New setup

[tiedye0420]

Got my ventilation working, and 580 watts in a 2x4 closet grow! Im not out to impress anyone with outrageous yields. I just like to grow my own pot because i find it to be better than anything i can find. Especially at the price.


Here is my little revised closet grow, with a whole new batch of plants in there.

[Jon]

Thats a nice little set up you got there, what strain are you growing? and what light you got in there? Thanks

Jon..

[tiedye0420]

I got my own strain in there i call "christmas tree" because of the shape and smell is like christmas! And the other ones are humbolt, which have a definite indica leaf pheno to them. Like the closeup pic is the bolt.

I got a 430 eye hortilux, and a 150 watt shp spotlight. Total of 580 watts for a 2x4 closet. I Think i'll be needing to rig up some co2 when i hit 12/12. I'll probly use dry ice, to bring my temps down a bit more though.

Ive only been running the current modifications for a few days now, Im really impressed with the growth rate im now getting. I think i'll switch em over to 12/12 next weekend.
Grow me some mini BOG's ! L.O.L.

Hey thanks for the compliments, but I pretty much owe it all to meangreen, geck, pist, medhydro and oregonmed. This site and george cervantes marijuana growing indoor site and book.
The support ive gotten online has been instrumental in my closet endeavor.Id be mounting lights to the ceiling without this place and george's.

[Becknudefck]

nice plants. wish i had some:)

[meangreen]

Upgrades are always a great thing for the end result.Becknudefck,funny pic!Happy growing Tie!

[Jon]

Hey Tiedye , I have Cervantes book as well and yes its well useful, and I'll 2nd what you said about online support, there are so many like minded peeps online that are more than willing to give advice.

Jon..

[tiedye0420]

here they are today, sunday aug 7.- 7 AM.

The names have been withheld to protect the innocent.
film at 11:00

fuck im so ripped right now, i was just typing and all of of sudden it just started coming out in this dragnet voice it was amost scary. MMwwaaaaa

Now hows that for one week in the budroom

[ThinK]

Nice setup you got there..

Hey, what does "christmas tree" consist of?

Humboldt is a great strain, very hardy

those are gonna come out nice, keep us updated =)

[tiedye0420]

The christmas tree is a strain of unknown origin. I have had it 7 years or so.
(The Strain) I was originally given one seed and i femminized that first plant.

But it looks and even smells a bit like a christmas tree.This version could possibly be a hybrid with the desired mother's pheno. I wont be able to tell until these buds finish in a few weeks. The final product always reveals all.

If it's a hybrid i already have a backcross- if it is not hybrid i have some more hybrid seeds.If this is confusing, do not feel bad i confuse myself all the time. That's why i HAD to start writing it all down.Another beautiful thing about med status- I can label my seeds without paranoia of THE LAW.

Im outta here early today- gotta go find a J.O.B.

[GuySmiley]

Nice setup!!! Everything looks real healthy. Good luck....

[tiedye0420]

Hey Guy, good to hear from you.

here's some more shots of the girls today!
Humbolt's on the left, Christmas tree on the right.

[GuySmiley]

My NL#5 grow is underway now in my new grow cabinet, check it out if you get the time. You can check out my Northern Berry and Everest Queen grow in the same forum...:


http://www.weedtalk.com/board/index.php?showtopic=2991

[tiedye0420]

Yeah cool cabinet Guy.
Should work pretty well for ya.My browser is messed up I can't really see half of the page on your site. Im sure I'll be around more whenever we get a new monitor.
Here are some shots of the girls today, 20 days in the closet 15 days 12/12.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

--Hey Dude!! --Is that a fukin Monkey swingin round in there?!? -Mabey Its my eyeballs or mabey Im stoned or mabey its just that the LUSH FLOWERING GROWTH in there suggests that into your head! -SWEET BRUDDA!! -Patients,Perseverance and Fortitude shure got us far! :) -Well hey Man I finaly made it over here in all my LuMpYtRiChOmEyness! -Your grows lookin really great Dude and its worth doin all this crazy ass cornpeuter shit just to be able to see how well yer doin! -Ill start a thread here as soon as I figure out how to get my pics from one part of the cornpeuter to another! ~~^^Peace>LT>**

[tiedye0420]

No kiddin brother,
Monkeys and cocatoos, and i coulda swore i saw a koala hiding out, but they only eat eucalyptus leaves, so probly not. But yeah the jungle rages on.
The pics on this thread have only been from this month, page one was at setup/install of ventillation along with the new light from mean. It blows me away to see the first pics , compared to what's going on in there now.Not a friggin spidermite in the house either! Whoo hoo!

Them humbolts nug up fast, real fast. The flowering info on "yumbolt" says 60 days to the finish. Even though Im sure those 225 dollar yumbolt seeds are inferior to the strain I have, I'll bet the flowering times are the same. I say inferior because the real humbolt is adapted to california for decades, anything grown in the netherlands will be compromised in it's genetic ablility to adapt to california climates.

So im figuring the first week of october for the hummers, and the end of october for the christmas trees.About the same time they would finish outdoors, but now im going to be able to finish some every couple months or so.

I AM VERY curious to see your aeroponic methods in action, not to prove any points or anything like that, just to compare our results for reference.
If you are getting results much better than I am still, I will definetly need a 10 foot ceiling before I'll even attempt setting up aeroponics.

Im contemplating a method- using 6-9 month old stunted Banzai mothers( which can be quite potent) to cut clones from, for an aero system. If i can do a control and use one of the clones for the new mommy, i'll bud the stunted mom along with the clones to see if the potency varies.
If not, I'll definetly be on to something. Banzai plants are hella potent- it should carry into the clones. If i can rampant growth a clone from this kinda mommy, and get the same smoke> it will kick ass ,and there will be a gang of it.

You see what I mean guys- the only problem with banzai plants is low yield- if you can cut clones from banzai and get higher yield with banzai potency it will be a worthwhile accomplishment.

It has to work- If you enhance the internal chemistry of the mother plants it will cary into the cuttings. It just has to work. I have a thai plant reverting now that is about 4" tall and 5 months old. Also another in very sparse sun that is a foot tall which might enable somewhat of a control. Banzai clone vs. not so banzai clone.
And because i have a 2x2 vegging/cloning area. i have to make it work.L.O.L. Speaking of which> the mutant skunk, and the nl5Xkush will be the next mommys up to bat. The next wave will be mostly my hashplantxcolumbianxcitrusindica(mexican citrus) with a couple hummers and christmas trees mixed in. Then a wave of mutants and nlxkush will follow.

[meangreen]

Looks like things have progressed well for ya Tiedye!Glad to see!

[tiedye0420]

Well yeah,

Thanks to you sending that kickass light, And the accident causing us to go for broke on the ventillation> the closet seems to be producing hella well now. I have a high temp range still, which causes a little bit of stretching, but im thinking of rigging a dry ice container by the intake vent, for when it gets over 85. Maybe ill just stick a block inside the chamber to bring down the temps.
In another 6 weeks summer will be over, and i'll be able to run cooler temps easier.Maybe sooner, they are talking about an early winter- possibly el-nino conditions. Probly a real good thing i learned to do this indoor.

[meangreen]

With fall/winter approaching a cool-fresh air intake with lighting schedule beginning in the early evening thru morning you will be able to lower them temps even more giving you ample time to make cooling changes before next spring.Cool,glad the light helped,but its more your determination thru hard times that allowed you to prevail and make forward progress.Peace bro

[tiedye0420]

Next spring Im going to get an A.C. unit for the back bedroom,that should put temps down to where they should be! Today was overcast and it stayed 85 or below. This wave is the christmas tree and humbolt, they both like it hot. I don't really think i'll need to make any changes for awhile. Once it gets really cold i'll be bringing the heat back inside the house, but that's a few months off.

bottle feeding kittens right now and they are driving me insane, i gotta go.

[meangreen]

Got the kittens again,ya outta sow that bitch up,or use them kittys for ferts like what was discussed last litter,hehehe.late

[tiedye0420]

Can't sew her up she is nowhere to be found. She ran off and had a litter under a realtors office nearby. So we get to bottle feed them for her this run. If i find that cat she is going straight to the vet. Immediatly.
I think kittens are actually minions of hell ,sent to torment me to madness, disguized as cute little kittens.I'm beginning to hate cats,And thinking of getting a
pitbull to chase them all away.

[tiedye0420]

Well here are some pics from today! Seem to be fattening up allready.

[thrawn]

hey tie

QUESTION! in the third pic ( the plants do look great btw) the fan leaves seem rigid and point outwards. i remember in jorges book there was some plants that looked like that and it said "plants sprayed with hormone" or something. any reason why they would look the same? or am i crazy
theo

[tiedye0420]

The plant in question is humbolt-In this case of course it is a naturally occurring phenomenon. They seem to thrive on light and heat, Leaves stretching upward towards the source. I didn't even use any rooting hormones on those clones.

I did the first batch of cuttings using rootech just the other day.
Thanks for the compliments though.
Heck i havent even used any seaweed extracts , just ocean forest, marine cuisine, tigerbloom, batguano(for veg), age-old bloom.

[tiedye0420]

I am starting to see a nice trichrome buildup on the humbolts, this is at day 24.
They seem to be in a lull , probly gearing up to get fatter for the next round of budding. I still have them in 6" pots, and see a couple with a little nute def. going on. I figure i will have to give them quite a bit of age old bloom to get them through next month.maybe some tigerbloom too.
The closet is just too small, no room for soil, no room for a decent amount of plants to grow.
As soon as i get into a real room with my grow, i'll be able to use 3 or 5 gallon containers fairly well.My current area will probly be for vegging clones up to 2'
Then i'll be able to stick em in the real budroom, an actual room.And enough soil to get them through it.

I think were gonna get an a.c. unit for the back bedroom this month, especially if i can keep working. then the grow will be stationed inbetween two units, and the show stays fine when the house is cool.It's the dang sun, first ya have to have it , then when you finally break away from the sun, it curses you still.
I need a basement soon. l.o.l.

[meangreen]

Looking good buddy,don't the improvements seem like a never ending saga.Peace to ya

[tiedye0420]

Kinda fits though,

after all the plants have to adjust and adapt to their enviroment. So if we are creating the enviroment Im sure we will nearly always want to "tweek" the enviroment and areas we grow in.Different strains like different climates and so forth. neverending growstory. Gotta love it. pete the dragon rules.

Hey mean what was that jewlers lens again? Baucsh and laumb 40X 10? I got a whole field of trichs growing on the hummers id like to watch grow. Oh and speaking of trichs- the NL5XKush is reverting nicely, looks like we will be smokin clones around here by christmas, from that one that made it.Or maybe the next wave after that. But I'll probly sneak a couple in on the next wave, if they shoot up enough to clip them in time.

Im gonna get ripped and go to bed it is 8:00 and i am beat down from that roofing job. Imagine hanging on to a rope for dear life and balance, and drilling holes and putting in screws with the other. It is like a waterslide If you dont have a rope in your hand. I gotta get some food and sleep going, or im a deadman.

[tiedye0420]

O.K. Since life and growing is an ongoing experiment for all of us. I figure i'll document my most interesting experiment at present.It involves the humbolts at the moment.


The himalayans and some of the other ancient mountain peoples handed down secrets along with the "family/ village seedstock" One of these was how to manicure. There are three stages of flowering( four if you include preflowering- we will not count that here) One of the book i read as a youngster called it "peaks of flourecence" And there is a reason for this. When the spurts are nearing their end the white hairs seem to get a yellowish glow to them.At least with most strains. There are other ways to tell too- a few red hairs appearing is another.

The himalayans taught that if you remove the water leaf after the first spurt it helps the plant focus on growing buds-- fatter buds. The plant has used these leaves to grow up to maturity. They are no longer needed. This is evident by strains that use up the last of the nutes in these water leaves and drop them while budding.

So after the first peak, you want to remove only the water leaves.
I'll be back with a pic. Some friends just dropped by.

[tiedye0420]

There is a silouette of a hummer a xmas tree together. the xmas trees have not been done yet because they are taking longer, a 8- 10 week strain.But here's some pics of them on the day the got manicured the first time.
Only the water leaves were removed.

[tiedye0420]

What I have done is cause the plant to focus it's energy on growing buds. The result of doing this tecnique is a denser fatter bud. Compact heavy weed. I figure an old school strain deserves an old school method.Im sure the hummers are used to this occuring.The genetics that made humbolt has been subjected to this method for centuries. It is obvious to me that this is why the hummers produce such nice looking nugs on the first peak of "flourecence". They realize the leaves are subject to removal. It is a survival instinct.


So there is the first wave, but remember there is three peaks, In about two weeks, I'll be going in with some scissors to trim off the bud leaves. Two to three weeks before harvest you want to do this.Then the nugs really fatten up.And get hard as a rock.

I realize that most of you trim the leaves after harvest, but I think if you try this method on the right strain, you will be more than pleased with the results im sure.

Notice that a lot of the pics you see in high times this method has been used. Also a lot of the seedbank pics of finished product this is apparent as well. Sometimes they leave the leaves to show you how their pretty little crystals form, but some pics are of manicured buds.

[tiedye0420]

I grabbed a nug before i went to bed last night, and stuck it on the flourex to dry. Forgot all about it and went to bed.
This morning it is kicking my ass. Tasty as heck. It is getting some of the taste at 28 days 12/12. Im thinking it may be a 6 week strain, but probly not. It still has a long way to go yet. Already comparable to what i have seen coming out of these clubs out west here.But still 1/2 0r at best 2/3 of the way done.
here is a pic of what i didn't smoke yet, not sure if we will be able to see any trichs yet or not.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Lookin SWEET Brudda!! --Its hard to resist some early bud! -Get some more Brudda!!! -Scoobie Doobie's on tv somewhere today! :) >LT>**^^~~

[tiedye0420]

It doesn't last long enough (the high) although it is getting to be a bit tasty.

Hmmmmmm naa better wait a couple more weeks. I got swag, i was just sick of smoking it. Figured i deserved a kind wakeup. It was.

But yeah before id go buy a bag of green bud around here, id definetly just pluck some of mine. It is already as good or better than what is going for 100 a quarter. I just know it's gonna rage when it's done.
Hey the coffee pot just signaled me over for a cup. I'll be back.

[tiedye0420]

Oh i almost forgot, after i plucked all the water leaves off the buds exploded with fatness, and seemed to begin to gain some weight at the tops.Quite a bit of wieght actually. I'll be sure to post more pics.

[tiedye0420]

Well i tried for some macro shots, hope i can get them to upload.l.o.l.

The last shot is a christmas tree i had to bend. it is filling in nicely but not ready to have it's water leaves removed yet.

[spooons]

what do you mean by water leaves?

[tiedye0420]

The main leaves attached to the stalk. Most believe leaving them on is best. I am using an ancient method and love the results.

They are sometimes called shade leaves as well.Removing them at the right time causes the plant to focus on fatter denser buds.

[spooons]

ah ok i know them as shade leaves. i wonder if you can help? i have only 2 weeks left of flower i have done no pruning what so ever and am wondering weither i should just take everything else off the plant apart from the buds for the last couple of weeks,also should i prune the lower buds off as they are minute and think they are takin too much energy from the rest of the plant,must also add that my main bud on the bigger plant is absalutely massive.i will post a picture to show you,and is it normal for the water leaves to turn a yellowish color near the end or is this becuase of the new growth lower down?stealing the nitrogen?thnx again

[tiedye0420]

Yeah
If your lower leaves are yellowing it is both the plant using up it's supply,And your light not getting to them.Two weeks is plenty of time for them to gain weight from manicuring. Experiment with one so you get the hang of it, But definetly remove the yellowing leaves before they get too yellow. Then they suck energy from the plant instead of give to it,Once they turn yellow.

The calxes are fattening up radically and little supernova clusters of white hairs are bursting out the sides. But im sure a lot of that is strain inherent.

[tiedye0420]

Snatched a little nug from the hummers after work today.Dried it on the flourex.

Even my picky neighbor from Hawaii said it is getting tasty. Im trying a little in the bong and i am finding a few things hard to believe.One thing is that this weed is still immmature. You would never know from the taste, but this is only day 35.

Another is that i quick dried it on a light, and it still tastes as good as it does.

But the stone is good, just not comparable to the best ive ever smoked.
Im sure it will be getting much closer soon. Next week or so they should really start to fatten up for the last couple weeks.I can hardly wait.
I'll get some new shots tomorrow, the girls are asleep at the moment.

[spooons]

i have a few pictures for you to look at and would appreciate any advice you would have to give.from one picture you can see the yellowing i mentioned b4 and from another you can see the new growth i said about,it appears that there are buds shooting straight from the maun stem but i think i should prune these off as they will be too small any way and take to much energy also i put a piccy of the biggy by the way this is my first grow and would like to know what you think,oh and i think i let em grow too big as they are as tall as me 5,10",the strain is b-52 mainly sativa i think but i have some bubblegum germinating as i type so i will see what happens with them.

[spooons]

shit,forgot the pics

[tiedye0420]

I would definetly strip those leaves off.

Looks like you had a little nitrogen deficency. I would say it is too close to harvest to correct that. Just strip them leaves off.
The little buds i would leave and make honey oil with them.
Try using marine cuisine and batguano next run. I hit them with veg guano right before they start budding. Then old age bloom throughout the bud stage .

I lightly squeezed the buds in there today- only the ones all the leaves were removed from feel really hard. They definetly densed up. By the end of the week i should have all of my humbolts leaves removed.Going in for the rest of them budleaves, but i might wait until the 15th for some. The christmas trees look like they will go to late oct. my hybrid early nov.

It is crazy these are still in 6" nursery pots. they got about two foot tall and i bent them over. Im hoping i can keep them healthy full term in there. Im only a few weeks away though.

Eventually that closet will just be for vegging clones .

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

-Well done Spoons!

[tiedye0420]

In a couple of days (thurs sept 16) They will be at 6 weeks 12/12.

Im really impressed with the way they are growing in there. Everybit as good, if not better than outdoors.By george I think he's done it. But i'll let you guys be the judge of that. Here's pics. tiedye.

[tiedye0420]

Hey mean
I just got off the phone with them, It looks like im gonna take the job.
Im so stoned right now my hand feels like it's 20 pounds or so. i;ll yap later.

[meangreen]

Coolness Bro,glad To Hear.

[tiedye0420]

"Take a ride to the end of the highway, better get while the gettin's good."

I wanna get outta here before i start getting out of control, and have to get outta here.

[tiedye0420]

Whoo doggy,

I just did a little looksie on my hummers. Took em out one by one to look at em in natural sunlight. It is as i suspected, 40% of the hairs are turning red.
I may hav to harv in late sept. if it hits 70%. It won't be long now.

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE

Looks good tie, heres a nl-hindu kush that was done days ago.

[tiedye0420]

Oh my that looks tasty
Like a big ol ice cream cone or somethin.
It sure does pay off when you give em room to grow.

Happy trails, cause that shit looks hallucinogenic.

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE TIE


It is.From a friend of ares,hehehehehehehehhe!!!!!!!!

[meangreen]

hmmm,hmmm,hmmm,what!:X heheheheheh;)

[tiedye0420]

Ya man

you know how we do it!

Mine is reverted, im arranging a home for her while im away.She is actually ready to have a couple clones cut, but i might just have to let her grow a bit more.

[spooons]

hey tye,just thought i would show you how my little babies turned out,not bad from only 2 plants aye,and a first grow at that,what you reckon 3 to 4 ounces maybe?oh well will find out after a couple of days in the room drying.the pic of the bigger plant is rather sweet i think but had to take some lower branches off when it came to trimmin,take care .speak soon.

[meangreen]

Good job Spoons,nice referencing with the boogie board on the side!http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon14.gif

[tiedye0420]

Hey now spoons

Yeah it sure pays to give them room to grow.I been getting 1/2 ounce average out of my clones. But they were pretty small when I had to put them in on aug.1, because of my ventilation accident.

So for 6 weeks 1/2 is not bad. If i had a bigger area I could cut one a day and harvest one a day. L.O.L.

I think i'll probly get over an ounce from the christmas tree clones, they are pretty fat.
Anyways here is a couple different batches we got so far.
Beats the hell out of paying for it. And it beats the hell out of anything i could pay for. Couple bowls and it's nap time baby.

[tiedye0420]

Here's some pics

the hummer outside, and the micro gro from whence it came.
There is a nice donkey dick already posted on the 'watercuring" thread.

[TheJolta]

I ENVY YOU ALL SO MUCH OOOH GOD. So much.

[tiedye0420]

More pics-budshots too.

[tiedye0420]

P.S. that one in the bush is my chocolate hashplant original mom, I got a new one selected. But she is doing much better outdoors.