If aliens dont exist - how come this ?

[Columbo]

watch this video - some people copied it from a secret stash of taped interviews with the crew of a space ship that landed on earth
An alien speaks.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2812084192530401757&q=aliens+area+51&hl=en

well either that or its BS
Very well produced though
Watch it all - the end bit is brilliant

[Make Mangoes Not War]

Well that was wierd.

[pctec]

Who said aliens dont exist?

[severedheadstoner]

I do believe there is other intelligent life out there, but that movie wouldn't be very hard to fake.

[PsyGrunge]

It would be very very very good if this was real. Prove that we are not alone and give us the opportunity to communicate with another life form outside of our own planet. However it was proven fake so ='(

but yeah there's life out there. it's inevitable.

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

The footage has the characters DNI/27 burnt into the bottom line of the frame, along with what appears to be the time code numbers for date, minutes and seconds. The letters DNI could be an acronym for the Department of Naval Intelligence, the group responsible for the Area 51 base, a fact not many people know about.
The DNI connection to Area 51 has been widely investigated. George Knapp, the TV journalist who encouraged Bob Lazar to go public with his knowledge has shown that Lazar's pay cheques from the time he claimed to be working at Area 51 had DNI stamped on them.

[HonorSeed]

I could telepath to the face shown, but I have done it with people in photos and suspect the input of negative emotions is more than I can bear. It remains to be known if there will be a connect later tonight anyways.

My compassion goes out to this intelligent life who must have been taken from a disabled space ship. What I do not understand is why there is not an attempt to pick up this explorer by his own kind, unless it is simply to far away to reach him.

[severedheadstoner]

My compassion goes out to this intelligent life who must have been taken from a disabled space ship. What I do not understand is why there is not an attempt to pick up this explorer by his own kind, unless it is simply to far away to reach him.Actually i pondered that too for a while after watching this movie. I came to two conclusions, one: it's probably fake, two: there's no telling how an alien life form reasons and thinks.

[soaringeagle]

its anodvios fake,the head didnt even seem attached toanythimng, the total lackof detail..come on, anyone withlike $15 bucks to blow on a joke could fake that

[HonorSeed]

two: there's no telling how an alien life form reasons and thinks.Actually it simple how all living things think and reason if they do. Chemical, electrical and magnetic effect are a science.

[severedheadstoner]

Actually it simple how all living things think and reason if they do. Chemical, electrical and magnetic effect are a science.But as they're from a different planet, with, presumably, different make ups of chemicals and energy sources (again, presumably) it would effect them differently. You can't assume alien life forms think the way we do when we know zero about them, it hasn't even been proved they exist yet, and you're already make presumptions about them!

[HonorSeed]

But as they're from a different planet, with, presumably, different make ups of chemicals and energy sources (again, presumably) it would effect them differently. You can't assume alien life forms think the way we do when we know zero about them, it hasn't even been proved they exist yet, and you're already make presumptions about them!Possibly the first presumption in our side discussion was made by me. When I just woke up about 1 am I saw a similar shape morph into a stationary object in the yard about 60 feet away. It is possible they co exist with us with a camoflauging technique similar to the being in the movie Predator. So this being could be a child born here on earth. It has not been proved to me that this movie is fake.

[severedheadstoner]

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif.

[HonorSeed]

Sure there is doubt in what I write. But then earlier today laying with my eyes closed I had a vision of someone taking sheets out of my patio and holding them up for me to see. ON them were couples of people in living color moving like I was looking through a window of space and time and seeing loving male/female couples next to each other moving in front of me, sheet after sheet as the vision person grabbed another sheet of shimmering energy about 4 foot by 5 foot. Teach yourself telepathic awareness then come back with your doubts.

[severedheadstoner]

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. That sounds a bit implausible to me, and i'm wholly ready to acknowledge the existence of other intelligent life forms, if shown reasonable proof

I make no attack on what you believe, i just believe differantly.

[HonorSeed]

You can't teach some people something they already don't know.

[purple-moss]

oh there is intelligent life out there somewhere in our vast universe....however it seams to be lacking in this thread.....http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[PsyGrunge]

I could telepath to the face shown, but I have done it with people in photos and suspect the input of negative emotions is more than I can bear. It remains to be known if there will be a connect later tonight anyways.this confused me completely - what do you mean? you sent and received messages to this alien? and whats this about a connect later tonight??
also, i question how you can make assumptions about life forms from other planets, when, as severedheadstoner said, we don't even know for sure whether life on other planets exist. making assunptions about their chemical makeup is a little arrogant as well, to be honest, as nobody knows anything about anything they (if they do exist) do, think or function - so how can you state certain things about them?
that video has been proven as being fake, so i wonder quite frankly what it is you telepathed with.

i don't know, your thoughts seem too farfetched for an earthling like myself,
peace.

[Ironcore]

Do you remember where you heard/read the vid was proven fake PsyGrunge? I couldn't find a link on google.

The first time I saw it I thought it was fake for sure, but after watching it with the commentary I am not so sure.

[PsyGrunge]

right, i found the link through youtube. that video is posted by several different users, someone posted the link in a video response which led to a page with all the info on, and even how it was done. i can't remember which video it was though. but it's been proven, so im really curious about honorseed's telepathic communication. please, fill me in, honor seed! :)

[woodcat]

Sorry, you're gonna need something more convincing, and real!

[severedheadstoner]

You can't teach some people something they already don't know.I'm more than willing to admit i'm wrong, but not at the word of someone over the internet with no evidence or arguments to back it up other than "you saw something."

Stay off the psych's, they appear to be fucking your brain.

[HonorSeed]

Yeah a mindfuck cometh often from people on the net, thanx a lot.

[PsyGrunge]

it seriously doesn't look like someone on the net's fucking with your mind in this scenario... this looks like self fucketh.

again, peace, telling it like it looks (well, you didn't answer any of my questions so what am i to presume?)

[goin_bonkers]

yea, i'd like some back-up to the "this has been proven to be fake" comment. sure, it could be faked, but until there's some big evidence for it i'm remaining open to all possibilities.

i don't understand why it's so hard to imagine that aliens exist on our planet. seems more likely that they do than that they don't. not having encountered them on a large media scale could be due to a number of possible circumstances.

[HonorSeed]

i don't know, your thoughts seem too farfetched for an earthling like myself,
peace.I dunno either, but whatever it was concentrating on its' face in the bedroom I heard it rustle the leaves right up to my window twice and had a bunch of cold chills run thru my body. Maybe it was your imagination grunge that manifested itself. Seems earthling imaginations are more dangerous than aliens in person. Very scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry! No shit!

[PsyGrunge]

I dunno either, but whatever it was concentrating on its' face in the bedroom I heard it rustle the leaves right up to my window twice and had a bunch of cold chills run thru my body. Maybe it was your imagination grunge that manifested itself. Seems earthling imaginations are more dangerous than aliens in person. Very scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry! No shit!well after thinking about that, it looks like you have the fear. by coincidence that WIND (not something on the screen) is rustling the leaves outside and your window at the same time you're concentrating on this "alien" you see before you. your brain must send abnormal electrical impulses around your body, making your concious mind form a link between these two events and making you believe that this was the alien's way of trying to communicate with you.
this is so weird, this is exactly the kinda shit my friend believes.
tll me, do you believe in signs? not the film with mel gibson, the fact that things around you give you a sign..
kind of in a telepathic way, i can't properly explained but it was an issue with her.

[purple-moss]

I dunno either, but whatever it was concentrating on its' face in the bedroom I heard it rustle the leaves right up to my window twice and had a bunch of cold chills run thru my body. Maybe it was your imagination grunge that manifested itself. Seems earthling imaginations are more dangerous than aliens in person. Very scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry! No shit!
were you self medicating at the time?

[purple-moss]

yea, i'd like some back-up to the "this has been proven to be fake" comment. sure, it could be faked, but until there's some big evidence for it i'm remaining open to all possibilities. that is so cool ...so you still believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy and gobblins under bed ....right?


i don't understand why it's so hard to imagine that aliens exist on our planet. seems more likely that they do than that they don't. not having encountered them on a large media scale could be due to a number of possible circumstances.mostly because physics says its mega hard to do dude....and most advanced cultures conquer and control less advanced cultures....

so if they are here and hiding...what are these circumstances ????

[HonorSeed]

were you self medicating at the time?No I don't even take aspirin, drink or smoke pot for the extremely sensitive physical condition I'm in from a receding cancerous tumor. It may be the pain level that keeps me from shutting out telepathic contact that immediately which happens to most people at the instant of fear. I did the same thing years ago during meditation to keep in continuous contact with visions, I caused a continuous pain to my body which overrode the fear and startled emotions in the brain which cause telepathic input to not reach the conscious level. However, I am firmly convinced telepathic input effects most everyone, I see the symptoms.
Another thought, there was no wind blowing outside when I heard leaves rustling outside up to my window. Whatever came at me moved fast like a large insect the size of that alien in the video. I could not stop the feeling of fear as the sound was being made. Believe me I have no conscious fear of telepathic connections, I was forced to feel fear. So I simply cut off the mental image of that alien face in the video provided here. I had the feeling I was being watched after that thru another open bedroom window and later when I woke up looked immediately outside 6o feet away and saw a vision of a similar alien standing which morphed into a stationary object shape.
Someday if there is a way to hook a computer to a mind to view memories of images, that will be proof I see what I see. In addition it will be a way to find out if someone is innocent of a crime. The approaching science of the brain is fascinating to me.

[HonorSeed]

Another thing, at the beginning of the telepathic connect attempt when I closed my eyes and mentally imaged the face in the video, I suggested we communicate at 60 feet to avoid contminating each other with a microbial virus I believe travels on brainwaves. In fact, being to close to other people causes a phenomena of thinking the exact same thought at the same time which of course causes a problem with communication. The telepathic mind connect is extremely fast and distance seems to help distinguish for a person whether they thought of the sentence or received it.
These things will be proven in the future, maybe near or far future. I may be long gone before my statements are shown to be the beginning of telepathic facts.

[HonorSeed]

Also, forgot to mention on post #30 the nervous energy input of group entity cancelled my connection on line at exactly the same time I posted it on hipforums, that is the second time today it tried to stop communication about it.
It baffles the heck out me how a bunch of subconscious peoples fear and anger can try and stop me as an individual from consciously revealing their effort to control through fear and anger. I don't see any reason to not explain this, for it is a fact, that fear and anger in real life situations, at least cause if not control a lot of peoples' lives. Just look at the Islam nations, they are scared to death of America. Why else would they try to terrorize a nation into seeing their own shadows as Amin put it? Believe me i have seen so many shadows of scared people in this place at one time, hundreds, it looked like a meeting place for an America that was already defeated by the terrorists. Or possibly, the fear that many hundreds of visions reveled was me reaching out to their space. When I asked them who they were, they said "Go home' a lot..and I was sitting in my living room right where I am now. How can I go home if I am already here? hahhaha, scared people are funny.

[PsyGrunge]

<Medical help is the key>
<Neuro surgery might be and issue>
these beliefs seem really interesting but as nothing's been proved or even suggested in this manner it seriously looks like you're going through some kind of dellusional paranoid schizophrenic state. have you ever seen donnie darko?
your life seems like one big acid trip. whatever you do, don't drink peyote cactus button (mescaline) juice.

[HonorSeed]

the original question was how come this? Maybe a reason for doing a well staged fake is the attention it gets, certainly seems to be a reason for the the last post made by PG. Although I have to add the video was a heck of lot more creative and entertaining..........

[PsyGrunge]

but it wasn't really. i'm sorry but if george lucas can create whole different species of aliens in the star wars films then a hell of a lot more creation and originality could of gone into the production of this alien;

but as it stands, it looks like they were on a tight budget.

[severedheadstoner]

Another thing, at the beginning of the telepathic connect attempt when I closed my eyes and mentally imaged the face in the video, I suggested we communicate at 60 feet to avoid contminating each other with a microbial virus I believe travels on brainwaves. In fact, being to close to other people causes a phenomena of thinking the exact same thought at the same time which of course causes a problem with communication. The telepathic mind connect is extremely fast and distance seems to help distinguish for a person whether they thought of the sentence or received it.
These things will be proven in the future, maybe near or far future. I may be long gone before my statements are shown to be the beginning of telepathic facts.You're a bloody looney. Absolutely insane.

[PsyGrunge]

part of me wonders whether you write this as a joke, and another part feels sorry for you.

[HonorSeed]

okay and you are NOT someone I want physically close to me. Your telepathic vibes of sadness are misdirected, you ought to feel sorry for yourself, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed bud. If I wrote this from imagination, I woulda come up with a lot more entertaining story. HAve any trips you aren't afraid to post on hipforums? Or are yo still "Hunting for Psilocybin" like your sig reads bro? Makes me wonder if some people don't think it is hip to put others trips down and not mention theirs. Anyways, I don't write this for you PG, thanks for the compliment head stoner.
I write this for the people who like the idea truth is stranger than fiction.

another true story..........is on the way....but I have written these all before with something like over 4,000 readers on another newsgroup............I'm not wasting time posting here with facts again. I'll start a thread one of these days in another forum and lay out hundreds of stories that make George Lucas movies look tra la la by comparison.

PGs comments reminds me of the supernatural newgroup in England where people get onm bashing people who write they've had supernatural experiences. Then some guy apologizes for laying out his trip to the hosebags who write him he is nuts. Y'all have to realize just cause your ignorant from lack of conscious proof does not mean you're an authority of pyschic phenomena. And drugs won't necessarily get you there. I mediatated for many years before I added chemicals to the already in place telepathic connections. If you had the visions I had just connecting on a drug trip without emotionally stabilizing for many years wiht meditation first.............you would end up in a looney bin permanently. Probably drooling, taking to invisible people with whispered mumbles nad drawing with crayons on the wall, they'd have to strap you down once in a while as you woud fly into uncontrollable rages over stuff like a fellow looney picking her nose. French fries would look like squirming worms and the closed would like the butcher from hell hung peoples internal organs and body parts on hte hangers. You'd be permanently scared to death instead of only temporarily scared reading my true stories. Please be a little more tolerant of others beliefs in the future, there already is a whole country of fanatics named Iraq who believe you PG and head stoner ought to die for not believing the murderous Mohammed who killed people in their sleep is the true prophet of God.

peace

[free2fly]

hey............. here's some more alien images for you to communicate with/trip on. .................

but beware: paranoia feeds on the paranormal, you know.




http://ufocasebook.com/realalien.jpg



http://www.aliensthetruth.com/images/sightings/nightvisitors2.jpg



http://www.kidzworld.com/img/upload/article/a813i1_alien1_3.jpg



http://www.aliensufosfreevideos.250x.com/alien_ufo_pictures_photos_7.html



.................................................. ........


and... heres some, just for fun!.....

http://www.k3pgp.org/seti/aliens.jpg hehe...






http://crapdump.meepzorp.com/alien-execution/

[goin_bonkers]

yikes! lots of negative vibes here, man... i'm headin out..

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

yikes! lots of negative vibes here, man... i'm headin out..
lol...

[paulfreespirit]

good morning space heads everywhere ..........we have contact ........beam my up scotty

[PsyGrunge]

HAve any trips you aren't afraid to post on hipforums? Or are yo still "Hunting for Psilocybin" like your sig reads bro? Makes me wonder if some people don't think it is hip to put others trips down and not mention theirs. Anyways, I don't write this for you PG, thanks for the compliment head stoner.
I write this for the people who like the idea truth is stranger than fiction.fair enough - if there was any truth in what you say?
you'll find i've posted a few bad trips on the forums, just look in the right places. the ritalin binge has been posted and the psychosis i suffered with that, and other trips too. what are you trying to achieve by this? are you trying to turn a none believer with different weays of thinking to yourself into thinking you can read me through the internet?.?.. at first i felt sorry for you, now i'm worried.

and i've had enough psilocybin to send me to hell and back. it's just a name. woop woop.

peace.

[HonorSeed]

i'VE BEEN TO HELL AND BACK.......THE PLACE IS CRAWLING with bugs big enuff to ride. Don't worry for me, I've down enough worrying for me to last ten lifetimes. Hell isn't a figment of your imagination, it's a reality and will kill ya if ya stay there to long. I wasn't doing anything taking drugs then something to do for a new experience, kinda like skydiving sitting in a chair at home. I do read people on the internet and have copies of responses from people thanking me for relating there psychic probs to a real life situation. I wasn't trying to read you tho, so you can relate, I was trying to really stop you from reading me, my mind if ya get caught in it is a haunted house from hell which is already a scary place outside. So don't enter unless you like the feeling of being buried alive in a coffin and having a big blue cosmic spider land on your nose.

here is a link that is interested about being buried alive

History of bells through the ages and this story...
England is old and small, and they started running out of places to
bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones
to a house and re-use the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out
of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they
realized they had been burying people alive.
So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it
through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell.
Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night and listen
for the bell.
Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone was
"saved by the bell" or he was a "dead ringer."
http://www.olympia.anglican.org/churches/seattle/trinity/chimes/2004/01_1.html

[PsyGrunge]

look, i don't want trouble here. just because i don't believe doesn't mean i am against.

[MattInVegas]

It's an OBVIOUS "Video Edit Job". The clear lines between the bottom of the black part, and the alien scream either "Green/Blue screen" technology

or a really BAD edit job. Guess wich is more likely! And the altered voice of the
narrator is a dead give away! Unless people 'THINK' it's the alien speaking.
In that case, I have a tower with a bar and restaraunt on TOP to sell you!
(Formerly known as the "Stratosphere"!)

[HonorSeed]

could be a scam Matt...the reason why someone would go to all the trouble without staging a better script with no chance of making money at it is beyond me, especially since there is no way to approach the film maker for his future fame.
I think the bigger scam people fall for is the idea they will get rich going to Vegas and gambling is the way. btw, I see that blue hue on tons of movies that don't use the blue screen special effect method, maybe what you saw was an anomaly in filming.

[hyperborean]

hey well actually they are all too real but not from other planets, those are other dudes. but from another dimension.

actually Psygrunge u should relate, its a common phenomenon to actually enter this other dimension after eatin shrooms.

u shld all definately read Graham Hancocks- Supernatural, ancient teachers of mankind. best read in a long time!!!

try be more open-minded guys, otherwise might miss out!

[guy]

if honorseed sees all this stuff, good luck to him i say, some people couldn't even pay for that ride he's on.
from my own experience of seeing a ufo its no big deal
i'd say its very difficult to understand alien psychology (if they exist)

if the aliens were anything like us they would have wiped us from the face of the planet in the name of the alien god. (the alien was only created in the alien god's image right, therefore we are an anomaly that can only be explained by the alien devil's work, therefore the aliens are only doing alien gods work. in conclusion we are history. maybe that was the real story behind "independence day"? now thats a conspiracy theory for you.)

[hotwater]

In regard to UFO's and alien abductions, I follow the path of the One

Each year I follow the exact path of Betty and Barney Hill, as they did so on that cold dark September night back in 1961.

A tribute to the indomitable human spirit, alien-human hybrids, and the human will to power.


Hotwater

[PsyGrunge]

actually Psygrunge u should relate, its a common phenomenon to actually enter this other dimension after eatin shrooms. anything experienced under the influence of psilocybin is drug induced and so a source cannot be traced. are shrooms actually spiritual or is that how we feel as the "poisons" flow our minds? psilocybin makes it's own copy of the serotonin indole ring, so it may place you in a reality that differs from normal. just because your mind is telling you something is real, does it mean it is?? or is it all in the mind, which would make it real to you but not an actual event in the outside world (reality).
shrooms are so diverse and unexplainable that it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell whether you are entering this dimension you talk about, or whether you enter many different dimensions all at once. and do you actually enter tis dimension or does it start by contemplating things which then leads to more in the drug induced mind????

[BurntSage]

I don’t think too many people doubt the existence of alien life forms, at least somewhere in the universe, but how close do you think they are to us, and do you think we’ve already interacted with them? This (http://www.mercurytheory.com/) is a pretty silly website, but it brings up interesting points. What if aliens have a say in Earth, and we don’t even know it? Do you think that’s possible? Do you think we are more or less intelligent than they?

[pollock]

its anodvios fake,the head didnt even seem attached toanythimng, the total lackof detail..come on, anyone withlike $15 bucks to blow on a joke could fake that...yep...:)

[clementinexo]

that was interesting.

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

Who likes naked aliens!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df9fLhgAGr4

[freedbypeace]

there's an episode of dharma & greg that reminds me fo this

[HonorSeed]

I didn't see any naked aliens when I was tripping, they were all wearing clothes or a fuzzy blackish color. Maybe some were white, but I dunno if they were aliens or people. The orbs that went speeding by me when I was out in the middle of the universe were light orbs. I think they are still looking for me.

[PsyGrunge]

Now orbs - there is definitely something truthful in orbs - seen far too many, and when you see them it's not like looking at some dust in the air when the light catches it - you just know that there is something fucked up about them when you see them.

[HonorSeed]

My friend says orbs can take you places, I always considered them the brainpower of individuals. I don't wanna go nowhere with somebody that can't even tell me their name.

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

Balls of light/orbs making crop circle..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ajlELeUmA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLzEwJhiAE

[HungryJoe]

I don't know what to make of these videos but I'm definatly a believer.

[HonorSeed]

Balls of light/orbs making crop circle..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ajlELeUmA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLzEwJhiAEI don't know if this combo of crop circles and cows found castrated and dead in fields is a concurrent phenomena, but here is what happened to me.
The concentration of orbs came first in experimental high dosages one month apart with the brain being thought sped up by meth. Subsequent lengthing of intervals to 4 months apart still yielded a continuing myth like legacy of visions that seemed to be emanating from the same place and becoming more knowledgable in ways to torture me as I was allowing it. 'Give me your best show you fuckers' was my motto.
After the orbs and while they continued to show, a couple of times something like an invisible insect crawled up my legs and bite me on the gonad. I was in extreme pain and pinched it tight for a half hour and dared not let it go. It felt like the thing would bite my ball off.
Now these orbs are powered by sexual drive, the essence of all brainwave motor function power outside the body. Since ancient times the sacrifice of cows was ritual. The essence of the greatest sexual drive contains DNA coded commands from our ancestors who used to butcher cows. Eating is an acheivemnet in feeling happy and living. It is very possible that the latent subconscious power of a living persons mind orb seeks to derive happiness as a sacrificial ritual and take on the sexual drive power of another living being. I believe it was the Aztecs who who skinned their recently killed enemy and wore their skins as a ritualistic expression of becoming them or possessing them. The high energy I felt from this areas direction and it was one of the worst verified this.
It is very possible that your sexual desire and ability go down with older age because subconscious mind
--------------------------------
the thinking common consciousness of many has just requested I stop this explanation, so I will comply this time even though I don't always do so.........I prefer one of the differences between me as an individual and a group of peoples brainpower, to be that of unpredictability in reactions. Kept me alive so far as I have travelled thru the valley of the shadow of death and still live:)
There are far to many like visions explained on paramormal studies newsgroups that sre very similar from people who are totally sober to discount mine as drug induced.
Let's face it, living in harmony with each other is a full time occupation, for these days people are extremely toxic to each other if they don't try.

peace
Honor Seed

[HonorSeed]

There is a possibility noone has ever had an original vision except me. All who have ever had visions before me and after me draw from my complete experience. The fragments of others' accounts being part of the whole of mine lend to this idea. Visions transcend time, there is no before and after.I have related to most all civilizations of the universe through the diplomats that materialized. The colored lights of my periphery orb flashed tonight and lite up the place briefly. No one can access my mind data for a peek without seeing the inner mind memory whole. That whole expands so rapidly to all points in the universe, the black of the eye funnels knowledge instantaneously. The ensuing insane feeling to anyone having the same memory as me, even for a short time might be like your light getting sucked into a black hole and forever disappearing from spectral etherial sight in the universe as we know it. So yeah, on the secnd thought, your mind trips may be an internal mind trip and mine are the only external relationships.

peace
Honor

[RiverStone]

That was strange man.