ever want easily accessible. If you have something remotely cool to look at (I guess even a rug works well, I like to lay down on the rug and look out over it). Some people like being outside, I think DMT and the outdoors mix well, the only problem is if you all of a sudden don't enjoy the environment for some reason, it's much harder to change, where inside you can easily go into a different room/open windows/change music/change lighting. Make sure you have good music picked out. I particularly enjoy stuff like Pink Floyd and Phish for the come down, although it might be cool to listen to a song you've never heard before while on DMT. Then again, even silence sounds amazing and intense on DMT.

Whatever you do, make sure you close to the place where you feel safest, whether it's your bed, a tree house, or with a girlfriend. When I am in my safe-place nothing can hurt me. Not even my own mind.

[eman resu]

personaly i would try doing 8 hits of acid before instead of ayuhuasca it will prepare you alot better for what your in for, Dmt is intensenasity and often underestimated before being smoked. It feels like you just injected 12 hits of acid, I smoked it once and dont want to smoke it for a long time, maybe in a couple years.

[desert nightmare]

personaly i would try doing 8 hits of acid before instead of ayuhuasca it will prepare you alot better for what your in for, Dmt is intensenasity and often underestimated before being smoked. It feels like you just injected 12 hits of acid, I smoked it once and dont want to smoke it for a long time, maybe in a couple years.
8 hits of acid! Dude you must have no concept of how stronge a dose of acid really is because 8 "real" hits of some acid is going to fuck you up really hardcore. And that is understanding now a days because acid is almost always really weak. And injecting acid isn't anmore intense, and doesn't come on really that much quicker then eating it.

[Jack_Straw2208]

8 hits of acid! Dude you must have no concept of how stronge a dose of acid really is because 8 "real" hits of some acid is going to fuck you up really hardcore. And that is understanding now a days because acid is almost always really weak. And injecting acid isn't anmore intense, and doesn't come on really that much quicker then eating it.LOLOL!!! look at mr. fancy pants spew bullshit like its facts! EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH!

edit: not that it'll make up for the above assholery, that drawing is amazing

[desert nightmare]

What the fuck are you talking about.?

[cechmangoal1]

LOLOL!!! look at mr. fancy pants spew bullshit like its facts! EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH!

edit: not that it'll make up for the above assholery, that drawing is amazing
Yea....that seemed a bit unnecessary.

[Jack_Straw2208]

8 hits of acid! Dude you must have no concept of how stronge a dose of acid really is because 8 "real" hits of some acid is going to fuck you up really hardcore. And that is understanding now a days because acid is almost always really weak. And injecting acid isn't anmore intense, and doesn't come on really that much quicker then eating it.doyyy

[trippedelia]

lawl.

[2cesarewild]

IDK never had LSD injected, but huasca isn't really near as intense as the smoked deem.

[eman resu]

Desert nightmare has obviously never smoked dmt if he dosent think it can be as intense of 8 hits off strong acid. And its not like i have ever injected L, it was a description.

[eman resu]

oh yea and ayhuasca is not that fun it makes you feel like shit, kind of like morning glory seeds.

[Jack vs. Explosion]

SWIM would strongly suggest that you smoke about 20-30mg first in order to understand that trip and how it operates on a base level. SWIM suggest that from there, you should make a determination as to whether or not you want to spend an extended period of time in that state. From there, if you're ok with it, smoke about 60mg and keep your eyes closed. SWIM advises that after this, if you are comfortable with what you've experienced, take the extended trip. In SWIM's 8 trips, he has never had a negative experience. It is appropriate to note, however, that he has never had a truely "positive" experience, either. SWIM describes every single one of his trip (quantity ranging from 40mg-80mg, smoked) as amazingly intense and amazingly comfortable with many revelatory instances. SWIM thinks it is important to pace yourself, especially when it comes to DMT.

[polymer]

I don't know where hoasca fits in with 8 hits of strong acid (which I've had), but I'm sure (as has been mentioned) it won't hit as hard as smoked dmt. nevertheless, it deserves respect. dmt (in oral form) is one of the granddaddies of psychedelics, and ayahuasca isn't exactly bud light. proceed with caution and reverence...

[TopNotchStoner]

This is coming from someone who has not tried either:

If you are able to obtain DMT in a smokable form then my belief is that would be the preferred method. I am not one to enjoy any form of nausea or vomit fun so Ayahuasca would not be a pref.

Book plug:
DMT: The Spirit Molecule
Better yet, if you can get DMT, then eat the crystals with some syrian rue so you don't have to drink the nastiness.

[cechmangoal1]

Better yet, if you can get DMT, then eat the crystals with some syrian rue so you don't have to drink the nastiness.
Would that work though. How much crystals would you need to equal the amount of DMT that would be in huasca.

Peace,
Steven

[TopNotchStoner]

I guess you just measure out a decent dose of DMT and eat it, after you have consumed the syrian rue.

[eman resu]

I don't know where hoasca fits in with 8 hits of strong acid (which I've had), but I'm sure (as has been mentioned) it won't hit as hard as smoked dmt. nevertheless, it deserves respect. dmt (in oral form) is one of the granddaddies of psychedelics, and ayahuasca isn't exactly bud light. proceed with caution and reverence...
I was saying 8 hits of acid would prepare you better to smoke dmt than ayuhuasca would, by the time you took enough ayuhuasca to be even somewhat close to a dmt trip you would be puking it all up, or atleast i would.

[eman resu]

even though huasca is a dmt trip im talking about smokeable dmt

[PsychMyke]

ok....i dont care how intsense dmt is...8 hits of good acid is way more intense then dmt i can garentee it

ive beeen told that dmt is mad intense, but its often blown out of proportion...trust me ive taken 5 hits of insane dose at one time
prolly like 700-800 mics and it wasnt that enjoyable for most of the time, and the poeple who i tripped with have done DMT...8 hits of acid is like 16 hours...dmt is 15 minutes...huge difference regardless of the lack time perception

[Jack vs. Explosion]

The intensity of the trip is not measured by it's length of time, at least it shouldn't be. I think the idea is this: If you were to experience 12 hours of an intense DMT trip vs. 12 hours of an intense LSD trip, you would have two entirely different results. And quite honestly, SWIM says the effects of DMT and LSD, he would say that 12 hours of DMT would probably be far too overwhelming to even comprehend. SWIM surely thinks that describing 15 minutes of DMT is far more difficult than describing 6 hours of LSD...

[eman resu]

ok....i dont care how intsense dmt is...8 hits of good acid is way more intense then dmt i can garentee it

ive beeen told that dmt is mad intense, but its often blown out of proportion...trust me ive taken 5 hits of insane dose at one time
prolly like 700-800 mics and it wasnt that enjoyable for most of the time, and the poeple who i tripped with have done DMT...8 hits of acid is like 16 hours...dmt is 15 minutes...huge difference regardless of the lack time perception
dude you have no clue what your talking about at all, i have ate a ten strip of good acid before and I have smoked dmt i know dmt can defintaly be as intense as 8 hits. Hopefuly you never smoke it with that low of expectations, you might piss your pants.