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txbarefooter
11-11-2006, 02:15 AM
it is their business, literally. should this have gone the way it did ? did the gay couple over react or should the Garden Guy have taken the money and ran ?
should the business owners have politely said no thank you/we're too busy and left it at that ?

HOUSTON — A few short weeks ago, Garden Guy was just a mom-and-pop landscaping business that promoted itself as "making Houston beautiful since 1991" and promised to treat its customers with respect and honesty.
Since then, though, the business has been vilified around the world as a bunch of bigots because its Christian conservative owners refused to do work for a gay couple.

Michael Lord and Gary Lackey, a gay couple requesting bids for a landscaping job at their new house, received a polite _ and, well, honest _ e-mail from Sabrina Farber, a co-owner of Garden Guy: "I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to work for homosexuals."

Stunned, Lackey forwarded the e-mail to 200 friends, asking them not to patronize Garden Guy and urging them to pass the word on to friends and family. "I'm still shocked by the ignorance that exists in today's society," Lackey said in his e-mail.

And word was indeed passed on _ as fast as the Web could carry it.

Within days, the e-mail had been forwarded to thousands of people around the world, and quickly became the subject of heated and often ugly debates on the Internet. Because of the furor, a professional association of landscapers created a nondiscrimination policy.

A forum on the Garden Guy Web site, normally reserved for discussions about landscaping and shrubbery, was bombarded with angry comments and venomous attacks from as far away as Australia.

Some people attacked the Farbers' beliefs, threatened the couple and their five children, and said they ought to be sodomized. Others condemned gays as sinners headed toward damnation.

Farber, whose company's Web site has long included Biblical quotes and a link to a Web site that opposes gay marriage, said she was shocked by the reaction.

"It was just our intent to uphold our rights as small business owners to choose our clientele," she said. "All the hate, the threats of sodomizing my children, the threats of me being murdered, came out because of a very businesslike straightforward e-mail I sent. The crowd of tolerance and diversity is not so tolerant."

But Farber said she and her husband have also gotten hundreds of calls and messages offering encouragement and have been touched by that. "We just cried. We have been through so much," Farber said. "We become accidental crusaders for Christ."

Lackey and Lord did not return calls from the Associated Press.

"Imagine if it had been a black or Hispanic couple that they wouldn't provide services to. It's really bad," said Jack Valinski, a Houston gay activist. "A lot of gay couples have kids, live in the suburbs and have neighbors that are straight. Yet, we still have instances like this. There is still always that underlying discrimination we all have to deal with."

Houston, unlike Austin and Dallas, has no ordinance prohibiting businesses from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.

Farber's e-mail reached the Harrisburg, Pa., offices of the Association of Professional Landscape Designers, which said that the Farbers were misrepresenting themselves as current members of the group and no longer belong.

After receiving hundreds of outraged calls and e-mails, the 1,200-member association issued a statement criticizing the Farbers and created a nondiscrimination policy.

"It has come to our attention that a former member has declined a professional engagement on the grounds of the prospective clients' sexual orientation. This conduct does not conform to the policy and practice of APLD," the organization said.

Piney
11-11-2006, 03:50 AM
Were the Homeonners more interested in grinding an axe than getting thier lawn done?

Perhaps the Landscaper should have said: "I'm too busy"

Its not like the Homeowner was turned down by a monopoly.

Alana
11-11-2006, 04:11 AM
I'm a bisexual, but it's their choice - they can refuse service to anyone they choose.

How many of us refuse to patronize a business because of their views or politics? How many of us talk crap about straights? How many gay business owners refuse to work for conservative christians?

Point is - we ALL have that right - Do you want to give it up because others capatalized on that right? Rights work for us, and occasionally against us. we can't have it both ways.

drumminmama
11-11-2006, 06:14 PM
it's the free market.
But why even respond to the bid if you didn't want to work for them? Thinking it was inflammitory.
But the threats on their web site were just as bad: judging.

Now, if they refuse to HIRE someone because they are gay...well... that's a dif kettle of fish.
I hope the Houston guys got a service they can work with.

MollyThe Hippy
11-11-2006, 06:28 PM
i would think a gay couple would have more sense to hire a christian landscaper since most of them have such a poor sense of aesthetics

drumminmama
11-12-2006, 06:46 PM
Ted Haggard ring a bell?
closeted Xtian landscapers: be afraid, be very afraid.....

MollyThe Hippy
11-12-2006, 06:50 PM
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! ted haggard was not gay... he just liked internal butt massages with another man's penis which is not to be confused with gay sex as so many often do

drumminmama
11-12-2006, 07:28 PM
with meth. don't forget the meth....

MollyThe Hippy
11-12-2006, 07:31 PM
there was meth? it definately wasn't gay sex then

tigerlily
11-13-2006, 07:04 PM
wow, crazy story... i can't imagine a business putting up a sign saying they wont serve gays, or straights, or christians only, or whatever... (i equate what they did to putting up a sign in a store-front or maybe letting the untouchables come in and look around and bring something to the register and then being told they can't shop there) and how are they going to know who's gay and who's not anyway? i mean, just becasue this couple was openly gay doesn't mean all homosexuals are... are they planning to interview all prospective clients? or are they planning to handle this in a "don't ask, don't tell" fashion?

really rediculous... and i'm embarassed that so many ppl got on the website and told them they should be sodomized. i really hope the "free market" gets some regulations soon because segregation was supposed to have gone away.

i'm trying to see it from the landscapers' views and i can't see it any other way besides them being plain bigoted... i mean... homosexuals are sinners in their eyes, right? well i hope they make sure they're not serving any drug dealers or murderers or rapists or anybody who's pro-choice, or non-christian or gossipy or lies or is lazy or likes to party or has pre-marital sex and on and on and on.....

erzebet1961
11-19-2006, 04:29 PM
I think the Gay issue should have been left out..maybe an excuse such as having jobs backed up for several months would have been better. The business woners should have had a bit more common sense than to bring sexual preference into it.

grimjivey
11-19-2006, 11:09 PM
I think the Gay issue should have been left out..maybe an excuse such as having jobs backed up for several months would have been better. The business woners should have had a bit more common sense than to bring sexual preference into it.

Your so right erzebet. The tiniest bit of tack could've prevented the whole thing. I wouldn't be supprized if they intended to start trouble. Now they're like gods amung the godly.
:Angel: :Angel:

SelfControl
11-20-2006, 12:35 AM
Sorry if it's been said before (and if it hasn't y'all are slacking), but good luck if they think they're going to find a straight landscape gardener.

whichaxe
11-20-2006, 08:11 PM
It's a free country - and a small business can do as it pleases.

HOWEVER.... you've got to be FUCKING STUPID as a business owner or as an employee to open up a can of worms like that. Sorry, we're too busy or no response would've been a far more intelligent course of action. Quite frankly, the lawn business got what they deserved - solely based on their stupidity.