RDIF tags... Big Brother and the Mark of the Beast

[SunrayDustShower]

http://news.com.com/2010-1069-980325.html

Check this out guys. This is really insane. For those of you who believe in the mark of the beast, here it is. For those of you who dont get ready to see the future. This is some really crazy stuff. Theres no way Im going to buy anything like this!!!

[Pressed_Rat]

RFID is going to be in everyones driver's license starting in 2008. There is no avoiding it unless the people decide something needs to be done.

[SunrayDustShower]

I think its really scary what the world is coming to and how much we are really being monitered. Maybe biblical prophecy, maybe not. I don't know for sure. But when you give bar codes to high school students, tap phones, and issue RDIF tags then the government goes a little to far. I feel like we're being branded like cattle. All of these new "protective" policies are doing nothing but restricting us. I dont think Im ready to trade freedom for protection. Not at all.

[subgoin]

Something similar is being done in many other countries, would this mean
a global monitoring ????

A little bit scary now.

[Carlfloydfan]

i don' t have a drivers liscense!

if it were the mark of the beast that would signfy end times..that would mean peace on earth at the hands of one worldly man...none of that is going on with so much turmoil so I would not see it as that bad..though it is still creepy.

[Pressed_Rat]

Nothing seems bad to people who have been subliminally programed to accept it.

[SunrayDustShower]

Toche my friend

[Carlfloydfan]

I am not programmed anything. stop with that nonsense. i think for myself and seek the truth. you know how to insult people. its assinine how you view most people as ..basically robots.

trust me I go to many independent sites and know my fair share of whats happening. I know this country is not headed in the right direction but try and have some faith in man kind dude.

[DancerAnnie]

I am not programmed anything. stop with that nonsense. i think for myself and seek the truth. you know how to insult people. its assinine how you view most people as ..basically robots.

trust me I go to many independent sites and know my fair share of whats happening. I know this country is not headed in the right direction but try and have some faith in man kind dude.
BWAHAHAAH! That's totally not Rat's style...

[Carlfloydfan]

to have faith in man kind? yah, i know.

[mortes]

This is bullshit. I will never stand for this garbage. STarting a resistance group now!

[Carlfloydfan]

good for you there are so many reasons to do so! as I stated in another topic:


These idiots who want to implent these ideas never think of the implications. As we become more open and dependent on computerized technology, this information is more and more sensitive and risks being hacked into. think identity theft is a problem now?

Maybe it cuts down on money related theft and crime at first..but like a virus often does, it evolves to withstand the antibotic..criminals will do likewise. This won't hinder theft in the long run. With the ID card act, the govt' is striving for centerlized power and to take away the power of the individual states.

and who's to say this makes things more convienent? a crash in the computer system could screw this all up. Isn't that where the information ultimately is?..god forbid the storage is not totally secure. Will these chips last throughout the years? normal wear and tear could make scanning them difficult, and thus, buying food and items more of a pain. and couldn't there be agents (for lack of a better word) ingested through eating food or taking medicine that could cause a negative reacion in respect to the chip? maybe you have a violent reaction because you are allergic to the materials within the chip...or the materials in the chip seep into your body and nervous system. A violent inpact on the area of the arm where the chip is, work related, ect. could screw up the chip. computers fail, the aren't 100% reliable..this chip will fail in some people.

plus there is no limit to the abuse and use of these chips. I mean, if the gov't taps our phone calls, they could just as easily use this as a tracking device. and it would be more subtle than wire tapping (easier to disguise), to the point where people would not know. how can you restrict this chip to the purposes it is said to serve, simply medical records and money...YOU CAN NOT! It is scary, the most threatening thing in our countries history because of the lack of acknowleging the problems.

[Carlfloydfan]

ohhhh just now found this in fact:

take that: http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/verichip-wisconsin-ban.html

[SunrayDustShower]

Its one thing to have faith in mankind, dude. But its a completely diffrent idea to have faith in those who govern man kind. Im pretty excited about the future but sometimes I like to sit back and wonder if things are going the way they should to ensure that things work out for all of us.

[SunrayDustShower]

plus there is no limit to the abuse and use of these chips. I mean, if the gov't taps our phone calls, they could just as easily use this as a tracking device. and it would be more subtle than wire tapping (easier to disguise), to the point where people would not know. how can you restrict this chip to the purposes it is said to serve, simply medical records and money...YOU CAN NOT! It is scary, the most threatening thing in our countries history because of the lack of acknowleging the problems.
i agree with all of this, man! Computers do nothing for me but provide mindless entertainment every once in a while, a television that i can interact with. i think the internet and computers are alot like television, for all the good things they do they give bad the bad almost 2fold.

As for the chips, I completely agree. If the goverment really wanted to put listening devices on us and follow our every movment, they would have been doing it for years now, patriot act or no. They can do it without us detecting it. Im just worried that the world will turn into some kind of world that Orwell predicted in the last century. I dunno, I just like to keep my eyes open about things. I dont trust those who are in power. and i think its right not to.

[Pressed_Rat]

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As for the chips, I completely agree. If the goverment really wanted to put listening devices on us and follow our every movment, they would have been doing it for years now, patriot act or no.So because they haven't yet means they don't want to? They have been talking about this for YEARS in their publications and they do plan on implementing it. I seriously hope most Americans are not this gullible, but I am afriad they are. Look around you at the system that is being set up to do exactly that!

Watch this short 5 minute clip from the new documentary America: Freedom to Fascism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fMup0a7xE

[SunrayDustShower]

no, what im saying is that i think they've already implemented these devices. american street corners are being watched. i'd say im not gullible at all because i like to keep my eyes open for this kind of thing. i think the system has already been set up, but they're just expanding the system.

[BelladonnaBlue]

Morning All, here's my 2 cents...any of us that have cell phones could already be (already are?) under surveillance. They are equipped with global positioning systems, reportedly for the purpose of being able to locate someone that has an emergency and has dialed 911.


As far as these implanted microchips...not just no, but hell no! I come from a family of gardeners, I'm making plans for the future feeding of my family now, so I'm not gonna need to buy with "the chip". And medicine...I'll be going back to nature for mine, most of our "drugs" are derived in some part from plants anyway. I feel it's time for all of us to remember from our ancestors how to survive on Mother Earth. If we start now, we might not be hungry later.

I work in a hospital, and everything we do is on computer. Our doctors have already started to chart patient's histories on computers. It's a good idea to have a paper copy of your medical record for your family, just in case. I think the system will crash sometime, they're just machines after all.

It's kinda off topic, but I heard a good quote in a movie last night, "The Day After". After WW2 (I think), Albert Einstien said something like "I don't know what weapons they'll fight WW3 with, but I know what WW4 will be...sticks and stones." (not the exact wording, but y'all get the idea). For me, this rings true. I feel the change coming, we'll be going back to a more primitive way of life, where goods and services are bartered for other goods and services, not the ethereal "money" most of us use now. It won't be easy...but in some ways, it feels like a breath of fresh air.

So, I for one, will be on guard to anyone trying to implant me or my family with a chip, it just ain't gonna happen.

Peace to all

[Carlfloydfan]

.okay while I admit that my first response was purposely over simplified and admit I was wrong for doing so, I have demonstrated knowledge of this topic here and in another thread. while my one failing MAY be that I am overly optimistic, I do not want a tag and tell people about the possibility of being tagged, because a lot of people do not know. I admit to giving simple responses to subjects I know about (more than I let on) for the sake of joking about them to make them sound less severe, for myself. I admit that though and work on it all the time. Still, I resent the sheep comment because you SEEM (could be wrong) to dish out insults more than anything and tend to acknowledge a poor post much more than a good post.

[Roct]

From someone who's looked into RFID technology for our company, let me clear up some stuff.

One, the original article is from 2003. In the article, they claim that the holy grail for using them is $.05 per chip. Well, they're there now. And for most companies, that's still too expensive. And we're not talking about putting one per package, but just one on a pallet of product to track that pallet.

Second, the ability to read them with much accuracy is just not there yet. For us to mount a reader over a dock door so the chip on a pallet could be read as the pallet passed through the door and went on a tractor trailer, the best any company could guarantee was an 85% rate. If any company out there took a 15% loss of product, well, they wouldn't be taking it for very long before they were out of business.

If you want to get riled up about something and the government's ability to track a person, you don't have to think so high tech. Get upset over the cameras at the intersections and in so-called "high crime areas". Today, that's the real threat to your personal liberties.

[wiz561]

Well, thank you for pointing out the article was from '03. I saw that first and then realized that it's been three years and look where we are at now.

I don't think that we should be worried about RDIF tags as much as what's happening now. As the previous poster stated, the camera's in the high crime areas and around intersections. While I think the are good becaue I'm not doing anything bad, I do think that it's kind of scarey that we are constantly being watched and recorded somewhere.

Since this next thing affects me because I have one, what about the "I-Pass" or other transponders that sit in your car as your drive through the tollways? I'm constantly wondering if I'm going to see a ticket in my mailbox because my time from point a to point b was too short. Funny nobody ever talks about that!

[Captain Zeep]

My responce to RFID tags is ... so what? So the government knows I bought a lamp at wal*mart, who cares? Do they want to track me and my lamp, ok. Their in for a boaring time. WOW! The government can watch me go to work, and home, and to the store, and then home again. Not to scary if you ask me. Could someone tell me why this is scary unless you're trying to get away with something? Besides, with all the people they would be monitering why would they be interested in you? Are you running a smuggling ring or planning to blow something up? If not then it's all just a lot of bad noise.

[Roct]

As for the I-Pass, I have heard of tickets being given out for just such a thing. In fact, I've been told by some of our truck drivers that on some of those roads, its not uncommon to see a truck sitting on the side of the road killing time because they got there too fast.

[GreaseMonkey]

My responce to RFID tags is ... so what? So the government knows I bought a lamp at wal*mart, who cares? Do they want to track me and my lamp, ok. Their in for a boaring time. WOW! The government can watch me go to work, and home, and to the store, and then home again. Not to scary if you ask me. Could someone tell me why this is scary unless you're trying to get away with something? Besides, with all the people they would be monitering why would they be interested in you? Are you running a smuggling ring or planning to blow something up? If not then it's all just a lot of bad noise.

Captain Sheep,
While they don't have the capability to track our thoughts just yet (or maybe that what they want us to think), what it crazier is that they are actually working shit like this! Right now there is some mofos working to put tracking probes in human flesh... it sounds more like science fiction than reality...

If you look at how fast CPU processing speed has increased in our lifetime, you will realize that it doubles every 18 months! The advancement of technology is not happening linearly with time but exponentially (think about that on for a sec.. if the RFID article was 3 yrs ago there is probably some really crazy "classified" shit we don't even know about). They goverment will trick the gullible sheeple and warm you up to the idea, tag your pets, tag your groceries, your money, your cell phone, then immigrants, then give you a national ID gradually doing a little bit more (not too much at once as to avoid revoltion) and before we know it, they'll be reading your fucking thoughts too! After all your brainwaves are electical waves and it won't be long till they have the technology that can read them too.. Oh but I guess that isn't too scary then, captain sheep, because your thoughts are OK with the government. Well let's take it a step further then, they will be able to control your thoughts in your head! It will probably be some sort of fear pattern waveform designed to make people more "efficient". For those of you who have studied electromagnetic theory you know that anything in the universe can attune to a frequency if it is large enough....

Some of you will say "there's no way the man is that evil". Well I have news for you, they ARe! Look up project MK Ultra where they dosed unwilling participants to try and control their minds. Or project paperclip where the U.S. forgave former nazis in return for coming to the U.S. to work for the government.

If your look at things like federal income tax, the public initially didn't like it but the goverment snuck it in calling it a temporary war tax. Years later we still have it and 51% of it is used to keep the war machine rolling.

NOW is the time to do everything in our power to stop the fascism going on in Amerikkka. I agree with Belladonna Blue, to barter as much as possible. I have been going to barter faires in the NW now for years and love the culture and good vibes that you just can't get at your local Mal-Wart.

Much love to everyone,
Greasemonkey

[hjaystone]

two words;
faraday cage

'faraday cage radio wave' in google coughed up a good sight about RFID;
http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2120

"
Are RFID tags ever implanted in people?

One company offers a surgically implantable LF RFID tag. It is about the size of a grain of rice. Proposed uses include storage of medical data, kidnapping deterrence, building access, and even implantable payment technology. This device transmits a unique identifier at a distance of up to several feet. It has provoked grave concern among privacy advocates."


"honey, we better chip the kids."

"
Can RFID reading be jammed or otherwise obstructed?

Yes. A metal or foil-lined container that is impenetrable to radio-frequency waves is known as a Faraday cage. An RFID tag in a Faraday cage is effectively unreadable. It is also possible to jam the reading of RFID tags with devices that broadcast powerful, disruptive radio signals. Such jamming devices, however, will in most cases violate government regulations on radio emissions."


.... seems believing that using a tinfoil hat made you crazy was *just* what they wanted us to believe! now no one would dare advocate "foil-lining" something to keep the "beams" out.


i'm making a line of fashionable foil lined hemp bags and wallets.

[GreaseMonkey]

^^
Hey thanks for the help man

Greasemonkey

[BodyElectric]

It's the ease of criminal abuse and identity/information theft that gets me. They can be scanned and hacked and all that personal information on that's stored on that driver's license/passport/credit card is now ripe and ready to be abused and used as identity theft and such. Most new technologies will boast how safe they are but this one just isn't up to par yet.

It's a double edged sword. I do think RFIDs have a lot of potential to be useful and good. Like the RFID tags on the pallets - having worked in logistics before, I think that's great.

Spimes are kinda interesting too.

I could probably go on about this topic forever from either side but instead I'm just gonna link you to my RFID guru's blog. This is his 'Arphid Watch' section.

http://blog.wired.com/sterling/arphid_watch/index.html

and here's a video lecture of his.

Lecture On Spimes (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8575858411965484751&q=bruce+sterling)



As for truckers on the side of the road - that probably has more to do with them and cooking their log books than anything else. They've been doing that long before transponders and RFIDs. If you show up someplace too fast then its an indicator that the driver could have been driving over his daily hours. Not only is that dangerous to everyone on the road but insurance companies wouldn't pay shit if they found out.

[athena_skye]

Uhm, if I choose to live in a box somewhere away from all civilization, what are the chances that my box will have onnea those tags?? :(

[Captain Zeep]

Captain Sheep,
While they don't have the capability to track our thoughts just yet (or maybe that what they want us to think), what it crazier is that they are actually working shit like this! Right now there is some mofos working to put tracking probes in human flesh... it sounds more like science fiction than reality...

If you look at how fast CPU processing speed has increased in our lifetime, you will realize that it doubles every 18 months! The advancement of technology is not happening linearly with time but exponentially (think about that on for a sec.. if the RFID article was 3 yrs ago there is probably some really crazy "classified" shit we don't even know about). They goverment will trick the gullible sheeple and warm you up to the idea, tag your pets, tag your groceries, your money, your cell phone, then immigrants, then give you a national ID gradually doing a little bit more (not too much at once as to avoid revoltion) and before we know it, they'll be reading your fucking thoughts too! After all your brainwaves are electical waves and it won't be long till they have the technology that can read them too.. Oh but I guess that isn't too scary then, captain sheep, because your thoughts are OK with the government. Well let's take it a step further then, they will be able to control your thoughts in your head! It will probably be some sort of fear pattern waveform designed to make people more "efficient". For those of you who have studied electromagnetic theory you know that anything in the universe can attune to a frequency if it is large enough....

Some of you will say "there's no way the man is that evil". Well I have news for you, they ARe! Look up project MK Ultra where they dosed unwilling participants to try and control their minds. Or project paperclip where the U.S. forgave former nazis in return for coming to the U.S. to work for the government.

If your look at things like federal income tax, the public initially didn't like it but the goverment snuck it in calling it a temporary war tax. Years later we still have it and 51% of it is used to keep the war machine rolling.

NOW is the time to do everything in our power to stop the fascism going on in Amerikkka. I agree with Belladonna Blue, to barter as much as possible. I have been going to barter faires in the NW now for years and love the culture and good vibes that you just can't get at your local Mal-Wart.

Much love to everyone,
Greasemonkey
Captain "Sheep" haha, clever.

If the government wants to read my thoughts and control my mind I can just wear a tin foil hat. Your paranoia entertains me.

By the way MK ultra was a volintary program where college sutdents were PAID for their perticipation. (fact checking is neat)

[hjaystone]

By the way MK ultra was a volintary program where college sutdents were PAID for their perticipation. (fact checking is neat)where'd you get this fact? and what leads you to believe it is the only truth? you know mkultra was created by the CIA right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
"On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy) said:The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over 30 universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.' Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD) to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' **At least one death, that of Dr. Olson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson), resulted from these activities. **"

http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/samples/xmasacid.html
"But Gottlieb realized there was a considerable difference between testing LSD in a laboratory and using the drug in clandestine operations. In an effort to bridge the gap, he and his TSS colleagues initiated a series of in-house experiments designed to find out what would happen if LSD was given to someone in a "normal" life setting without advance warning. They approached the problem systematically, taking one step at a time, **until they reached a point where outsiders were zapped with no explanation whatsoever.** "

[Captain Zeep]

So the CIA were the first dosers. Cool! Are you sure it wasn't actualy the Freemasons? They are the CIA's puppetmasters after all. To me it actualy sounds like the Erisian Liberation Front (a.k.a. ELF), this sounds like the kind of thing they would love to do and they were in existance at the time of the tests.

[athena_skye]

I don't think I'm doing anything really worth the government "tracking down". I mean, everyone tokes up a lil every now and again, right? Well, my only issue with this is them hearing me take off a load in the bathroom (i.e. -grunting or whatever), or hearing me during sex - there are just some things that people should (be allowed to) keep to themselves :)

[LetLovinTakeHold]

....... I feel like we're being branded like cattle. All of these new "protective" policies are doing nothing but restricting us. I dont think Im ready to trade freedom for protection. Not at all.
"He who trades freedom for security deserves neither." <I can't remember who said that but it was one of Americas founding fathers.

I hope I get the chance to one day leave all of this bullshit behind me. Find somewhere that I can live free, speak free, and feel free all at the same time. It's out there somwhere waiting for me, but only I can find it. Everyone has there own freedoms, and a different place for them to be set free.

[WanderingSoul]

Wow... I just want to say that these are some of the most objective views I've seen on the subject. I grew up baptist and have had this "Mark Of the Beast" thing in my mind for years.

I'm not baptist anymore, but I believe something like it what it predicts might be happening in the near future. All I know is, I'm not getting chipped.

I just hope there is a place for some of us hippies to gather and be free, but I'm afraid we're running out of those. Why do people (the government) seek to take away our happinesses?

This is very sobering.

[†ù®Ké¥ š†ûƒƒïñg]

RFID is going to be in everyones driver's license starting in 2008. There is no avoiding it unless the people decide something needs to be done.

Better belive I'll beat the shit out of my DL with a hammer.

[BodyElectric]

Again, it ain't the government to worry about. Mostly the government doesn't give two shits about you - worry about the criminals.

For your information safety: Hello Kitty (http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2006/08/keep_your_cards.html)

[PunkHippieRimbaud]

I believe it was ben franklin , i completely believe in that quote
i dont like being monitered, i want privacy and i think the goverment needs to respect that!
most rfid chips can be set off it you wrap it in foil

[OleFlowerMan]

Read Capt Sheep's first post. That is fucking scary. And his fact checking really sucks too .

[out_in_the_sticks]

yeapp im rubbin magnets all over my license :P

[RockerDetroit]

Fear is the key word here.
If they can get you to be afraid they have done their job.
Fear of your children being kidnapped, "honey time to chip the kids"...
Fear of your identity being stolen. Fear of being abducted, or of being lost
all those insecurities common to man can be cured, (so they want you to believe) with that amazing satellite array and GPS tracking.
So the media throws its card on the table with new programming, Vanished and Prison Break. The names of these shows are enough to inspire fear in some people.
People eat it up. They love fear.
Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the tool to keep the sheep in the sheepfold.
Even false fears, made up fears, like 911 for example, lotta fear= lotta war.
Bombs on Afghanistan and Iraq and waiting in the wings for those Iranians and North Koreans, because they want nukes and chemical weapons.
Yeah and barney fife on micro dot is behind the wheel, giggling behind his hand.
Like: keep reading the conspiracy theories, it feeds the paranoia and keeps you from functioning. It is easier to believe than to go against the flow.
You dont want your kid to come up missing? Micro-chip
You dont want your cat to be dinner at the local chinese restraunt? Micro chip.
You afraid those horrible prisoners might break free and wreak havoc on your world? Micro chip all them too.
The army wants to know where your son or daughter is at all times. bombs can make a mess of trying to find them, Micro chip them too.

What if the fear factor fails?
What if every person with a free mind, with different views refuses to be afraid? What good would all those chips be?
The only Chips I want are fish and chips at bodes on friday nights thanx.

[BodyElectric]

The only Chips I want are fish and chips at bodes on friday nights thanx.

Or the one running your computer, perhaps...

[RockerDetroit]

Or the one running your computer, perhaps...The cell phone