Lowryder Hybrid

[ThinK]

Has anyone heard of the strain Lowryder? Basically, it's an auto-flowering hybrid which harvests completely within about 45-50 days and grows no taller than 12 inches. It starts flowering in less than 10 days!! This is a revolution in stealth indoor/outdoor growing. And growing for beginners. Oh, and did I mention it gets you really high?

With its Indica-dominant genetics, it's a cross of Williams Wonder, Northern Lights #2(Oasis) and a 3rd, unknown, Mexican Ruderalis strain. It usually harvests around 7-10 grams per plant which is good considering seed price and the short time it takes to flower. Man, selective breeding is some crazy shit.

Here is a ready to harvest Lowryder, after only 45 days!!

[meangreen]

Good for people without alot of room who require the stealth grow,but worthless otherwise in my opinion.It looks good but I just see no purpose to a autoflowering pigmy plant as autoflowering is a trait I highly avoid!

[geckopelli]

I can grow a seed ready enough for harvest in 70 days- with 1- 2 oz on it. That's much more efficient, but still- big deal.


When you can get a QP on a single plant in 60-80 days or less than you've got something.

[ThinK]

Yeah.. Of course anyone would want a larger plant and be able to yield a few ounces(hell, even a few pounds if you wanna talk large outdoor sativa strains) but not everyone has the space or time to do this as I'm sure you 2 do. This plant is for people who either need to stealth grow, or simply only have little room to grow in. It's also perfect for beginners..

For the amount of time it takes, if you get a bunch of these plants going at a time and keep re-planting at the right time so you can keep your stash going.. Not to mention the potency.. these are some great genetics.. It's for small,personal stashes. I think alot more people will start growing indoor once these seeds are more widely available, it's so easy and 100% stable

[LivingLegends]

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[geckopelli]

Every few years some one tries to introduce a ruderalis strain as the next thing. It always fails.


For one thing, ruderalis is true weedy cannabis- using it is like bredding with hemp. It's geared to grow seeds as quickly as possible, and has an overwhelming tendecy to turn herme when not pollinated.

...and still, a NL from nirvana grown under 12 hours from day one will easily produce in excess of an OZ from a 9" pot in 60 days or so. That's minimum four times the yield in two additional weeks in the same space; and I'll dare say much superior bud.

[ThinK]

Once again.. Anyone would rather grow a larger plant like NL.. That's not the point, or the reason for these genetics...

And as far as superior potency goes I disagree.. Williams Wonder X Northern Lights #2 is a very potent hybrid.. The #2 is a cross with Oasis, a very potent strain which adds a nice touch to the NL. I've smoked some top strains, including NL, and LR was definately up there with them..

Once I get my own place or a better location to grow at, Lowryder probably won't be an option anymore.. I'd get some powerful, resinous genetics like G13 or some kind of haze.. Just not everyone can do that right away..

[meangreen]

There is a time and place for everything,perhaps this could be a great gateway variety for more up and coming growers who do not have the resources to grow non rudy hybrids.

[Mr_Soul]

These short autoflowering plants appear as a 3rd structural pheno in heirlooms from Nepal and rarely the Hindu Kush. These are high altitude plants and are the result of culture in areas surrounded by steep and high mountains like the Himilayas growing in spots prob. in the neighborhood of 6,000 ft maybe up to 10,000 ft making for a short season, and those farmers who were not south facing would experience a more dramatic daylength reduction with those tall mts. blocking sun.

The mighty mite that is available nowadays is himilayan x ruderalis x himilayan x himilayan and Ibl'ed or something like that, the himilayan used was actually the original mighty mite, it is not autoflowering and is still being grown by the oldtimers, so the newer mighty mite has 3 phenos and only the shortest is autoflowering.

I've popped 40 of the newer mighty mite and the tiny low-ryder-like pheno made up about 15% of the population. My theory is that ruderalis found its way out of the himilayas by the scythians or their predecessors and dropped as bagseed as they "gangbanged" their way to their homeland the altai, and there it eventually became feral. Judging by the amount of paraphenelia they left behind those plants were probably ok smoke at that time.
Feral northern cannabis seems to end up at a mean thc of 1% but I'm sure you would find plants with almost no thc and some with 2-3%, also the ryder has something different in the high that will get one buzzed in a new way.

I'm using a lowryder male in some new hybrids and 100% of the offspring are autoflowering so that would make it a fully dominant trait. I am wondering the future of this strain since we are dealing with very short generational gaps and since progressively taller parents are being selected, environmental pressures may cause another taller pheno to express itself at some point in the future and maybe even some non-autoflowering plants. That could be a potential result of inbreeding without adding some of the original genes back into the mix, which I hope jd (creator of the strain-Joint Doctor) is doing, the end user will have no choice but to deal with the reality of a decreasing gene pool, I'd say it would be a good idea for some of you to swap some lowryders every so often to maintain a more complete gene pool.

P.S - Under high-intensity lighting, plants grow slightly taller and branchier. Will post actual weights in the next few days.


In a closet situation, with say 250 watts, sure you're only going to get tiny plants. But Lowryder will grow much bigger buds when grown under high intensity!


I have shattered the weight record with the latest crop of Lowryders.
My best plant gave 61 g of bud and seed, measuring only 12.5 inches.

Yes, 61 gs. 2 oz folks. Most LR plants didn't yield half as much as that. Guess which seeds will be used for the next generation. :cool:

[ThinK]

Thanks for the reply mr.soul

Those are some big bushy lowryders, damn! 61gs is very impressive.. This strain definately has some potential.. 1 small downside is that they can't be cloned due to the early auto-flowering, but good news is the seeds are cheap

[Mr_Soul]

You're welcome Think. Though I must stress that 61g was a seed + bud yield, and obvioulsy if the plant wasn't pollinated it may have weighed less. ;)

Here's a couple I have going now around day 20. Showing sex already.

[geckopelli]

Why do you buy in to the myth that NL, etc., must be grown large for a long time?

Grown at 12 hours exclusively, 90% of plants will finisf in 10-12 weeks with much better yield.

If your buds were fully seeded, 61g is little more than 1/2 oz of smoking material.

where's the advantage? Can you grow a seedless bud? Or is the herme tendency overwhelming?

Regular plant, two months, two oz, 250 watts light, no seeds.

[meangreen]

My only question is why spend the time on genetics that have no yield value,let alone auto flowering tendencies,and hermaphroditism when you can grow any a number of strains that yes,may take 13 weeks but a idiot can quadruple the yield you get from any rudy hybrid and have none of the negitives you find with any and all ruderalis I have come across.Seems to me you mentioned that the mity mite as being IBL'ed which should tell ya to stay away from as a breeding strain for without any of the original parent stock to back cross to the enevitable doom of all proginy from inbreeding(typically self pollination), will all but wipe away anything of value.I am guessing you are gonna use them beans from your self pollinated 61 gram plant to carry on yet another generation of hermies.What exactly is it that you are trying to accomplism.Any one with breeding experience stays as far away from auto flowering tendancies as they can,same for anything that carries on hermaphroditism into future generations.I just dont see it.I think its great your going to the extent of breeding and trying to carry on a particular strain,just not ruderalis hybrids.There are plenty of other avenues to take to produce yields in shorter times as Geck gave a example.I can take only 3 buds from from my strain and they outway your whole plant ,seeds and all and in 90 days from seed.Please elaborate as I would like to know yuor objective with this!

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE

Here is a NL put into flower after the cutting took to root.Finished in 52 days.NL is more stable and can be grown in a number of ways.As you can see in this pic.

[Mr_Soul]

@ Geckopilli "Why do you buy in to the myth that NL, etc., must be grown large for a long time?"

Hmmm, point out where I said this in any of the above posts please. Northern Lights originally had 7 phenotypes. #1, #2 and #5 were the best. #3, #4, #6 and #7 were never brought to Europe. Eventually #1 was dropped as well, and now there is only #2 and #5. Sensi seeds "plain" NL (NL#2 xNL#5) is the only version I'd ever bother growing. NL is approx. 80% Afghani, and 20% Highland Thai.
Nirvana strains are extremely unstable and haven't any place in my growroom.

"Grown at 12 hours exclusively, 90% of plants will finisf in 10-12 weeks with much better yield."

So you're suggesting your Nirvana NL's take 10-12 weeks from flowering rooted clones? Sound sativa to me. That's far too long. But what can one expect from $15 seeds. Seems Mau didn't pull the "knockoff" off too well, and NL is one of the easiest strains to "knockoff".

"If your buds were fully seeded, 61g is little more than 1/2 oz of smoking material."

I think you need to get your head out of Mel Frank's grow books. I selectively pollinated one branch, which produced approx. 75 seeds. How does that turn 61grms into 14? You're suggesting 75 seeds weigh 47grms... :confused:

"where's the advantage? Can you grow a seedless bud? Or is the herme tendency overwhelming?"

If you were to compare LR with all the other strains on a cubic feet basis, I'm sure you'll find that there's no better use of space ever. Your entire grow operation, including potting medium, plant, lighting and fitting's can be under 20 inches tall. How Many of them could you fit in your room? I believe that amounts to 3-5 rows high, producing 1.5oz/sq.ft every 8 weeks.

Lowryder's pedigree:
NL#2 (also known as Oasis or Closet Queen) was hybridized with a ruderalis-type plant. The resulting cross was mated with an original William's Wonder mother. Selections of this second cross were used for further multiplication, where the first selections of auto-flowering plants were made. These selections were then stabilized over 9 generations.
I can't reveal more about the ruderalis-type ancestor, since it really has no name, and is unknown in the global community.

You could even veg. them if you had envirolites and foliar cytokinens (nitrozyme/growth plus or kinetin spray), I recommend a spray of the nitrozyme at least, you will get a bigger lowryder, or you could root feed a couple of times with a high dose of liquid karma added (20-30ml/ltr), that will get you a bigger more robust lowryder.

You could carpet plant lowryder outdoors. I'd say white clover or yellow hop clover would work well with lowryder, both are N fixers and only grow a foot or so.

Lowryder does not herm. I have not seen a single plant herm. It is extremely stable. It finishes within 45-50 days of sprouting. It is very uniform. All plants flower within 1-2 days of each other. If grown well it gives a strong, pleasurable indica high with a slight peppery taste. Smell is minimal.

From providing an easy plant to grow that requires almost no previous growing knowledge, for beginners to get started, to providing a plant that can be grown with ease at the very most northern lattitudes, to providing the fastest way of getting "bud" ever, to opening the door to a whole new world of superstealth growing...

There is simply no other plant near it. Bear in mind I have grown well over 150 strains of cannabis.

"Regular plant, two months, two oz, 250 watts light, no seeds."

What are you indicating with this? Are you saying you grow 1 plant under a 250 watt light and only produce 2 oz. You should really give it away. I am disappointed if I don't pull 2grms/watt. Grams/watt is a far better measuring stick by the way.

I hate to feed the trolls, but you seem like amateurs, and you really need to reevaluate your growing methods. I will address the other troll "meangreen" and teach him the basics of breeding asap.;)

P.S - thought I'd add some pictures of some proper buds. Best yield off a plant indoors 3 3/4lbs. Outdoors 6 1/2 lbs. But ya, whatever...no biggie!!!

[eccofarmer]

NAMASTE

One thing should be brought up here.What one finds to be what they like others will have there veiws on whats better.For me what ever i find that i can still learn from keeps me at that strain for some time.I have my favorites and soon Chronic and aks are ones that have my eye.That is what is so nice with the many strains out there.One for each person.Great points made by all but again everyone has there veiws and that is what this boards about.Sharing and learning.But most of all the kind vibes from one and all.
Big hugs to you all and greener days to all.

[meangreen]

Mr_Soul,you can keep your breeding 101 lessons for someone who needs them.You have proven to be easily agitated from peoples opinions on a subject you take to heart.I simply voiced a opinion and asked why you pursue a hybrid that most growers have no desire to have in there garden and what you hope to achieve. Is that the way you face confrontion from others opinions by name calling and assuming others knowlege?I do hope whatever it is you hope to achieve comes to you and wish you well in your endeavors but do not waste your breath with any more animousity towards others who simply exercise there right to a opinion!Happy Trails,MG(alias troll)http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon16.gif

[geckopelli]

"Why do you buy in to the myth that NL, etc., must be grown large for a long time?"

"Hmmm, point out where I said this in any of the above posts please."

I understood you to be touting the 45 days 'till harvest as the main strenght of this breed. Did you not discount the low yield in favor of the quick turn around?

" Northern Lights originally had 7 phenotypes. #1, #2 and #5 were the best. #3, #4, #6 and #7 were never brought to Europe. Eventually #1 was dropped as well, and now there is only #2 and #5. Sensi seeds "plain" NL (NL#2 xNL#5) is the only version I'd ever bother growing. NL is approx. 80% Afghani, and 20% Highland Thai.
Nirvana strains are extremely unstable and haven't any place in my growroom."

your point?
No seed bank seed are particularly stable. Neithier are closet breds. Still, I grow my own line, adding genes both methodically and haphazardly. I'll shoot for stability later; and stability can't include eithier auto-flowering or herme tendencies.

Nirvana, like all the dutch breeders, simply "steals" genetic material from everyone else.

"Grown at 12 hours exclusively, 90% of plants will finisf in 10-12 weeks with much better yield."

"So you're suggesting your Nirvana NL's take 10-12 weeks from flowering rooted clones? Sound sativa to me. That's far too long. But what can one expect from $15 seeds. Seems Mau didn't pull the "knockoff" off too well, and NL is one of the easiest strains to "knockoff"."

I don't grow clones. The grower is breeds and grows.
I'm talking from seed in hand to bud in hand. No time wasted growing and cloning.
10 to 12 weeks turnaround is a lazy estimate for a first timer. I can easily produce bud from most seed in about 10 weeks. 8 weeks untill high-end commercial quality on the house mainline so far; that's 2-3+oz.
ANYBODY can grow 2+oz in 3 months WITHOUT seeds in the buds. And that puts 61 seedy grams in 45 days to shame.

"If your buds were fully seeded, 61g is little more than 1/2 oz of smoking material."

"I think you need to get your head out of Mel Frank's grow books. I selectively pollinated one branch, which produced approx. 75 seeds. How does that turn 61grms into 14? You're suggesting 75 seeds weigh 47grms... :confused: "

Stick to one tune, will you? First it was 7 or 14 grams on a plant. Now it's 2 oz on a six inch plant.
And I got news for you; if I needed a book, I'd write one.

"where's the advantage? Can you grow a seedless bud? Or is the herme tendency overwhelming?"

"If you were to compare LR with all the other strains on a cubic feet basis, I'm sure you'll find that there's no better use of space ever. Your entire grow operation, including potting medium, plant, lighting and fitting's can be under 20 inches tall. How Many of them could you fit in your room? I believe that amounts to 3-5 rows high, producing 1.5oz/sq.ft every 8 weeks."

That's plenty of room to grow real plants, except...
where's the light go? Are you now claiming florescents?

20 inches for the pot and plant is enough for most strians, and all strains when following the method. And I'm approaching a consistent 3oz per square foot. Breeding will push that to the desired 4.

"Lowryder's pedigree:
NL#2 (also known as Oasis or Closet Queen) was hybridized with a ruderalis-type plant. The resulting cross was mated with an original William's Wonder mother. Selections of this second cross were used for further multiplication, where the first selections of auto-flowering plants were made. These selections were then stabilized over 9 generations.
I can't reveal more about the ruderalis-type ancestor, since it really has no name, and is unknown in the global community."

there are no truly stable hybird strains with the possible exception of skunk#1. ANY breeding with ruderalis is a bad idea.

"You could even veg. them if you had envirolites and foliar cytokinens (nitrozyme/growth plus or kinetin spray), I recommend a spray of the nitrozyme at least, you will get a bigger lowryder, or you could root feed a couple of times with a high dose of liquid karma added (20-30ml/ltr), that will get you a bigger more robust lowryder."

but why bother? There's no advatage.

"From providing an easy plant to grow that requires almost no previous growing knowledge, for beginners to get started, to providing a plant that can be grown with ease at the very most northern lattitudes, to providing the fastest way of getting "bud" ever, to opening the door to a whole new world of superstealth growing..."

Anyone can grow buds. I've taught a hundred people easily. How many have you taught?

Fast but not efficent. 30% more time gives 3-4 times the yield. Calculated the cost in electricity per oz.

"There is simply no other plant near it. Bear in mind I have grown well over 150 strains of cannabis."

I'll not bother to argue credentials. This has been my life, not just a hobby. If your over 30 in north america, you've probably smoked buds I've grown

Ruderalis is a no-no. Auto flowering is as undesirable trait as there is.

"Regular plant, two months, two oz, 250 watts light, no seeds."

"What are you indicating with this? Are you saying you grow 1 plant under a 250 watt light and only produce 2 oz. You should really give it away."

That's per plant- 3 or 4 plants. 5 in a pinch. 6-10 oz.

" I am disappointed if I don't pull 2grms/watt. Grams/watt is a far better measuring stick by the way."

This does not fit your previous claims. The grower squeezes about 18 plants under 470 watts and yields 20-25 oz.

"I hate to feed the trolls, but you seem like amateurs, and you really need to reevaluate your growing methods. I will address the other troll "meangreen" and teach him the basics of breeding asap.;) "

We are well recognized as experts- you're some guy who has managed to claim three different things. Your words don't ring true.
Personally, I've been a proffesional for decades.

"P.S - thought I'd add some pictures of some proper buds. Best yield off a plant indoors 3 3/4lbs. Outdoors 6 1/2 lbs. But ya, whatever...no biggie!!!"

Yea-sure. That's why you say some 1/2 oz yielder is the best plant you've ever grown.
Just because you read a book doesn't make you an expert.
You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
Pretend experts like you are a major set-back to the cause.
Growing low yielding, weedy plants is the best way to discourage new growers.

[meangreen]

What happened to CAPTAIN AUTO-FLOWER ?Have we forsaken you?

[ThinK]

I could really care less what some lowlife on hipforums has to say... This place is full of frauds who will argue in a complete circles just to disagree with someone...

For the third, maybe fourth time...Lowryder obviously is not necassary for older growers like gecko with their own homes without any parental restrictions..There's really no need for it, but for me and many others, Lowryder fits my situation perfectly..I hardly have to take care of these plants and they basically do it all themselves. Oh and as for it being unstable, haven't had a problem yet....Not to mention I don't have to worry about odor or starting their flowering process..And ontop of that, you get a smoke even better than normal NL...Sure, yields arent great but i use this plant only as a side stash ontop of my other connections.. So once again, this plant, these genetics aren't for everyone, but just try to open your mind and see how they could be useful for someone else...

[tiedye0420]

I think lowryder could have some interesting attributes. Like maybe sow 1,000 seeds in dec, and be able to harvest and entire field of them by march would be cool. Or you could grow them year round in a window box, when the buds finish would be determined by when you plant your seeds. Kind of a novelty item though, i grew my first ruderalis hybrid in the early 80's and found it lacking in potency then. I don't believe ruderalis genes to be altogether that meritous.
I'll be sticking with the trolls i guess.
lowryder is a novelty, I find it to be an interesting one, but a novelty item all the same.

[Mr_Soul]

Any pics Gecky, mean or tie on your wonderful growing achievements??? :rolleyes:

[meangreen]

Theres a few in my gallery still I think! I am not knocking what you do just dont understand why you spend all this time breeding this rudy hybrid when you have all this out spoken knowlege and ability to produce high yielding strains when the calling for stealthy strains is so minimal?I seemed to have rubbed you wrong and it wasnt intended that way,merely opinions which we are as human beings allowed to voice and as one man to another I apologize if taken wrong.An answer to my question would be appreciated.MG(alias troll)http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[meangreen]

Save you some time,harved just under a 1 lb with 1 430 son-agro in a 3'x3' area with a 54" ceiling highth. Another question,where do you get 2 grams per watt as a benchmark when some of the most sophisticated grow rooms in the world get 1.5 per watt?
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[tiedye0420]

I came to learn about indoor growing, I have pics, but nothing special. I have a few of my own hybrids, some of the stoniest weed i have ever smoked. I might put up a pic of my current setup later. Gotta recharge the camera batteries first. L.O.L.


I normally grow outdoor, but this year came inside to learn a few new tricks.I got nothing to hide, but not much to show yet either. I still think ruderalis is a novelty hemp strain.You sure you don't work for the seedbanks ?

[Mr_Soul]

Shhhh, don't tell em I work for The Joint Doctor. I'm really just here to spam his "hempy" strain. ;)

In all seriousness, I'm done with this thread. I merely posted in here to help out Think, whom you were all bashing with your worthless drivel and vitriol.

Now that I'm aware that none of you can actually grow in anything other than closets and cabinets, and you enjoy teaching children to grow in their parent's homes...I'm out!!!

I have no agenda with this strain, and it takes up approx. 1/100th of my entire garden. I've devoted a whole 1000watt HPS lamp to it..woohoo!!!

Thus far I've found it extremely fun to grow, and I've given it little to no attention. It smokes just as good as some of the more hyped strains, and is obviously very stealthy. It is nothing like any of the Ruderalis hybrids that have thus far been introduced. It surpasses them twenty-fold. I get top dollar for Lowryder bud, so it can't be that bad!!!

I wanted my plants to grow into Lowryder cars. But that's another post!!!

Take care Think and goodluck :)

[meangreen]

Being a smart ass again,youve proven to be the dick you are.Your one lieing mother fucker who has never touched 2 grams per watt except in your dreams.Those were all nice pics of someone elses grow you posted.Good luck passing your bullshit off to others,your still a immature dick!

[tiedye0420]

Hey think
In my honest opinion i have never smoked a ruderalis cross i didnt like. I think ruderalis is cool and has a place in the growing industry. It's autoflowering traits are cool but of no use to me. I like ruderalis though, and would grow it if i had it.
I just don't get all these people trying to act like lowryder is gonna revolutionalize the grow industry, sure it has commercial applications.But the hype from the seedbanks gags me.
Please shoot me if ever i become a commercial grower, i grow for potency not commercial application. Fuck the yield, if one bonghit will last a few hours you dont need as much.

Personnaly most plants chemistry is not right until 3-6 months old, and 3 months only if it's pure indica. Any sativa in the genetics the plant will need to be 6 months old to produce properly potent clones. Unless you want that speedy crap weed like these bay area cannabis clubs have. Dude i live in central cali and never pay money for seeds, Ruderalis comes from siberia and checoslavackia yugoslavia whatever but i never heard of a mexican version. I know of a version fron the russian steppes that was imported to california in the late 70's early 80's. Id say this would probably be one of the original parentages to lowrider. Unless you want to be slave to seedbanks you will need to trace lineage.Lowryder is shrouuded in mystery as to pure parentage,so is of no use for breeding in my opinion.

I would never pay money for seeds,unless it's a landrace variety that has not been IBL'd. by seedbanks.They only want to sell you 9th generation IBL because the tenth generation breaks down, reducing potency and desired traits. Get first generation landrace for breeding. Something you'll be able to find again in ten years preferably.You'll need to renew your genetics every ten years or so.

[ThinK]

Thanks alot mr_soul.. and might I add you got some skills...Great pics man. I think that's a great idea putting the lowryder under high intensity, you really get a nice stretch out of it.
Those are some huge yields on the previous page!! damn, that's quite the setup. Those plants look very uniform =P
Enjoy all that growing freedom and happy toking =)


Oh and tiedye I hear ya man..

Peace and good luck to all

[tiedye0420]

hey good luck think! I live in a trailer park and jokingly- would love to plant some winter lowryder seed . l.o .l .My whole lawn.

No really, i was facinated with ruderalis for a time. But this was before seedbanks entered hightimes magazine- the ruderalis we had then came from russia. Things have changed so predictably since then. Clarke saw it all coming 30 years ago.

I would want my own pure landrace ruderalis, selective breed some for potency traits rather than autoflower, and cross that with some crazy heirloom indica. Gold thai or chinese indica come to mind. The creeper pheno is another cool trait some seem to overlook, that stems from ruderalis crossing. Or that's one way to get a creeper pheno anyways.
The everfamous trainwreck from cali is supposedly a creeper pheno- Ive never seen one so i can't say for sure.

The winters are so harsh in siberia- the snow so heavy, and the summers so short. Ruderalis has adapted into a vine, growing along the ground. This is what i mean by the creeper pheno. Be interesting to camoflage in someblackberry bushes.
I must add here, whatever seedbank claimed to have a mexican ruderalis is highly suspect in my book. I have heard of no ruderalis strains to originate from anywhere outside extreme northern climates. Hungary, checoslavacia, siberia. yes they have ruderalis ditch weed up there growing wild. Anything from mexico claiming to be ruderalis must have been imported from somewhere. Mexicans trying to create an early/autoflowering strain im sure.
Seedbanks stole their work and now will have no genetics to renew it.
The whole world has been genetically modified and the seedbanks make it look like the thing to do. It makes me sad. I want only hybrids me or someone i know made. Screw the seedganks.
LANDRACE RULES !!!!!!!!!!

Come on back anytime think ! we all kinda learn together around this place- Shaing knowledge is what it's all about.
Mr soul :
very professsional commercial grow there buddy. Good luck and hope you dont get greed from growing commercially. God bless you , you'll need it.
Id much rather grow in a closet ,it is a heathier thing on the ego.If i wanted money id just make speed.

[ThinK]

once again a good insightful post,tiedie. =)

i definately agree that landrace's are great, although i think some seedbanks have great genetics to offer-although sometimes price is high and service can be bad. so far me and a bunch of friends have recieved packages right on time. so no problems yet..

if you wanna check out a good landrace, look at Trainwreck or a trainwreck cross..it's some crazy shit. there was a test done and it was 27% THC. I had some about a week ago. It's ridiculous medical weed, puts you on your ass! as for growing, they are very stable genetics.. possibly the best landrace on the market today

oh and about the lowryder originating in Mexico, that's just what i've read on various seed sites and even joint doctor's site.. i was a little skeptical about that too.. eh, either way, it proves to be very stable, and that's the most important thing

anyways i got some bubble hash almost ready to go.. gonna melt that shit away =P



thanks tiedie,

peace and happy toking

[Jointman69]

ok guys ive read four pages of arguing and facts and yields and seed weights but what somebody failed to mention in it all is where the hell i can find LOWRYDER seeds for sale i would go with something bigger but im gonna grow outside and i dunno if that would be a great idea or not because the conditions need for the bud to be pretty invisible if u get me

so where can i get a lowryder for cheap? NO JOB so i have to scrounge for cash so i need seeds to be cheap---does anyone have any ideas of srains i could tr and where could i find lwryder seeds at for cheap?

[tiedye0420]

Here ya go.

For exellent genetics go with reeferman seeds.
Here i did a search for ya. 100 canadian is i think about 80 american.
emery has em too but whatever this guy makes em for emery.
http://www.originalseeds.com/seeds/jointdoctor.html

[b1v2w3]

I posted this same question under another thread. It intrigues me so to see those variants out there and would love to just call up somewhere or go onto some website for that matter and order 5 or 10 of them, right?? maybe we should ask to include availabilty info where possible.
Anyway, where I can get a few seeds of this one? does anyone know a good US based seed company?
Thanks

[tiedye0420]

There are not really any seedbanks in the US, you need to go to canada. That ig where the good genetics are, besides the previous link to thejointdoctor, you might want to chech these guys out.

I was just looking at the kodiac gold, 80 bucks for 12 seeds of that quality is great.
http://www.reefermanseeds.com/rmstrains.php