David Icke

[Gravity]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2019722050655154618&q=David+Icke&hl=en


What do you guys think about this? True or not, it's a pretty interesting idea.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

I've read a bunch of David Icke Books...Only read if you have a SUPER open mind. He believes a reptilian life force has come from a foreign planet and has taken control of Humanity...it's crazy shit and I wouldn't say its backed up by evidence but more backed up by old literature from even BC times, it's definitly good research but take it with a POUND of salt. Many believe that David Icke is an anti-semite who replaces "jews" with "lizard people" so he can get away with what he's saying, I personally Don't buy that after reading his books, but he does dabble in a little "holocaust revisonism" which can turn a lot of people off.

[Pressed_Rat]

I like Icke's work, but there are questions regarding David you really need to ask yourself. Icke talks about a lot of important things in his books (I have read almost all of them) which did not originate with him. He talks about the Federal Reserve, he talks about the CFR, he talks about world government, he talks about mass-conditioning and mind control....

These are all important, vital topics that everyone needs to be aware of.

The problem is, Icke goes on to talk about reptilians and such, and for some people like myself, it is a possibility, but there is really nothing substantial to prove it. So you can talk all day about it but get nowhere since it's all based on personal accounts which may or may not be true.

For the majority of people who hear about shape-shifting reptilians, they are automatically turned off and they begin to associate everything Icke talks about with his reptilians, disregarding the rest of his work. Now, any talk about secret societies, the Federal Reserve or 9/11 is just kook talk because in their minds it's coming from the same people who think shape-shifting lizards exist.

NOT that I am accusing Icke of being an intelligence asset, but this is a typical tactic of psychological warfare used by the western intelligence agencies to confuse, discredit and send people looking off in the wrong direction. There is actually a wing of the MI5 that's purpose is to put out disinformation and myths to confuse and mislead the public.

Another question I have regarding Icke, is why can his books be found in almost every major bookstore across the country, yet other books dealing with similar subjects relating to the global conspiracy are nowhere to be found?

You need to ask yourself why this is.

[cynical_otter]

Illuminati Space Lizards!

*puts on Chanel Couture Tin Foil Hat*

[Lodui]

I think if people are going to be crazy, they should do it right.

I like David Icke. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[cynical_otter]

I think if people are going to be crazy, they should do it right.

I like David Icke. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
*hands Lodui a tinfoil hat*

I'm all out of Chanel but I have some Eddie Bauer ones left over from last season.

[Lodui]

The mind control is in the flu shots. Why do you think their given so young?

Flu Shots also cause impared vision. It's because the mole people who run the world are jealous of our superior eyesight. This is all to make us conform to frankly crazy notions of lizards running the world.

Tin foil hats just look cool. I'm not wearing last seasons though. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/devil.gif

[cynical_otter]

The mind control is in the flu shots. Why do you think their given so young?

Flu Shots also cause impared vision. It's because the mole people who run the world are jealous of our superior eyesight. This is all to make us conform to frankly crazy notions of lizards running the world.

Tin foil hats just look cool. I'm not wearing last seasons though. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/devil.gif
Snob.

[gaz or jazz]

so do you people in the states know of icke's history,work and career and stuff.
here in the uk he is regarded as a joke.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Yeah Gaz...people in the states know him, a lot of people like him...I've read a few of his books and I like the stuff he talks about that he actually derives from more credible investigators, like when he talks about the BBCI Drug Laundering Connected to officials in the US government, 911 & JFK, and things like that, but when he talks about reptillians and claiming he has connections from the heavenly father or something like that...it kinda turns me off to his work.

[Pressed_Rat]

The mind control is in the flu shots. Why do you think their given so young?

Flu Shots also cause impared vision. It's because the mole people who run the world are jealous of our superior eyesight. This is all to make us conform to frankly crazy notions of lizards running the world.

Tin foil hats just look cool. I'm not wearing last seasons though. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/devil.gifWhy do you mock things that are so important? Who brainwashed you into believing the government and the interlocking corporate interests that control it want what is best for you and your family?

You don't have a fucking clue!

There are many reasons any informed person would not take the flu shot. You probably don't even know some of the things that are in it. You are probably one of the ones who just rolls up their sleeves like the rest of the sheep without thinking twice.

But it's OK because the government loves you.

Keep on believing the myth that mercury is good for young children and that it doesn't cause brain damage and autism. As a matter of fact, why don't you go eat some mercury and report back to us.

[woodcat]

I actually met David Icke a couple of times back in his 'son of God' days in the late 80s early 90s. He seemed quite normal, except for the purple track suit! But as for the Lizards thing, I think the guy is barking!

[Lodui]

I have a big glass of mercury with my toast every morning. It's what give me the ability to seperate information from fiction.

But I'm a healthy adult, and don't see any reason to get a flu vaccine.

[Pressed_Rat]

I have a big glass of mercury with my toast every morning. It's what give me the ability to seperate information from fiction.

But I'm a healthy adult, and don't see any reason to get a flu vaccine.Well, your idea of "information" is what Ted Koppel and Bill O'Reilly say it is.

[Lodui]

I appreciate O'Reilly for the same reasons I appreciate conspiracy aficionados; invisible enemies.

[Lodui]

Woodcat and David Icke?

[infinite]

so do you people in the states know of icke's history,work and career and stuff.
here in the UK he is regarded as a joke.Yes and that comes from the uk media. It's called a character assassination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination)
That's what happens when someone gets to close to the truth. And especially if your in the public eye, like david was. He's one of the top conspiracy researchers in world, so of course theres going to be some criticism for the things that he writes and speaks about. Some people love him, some people hate him. I think he's a great guy thats just trying to spread a message of truth, freedom, and love.


Video links

Ruled by Gods - David icke Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3266176036225723894&q=ruled+by+gods
Ruled by Gods - David icke Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=185838375826327798&q=ruled+by+gods
Ruled by Gods - David icke Part 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-996880744673162074&q=ruled+by+gods
Ruled by Gods - David icke Part 4
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4148347308581862610&q=ruled+by+gods
Ruled by Gods - David icke Part 5
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1002726846526747244&q=ruled+by+gods
Ruled by Gods - David icke Part 6
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4286781001075873568&q=ruled+by+gods


From Prison to Paradise -David Icke
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=87869282557761133&q=david+icke+illuminati

Secrets of the Matrix - David Icke Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1788098500928248111
Secrets of the Matrix - David Icke Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=868482147553055155&q=matrix
Secrets of the Matrix - David Icke Part 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6360955016636833908&q=label%3Adavid+icke

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

This is true infinite, but the fact remains that he does a lot to discredit more credible conspiracy researches by putting their info in his books and then sorrounding it with conspiracy theories about reptilians controlling the earth....let me say once again im a fan of his books, i've read "Alice in wonderland and September Eleventh" (No it doesnt say the Lewis Carrol story has anything to do with it lol) and "The Truth Shall Set You Free" and I think they were written greatly, but I tend to stick with the things that we can prove and use to make a difference like JFK and 911...and don't indulge in debatable, questionable, less credible things like UFO's and Aliens/Reptillians...just my opinion and I don't disrespect anyone for following theirs.

[infinite]

This is true infinite, but the fact remains that he does a lot to discredit more credible conspiracy researches by putting their info in his books and then sorrounding it with conspiracy theories about reptilians controlling the earth....let me say once again im a fan of his books, i've read "Alice in wonderland and September Eleventh" (No it doesnt say the Lewis Carrol story has anything to do with it lol) and "The Truth Shall Set You Free" and I think they were written greatly, but I tend to stick with the things that we can prove and use to make a difference like JFK and 911...and don't indulge in debatable, questionable, less credible things like UFO's and Aliens/Reptillians...just my opinion and I don't disrespect anyone for following theirs.I totally respect your opinion, but do you actually think he's trying to discredit other researchers.

[gaz or jazz]

i asked if you guys in the states knew his career history and how is he perceived.
over here he is just down as a crank!
probably because of his past career as a bbc sports presenter and then he got involved as a green party spokesperson,thats when he had his visions and started what was perceived as his left field ideas.
one bank holiday monday a group of mods [retro youth culture]went over to the isle of wight to visit his house and proclaim him as the son of god.
ive read the lizard book and found it very entertaining and would recommend it to anyone who wanted a good laugh.

[Nalencer]

i asked if you guys in the states knew his career history and how is he perceived.
over here he is just down as a crank!
probably because of his past career as a bbc sports presenter and then he got involved as a green party spokesperson,thats when he had his visions and started what was perceived as his left field ideas.
one bank holiday monday a group of mods [retro youth culture]went over to the isle of wight to visit his house and proclaim him as the son of god.
ive read the lizard book and found it very entertaining and would recommend it to anyone who wanted a good laugh.

I cannot imagine how firmly closed your mind would have to be in order to read that entire book without getting anything out of it but a laugh. Congratulations on being a computer.

[ExposeTheTruth]

Reptilians? Talk about discrediting oneself...

[Nalencer]

Reptilians? Talk about discrediting oneself...

Oh crap, you're not just running around posting about things you have no clue about are you? Because that could be soooooooooooo embarrassing if someone caught you...

[infinite]

Speaking of reptilians. David Icke speaks with the Great Zulu Shaman and Elder Credo Mutwa about the existence of reptilians. Or the "Chitauri" as they call them over in Africa.

Video of it here.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6842790718258500975&q=Credo+Mutwa&hl=en


;)

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Infinite, in my personal opinion I don't think he is purposely trying to discredit other researchers, I think he just deeply believes in something that many people call him crazy for. He has never backtracked and changed his stories or theories and has always stuck with what he believes so I respect that.

I just think right now the entire conspiracy scene needs to step away from EVERYTHING and put all their effort into exposing 9/11, that is to me the most important thing because if you get people to realize 911 was an inside job and that the govt can cover up massive things and lie about them and get away with them, they will realize that much of the other so called "conspiracies" that they were told not to believe unlessthey're crazy could be true...see what im saying?

[infinite]

Ok, that makes a lot of sense, because I hear a lot of people saying that and I wanted to know if they mean purposely trying to discredit

I just think right now the entire conspiracy scene needs to step away from EVERYTHING and put all their effort into exposing 9/11Right on!

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[aloneinabigbadworld]

I cannot imagine how firmly closed your mind would have to be in order to read that entire book without getting anything out of it but a laugh. Congratulations on being a computer.
As I understand it, David Icke claims that a number of reptiles came from another planet and took on human guise in public as they ran the world. He claims that amongst those that present themselves in this way are the British royal family and (I believe) Kris Kristopherson. He adds that this is a defamation and that because they haven't sued him he must be right.

In contrast to this, there are a number of groups that are associated with advocating defence of the Jewish faith that when Icke talks about reptiles he is using the word reptile as a proxy for the word Jew and stereotyping the Jewish faith.

There was a book called THEM & US by Jon Ronson that came out a few years ago that covered people's beliefs that a cabal of individuals were running the world. It covers a variety of groups, including Icke's, and he came to the conclusion that Icke really believed that reptiles ran the world, even though Ronson himself is Jewish. He wasn't sure about some of Icke's colleagues, but he didn't doubt Icke's motives.

I say all that to say this. It's all very well to say someone is closed minded, but as soon as most people hear what he believes, what do you expect them to do?

[aloneinabigbadworld]

Incidentally Icke argues that the Protocols of the Elders Zion (an anti-semitic tract that can be traced back to a Russian Czar) are true too.

[Pressed_Rat]

Incidentally Icke argues that the Protocols of the Elders Zion (an anti-semitic tract that can be traced back to a Russian Czar) are true too.
What do you mean he believes they're "true"? Are you saying they don't exist? They do exist, but their exact origin is unknown. Many people, including myself, believe the author of the protocols was Meyer Amschel Rothschild. But it really doesn't matter who wrote the protocols, all that matters is that almost everything mentioned in the protocols has become a reality in our moden-day society. Whoever wrote the protocols, Jewish or not, at least had inside knowledge.

The idea that the protocols are a forgery is simply false.

[aloneinabigbadworld]

What do you mean he believes they're "true"? Are you saying they don't exist? They do exist, but their exact origin is unknown. Many people, including myself, believe the author of the protocols was Meyer Amschel Rothschild. But it really doesn't matter who wrote the protocols, all that matters is that almost everything mentioned in the protocols has become a reality in our moden-day society. Whoever wrote the protocols, Jewish or not, at least had inside knowledge.

The idea that the protocols are a forgery is simply false.
I don't dispute that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion exist. They were, however, discredited as early as 84yrs ago as an anti-semitic forgery, a finding supported by a Russian historian in 1999.

You say they were written by someone else. Based on what evidence?

You say that the writer had inside knowledge. Of what? A Jewish plot to take over a capitalist world? Because, lets be clear here, that's what they say. Is that what you really believe?

The protocols say, amongst other things that are equally farsical, that they believe in communism, don't believe in God, are going to enslave non-Jews, create a Jewish "SuperPower," "Forbid Christ," and the like.

The last time I checked none of those had occured.

Finally are you really saying the Protocols aren't false and what do you mean by that anyway?

[Pressed_Rat]

Have you even read the protocols, or are you just going by the propaganda you've heard?

[aloneinabigbadworld]

With the greatest of respect, I try and find out about something before I comment on it, so yes I've read them.



I tried to answer the points you raised. How about you doing me the courtesy of doing the same thing rather than just saying I've been spoonfed lies?

[Lodui]

Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the most well documented forgerys of alll time.

It's plagarised from a work of anti-Napoleonic literature written shortly before the Battle of Leipzing. It was a satirical work, the original writters name was Joly Maurice.

The original work didn't have any anti-semitic references.

It was plagerized by a Russian Czar as work to strenghten the Czars by uniting them aginst the Jews. In the translation the word 'French' was changed to 'Zion', and 'The Emporer' was changed to 'we the jews.'

It is very much a piece of anti-semitic plagirism. The original is quite a good work of political satire. Sort of The Colbert Report of Napoleonic France.

Heres the original at amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739106996/ref=sr_11_1/102-9358446-8233760?ie=UTF8

[Pressed_Rat]

Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the most well documented forgerys of alll time.

It's plagarised from a work of anti-Napoleonic literature written shortly before the Battle of Leipzing. It was a satirical work, the original writters name was Joly Maurice.

The original work didn't have any anti-semitic references.

It was plagerized by a Russian Czar as work to strenghten the Czars by uniting them aginst the Jews. In the translation the word 'French' was changed to 'Zion', and 'The Emporer' was changed to 'we the jews.'

It is very much a piece of anti-semitic plagirism. The original work is quite a good work of political satire. Sort of The Colbert Report of Napoleonic France.
....all coming from a person who is nothing short of a spokesperson for the Bush administration.

[Pressed_Rat]

http://www.savethemales.ca/000298.html

Protocols Forgery Argument is Flawed



By Henry Makow Ph.D.
December 14, 2003

http://www.savethemales.ca/masonicdesign.jpg (http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=374&z=1a=374&z=1)

Next to the Bible The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is perhaps the mostly widely read book in the world.

Published in Russia in 1903, it purports to be the leaked master plan for "Jewish world domination." It is the kind of thing that would be studied at secret workshops of an occult society.

In different ways, both Zionists and Nazis have made it synonymous with virulent anti Semitism and genocide.

But surely Jews should not be blamed for the machinations of a tiny secret society. The vast majority of Jews would disavow this master plan if they believed it existed.

Surely one can condemn all racism and genocide in the strongest possible terms and still believe the Protocols are authentic.

In my opinion, the equation with anti Semitism is really a ploy to divert attention away from this master plan.

The plagiarism claim is part of a propaganda campaign waged by conscious and unconscious collaborators in academia and the media.


THE FORGERY CLAIM

We are told that The Protocols of Zion is a hoax, a "proven forgery" concocted by the Tsarist Political Police (the Okhrana) to incite anti Semitism and discredit revolutionaries.

But the "proof" is far from convincing.

It consists of three articles published in The London Times (http://www.rense.com/general45/proto.htm)(August 16-18, 1921) by Philip Graves.

According to Graves, Protocols is a crude, chapter-by-chapter plagiarism of Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864).

It was easy to make this claim while Joly's book was unavailable. Napolean III's police confiscated it as soon as it was published.

But it is available now and I invite you to compare the two texts. In my opinion, they are entirely different in tone, content and purpose. At 140 pages, Dialogues is twice as long as Protocols. Most of it finds no echo in the Protocols.

The crux of Graves' argument is that certain references and passages in Protocols were lifted from Dialogues. He claims there are 50 of these and produces about a dozen.

Their striking resemblance to Protocols leaves little doubt that the author did refer to the Dialogues as part of his research. He had no compunction about borrowing or reshaping a few passages that struck his fancy.

Indeed Philip Graves is "struck by the absence of any effort on the part of the plagiarist to conceal his plagiarisms."

That's because he had nothing to hide.

He was not Graves' "unimportant precis- writer employed by the court or by the Okhrana" to construct a hoax.

He was a diabolical genius crafting an original work. It is simplistic and disingenuous to characterize Protocols as a hoax.


POLITICAL PROVENANCE

Graves' article smacks of a Zionist propaganda operation. Graves "expose" of Protocols appeared in August 1921 when Zionists were pressing the League of Nations to turn Palestine into a Jewish homeland under British Mandate.

Philip Grave tells the unlikely story that a "Mr. X" brought the Dialogues to him in Constantinople where he was the Times' correspondent. Mr. X presented it as "irrefutable proof" that the Protocols are a plagiarism.

Mr. X was a White Russian, which seems incredible given the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution. He claims he bought the book from, get this, "a former member of the Okhrana" who had fled to Constantinople.

In The Controversy of Zion, (Chapter 34) Douglas Reed, a Times' staffer at the time, provides additional background.

In May 1920, Lord Northcliffe, a part owner of The Times, printed an article about the Protocols entitled "The Jewish Peril, A Disturbing Pamphlet, A Call for an Enquiry. " It concluded:

"An impartial investigation of these would-be documents and their history is most desirable...are we to dismiss the whole matter without inquiry and to let the influence of such a book as this work unchecked?"

Then in May 1922 Northcliffe visited Palestine and wrote that Britain had been too hasty to promise it to the Jewish people when in fact it belonged to 700,000 Muslim Arab residents.

Mr. Wickham Steed, the editor of The Times of London in 1921 refused to print the article and Northcliffe tried to get him fired.

Somehow Steed was able to have Northcliffe declared "insane" and committed. Later Northcliffe complained he was being poisoned and died suddenly in 1922.

Douglas Reed was Northcliffe's secretary but didn't learn of these events until they appeared in the Official History of the Times in the 1950's.

Clearly Northcliffe had offended some "big boys" when he opposed the British Mandate in Palestine. Why was it so important?

Israel is intended to be the capital of the Masonic World Government. They are already constructing the infrastructure. See "The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem." (http://thegoldenreport.com/articles.asp?id=00180)


THE FORGERY CLAIM IN MORE DETAIL


Philip Graves and the other apologists are incorrect to claim the Protocols plagiarize the Dialogues chapter by chapter.

Graves writes that "the Seventh Dialogue...corresponds with the fifth, sixth, seventh and part of the eighth Protocol. "

At eight pages, these Protocols are twice as long as the Seventh Dialogue.

They mostly contain material not in the Seventh Dialogue, or anywhere else. I will list a few examples from Protocol Five alone.

Protocol Five says "our kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportions" that it will "wipe out any goyim who oppose us by deed or word."

In contrast Seventh Dialogue says, "Death, expropriation and torture should only play a minor role in the internal politics of modern states."

Protocols Five says we "robbed [the goyim] of their faith in God" and "insinuated into their minds the conception of their own rights" thereby undermining the authority of Kings. There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.

Protocol Five says, "we shall so wear down the goyim that they will be compelled to offer us international power [allowing us] gradually to absorb all State forces of the world and to form a Super-Government." There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.

Protocol Five says the "engine" of all states is "in our hands" and that engine is "Gold." "We were chosen by God Himself to rule over the whole earth." There is nothing comparable in Dialogue Seven.


ON THE OTHER HAND

The author of Protocols does select a few passages or references from Dialogues that appear unaltered (see Graves) or in different form.

For example, the Dialogues' say: " Everywhere might precedes right. Political liberty is merely a relative idea. The need to live is what dominates states as it does individuals."

In Protocols this becomes, "From the law of nature right lies in might. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact, and one must know how to use it [political freedom] as a bait whenever it appears necessary to attract the masses ... to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority." (Protocols 1)

Graves leaves out the last part to make the resemblance seem greater than it is.

Dialogues (7) say, "Revolutionary ferment which is suppressed in one's own country should be incited throughout Europe."

In Protocols (7) "Throughout all Europe ... we must create ferments, discords, hostilities." There is no reference to suppressing these in one's own country.

The author of Protocols is not a forger creating a hoax, but a conspirator forging an original work.


SAME GENRE, DIFFERENT CONCEPTIONS

Both books belong to the "immoral school" of political theory. Machiavelli pays homage to a long list of rulers "who are progenitors of my doctrine." Both preach might makes right, "good" comes from evil, and the end justifies the means.

But the similarity ends there. The tone of the Dialogues is dry and theoretical. It is a debate between fictional political theorists: Montesquieu a champion of democracy and Machiavelli, a champion of tyranny. Dialogues is considered a critique of the reign of Napolean III.

Montesquieu asks how to quell the spirit of anarchy in society. Machiavelli prescribes a "monster called the state" which maintains a democratic artifice but is actually controlled by the "Prince." He talks about how to suppress secret societies.

On the other hand, the tone of Protocols is frankly conspiratorial and subversive and pays homage to Lucifer. Protocols is a "strategic plan from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labour of many centuries come to naught." (Protocol 1)

We are struck by a sense of relevance when reading Protocols. We immediately recognize its baneful influence in today's world. See "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion?" (http://www.savethemales.ca/000223.html) "Protocols is the NWO Blueprint" (http://www.savethemales.ca/000205.html)and "Protocols Dominates Our Culture" (http://www.savethemales.ca/000211).


PROPAGANDA

Since Graves' articles, there have been a few books arguing the "forgery" thesis. The latest is Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide (http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/cohn.html)(1970).

Graves and Cohn admit that "the Financial Programme" (Protocols 20-24) which the author calls "the crowning and decisive point of our plans" is largely original.

For serious researchers, Australian researcher Peter Myers presents pro and con views. (http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/toolkit.html)

Goebbels said that propaganda is effective only when the reader doesn't realize it is propaganda. It follows that dupes write the best propaganda. For example, see Rick Salutin, Protocols of Zion's Critics. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031212/COSALU12/TPColumnists/)

CONCLUSION

One hundred million people were slaughtered in the last century but no one considers the possibility that the human race might have been subverted.

War is hell but no one thinks Satan worshipers might be behind it.

I suspect the Second World War was a battle for racial superiority between Jewish and Aryan wings of the Illuminati who in fact are united at the top.

The private central bankers of England, the U.S. and Nazi Germany made the war possible. They worked as one at the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland. (See Charles Higham, Trading With the Enemy.)

The purpose of the war was to degrade, defraud and demoralize humanity. The Holocaust provided a rationale for the establishment of Israel as headquarters of the New World Order. Aryans, Jews and many others were sacrificed and exploited.

In my opinion, the outlawing of Protocols on pain of death in Bolshevik Russia and its execration in the West today proves its authenticity.

Mankind is in the grip of a diabolical conspiracy. In order to make good people do bad things, truth must be tailored to fit the political purpose. This is Communist and feminist teaching.

I would like to be proven wrong, but in the case of Protocols, the "forgery" argument is propaganda.


See "Protocols of Zion Updated" (http://www.savethemales.ca/000334.html)

[Lodui]

If that were true, what would it have to do with The Protocols being a forgery?

Maybe I'm secretly a zionist plant. Mwa ha ha. Hahahahahaha!

[Pressed_Rat]

If that were true, what would it have to do with The Protocols being a forgery?

Maybe I'm secretly a zionist plant. Mwa ha ha. Hahahahahaha!
Read the article I posted.

[Lodui]

Of course, Henry Makow also says that a satanic jewish cabal of bankers is working to destroy christianity.


I reccomend people read both too.

[Lodui]

Oh, the article does blame it on propaganda by satanic jews.

Carry on.

[yonosoymedico]

regardless, these arguments are futile... this article http://www.savethemales.ca/000166.html points out more of the problem... leave "he"(right, pro-semitic, whatever) said, "she" said(left,anti-semitic,whatever) arguments behind...thats the point..... the truth is that this world is so vastly complex that we must stand up, question and see the truth out there...whatever it may be... and be one of the solutions that may "take ten thousand or a million forms."

lovinlight
adam

[yonosoymedico]

My question... how is it that Alex Jones and David Icke are saying the same exact things.... seems odd.. I often wonder if theyre part of an extreme disinformation channel, which may be often telling the truth, but to the point where we, the public, are even more lost once we find some of the truth in their sea of truth mixed with lies.... I wish that were true, but often I feel it might just be a subconscious response mechanism to allow me to see other possibilities... however, the truth shall set us free..

anyone remember hearing of john titor a few years back? interesting to remember, after reading/hearing from the two aforementioned researchers

[Nalencer]

I'm not familiar with Alex Jones, but could it be they say the same things because they're true?

[yonosoymedico]

Yeah thats my question... check out prisonplanet.com or infowars.com... either it seems like it could be the truth, or theyre using similar rhetoric for a mass(albeit small) mind change... often while reading 'the biggest secret' i felt like icke was mind controlling me as much as the government was mind controlling the people in his stories.... even on 'secrets of the matrix' the video it shows icke sitting in the highest ranking freemason throne in london.... he tried to make it come off as a joke, like 'look where i got to sit' but who knows if thats not more 'secret' language to show to the few who he's really working for..... the point i guess, is to question all, even those who seem to be questioning best... because it is possible, with the detailed information that he's giving, that he could be giving more than the truth to thrwart our ability to filter out the lies....(just like watching steven colbert on comedy central, often i feel that he's not joking...at first I was convinced it was hilarious sarcasm but after a few weeks and months I started feel that the joke was on us who believed him to be using sarcasm, who knows? how can we know?.... i dont

[nimh]

okay, so here's the big question of the day...

WHY?

why do they want us to believe all of that stuff?

[yonosoymedico]

so we can fix it..

this is better, clearer and more real in my opinion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198&q=aaron+russo

[Nalencer]

Yeah thats my question... check out prisonplanet.com or infowars.com... either it seems like it could be the truth, or theyre using similar rhetoric for a mass(albeit small) mind change... often while reading 'the biggest secret' i felt like icke was mind controlling me as much as the government was mind controlling the people in his stories.... even on 'secrets of the matrix' the video it shows icke sitting in the highest ranking freemason throne in london.... he tried to make it come off as a joke, like 'look where i got to sit' but who knows if thats not more 'secret' language to show to the few who he's really working for..... the point i guess, is to question all, even those who seem to be questioning best... because it is possible, with the detailed information that he's giving, that he could be giving more than the truth to thrwart our ability to filter out the lies....(just like watching steven colbert on comedy central, often i feel that he's not joking...at first I was convinced it was hilarious sarcasm but after a few weeks and months I started feel that the joke was on us who believed him to be using sarcasm, who knows? how can we know?.... i dont

Stephen Colbert is in character on the show. That's his the persona he protrays, but that's not the real guy.

[yonosoymedico]

glad you respond to an aside that i had... anyway how can we know anything... of course its a show, and people on shows are called characters but he's talking about 'real' life events...therefore his opinion and the agenda of the writers of the show does exist. im not having an argument/discussion about this...regardless I was just stating my personal opinion of my experience watching that show and wondering where the real alliances lay... funding has to come from somewhere, advertising? exactly... we cant know unless we are network producers, which i doubt any of us are...

[Nalencer]

His show is aired on Comedy Central. That might be a hint a the fact that it's tongue-in-cheek. He is a not a character in the sense of, say, Malcolm In The Middle, which is purely fictional, but he does the show "in character", purposely parodying people like Bill O'Reilly, Joe Scarborough and Geraldo Rivera. If you need any more proof, he came from the Daily Show, which is open in it's criticisms. Maybe I took your comment wrong, but if you aren't saying it's not an act, I can't tell what you are saying. Anyone with a few working brain cells can tell he's not serious.

[yonosoymedico]

dude, I know that.i was just having an aside being that i generally write and think in streams of consciousness...thanks for your criticisms though...

[yonosoymedico]

nimh, I think its because theyre part of a covert terror operation to further terrorize our fragile little minds... the bastards.

[nimh]

okay, why do they care about our fragile little minds, really.... so that they can control us, but to what end? why do they care?

[hotwater]

Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the most well documented forgerys of alll time.


That's what the Jews would have you believe :mad:

Their sole purpose on this earth is seize control over the world bank, and the monetary fund (to whatever zionist end they see fit)

They've been outcasts for over 2,000 years, they're paranoid, and dangerous.


Hotwater