hippies?

[seahorse]

did hippies in the 60's call themselves hippies? where did the term even come from? :confused:

[TreePhiend]

I believe ithe term "hippy" was started by the media discribing the type of people who protested the Vietnam war. I don't think many would have started calling themselves hippys then, but I'm sure later people would call themselves hippys.

[We_All_Shine_On]

wasn't yuppies Youth something? with uhm.. whats his name? ABBY! abby hoffman?

[kitty fabulous]

no, that's yippies. yuppies are the scourge of the '80's: young, urban (or upwardly-mobile) professionals.

[TreePhiend]

are yippies just yong hippies, or are they like yuppie hippies?

[fylthevoyd]

wasn't yuppies Youth something? with uhm.. whats
his name? ABBY! abby hoffman?
Please don't disgrace Abbie's name by referring to him as a yuppie or suggesting he had anything to do with the yuppie movement.Besides in the times of the yuppie movement Abbie was still wanted by the American government and he was living in hiding.

This isn't a slam to you We_All_Shine_On,just informing you about one of people who was at the front of the hippie movement in the 60's.

[Flowerian]

are yippies just yong hippies, or are they like yuppie hippies?


I think "Yuppie" is just the contrary of "Hippie" ;) The Yuppies where those young men of the eighties who only lived for working, mostly at stock markets and did not take care of anything happening around them, just being focused on making money. I think I don't have to define what's different about this with hippies, do i? ;)

[babovic_sonja]

I wonder what it was like, to live in the sixties. I've heard people were much more open-minded and friendly. Those are the main two things I'd like to change about today's society... people just seem too focused on themselves, and too closed-minded. They can't even take a joke, let alone stand anyone who's different than they are.

*sigh* Sometimes I wonder if I lived in the 60s in my past life... ;)

[TreePhiend]

but what about all those yuppie people who have the dough to buy groceries at Whole Foods and similar stores and claim to care about the environment and support fair trade and vote for the green party ect. They share many hippie ideals, but they just have more money, generally speaking. I think there needs to be a word for these type of yuppies that implies that they are slightly more hip.

[-peaceman69-]

Yippie is the name for Youth International Party (YIP) founded in 1967 by Abbie Hoffman and some other people. His name is Abbie not Abby. Remember Chicago ’68 yah that was the Yippies (the protesters not the pigs).

[mother_nature's_son]

Hippies in the 60's liked to call themselves Freaks.

[sassure]

We used both "hippie" and "freak" pretty freely back then. "Yippie" was coined as a put-down term, so we blew that one off.

And Yuppies, Young Upwardly-mobile Professionals, were the spawn of the 80s-90s when Materialism took over and Money replaced God.....

[Manolao]

wasn't also "the Beautiful People" a name pretty in vogue for an auto-definition?


by the way.. in Italian was "Figli dei Fiori" (flower's sons)

[Flowerchild]

"Hanging around the beatniks became the cool thing to do, and City Lights was increasingly frequented by the kids from the area around the University of San Francisco. As usual, the "older" group ridiculed any younger people who wanted to be like them - almost as much as they ridiculed anyone who DIDN'T want to be like them. Soon some of the older and less perceptive Beats, who were themselves often hangers on of the original New York group, began derisively labeling these kids - who so obviously wanted to be "hip" - as "hippies." The name stuck."
"
"Freak" was actually a generic all-encompassing - and fairly early - term. Originally it was a simple pejorative used by the more belligerent of the mainstream society against the hippies. So in that sense, being a freak - like being a hippie - was more something you were called, not something that you were. But like many terms of abuse, it was proudly adopted by the members of the group itself. Soon "freak" became the term preferred by the hippies."

http://members.aol.com/Fredwaite/hippies.html

I don't know if that is all correct and if it is not, I appologize! Hopefully this helos you, I think it's pretty logically!!
Love and Peace,
Flowerchild

[lucyinthesky]

*sigh* Sometimes I wonder if I lived in the 60s in my past life... ;)
I definitely know i did! :D There is no way my soul was made to live in today's world. Every waking day i dream about having lived in the 60s. I would do anything to be able to go back...everything was so much more appreciated, i think, and i look at people today, especially young adults my age, and they know nothing of what it is to appreciate...they're all too busy getting drunk and banging as many people as they can.

[angelgodiva]

Time is relative, darlings, and your life will be whatever you make of it. I was 14 during the Summer of Love and have been part of the movement since the beginning. Flowerchild's information was accurate, as was that of several others. Instead of wishing you could go back to live in the 60s, though, you may want to try bringing the spirit of the 60s back by the way you live and the ideals you hold dear. Most importantly, be true to your beliefs and do not let anyone else shake your faith in what can be.
The 60s are a part of history, and as such they will always be with us as long as we keep the memories and the spirit of the era alive through our lives.
The music doesn't hurt either!
See you all around the forums.

[Flowerian]

[color=magenta]I definitely know i did! :D There is no way my soul was made to live in today's world. Every waking day i dream about having lived in the 60s. I would do anything to be able to go back...everything was so much more appreciated, i think, and i look at people today, especially young adults my age, and they know nothing of what it is to appreciate...they're all too busy getting drunk and banging as many people as they can.


Yes, I thinks it's nearly similar with me... the young generation in the sixties fought for something, they wanted to improve the world... and today? The only problem people in my age have is how to get the new CD from some gangsta-hiphopper without paying for it. Oh man, I'd give everything if I was able to experience the Woodstock festival and the whole era :(

[MarkN]

Yes, I thinks it's nearly similar with me... the young generation in the sixties fought for something, they wanted to improve the world... and today? The only problem people in my age have is how to get the new CD from some gangsta-hiphopper without paying for it. Oh man, I'd give everything if I was able to experience the Woodstock festival and the whole era :(
This generation has just as much to fight about today if not more. I listened to the CD "HAIR" (the broadway musical) the other night, and was amazed at the similarity in issues of 1969 and todays world. (unjust WAR (iraq), racical prejudice, unjust drug laws, plenty of gov coruption. etc. We have become a nation (USA) of the haves, and the havenots. ( there is something inhuman about that). I think we have come full circle, and we still have the same problems . But in many ways the world is better. technoligy, medicne, etc. I don't think my generation changed the world, but we definily put a couple of dents in it. ORGANIZE, UNITE! Write about it , talk about it. Ever heard the expression " the pen is mighter than the sword?". Its so true. Its your world guys. You might not change the world, but you can bend it some.

[Flowerian]

Yes, you're absolutely right, we have problems, we have to fight against them - but WHO wants to fight? Of course absolutely everybody who is in this forum, but go out to your town and look at the teens hanging around. They just don't care if there is an unjust war or human rights are not respected, they have a kind of a "Not-my-problem"-thinking... THIS is the problem of my generation! We are not 500.000 people who would travel to a festival about peace and music... if it was a hiphop jam with cool gangstas "singing" about how many women they fuck and how many other gangstas they kill everyday, yes, this would attract 500000 people, but I see no chance to start a new kind of a hippie movement. Political issues are not very important in ages of hiphop...

[Flowerchild]

I totally agree w/all of you! But I still was impressed last year in june when the student government in our city organized a demonstration against the war in Iraq: we thought 800 were gonna come, in the end there were 3500!! I was happy because it showed that people weren't totally careless about what happened in the world though most of the American public never heard about the many demonstrations against the war (yes bush, you showed censorship really works!).
I'm not as pessimistic about the new hippie movement though! I think/probably rather hope it will come in the next 5 yo 10 years. I'm surprised everyday by how many ppl think the way i think, especially at home in Germany. But I'm probably not around the "normal" people. Unfortunately Flowerian is probably mostly right w/his description of the German youth! :(

[earthmuffin]

[color=magenta]I definitely know i did! :D There is no way my soul was made to live in today's world. Every waking day i dream about having lived in the 60s. I would do anything to be able to go back...everything was so much more appreciated, i think, and i look at people today, especially young adults my age, and they know nothing of what it is to appreciate...they're all too busy getting drunk and banging as many people as they can.I couldn't agree more sister! People these days don't appreciate as much as people back then did...and i'd give anything to go back to the 60's, much like you...I wake up thinking about it EVERY DAY. :( But, it's our job as the hippies of today to make the world a better place...and if we all do a little, when put together as a whole we'll have a better place to live...just like the hippies of the 60's generation did. :)

[MarkN]

Yeah, Stand up for what you believe in. There is something amazingly brave about doing that. It brings honor to yourself and to those with you. Be a warrior for peace, with your strongest wepon ....."your mind".

"a thosand mile journey begins with one step"

[Flowerian]

I totally agree w/all of you! But I still was impressed last year in june when the student government in our city organized a demonstration against the war in Iraq: we thought 800 were gonna come, in the end there were 3500!! I was happy because it showed that people weren't totally careless about what happened in the world though most of the American public never heard about the many demonstrations against the war (yes bush, you showed censorship really works!).
I'm not as pessimistic about the new hippie movement though! I think/probably rather hope it will come in the next 5 yo 10 years. I'm surprised everyday by how many ppl think the way i think, especially at home in Germany. But I'm probably not around the "normal" people. Unfortunately Flowerian is probably mostly right w/his description of the German youth! :(


The only way we got a demonstration with 4000 people in our town was when the Bavarian government changed their whole school politics. And most of the people where only there because they don't want to go to school whole day long. When there was a demonstration against Iraq, probably 300 people came. And I think it's not only the German youth, it's the youth in all industrial countries who doesn't care about their world.
I'm a bit more pessimistic concerning a new movement. But if one comes, I'll be the first one to join ;)
(I hope the music will become better by then, I don't want to hear Love-and-Peace-Hiphop or some kind of a Gangsta-Woodstock http://forum.gamestar.de/gspinboard/images/smilies/huch.gif :D)

[SunFree]

wasn't also "the Beautiful People" a name pretty in vogue for an auto-definition?


by the way.. in Italian was "Figli dei Fiori" (flower's sons)
How does it feel to be
One of the beautiful people
Tuned to a natural E
happy to be that way
Now that you've found another key
What are you going to play . . .

:D :D :D

[Flowerchild]

Oh god, gangsta-woodstock, oh god HIPHOP!! I seriously can't think of any reason why ppl would listen to that stuff, hip hop in general! I don't know about the US cause ppl I talk to here are mostly Band and Orchestra nerds who mainly listen to classic/music w/style (60s/70s!), jazz...but most of the ppl in DE don't even know what the "musicians" are rapping about! They don't know that they say who they wanna kill and who they killed already and who they wanna fuck and who they fucked already...I think a lot of ppl are just so "deaf and blind" by the mass of information we get everyday that they just sit down and don't listen actively, to anything, don't think about it!
Yeahm the school politics....:-( I was gone by that time, but I remember that at our city, the demonstration was not even during school, it was in the afternoon! Oh well, enough of that!
I agree w/you about the youth who doesn't care! Like I said above, I think they just do what they are told and don't think about it!
I think you're right too w/what you say about the new movement. I'm usually to optimistic about stuff and dream too much...but what would the world be w/out dreams?

[Flowerian]

Flowerchild, I think we have the same opinion, but I think the problem is not only a German one, it's a problem of the whole youth...

Wird Zeit dass wir mal n bischen per ICQ labern ;) Wann biste denn normalerweise online? Ich hab dich ja glaubich schon in meiner Contactlist....

[Flowerchild]

LOL! Ach du bist das....das Problem ist halt dass ich nie hier bin wenn es in Deutschland eine einigermassen menschliche Zeit ist! Aber knapp 4 Wochen noch, dann bin ich wieder daheim! Mit den Problemen der ganzen Welt und so...ich bin da eher vorsichtig den Rest der Welt zu beurteilen da sich jemand vielleicht angegriffen fuehlen koennte, deswegen rede ich nur schlecht ueber die deutsche Jugend da ich ja selbst Teil davon bin!
:)

[Flowerian]

LOL! Ach du bist das....das Problem ist halt dass ich nie hier bin wenn es in Deutschland eine einigermassen menschliche Zeit ist! Aber knapp 4 Wochen noch, dann bin ich wieder daheim! Mit den Problemen der ganzen Welt und so...ich bin da eher vorsichtig den Rest der Welt zu beurteilen da sich jemand vielleicht angegriffen fuehlen koennte, deswegen rede ich nur schlecht ueber die deutsche Jugend da ich ja selbst Teil davon bin!
:)


Warum pendelst du denn zwischen USA und Deutschland? Und woher kommst du hier?

[Flowerchild]

Ich pendel nicht wirklich zwischen USA und D, ich bin nur hier gerade in der Schule. Wo ich herkomm? Aus Wuerzburg...wenn dir das was sagt? ca. 100km noerdlich von Frankfurt! Und du?

[Flowerian]

Würzburg sagt mir als Aschaffenburger in der Tat was ;) Du wohnst dann ja quasi in der Nachbarschaft :D Warum gehst du in den USA in die Schule?



P.S.: Würzburg liegt 120km ÖSTLICH von Frankfurt *g

[givepeaceachance]

HOw did the conversation turn to yuppies? Didn't the girl just make a mistake? Suddenly it's this whole issue. NO it's not yuppie it's yippie, but why get all upset over it?

[Flowerian]

HOw did the conversation turn to yuppies? Didn't the girl just make a mistake? Suddenly it's this whole issue. NO it's not yuppie it's yippie, but why get all upset over it?


We didn't get upset, we just explained the difference :)

[Flowerchild]

Oh du bist aus Aschaffenburg, awesome! Naja, Nachbarschaft...sind trotzdem noch 80km! Warum ich in den US zur Schule gehe...hmm, weg von daheim, andere Kultur erleben, Englisch aufbessern, ...das uebliche halt. Ich bin aber schon froh wieder heim zu kommen! Gehst du noch zur Schule??

P.S.: Wuerzburg liegt 120km NORDoestlich von Frankfurt

[Flowerian]

Hey, versuch nicht gegen meine Erdkundekenntnisse anzukommen, da versagt sogar mein diezbezüglicher Lehrer :p :D Nach Würzburg sinds von unserer Ortsmitte aus laut Schild 64km, und Würzburg liegt definitiv östlich mit leichtem Südtouch, garantiert, wenn ich ne Karte find zeig ich dirs ;)

[Dakota's Mom]

I wasn't at Woodstock in 69. I was 7 months pregnant at home in Iowa back then. But I was at Woodstock in 99. And no, I don't mean that make believe thing at the army base. I was at Yasgar's farm in Bethal, New York. It was a truely beautiful day. A lot of the same people were there that were there in 69. And they had their kids on stage with them. It was so cool to see Arlo Guthrie with Sarah and her brother. And Melanie with her children. And Richie Havens with his kids. Country Joe was there with his kids too. It was an awesome site to see. I'm glad I was there. At least I can remember it. I'm not sure I would have remembered Woodstock had I been there in 69.

Kthi

[FreeSpirited420]

[color=magenta]I definitely know i did! :D There is no way my soul was made to live in today's world. Every waking day i dream about having lived in the 60s. I would do anything to be able to go back...everything was so much more appreciated, i think, and i look at people today, especially young adults my age, and they know nothing of what it is to appreciate...they're all too busy getting drunk and banging as many people as they can.
I think I did as well. I have all these weird visions, like "have I been here before?" ... I was at Ryerson University, and I was having de ja vu of some sort.

My mom had told me a bunch of stuff about the 60's and 70's. I would love to have lived in those times.

[retrofishie]

i always thought that the term hippy was a refrence to the pants that they wore hip huggers.

[hippie_au]

yuppie means rich people. someone who has money is called a yuppie...

[geckopelli]

yuppies are what became of most Hippies. They threw off their tie-dyes and got 3 piece suits and jobs.

[HippieFlowerGirl67]

My past life was definetly in the 60's, there's no doubt about it....

[RainbowCat]

wasn't yuppies Youth something? with uhm.. whats his name? ABBY! abby hoffman?
maybe it was a misspelling?

[Templedragon]

Hippie is a word that stemmed from hep cat from decades earlier. Many people attribute the term hippie to San Farnsciso colimnist Herb Caen, who used to term to describe a new movement of music enthisuasts in the Haight Ashbury, the Diggers and the Family Dog and whatnot.

Yippie means "Youth International Party "member, and is a term that describes a losse knit 'revolutionary" group started by Abbie Hoffman, Paul Krassner and Jerry Rubin (and Dana Beal). Paul Krassner is a good friend of mine. The Yippies were somewhat associated with the White Panther movement of the very late sixties and early 70's.

The Yippies used street theatre and guerilla publishing, and were infinitely more miltant than the hippies. By 1968 the term hippie was getting worn out, and in san fransico they had a mock funeral for the "death of the hippie". Hippies followed flower children, and freaks followed hippies. Now hippie is a very loose term to decsribe anyone who is a part of the post 1960's counterculture.

I am uber-proud of being a hippie since I was 10 years old.

Peace! Viv-

[HippieFlowerGirl67]

I like being considered a flower child....

[DrSpaceman]

The old jazz term "hep," which went out with the beatniks, our predecessors, transformed into hip, so "hepcat" became "hipster," which was "reslangified" to "hippie," in the same way that "hickster" was shortened to "hickey." (JK)

Most of the people I knew called themselves head or freaks at first, but eventually they started satirizing the clueless media by using their terminology in a more-or-less tongue-in-cheek and pseudo-derogatory way, such as "So, what do you MF'ing hippie preverts wanna do today?" or "Hey, wanna smoke some ... 'pot'?"

[DrSpaceman]

Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin formed the Youth International Party (Yippies) in 1967. Ronald Reagan introduced the age of greed in the early 80's, which gave birth to voodoo economics and "young urban professionals" (yuppies). Just remember, Yippie rhymes with hippie, and yuppy rhymes with guppy.

[DrSpaceman]

Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin formed the Youth International Party (Yippies) in 1967. Ronald Reagan introduced the age of greed in the early 80's, which gave birth to voodoo economics and "young urban professionals" (yuppies). Just remember, Yippie rhymes with hippie, and yuppy rhymes with guppy.

Somehow this got posted at the bottom, instead of in this thread. What am I on? Senility!

[DrSpaceman]

No it didn't -- I'm so confused!

[gate68]

Yippie is the name for Youth International Party (YIP) founded in 1967 by Abbie Hoffman and some other people. His name is Abbie not Abby. Remember Chicago ’68 yah that was the Yippies (the protesters not the pigs).
remember when he tried to extort money out of woodstock.Hippie came from when hiphuggers were first in fashion.All the kids were wearing them.It was the look.The hip look.It's as simple and unromantic as that.

[TreePhiend]

I must say, I was a dumbass stoned/drunk when I first posted all my shit at the begining of this thread. Now that I have seen that it has been drug out all these months I retract all my previous statements since I am now coherent (now just drunk).


But may I say, whats the deal with dreads? I don't quite understand why it became a contemporary-"hippy"/"freak" thing. It's the jamacian infuence correct?

and now my drunken comment...
FUCK BOB MARLY... LISTEN TO BURNING SPEAR!!!

[howellmilldoc]

Thanks Peaceman you konw your stuff. A yippie was a follower of Abbie Hoffman and was a kind of terrorist that didn't want to hurt anybody. I don't have a problem with killing a bulldozer. Don't spike trees, that can kill somebody, an example.
Doc

[Eagle Rose]

Start the movement, stop waiting for that one person to move in, I wish I could drive or at least leave my house! My parents won't let me go anywhere on foot :confused: ... I want to get out change things in my city but I can't go out there! Lmao XD Oh it's sad I know but maybe when I can leave my house I can help out, for now I just have to preach peace through my life, right? :) <3

[Micha]

Yippie is the name for Youth International Party (YIP) founded in 1967 by Abbie Hoffman and some other people. His name is Abbie not Abby. Remember Chicago ’68 yah that was the Yippies (the protesters not the pigs).

I just read about that in a book i'm reading a few nights ago...
It's called The Age of Protest


It was really interesting..

[Micha]

I like being considered a flower child....jesus christ..
okay..i've been seeing your posts around..

I'm not trying to be mean or anything but you seem soo caught up in the hippie stereotype.
Every one of your posts that i've seen has something to do with it!
I mean, this one was 'i like to be considered a flower child'
and "I still call myself a hippie, but I change some days. One day I'll be against war and fighting and all that, and the next I'll be believing in war, chaos, distruction and disorder.... "
one said 'i love it when people call me a hippie'
and you even said something like 'my friends and i like to flash the peace sign at each other and other people' when that had nothing to do with that..

Just be yourself, man.

[DrSpaceman]

The term "flower child," as far as I know, was more of a media stereotype and invention than anything else. A few "commercially psychedelic" groups, like The Peanut Putter Conspiracy might have bought into that scene (or propaganda), but I don't know of any "real hippies" who did. If anything, being a "flower child" was like some kind of teeny-bopper "bubble-gum music" thing, nothing heavy.

There was a little bit of satire of it, maybe, in the acid commercial that came between tracks on the second Country Joe & the Fish album "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-to-Die":
Well, if you're tired or a bit run-down,
Can't seem to get your feet off the ground,
Maybe you oughta try a little bit of LSD
(Only if you want to).
Shake you head and rattle your brain,
Make you act just a bit insane,
Give you all the psychic energy you need—
Eat flowers and kiss babies—L S D
For you and meeee.

[OneLoveHerbsman]

Yes, you're absolutely right, we have problems, we have to fight against them - but WHO wants to fight? Of course absolutely everybody who is in this forum, but go out to your town and look at the teens hanging around. They just don't care if there is an unjust war or human rights are not respected, they have a kind of a "Not-my-problem"-thinking... THIS is the problem of my generation! We are not 500.000 people who would travel to a festival about peace and music... if it was a hiphop jam with cool gangstas "singing" about how many women they fuck and how many other gangstas they kill everyday, yes, this would attract 500000 people, but I see no chance to start a new kind of a hippie movement. Political issues are not very important in ages of hiphop...
This is so true, people around my age (19 ) just dont care about the things that happen to their fellow man. I was talking to a freind of mine just last week about a war that had gone on in africa and how they where holding , and this is the refugee camp mind you the place that is supposed to help them is holding them there without food and water , people are dying off, starving in a place the r to feel safe and protected. I brought this up to him becuz there was a charity collecting funds to add them . When i ask him if he would like to help with me he said " That ant me. Im feed. they better find them some berrys out in the shrubs if they hungry "

Its bogus, kids these days need to ante up!

[SafetyPin]

Abbie Hoffman wrote several books, two of which I can remember were called "Steal this Book" and "Revolution for the Hell of It" This is just my perspective but the yippies were more likely to use the establisment's own tactics to change the establishment. Hippies were more into doing their own thing.

Since the establishment has always based its politics on using force or the threat of force, the yippies were more willing to use that tactic to change the establishment than the hippies were.

The establishment accused the hippies of being apathetic but a conclusion I've come to recently is that the hippies had a passionate interest in just about everything. And you may disagree with me but hippies were the most politically oriented people ever, but their politics were real politics and could not be seperated from their personal lives. Voting had nothing to do with anyones personal life so hippies were not interested in it. However when Americans and communists were fighting and killing each other in Vietnam hippies were thinking, when human beings are fighting each other and killing each other anywhere in the world, it affects me personally and therefore I must do whatever I can to spread peace and of course love.

[SafetyPin]

Oh, Abbie Hoffman died some time ago. He lived in New Hope, Pa when he died and his death was from either prescription pain killers or prescription sleeping pills, I think pain killers; it wasn't suicide.

[sohip19]

i thought hippie was an acronym for highly intelligent person persuing individual enlightenment..thats what it says somewhere here on this site.