time travel?

[andallthatstocome]

I found out the craziest thing. tell me if it's complete bullshit. if one has a single sphere with one radius of it, that radius could be oriented in any way along all axes, right? when you have a torus made of spheres overlapping to each other's center, and two radii, there's an infinite number of orientations along two axes. when you have a system of 3 intersecting radii, there's only one axis utilized. does this mean that a fourth radius, at right angles to the others, i.e. in time would result in zero axes? idk, it's kinda esoteric, and I cooked it up in two minutes on too much caffeine an too little sleep, but can someone prove it isn't bullshit? please?

[SunrayDustShower]

wow. you're a genius. i have no clue what you're talking about.

[heeh2]

what the fuck do axes have to do with time travel....

[hotwater]

what the fuck do axes have to do with time travel....
You can transport yourself through linear time if you can visualize the travel through time/space.

1) First visualize a Mobius Strip

2) Then visualize a Klein Bottle

3) Then visual Klein Bottle and Mobius strip as a continuous loop.

4) Then finally visualize yourself traveling through space at near the speed of light and you've become a human time machine


Hotwater

[MaximusXXX]

It's been proven you can travel forward in time but not backwards, unless you can find a wormhole and then who knows what's possible.

I'm sure by 5000 A.D. all this will be figured out.

[heeh2]

time is relative to speed....so just go really fast for like 5 minites and....i forget, time either slows or speeds...one of those 2

[gEo_tehaD_returns]

If you move near the speed of light the natural movement of all the particles in your body (electrons orbiting around the nuclei of their atoms and such) slows down to compensate for the high speed. Nothing material can travel faster than light, but your subatomic particles are already moving about pretty damn fast (even if they're not really going anywhere). Or at least thats how I interpretted my high school second year physics teacher's explanation. So if you were to travel very, very fast in some spacecraft or whatever, time would appear to pass normally inside your craft but extremely fast outside. At the same time, anyone looking in through a window on your craft would see you moving extremely slowly. You would age slower so when you came out of the craft, the universe would have aged much faster than you.

[Shane99X]

Do any of you actually have an answer to the guy's question? i'm curious also

[jacobfredjo]

Nobody has an answer.....which is why this is a good one.....time travel that is....I personally think its a LOT more complex than anyone in our time can even comprehend. You would have to tap into the very material that CREATES everything (the creation/first motion of our "infinite universe" energy) somehow and manipulate TIME....a very un-explored area of our world.

[Chai]

It's been proven you can travel forward in time but not backwardsWait, it's been proven.. does that mean someone has DONE IT? Otherwise, where is the proof? And if they DID do it, but couldn't return to our time, then again, where is the proof? I'm so confused.

[Ironcore]

If you go 1600 light years to the nearest black hole and orbit around it for a while, then return to Earth it will appear as if you had travelled forward in time. This is because the rate at which time elapses is slower near the immense gravity field of the black hole, compared to our Earth. So you come back in what feels to you like 50 years later, but here on earth 50,000 years has passed since you departed.

[JesusChristPose]

everything that is percieved and thought and whatever is all in our mind right? so what if you thought about a moment. any moment, just take a picture in your head and think about it. hasnt time stopped in your head. if not, was time really passing at the moment of that thought?

[andallthatstocome]

how does 0one visualize a mobius strip and a klien bottle in a loop? is it like klien bottles in the form of a mobius strip?

[hjaystone]

any workable time machine would have to be a space ship as well, that, or all be in your head.

i say this because we're all moving, many ways, each layer faster than the next, earth around itself, earth around sun, sun around galaxy, galaxy dancing with other galaxies, all those galaxies being drawn toward an even more massive grouping of galaxies. we're already travelling in time, but also covering vast distances every moment relative to the next.

if one was to "travel in time" from the place one was at in space, either you'd appear far away from where you were in space before travelling, or you'd have to travel in space *while* travelling in time, as to keep to the same relative 'place' you were, and not one moment appear a few lightyears away from the sun looking back at where you before you travelled.

visualization helps.

as you travelled in time you'd have to wrap back around the path of spacetime that you were on, either forward or back, moving back with/through the particles around you, instead of jumping out of spacetime all together. they're all linked, like electro-magnetism, or how light behaves as a particle and wave, or how quantum particles act.

i'm of a mind that we all travel through time as we sleep. everyone of us, everyday, each to return upon waking, but that's a head trip. as if when we lose consciousness we loosen our grasp of perception of the world around us, that relativity that keeps us, and we are washed off into the greater flow of matter through the universe without that 'point' to hold 'here' and 'now'.

of course, until we wake up, and like a rushing river cascading off of a mile high cliff, whoosh, the reality of our own bodies like the rocks at the bottom of the falls turns the water white with motion and redirects it on a slower, more 'earth parallel' coarse for the time, till the next free fall moment of freedom.

peace.

[hjaystone]

as for the 3 axis thing. it sounds like the hebrew meditation of the 'merkabah' or "chariot" or "wheels within wheels", and the plan/progression, or "alphabet", laid out in the 'sefer yetzirah' or "book of creation".

instead of having no axis there would be the sum of the potentials in each direction given from the 3 axes, or 6. a cube (six sides w/ eight points), or a diamond shaped octohedron (eight sides w/ six points), or a star tetrahedron can represent this stage, also simply a sphere about a central point. this is the symbolism of 7, as 6 circles (2d) will surround a center circle, creating another larger circle.

after that comes a dodecahedron, and the symbolism of 12 and 5.
12 spheres (3d) will occlude a center sphere, and also become a larger sphere itself. (again returning to a sphere about a central point, but 'up' one dimension.) this idea has been around for thousands of years, like the idea of 12 disciples, or the 12 signs of the zodiac.

it's a way to envision the relation between 3d space, 4d time, and any 'hyperspaces' or dimensions above that. "consciousness" being the next dimension above space-time, imo.


l,l,&l,

[wildflowerlove]

My sister once knew a man who said he time traveled and that he was in Germany. Supposedly he sounded convincing.
Hell, I don't know.

[commie-dev]

quote from hjaystone- i'm of a mind that we all travel through time as we sleep. everyone of us, everyday, each to return upon waking, but that's a head trip. as if when we lose consciousness we loosen our grasp of perception of the world around us, that relativity that keeps us, and we are washed off into the greater flow of matter through the universe without that 'point' to hold 'here' and 'now'.
of course, until we wake up, and like a rushing river cascading off of a mile high cliff, whoosh, the reality of our own bodies like the rocks at the bottom of the falls turns the water white with motion and redirects it on a slower, more 'earth parallel' coarse for the time, till the next free fall moment of freedom.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------what about insomniacs and people on other sides of the world?

[chawk866]

I took a class last semester that got into this stuff. Einstein's theory of relativity talks about how time is relative to speed as said above. It was really confusing and I just accepted what my professor was talking about but an example he gave is that if two people were born twins on Earth and one took off at half the speed of light or some extremely fast distance and came back to Earth two years later the twin traveling would be 2 and the twin who stayed would be 50.... However, the twin who was 50 would have actually experienced 50 years of normal life as the 2 year old would. Due to the speed difference between each other their "clocks" ran at a different rate. Confusing shit to me. So that's how you can travel forward in time theoretically through his relativity theory but there's nothing been shown to make it possible to travel back in time.

[fryingsquirrel]

I found out the craziest thing. tell me if it's complete bullshit. if one has a single sphere with one radius of it, that radius could be oriented in any way along all axes, right? when you have a torus made of spheres overlapping to each other's center, and two radii, there's an infinite number of orientations along two axes. when you have a system of 3 intersecting radii, there's only one axis utilized. does this mean that a fourth radius, at right angles to the others, i.e. in time would result in zero axes? idk, it's kinda esoteric, and I cooked it up in two minutes on too much caffeine an too little sleep, but can someone prove it isn't bullshit? please?No, because that radius would not be (i.e. or otherwise) "in time", but rather in ordinary 3 dimensional space.

[hebrewnational00]

assuming our "brains" see ( not our eyes, b/c when u see an object, then close ur eyes and visualize the same object, the same exact areas in your brain light up), you could go into celbral cortex i beleive which has the "scense of time" or the "clock" in you, and if you learn to control that which should b totally possible, than u could go foward and back in time, and things will b as far as the rabbit hole, or ur imagination goes.

i think theres a chance, that every individual human, creates everything, as he grows up, he creates the world around him almost instataiously, some of what we create is unexplainable, therefor it is a mystery, ummmm.....this sounds really crazy, but i have a feeling that tells me some of this makes sence, some quote i read said "everything exsits, nothing is real" idk...but if this is true, this means every indivual creates music, art, etc, with his brain, this is why EVERYTHING is possibe, u just gotta master ur brain works, and beleive in urself..

[hebrewnational00]

either that or the hippothurma i forget which area of the brain has time in it, also no one has proven weather our brains see, or our eyes see, nothing is proven

[nooget]

deja vu is supposed to be about time travel- but ive always been interested in astro-projection personally.

[Vegan Girl]

All this mathematical talk is hurting my brain

Wow.

[madlizard]

This threads a trip.


I love reading stuff like this even if I have a hard time grasping physics.

[paintballer687]

All objects are constantly moving at the speed of light. The sum of their speed through the spacial dimensions and their speed through the time dimension always adds to the speed of light. Obviously, this means the speed through time and speed are inversely proportional. Understanding this usually helps in understanding relativity.

[freelove97459]

Try thinking of each sphere having an independantly moving axel connecting it to the other sphere's. Each one is not fixed but rather free to move as it likes. You'll hit the Quantum level going this way :)

[hotwater]

All objects are constantly moving at the speed of light. The sum of their speed through the spacial dimensions and their speed through the time dimension always adds to the speed of light. Obviously, this means the speed through time and speed are inversely proportional. Understanding this usually helps in understanding relativity.
question:

Do you believe there are parallel universes?

And If they exist, isn't that the best possible proof of time travel.

Time travelers from the future coming back in time, thus creating alternate timelines and dimensions



Hotwater

[shaggie]

One approach people have suggested of getting around the speed of light problem is to somehow fold spacetime over onto itself. It would be comparable to traveling through the radius of the earth to the other side and getting there quicker instead of taking the long way around the circumference of the earth.

I don't know if it's possible to fold spacetime onto itself. :)

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[ronald Macdonald]

I have an answer to the original question:

Whatever axis you place within 3 dimensions it only ever allows rotation over 360 degrees

A circle is an object of 360 degrees. A sphere is similarly said to have 360 degrees
because the angle of your axis is viewable in 2 dimensions as well as 3 dimensions and the simplest view is always taken to be the most accurate. 3 dimensions are only used to plot an accurate point in space at any particular time giving height width and depth to any start and end point. The fact that you can put another axis across overlapping spheres is merely an illustration that you can overlap objects that have no extension into space but in practice it means that your model will be wrong as two objects cannot exist at exactly the same co-ordinates. What you have found is that an axis is merely a theoretical proposition in a model that in realitymust conform to known laws of nature. In other words it is not an axis into four dimensions because you cannot triangulate time, only space can be triangulated and time is merely the triangulation of space at different co-ordinates taking into account that distance implies movement and movement implies time

[*Andy*]

If you go 1600 light years to the nearest black hole and orbit around it for a while, then return to Earth it will appear as if you had travelled forward in time. This is because the rate at which time elapses is slower near the immense gravity field of the black hole, compared to our Earth. So you come back in what feels to you like 50 years later, but here on earth 50,000 years has passed since you departed.I have read this somewhere too. I was actually busy typing it before I noticed that you had got to it first. I know this is irrelevant, but was it Bill Bryson who spoke about this in his book A Short History of Nearly Everything?

[ourgenerationsucks]

the only way its possible is if the speed of light can be reached. you cna only travel forward tho.

[Asmodean]

You can transport yourself through linear time if you can visualize the travel through time/space.

1) First visualize a Mobius Strip

2) Then visualize a Klein Bottle

3) Then visual Klein Bottle and Mobius strip as a continuous loop.

4) Then finally visualize yourself traveling through space at near the speed of light and you've become a human time machine


Hotwater
But what if that's not the right way to visualize it? If you visualize it it maybe looks like you found a nice theory but in the case of time travel it says nothing until it's proven. I'm not saying you're wrong though, but there are so much different visualized theories of timetravel.

This threads a trip.


I love reading stuff like this even if I have a hard time grasping physics.
Haha, same here. ;)

[fade]

any one ever heard about the bass player from iron butterfly he was a physicist (sp) and actualy came up with a theory that proved the possibillity of moveing matter at the speed of light he left his house one day shortly after and disapeared there was a huge search for the guy they didnt find him or his van 11 years later he was found 2 miles from his house in his van in an area they had searched wearing the same clothes he disapoeared in and he had only been dead about 2 weeks gov kidnaping?look it up its a fascinating story i think vh1 did a documentary on it

[broony]

It's been proven you can travel forward in time but not backwards, unless you can find a wormhole and then who knows what's possible.

I'm sure by 5000 A.D. all this will be figured out.lol

[Marlyn]

It's been proven you can travel forward in time but not backwards, unless you can find a wormhole and then who knows what's possible.

I'm sure by 5000 A.D. all this will be figured out.aah! neat how did they find that out?!

[salmon4me]

If you go 1600 light years to the nearest black hole and orbit around it for a while, then return to Earth it will appear as if you had travelled forward in time. This is because the rate at which time elapses is slower near the immense gravity field of the black hole, compared to our Earth. So you come back in what feels to you like 50 years later, but here on earth 50,000 years has passed since you departed.
Well then I am buying a space ship and an s-load of weed. Can you tell that time is going by slowly or does 24 hours still feel like 24 hours?

[salmon4me]

any one ever heard about the bass player from iron butterfly he was a physicist (sp) and actualy came up with a theory that proved the possibillity of moveing matter at the speed of light he left his house one day shortly after and disapeared there was a huge search for the guy they didnt find him or his van 11 years later he was found 2 miles from his house in his van in an area they had searched wearing the same clothes he disapoeared in and he had only been dead about 2 weeks gov kidnaping?look it up its a fascinating story i think vh1 did a documentary on it
How about a link?

[tha pope]

has anyone heard of john titor? he was supposedly from the year 2036 and he came back here, in 00-01 and posted up on some conspiricy forums, about all his traveles, and his quantum computer he used to arrive here. i dunno weather this shit is fo real or what, he predicted something called the Z machine, that creates black holes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine
and the technology is quite new....
heres titor....
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/

[Popularity]

CHillAx everybody. Just watch Donnie Darko. It's all there.

[JesusChristPose]

ha, those toobs? ive got those toobs theyre annoying. by the ways theyre nothing like how they look in donnie darko. what the fuck are those toubes anyways? noone knows wha tim talking about

[JesusChristPose]

about those axes. funny you say cause everytime i try to creat more than 3 all but one disappaears and then it rotates. you know, "a new level" lol.

[NeoPascal]

ok heres the issue with practical time travel.
1) it is possible.
2) u have to understand past lives first.
3) the thing about the way time travel works through mental capability is that you can only go (at least in my studies) where your soul has been.
4) again. time travel is completly possible.
5) also, when you go to the past your soul-consiesness(spelling?) from the present and the one from that era switch places. its wierd.
6) time passes faster in the past. 6 hours here can be days there.
7) the farther back you go the faster it passes. 6 hours here can be weeks there.

feel free to msg me about questions because this is a very brief overlay.

[NeoPascal]

oh and if you want proof. help me dig up the time capsule that me and my girlfriend buried in 1963. i know the exact spot.... but its in a park and 4 feet down. i havent had a chance to go get it yet.

[NeoPascal]

has anyone heard of john titor? he was supposedly from the year 2036 and he came back here, in 00-01 and posted up on some conspiricy forums, about all his traveles, and his quantum computer he used to arrive here. i dunno weather this shit is fo real or what, he predicted something called the Z machine, that creates black holes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine
and the technology is quite new....
heres titor....
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
i thought that might get brought up.....
about the only thing from him I find particularly interesting is the existence of the multiverse.

[nb3299]

It's been proven you can travel forward in time but not backwards, unless you can find a wormhole and then who knows what's possible.

I'm sure by 5000 A.D. all this will be figured out.
of course you can travel forwards in time: what do you think were all doing now?

[Asmodean]

Just sitting in the now. Do you have internet in your time machine? Cool! :tongue:

[hitman38]

only way time travel might be possible is thru a blackhole but that would not be really good on the human body to say the least...... you would have to travel at the speed of light to even start time traveling so what gonna to propel you that fast